New Study proves Pundit was right

[Garry G]

So in that sense I will admit to jhkim that this is less a win for right vs left and more a win for liberty vs authoritarian beliefs.

That said, I feel what's missing from such an argument is that as others have pointed out, the right seems to be less tyrannical in its ideology than the left at the moment. Indeed I feel cancel culture's intolerance, the bigotry of the provision of benefits along racial lines, a disregard for personal responsibility and choice in addition to discrimination on the basis of vaccination decision, a proclivity towards socialism and big government, and more all point to authoritarian trends on the rise within the ranks of the swiftly radicalizing political left today.

I agree that there have been authoritarian trends rising on the left. I appreciate those on the right that are supporting free speech. Still, the original cancel culture was cancelling people who came out as LGBT just a few years ago - fired from their jobs, barred from public forums, etc. It seems like there are people who would like to return to that.

It should be possible to have a society where liberals and conservatives can both their lives, and LGBT people are free to do the same things as straight people. Conservatives shouldn't be legally required to express support or use proper pronouns, but equally, LGBT people should be able to live and work and play without being condemned as a danger to children just for existing in public. New anti-drag laws are defining things like simply wearing a dress as indecent behavior that children shouldn't see, which is ridiculous. Banning nudity or strip shows is one thing, but banning wearing a dress or makeup is completely different.

WHY do you have to lie?

Drag is fundamentally sexual, you know it as well as we do.

NOT doing your sexual show in front of children doesn't violate your rights, but you go on speaking in favor of pedos.

Oh no he isn't!

Surely men dressing as women is practically a central part of Western culture and is has been a long favourite for children?

[GeekyBugle]

So in that sense I will admit to jhkim that this is less a win for right vs left and more a win for liberty vs authoritarian beliefs.

That said, I feel what's missing from such an argument is that as others have pointed out, the right seems to be less tyrannical in its ideology than the left at the moment. Indeed I feel cancel culture's intolerance, the bigotry of the provision of benefits along racial lines, a disregard for personal responsibility and choice in addition to discrimination on the basis of vaccination decision, a proclivity towards socialism and big government, and more all point to authoritarian trends on the rise within the ranks of the swiftly radicalizing political left today.

I agree that there have been authoritarian trends rising on the left. I appreciate those on the right that are supporting free speech. Still, the original cancel culture was cancelling people who came out as LGBT just a few years ago - fired from their jobs, barred from public forums, etc. It seems like there are people who would like to return to that.

It should be possible to have a society where liberals and conservatives can both their lives, and LGBT people are free to do the same things as straight people. Conservatives shouldn't be legally required to express support or use proper pronouns, but equally, LGBT people should be able to live and work and play without being condemned as a danger to children just for existing in public. New anti-drag laws are defining things like simply wearing a dress as indecent behavior that children shouldn't see, which is ridiculous. Banning nudity or strip shows is one thing, but banning wearing a dress or makeup is completely different.

WHY do you have to lie?

Drag is fundamentally sexual, you know it as well as we do.

NOT doing your sexual show in front of children doesn't violate your rights, but you go on speaking in favor of pedos.

Oh no he isn't!

Surely men dressing as women is practically a central part of Western culture and is has been a long favourite for children?

Another fucking liar...

Do you KNOW what pantomime is and what DRAG is? Do you understand there's differences? Or you just want to push pedoapologetics?

Pantomime: People are paid to dress up
Drag: People get a hardon by dressing as women, some have found a way to monetize their kink.

One is a job the other a kink/life style.

But by all means do keep on pushing pedoapologetics.

[Mistwell]

So in that sense I will admit to jhkim that this is less a win for right vs left and more a win for liberty vs authoritarian beliefs.

That said, I feel what's missing from such an argument is that as others have pointed out, the right seems to be less tyrannical in its ideology than the left at the moment. Indeed I feel cancel culture's intolerance, the bigotry of the provision of benefits along racial lines, a disregard for personal responsibility and choice in addition to discrimination on the basis of vaccination decision, a proclivity towards socialism and big government, and more all point to authoritarian trends on the rise within the ranks of the swiftly radicalizing political left today.

I agree that there have been authoritarian trends rising on the left. I appreciate those on the right that are supporting free speech. Still, the original cancel culture was cancelling people who came out as LGBT just a few years ago - fired from their jobs, barred from public forums, etc. It seems like there are people who would like to return to that.

It should be possible to have a society where liberals and conservatives can both their lives, and LGBT people are free to do the same things as straight people. Conservatives shouldn't be legally required to express support or use proper pronouns, but equally, LGBT people should be able to live and work and play without being condemned as a danger to children just for existing in public. New anti-drag laws are defining things like simply wearing a dress as indecent behavior that children shouldn't see, which is ridiculous. Banning nudity or strip shows is one thing, but banning wearing a dress or makeup is completely different.

WHY do you have to lie?

Drag is fundamentally sexual, you know it as well as we do.

NOT doing your sexual show in front of children doesn't violate your rights, but you go on speaking in favor of pedos.

Dude, drag is not fundamentally sexual. Where have you been hanging out that you're conflating it with sex?

[SHARK]

Greetings!

I have seen Drag shows before. They are entirely very sexual. They are gross, lewd, and absolutely degenerate. Anyone attempting to convince you otherwise is GASLIGHTING you.

Do not swallow the degenerate BS. Resist it, and fight against it. Crush the degenerates that seek to promote such filth and corruption. Stay strong. my friends!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[jhkim]

It should be possible to have a society where liberals and conservatives can both their lives, and LGBT people are free to do the same things as straight people. Conservatives shouldn't be legally required to express support or use proper pronouns, but equally, LGBT people should be able to live and work and play without being condemned as a danger to children just for existing in public. New anti-drag laws are defining things like simply wearing a dress as indecent behavior that children shouldn't see, which is ridiculous. Banning nudity or strip shows is one thing, but banning wearing a dress or makeup is completely different.

Drag is fundamentally sexual, you know it as well as we do.

NOT doing your sexual show in front of children doesn't violate your rights, but you go on speaking in favor of pedos.

I have seen Drag shows before. They are entirely very sexual. They are gross, lewd, and absolutely degenerate. Anyone attempting to convince you otherwise is GASLIGHTING you.

Like fashion shows or music videos or many other entertainment forms, drag shows vary widely, from tame to explicit. There are very sexually explicit music videos, from Madonna to Peaches. But music videos and music performances aren't all the extreme, so it would be ridiculous to ban all music videos from being seen in public.

Drag shows have a long history from popular military drag shows in WWII.

From the same period, Bugs Bunny frequently appeared in drag as part of children's entertainment. Drag characters appeared in popular primetime sitcoms like M.A.S.H. and All in the Family.

Like any other show, drag shows should be classified by how sexually explicit they are, not banned simply because they are drag.

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I've been to a bunch of rock concerts, and they've been sexual and full of drinking, drugs, lewdness. But I'm not saying that all concerts should all be banned from anywhere children might see them, because it is going to vary. Our culture is full of sexuality - from girls wearing string bikinis on the beach to sex scenes on television and especially the Internet. I'd prefer there to be less overt sexuality in general. But having the government run in to ban anything sexually suggestive from public isn't the solution.

It's up to the parents whether they want to allow kids to watch Bugs Bunny or M.A.S.H. -- and at what age. Likewise for any other drag.

[Eirikrautha]

It should be possible to have a society where liberals and conservatives can both their lives, and LGBT people are free to do the same things as straight people. Conservatives shouldn't be legally required to express support or use proper pronouns, but equally, LGBT people should be able to live and work and play without being condemned as a danger to children just for existing in public. New anti-drag laws are defining things like simply wearing a dress as indecent behavior that children shouldn't see, which is ridiculous. Banning nudity or strip shows is one thing, but banning wearing a dress or makeup is completely different.

Drag is fundamentally sexual, you know it as well as we do.

NOT doing your sexual show in front of children doesn't violate your rights, but you go on speaking in favor of pedos.

I have seen Drag shows before. They are entirely very sexual. They are gross, lewd, and absolutely degenerate. Anyone attempting to convince you otherwise is GASLIGHTING you.

Like fashion shows or music videos or many other entertainment forms, drag shows vary widely, from tame to explicit. There are very sexually explicit music videos, from Madonna to Peaches. But music videos and music performances aren't all the extreme, so it would be ridiculous to ban all music videos from being seen in public.

Drag shows have a long history from popular military drag shows in WWII.

From the same period, Bugs Bunny frequently appeared in drag as part of children's entertainment. Drag characters appeared in popular primetime sitcoms like M.A.S.H. and All in the Family.

Like any other show, drag shows should be classified by how sexually explicit they are, not banned simply because they are drag.

--

I've been to a bunch of rock concerts, and they've been sexual and full of drinking, drugs, lewdness. But I'm not saying that all concerts should all be banned from anywhere children might see them, because it is going to vary. Our culture is full of sexuality - from girls wearing string bikinis on the beach to sex scenes on television and especially the Internet. I'd prefer there to be less overt sexuality in general. But having the government run in to ban anything sexually suggestive from public isn't the solution.

It's up to the parents whether they want to allow kids to watch Bugs Bunny or M.A.S.H. -- and at what age. Likewise for any other drag.

You just can't help being disingenuous, can you?

Bugs Bunny, MASH, and the other kinds of "men in drag" you referenced were MAKING FUN OF MEN IN WOMEN'S CLOTHING.  They were not "celebrating" drag; they were holding it up for ridicule.  They wanted the audience to LAUGH AT IT.  That is not the context of modern drag, and you know it.  You and that groomer Mistwell can obfuscate all you want, but drag queens reading books to children is perverse, at best.

You need to stop with your bullshit conflations.  The fact that other things are over-sexualized does not mean that drag shows are OK for kids.  We're not talking about music videos or military shows.  WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROMOTING DRAG TO KIDS. 

You guys are despicable...

[Mistwell]

Greetings!

I have seen Drag shows before. They are entirely very sexual. They are gross, lewd, and absolutely degenerate. Anyone attempting to convince you otherwise is GASLIGHTING you.

Do not swallow the degenerate BS. Resist it, and fight against it. Crush the degenerates that seek to promote such filth and corruption. Stay strong. my friends!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Dressing in drag /= cross-dressing. Much like dressing in a swimsuit /= strip show. There is nothing sexy or intended as sexual about a dude wearing a frumpy dress. It's not a show.

There are also drag shows done for comedy. No sexuality at all, they're often comedians. Those drag shows are not about sex either.

The problem with the drag show ban is it makes no distinction between drag which is intended as sexual, and drag which is not intended as sexual. We all know the guy dressed in womens clothing at a Ren Faire for a comedy play is not a sexy drag show but that guy is just as banned as the most sexual drag show under these new laws. We all know they guy in a dress at a midnight showing of Rocky Horror Picture Show throwing rice is not doing it to be sexy but he too is just as banned as the most sexual drag show. These laws are not banning sex shows - they are banning clothing regardless of sexual content.

Usually it's the progressive left who has no sense of humor and doesn't think through the logical ramifications of their advocacy. This time, it's the right. Where the F is your sense of humor and how have you not thought through all the things in our society which involve drag but not sex shows? You're literally banning all-mens-cast Shakespeare performances, despite that being the traditional form of Shakespeare going back to the 1600s! In fact you don't even need an all-mens cast since all of "Merchant of Venice," "Twelfth Night," and "As You Like It" involve a drag seen which is not about sex.

How have you found yourself as someone who thinks all drag is sex shows, when you know you've seen men in drag in your life and not found it offensive or about sex?

[Eirikrautha]

Greetings!

I have seen Drag shows before. They are entirely very sexual. They are gross, lewd, and absolutely degenerate. Anyone attempting to convince you otherwise is GASLIGHTING you.

Do not swallow the degenerate BS. Resist it, and fight against it. Crush the degenerates that seek to promote such filth and corruption. Stay strong. my friends!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Dressing in drag /= cross-dressing. Much like dressing in a swimsuit /= strip show. There is nothing sexy or intended as sexual about a dude wearing a frumpy dress. It's not a show.

There are also drag shows done for comedy. No sexuality at all, they're often comedians. Those drag shows are not about sex either.

The problem with the drag show ban is it makes no distinction between drag which is intended as sexual, and drag which is not intended as sexual. We all know the guy dressed in womens clothing at a Ren Faire for a comedy play is not a sexy drag show but that guy is just as banned as the most sexual drag show under these new laws. We all know they guy in a dress at a midnight showing of Rocky Horror Picture Show throwing rice is not doing it to be sexy but he too is just as banned as the most sexual drag show. These laws are not banning sex shows - they are banning clothing regardless of sexual content.

Usually it's the progressive left who has no sense of humor and doesn't think through the logical ramifications of their advocacy. This time, it's the right. Where the F is your sense of humor and how have you not thought through all the things in our society which involve drag but not sex shows? You're literally banning all-mens-cast Shakespeare performances, despite that being the traditional form of Shakespeare going back to the 1600s! How have you found yourself as someone who thinks all drag is sex shows, when you know you've seen men in drag in your life and not found it offensive or about sex?

The laws are banning drag shows FOR CHILDREN.  You are a liar and a poltroon...

[GamerSince77]

Just a quick Google search. Maybe organized religion is dangerous to children.

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/24/1177847312/state-probe-finds-catholic-church-in-illinois-vastly-underreported-clergy-sex-ab

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/05/us/catholic-church-abuse-baltimore.html

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/clergy-abuse-scandal-investigation/3162757/?amp=1

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/thousands-abused-by-members-portuguese-church-past-70-years-2023-02-13/

https://apnews.com/article/baltimore-archdiocese-sex-abuse-report-7d5d3af098da59a1c9313a246566638c

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/19/international-churches-of-christ-lawsuits-alleged-sexual-abuse

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12072943/Rocked-sex-abuse-scandal-biggest-Protestant-church-shed-half-million-members-year.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maryland-ends-time-limit-child-sex-abuse-lawsuits-massive-church-scandal.amp

https://www.fox4news.com/news/fox-4-investigates-14-girls-sexually-abused-by-north-texas-youth-pastor-the-red-flags-the-church-ignored.amp

https://www.kcur.org/news/2023-01-06/report-finds-catholic-church-in-kansas-covered-up-sexual-abuse-of-children-by-priests-for-decades

https://www.forbes.com/sites/anafaguy/2023/04/05/over-600-children-sexually-abused-by-baltimore-area-clergy-as-catholic-archdiocese-looked-the-other-way-report-finds/amp/

https://people.com/human-interest/hillsong-a-megachurch-exposed-recap/

https://www.salon.com/2022/05/23/southern-baptist-scandal-its-no-coincidence-that-anti-abortion-churches-protect-abusers/

https://www.ajc.com/news/credible-allegations-of-abuse-in-catholic-church-detailed-in-georgia-report/DVKD5YK4AZDYXO2SIS7TDFKIRM/

https://gokeyless.vn/hillsong-church-scandal/

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2022/05/23/5-things-to-know-about-planos-prestonwood-baptist-megachurch/?outputType=amp

[GamerSince77]

I have seen Drag shows before. They are entirely very sexual. They are gross, lewd, and absolutely degenerate. Anyone attempting to convince you otherwise is GASLIGHTING you.

You've seen drag shows? As in multiple shows?

If they were so "gross, lewd, and degenerate", why did you go back to view multiple shows?!?

Very curious behavior.

[Eirikrautha]

Just a quick Google search. Maybe organized religion is dangerous to children.

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/24/1177847312/state-probe-finds-catholic-church-in-illinois-vastly-underreported-clergy-sex-ab

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/05/us/catholic-church-abuse-baltimore.html

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/clergy-abuse-scandal-investigation/3162757/?amp=1

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/thousands-abused-by-members-portuguese-church-past-70-years-2023-02-13/

https://apnews.com/article/baltimore-archdiocese-sex-abuse-report-7d5d3af098da59a1c9313a246566638c

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/19/international-churches-of-christ-lawsuits-alleged-sexual-abuse

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12072943/Rocked-sex-abuse-scandal-biggest-Protestant-church-shed-half-million-members-year.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maryland-ends-time-limit-child-sex-abuse-lawsuits-massive-church-scandal.amp

https://www.fox4news.com/news/fox-4-investigates-14-girls-sexually-abused-by-north-texas-youth-pastor-the-red-flags-the-church-ignored.amp

https://www.kcur.org/news/2023-01-06/report-finds-catholic-church-in-kansas-covered-up-sexual-abuse-of-children-by-priests-for-decades

https://www.forbes.com/sites/anafaguy/2023/04/05/over-600-children-sexually-abused-by-baltimore-area-clergy-as-catholic-archdiocese-looked-the-other-way-report-finds/amp/

https://people.com/human-interest/hillsong-a-megachurch-exposed-recap/

https://www.salon.com/2022/05/23/southern-baptist-scandal-its-no-coincidence-that-anti-abortion-churches-protect-abusers/

https://www.ajc.com/news/credible-allegations-of-abuse-in-catholic-church-detailed-in-georgia-report/DVKD5YK4AZDYXO2SIS7TDFKIRM/

https://gokeyless.vn/hillsong-church-scandal/

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2022/05/23/5-things-to-know-about-planos-prestonwood-baptist-megachurch/?outputType=amp

And what does that have to do with drag shows for children?  Just like a groomer, trying to change the subject when his ideas are under scrutiny.  You're more dangerous to kids than all the Catholic priests in the Vatican...

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Just listen to the Liberals REEEing!!! REEE! REEE! REEE!

Stand strong! Say NO! to the weak, feminized degenerates that gather throughout our decaying, corrupt society in ever greater hordes. Let them gnash their teeth, and wail in despair!

Don't let up the pressure. Pursue them, everywhere. Run them down. Lift them up to scrutiny, so that all might see their corruption and degeneracy! RAM THE HARSH LAWS DOWN THEIR THROATS! Mercilessly oppose them, and organize against them--and anyone that supports them. Ruin them. Break them down, relentlessly. It is only through embracing such strength and discipline of the soul that our communities and our ancient and noble republic can be saved. Yes, remember the children. Children must always be protected from the degenerate animals that would plunder them and corrupt them with their endless debaucheries. VOTE properly. Call your political leaders. Write E-Mails. Never relent. Never compromise. Never surrender.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Mistwell]

Greetings!

I have seen Drag shows before. They are entirely very sexual. They are gross, lewd, and absolutely degenerate. Anyone attempting to convince you otherwise is GASLIGHTING you.

Do not swallow the degenerate BS. Resist it, and fight against it. Crush the degenerates that seek to promote such filth and corruption. Stay strong. my friends!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Dressing in drag /= cross-dressing. Much like dressing in a swimsuit /= strip show. There is nothing sexy or intended as sexual about a dude wearing a frumpy dress. It's not a show.

There are also drag shows done for comedy. No sexuality at all, they're often comedians. Those drag shows are not about sex either.

The problem with the drag show ban is it makes no distinction between drag which is intended as sexual, and drag which is not intended as sexual. We all know the guy dressed in womens clothing at a Ren Faire for a comedy play is not a sexy drag show but that guy is just as banned as the most sexual drag show under these new laws. We all know they guy in a dress at a midnight showing of Rocky Horror Picture Show throwing rice is not doing it to be sexy but he too is just as banned as the most sexual drag show. These laws are not banning sex shows - they are banning clothing regardless of sexual content.

Usually it's the progressive left who has no sense of humor and doesn't think through the logical ramifications of their advocacy. This time, it's the right. Where the F is your sense of humor and how have you not thought through all the things in our society which involve drag but not sex shows? You're literally banning all-mens-cast Shakespeare performances, despite that being the traditional form of Shakespeare going back to the 1600s! How have you found yourself as someone who thinks all drag is sex shows, when you know you've seen men in drag in your life and not found it offensive or about sex?

The laws are banning drag shows FOR CHILDREN.  You are a liar and a poltroon...

So let me see if I get this straight. You have to be an adult to see a Shakespeare performance? You have to be an adult to go to a Ren Fair? You are a liar and a poltroon...or an idiot. Take your pick.

[Mistwell]

Greetings!

Just listen to the Liberals REEEing!!! REEE! REEE! REEE!

Nobody REEing here, dumbass.

You think Ren Fairs and Shakespeare performances should be adults-only, you're a fucking idiot.

You think it doesn't apply to those things, you're a fucking idiot.

REEE away Sharky. REE away about how you didn't think about the ramifications.  This was a dumb law written by people without a sense of humor, or who lack the ability to think beyond a single stage of thinking, or both. A simplistic mind wrote this law.

[KindaMeh]

A simplistic mind wrote this law.

What passed law is even being referenced in these comments? Legit question. I have heard of stuff like a Tennessee law banning childhood consumption of adult cabaret, or adult-oriented (presumably sexualized) performances. But I have not heard of any law that bans crossdressing or men wearing makeup. (Cuz like a ton of people in theatre and the movie industry do the latter all the time, if I remember right.)

I'm all for free speech, and I'd be against a law that bans one's right to wear what they want to wear so long as they aren't walking around nude or whatnot. But in such instances as it is specifically adult oriented (heavily sexualized) content being banned from consumption by minors... that's a good thing to my mind whether it's lgbtq or whatever content or straight heteronormative content or whatnot. Because minors cannot give informed consent to sexual activity. So why should they be able to give informed consent to pornographic or erotic content consumption? Especially with live actors in-person?