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Title: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: SHARK on May 28, 2021, 12:36:43 AM
Greetings!

Tucker Carlson discusses crime statistics, and various political policies throughout the country. Tragic, disgusting, but the lunacy of the Liberal Democrats is on full display in the brief program, and is hilarious!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: oggsmash on June 02, 2021, 03:38:27 PM
  The good news is someone will tell you soon how it is not near the murder rates of the 90's (of course while leaving out the fact emergency rooms are quite a bit better at saving people now than they were in the 90's).  Some people love to get lost in the weeds about the rampant violence of the 90's, talk about how much better it is now, and forget the violence was largely quelled by that horrible and racist crime bill of the 90's.   It sort of turns into a bit of a mess.  I guess if we hit 25k murders this year maybe it will become a problem again.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: HappyDaze on June 02, 2021, 03:42:58 PM
I guess if we hit 25k murders this year maybe it will become a problem again.
The "problem" is that, for way too many, it is not about how many people get murdered, it's about which people get murdered.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 02, 2021, 03:56:20 PM
The left seems oddly reticent about the second cyberattack (this one against our meat-production industry), especially as it may have originated from Russia like the first one did.

What happened to 'OMG Russians, evil Russians, and DRUMPH is in bed with them'?

I mean, I guess Pedo Joe and Heels-Up Harris have more important things to worry about, like ice cream, or how to dodge responsibility on the border crisis. But you'd think they'd say something.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: oggsmash on June 02, 2021, 04:25:06 PM
I guess if we hit 25k murders this year maybe it will become a problem again.
The "problem" is that, for way too many, it is not about how many people get murdered, it's about which people get murdered.
  That is because it only matters if certain people die if a white cop has some sort of contact with them before they expired.  Otherwise, it sure seems some city leaders like to keep saying they are "working through the problems" as literal scores of people are shot every week in their city.  Or maybe even in a few minutes.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: SHARK on June 02, 2021, 05:03:37 PM
I guess if we hit 25k murders this year maybe it will become a problem again.
The "problem" is that, for way too many, it is not about how many people get murdered, it's about which people get murdered.
  That is because it only matters if certain people die if a white cop has some sort of contact with them before they expired.  Otherwise, it sure seems some city leaders like to keep saying they are "working through the problems" as literal scores of people are shot every week in their city.  Or maybe even in a few minutes.

Greetings!

Totally, OGG! You can easily have two dozen black people killed in someplace like Chicago--in one weekend--killed by other blacks, and there's hardly a word about it. It barely makes the news, and is quickly dismissed with some mindless farting by a police official or city bureaucrat.

One black criminal killed somewhere by a white officer, and it's front-page news, and also starts a huge riot and burning and looting, and endless calls for police reforms, changing laws, and well, fuck it, lets let all the criminals out of prison while we're at it.

It is all anti-white racism aimed at spreading corruption, division, and a cascading series of "crisis" which conveniently provides the political leaders and a trainload of racist fucking demagogues and grifters with more money, and more power.

It's a kind of revolution--a "Colour Revolution".

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: HappyDaze on June 02, 2021, 05:28:50 PM
I guess if we hit 25k murders this year maybe it will become a problem again.
The "problem" is that, for way too many, it is not about how many people get murdered, it's about which people get murdered.
  That is because it only matters if certain people die if a white cop has some sort of contact with them before they expired.  Otherwise, it sure seems some city leaders like to keep saying they are "working through the problems" as literal scores of people are shot every week in their city.  Or maybe even in a few minutes.
And that's two sides of the same problem. People getting killed should matter regardless of how they died.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: oggsmash on June 03, 2021, 09:02:31 AM
I guess if we hit 25k murders this year maybe it will become a problem again.
The "problem" is that, for way too many, it is not about how many people get murdered, it's about which people get murdered.
  That is because it only matters if certain people die if a white cop has some sort of contact with them before they expired.  Otherwise, it sure seems some city leaders like to keep saying they are "working through the problems" as literal scores of people are shot every week in their city.  Or maybe even in a few minutes.
And that's two sides of the same problem. People getting killed should matter regardless of how they died.

   Disagree, making sure everyone realizes that White Supremacy is killing all these people and White Supremacists are the ones that are public threat number 1 (which looking at crime stats will show anyone with a brain) is the message everyone needs to understand.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on June 06, 2021, 11:28:46 PM

Tucker Carlson discusses crime statistics,

It’s been a truly frightening few months.
To think this is likely just beginning...
Evictions and homelessness likely to skyrocket by early 2022.
Stimulus checks only barely helped people get by.
I don’t get why instead of us paying to build highways in other countries we don’t give each American family $5k. It’s painful to see our tax dollars going to waste when they can be better spent at home.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: Pat on June 06, 2021, 11:49:18 PM

Stimulus checks only barely helped people get by.

How did you come to this conclusion? Since people haven't been spending as much, the saving rate has really gone up. Everything I've seen suggests most people just put their stimulus checks in the bank. And for a lot of people on the margins, it wasn't enough. Even with the money, they can't make rent or mortgage payments, are building up huge debt, are struggling with long term joblessness, or otherwise fell into the cracks. Sure, the handouts probably hit the sweet spot for a few people, but it seems to be a tiny number.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on June 07, 2021, 12:07:20 AM
How did you come to this conclusion? Since people haven't been spending as much, the saving rate has really gone up. Everything I've seen suggests most people just put their stimulus checks in the bank. And for a lot of people on the margins, it wasn't enough. Even with the money, they can't make rent or mortgage payments, are building up huge debt, are struggling with long term joblessness, or otherwise fell into the cracks. Sure, the handouts probably hit the sweet spot for a few people, but it seems to be a tiny number.

Those who could afford to save, done so because they knew the worst was yet to come.
Inflation, job insecurity, plus average life necessities. When I say give $5k, I mean to working American families. E.g For a family of 4 with 2 children $5k will only last a month or two if daddy was laid off, etc. Covid-19 was a national emergency, with real implications for small businesses. And big corp could careless how laying people off affect their quality of life. There’s nobody “saving” for real, once inflation skyrockets that money has a lot less value.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: Pat on June 07, 2021, 12:24:07 AM
There’s nobody “saving” for real, once inflation skyrockets that money has a lot less value.
If the government wasn't printing all that money to go on a spending spree, inflation wouldn't skyrocket.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on June 07, 2021, 12:28:57 AM
There’s nobody “saving” for real, once inflation skyrockets that money has a lot less value.
If the government wasn't printing all that money to go on a spending spree, inflation wouldn't skyrocket.

Unfortunately from what I see on the news only 10% of the last covid bill was actual relief. Since trillions is the new norm expect long term inflation ahead, lots of it.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: KingCheops on June 07, 2021, 10:46:58 AM

Tucker Carlson discusses crime statistics,

It’s been a truly frightening few months.
To think this is likely just beginning...
Evictions and homelessness likely to skyrocket by early 2022.
Stimulus checks only barely helped people get by.
I don’t get why instead of us paying to build highways in other countries we don’t give each American family $5k. It’s painful to see our tax dollars going to waste when they can be better spent at home.

Wait are you saying that trans and gender studies in Pakistan are a waste of money?  You transphobe!
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: Pat on June 07, 2021, 11:20:28 AM
AOC tried to use the damage to her grandmother's house from Hurricane Maria to make a political point. In response, people raised more than $100,000 to help her grandmother. Heart-warming story, yes?

No, of course not. It's a vicious attack. A righteous AOC canceled the fund raising drive, depriving her grandmother of more than a hundred thousand dollars in aid, because the donors were conservatives.

A lot of the media is taking the same tack:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/blogger-aoc-puerto-rico-grandmother-b1860097.html

I think it's wonderful we live in a world where charity and helping the elderly has finally been recognized as vicious, despotic behavior that simply cannot be tolerated.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: Snowman0147 on June 07, 2021, 07:37:09 PM
Wait are you saying that trans and gender studies in Pakistan are a waste of money?  You transphobe!

Only for the study to see the velocity and speed of those dropped gay bodies...  Oh and clean up after the fall.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 08, 2021, 08:31:03 AM
Not sure where to drop this.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/06/07/worldcon-apologizes-and-pays-the-piper-in-settlement-with-jon-del-arroz/

del Arroz won his lawsuit against Worldcon. While the settlement was fairly small ($4000), he did wring a public apology out of them.

This also sets yet another precedent about running your mouth to the level of defamation and tort.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on June 08, 2021, 09:33:19 AM
Not sure where to drop this.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/06/07/worldcon-apologizes-and-pays-the-piper-in-settlement-with-jon-del-arroz/

del Arroz won his lawsuit against Worldcon. While the settlement was fairly small ($4000), he did wring a public apology out of them.

This also sets yet another precedent about running your mouth to the level of defamation and tort.

Good for him, I skipped GenCon out of concerns for my own safety few years back. And most likely will never attend one without personal security guards. Most of the nonsense garbage stopped after I started throwing libel warnings, only one or two dedicated trolls still persisting, hopefully I don’t have to pursue the litigation route since I doubt they could afford what del Arroz was paid. I’d be asking for a lot more, he should have too.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: Pat on June 08, 2021, 09:36:22 AM
Not sure where to drop this.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/06/07/worldcon-apologizes-and-pays-the-piper-in-settlement-with-jon-del-arroz/

del Arroz won his lawsuit against Worldcon. While the settlement was fairly small ($4000), he did wring a public apology out of them.

This also sets yet another precedent about running your mouth to the level of defamation and tort.
Did that even start to cover his legal fees? Also, the "apology" isn't much of an apology.
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Roche [Chair of WorldCon 76 in San Jose] wrote, “SFSFC acknowledges the importance of reputation, especially for a relatively new author, and regrets that its public statement about barring his attendance might have led people unfamiliar with Mr. Del Arroz and his work to infer that he is or was a racist.”

He continued, “For that, SFSFC apologizes. This attendance ban was specific to the Worldcon 76 events produced by SFSFC, and Mr. Del Arroz has the same opportunity as other members of the public to register for future SFSFC events.”

“Worldcon 76 does not tolerate discrimination in any form — including through cosplay — based on but not limited to gender, race, ethnicity, religion, age, sexual orientation, gender identity, or physical/mental health conditions,” Roche added.
On their culpability, the "might have led people... to infer", is a variation on "I didn't do anything wrong but I'm sorry if other people misread what I said". They're apologizing for other people, not for what they did. That's very weasely.

But the worst part is they follow the "apology" for accusing someone of being a racist with a claim that they don't support bigotry in any form. If the part immediately preceding that said "we were bigots, sorry", the subsequent statement on bigotry would clearly be a reference to their own actions. They would be apologizing, and reinforcing that what they did was wrong.

But they didn't. They weren't accused of being bigots, they accused del Arroz of being a bigot. And in their "apology", they never just came out and said del Arroz wasn't a bigot. Instead, they said they were sorry other people might have interpreted their words that way. The only person being accused was del Arroz, and WorldCon never directly refuted the accusation. So following that with a general statement against bigotry sounds like a soft way of saying "yep, we still think he's a bigot".
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: FelixGamingX1 on June 08, 2021, 09:47:13 AM
Not sure where to drop this.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/06/07/worldcon-apologizes-and-pays-the-piper-in-settlement-with-jon-del-arroz/

del Arroz won his lawsuit against Worldcon. While the settlement was fairly small ($4000), he did wring a public apology out of them.

This also sets yet another precedent about running your mouth to the level of defamation and tort.
Did that even start to cover his legal fees? Also, the "apology" isn't much of an apology.

He either didn’t have an attorney or his attorney didn’t think the evidence would equal to higher amounts. If there were travel and filing expenses, and obvious attorney fees, he probably got half out of it. The public apology has its own value though, imo.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: Pat on June 08, 2021, 09:51:55 AM
Not sure where to drop this.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/06/07/worldcon-apologizes-and-pays-the-piper-in-settlement-with-jon-del-arroz/

del Arroz won his lawsuit against Worldcon. While the settlement was fairly small ($4000), he did wring a public apology out of them.

This also sets yet another precedent about running your mouth to the level of defamation and tort.
Did that even start to cover his legal fees? Also, the "apology" isn't much of an apology.

He either didn’t have an attorney or his attorney didn’t think the evidence would equal to higher amounts. If there were travel and filing expenses, and obvious attorney fees, he probably got half out of it. The public apology has its own value though, imo.
The article specifically mentions that del Arroz was contacted by an attorney, Peter Bradley, who brought it court.

And as I pointed out, the apology isn't an apology. But in a more general sense, you're correct that the verdict and the perception of the verdict does have some value. Even if the words of their apology are weaselly, the verdict was against them, and most people's takeaway from what happened will be that the court found they were wrong.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on June 12, 2021, 03:33:30 AM
Let’s be careful not to let our blindspots consume our vision. Liberals do not hold a monopoly on stupidity and immorality.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: oggsmash on June 12, 2021, 06:58:50 AM
Let’s be careful not to let our blindspots consume our vision. Liberals do not hold a monopoly on stupidity and immorality.

   I dont know that liberal is the right word for the leftists that are controlling policies right now.  I would say those particular leftists are certainly not holding a monopoly, but it sure is hell is not from a lack of effort.  Those people have no morals and no principles, which political conservatives really do not either.   I just a prefer a "leave everyone alone" feckless stance regarding lack of principles and morality to "everyone must comply" constant barrage through soft and what is looking harder and harder means to force compliance. 
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: Pat on June 12, 2021, 10:39:42 AM
Let’s be careful not to let our blindspots consume our vision. Liberals do not hold a monopoly on stupidity and immorality.

   I dont know that liberal is the right word for the leftists that are controlling policies right now.  I would say those particular leftists are certainly not holding a monopoly, but it sure is hell is not from a lack of effort.  Those people have no morals and no principles, which political conservatives really do not either.   I just a prefer a "leave everyone alone" feckless stance regarding lack of principles and morality to "everyone must comply" constant barrage through soft and what is looking harder and harder means to force compliance.
Even the "liberals" of 40 years ago weren't liberals, they were liberals blended with big government progressives, a la the two Roosevelts. Though there does seem to be a sharp divide between even those liberals and the modern extreme left, which rejects even the last surviving tenets of liberalism for collectivism and victimhood.

True liberalism is about liberty. Limited government, capitalism, (negative) individual rights, and personal responsibility. Locke, Mill, and the Founding Fathers.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: oggsmash on June 12, 2021, 01:35:16 PM
  The latest thing "critical race theory", which should just be called "Hate Whitey" to get right to the point and stop attempting to hide something with a pretentious name, is sure looking like borderline evil.   Hell maybe that shit works and you can convince the majority of the country to bow to whatever made up bullshit you want to attempt to hang around their necks.  It could also force people into a corner where they decide if someone has to go, maybe they can make these fucktards go instead of willingly taking much more of this bullshit.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: Trond on June 13, 2021, 09:38:23 AM
  The latest thing "critical race theory", which should just be called "Hate Whitey" to get right to the point and stop attempting to hide something with a pretentious name, is sure looking like borderline evil.   Hell maybe that shit works and you can convince the majority of the country to bow to whatever made up bullshit you want to attempt to hang around their necks.  It could also force people into a corner where they decide if someone has to go, maybe they can make these fucktards go instead of willingly taking much more of this bullshit.

"Diversity" has also changed from actual diversity to "not straight white men".
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on June 13, 2021, 12:55:19 PM
The woke oppose voter ID laws because it’s inordinately difficult for some people to get photo IDs.

Why not make it easier to get photo IDs? Like, idk, free photo IDs for all American citizens?

Or, idk, use social media as a valid ID? We already put so much personal information there that it’s an easy way to identify someone who uses it regularly. If the problem is that it’s privately owned, then the government should setup an online database of its citizens to use for ID purposes.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: Trond on June 13, 2021, 03:52:49 PM
The woke oppose voter ID laws because it’s inordinately difficult for some people to get photo IDs.

Why not make it easier to get photo IDs? Like, idk, free photo IDs for all American citizens?

.....
Sure, although it isn't difficult. My wife and I are immigrants (of two different countries and skin colors) and we got our IDs within a couple of days. I wouldn't be surprised if you do find that certain sub-populations have more people without ID, but that's because of apathy, not white discrimination.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: Shasarak on June 13, 2021, 05:20:18 PM
The woke oppose voter ID laws because it’s inordinately difficult for some people to get photo IDs.

Did they ever find someone who could not get a photo ID?

I know they were looking for one of these mythical unicorns that everyone is worried about.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: HappyDaze on June 13, 2021, 08:11:27 PM
The woke oppose voter ID laws because it’s inordinately difficult for some people to get photo IDs.

Did they ever find someone who could not get a photo ID?

I know they were looking for one of these mythical unicorns that everyone is worried about.
Well, they found a few...then they took pictures of them and wrote in their names...
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on June 13, 2021, 09:14:36 PM
The woke oppose voter ID laws because it’s inordinately difficult for some people to get photo IDs.

Did they ever find someone who could not get a photo ID?

I know they were looking for one of these mythical unicorns that everyone is worried about.
It turns out that the battle over the laws actually cancels out their effect. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/21/18230009/voter-id-laws-fraud-turnout-study-research

So we don’t have reliable statistics either way. We have no evidence voter ID laws have any effect on anything. They don’t decrease turnout and they don’t decrease fraud either.

It’s just a pointless battle between evil powerhungry vampires—sorry, I mean politicians.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: horsesoldier on June 14, 2021, 08:53:20 AM
So we should be like everyone else when it comes to socialized healthcare, but not like everyone else when it comes to having ID for voting.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: HappyDaze on June 14, 2021, 09:23:10 AM
So we should be like everyone else when it comes to socialized healthcare, but not like everyone else when it comes to having ID for voting.
What if we combine those and make the ID work for both voting and accessing the socialized healthcare?
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: horsesoldier on June 14, 2021, 10:39:55 AM
Assuming the ID follows the requirements that a drivers license or a passport does, sure, whatever. These people who supposedly cannot get an ID are going to be on some form of socialized healthcare anyway.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: SHARK on June 14, 2021, 10:46:24 AM
Greetings!

All of the Democrats constantly sobbing about people--especially minorities--all of whom are American citizens, getting official forms of ID's in which to prove their identity, is so tiresome and pathetic. No one's voting rights are being "infringed" or otherwise restricted. I have had an official form of ID since I was 16 years old in fucking high school. Since becoming an adult, I have voted in every major election, and on each such occasion, presented my ID to the appropriate election officials before proceeding to vote. If some moron fucking people cannot be bothered to get their shit together to have a fucking ID--generally essential for being a functioning adult in American society--then honestly, these people are too fucking retarded to vote. they have far more serious problems facing them immediately, on a daily basis--get their fucking ID so that they can function as an adult citizen at a minimal level.

The fucking Democrats crying about ID's and such BS can choke. Fucking corrupt pussies.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: Ghostmaker on June 17, 2021, 08:55:36 AM
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1405217452879925251?s=20

'Pretty please, Mr. Putin, don't let your pet Russian hackers hit these critical areas.'

Jesus Christ. Fine, people didn't like Trump, but running interference for Zhou Bai-Den is just stupid.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: KingCheops on June 17, 2021, 10:29:19 AM
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1405217452879925251?s=20

'Pretty please, Mr. Putin, don't let your pet Russian hackers hit these critical areas.'

Jesus Christ. Fine, people didn't like Trump, but running interference for Zhou Bai-Den is just stupid.

Hey pal!  Thanks for the list of targets!  You just saved us a bunch of tedious planning meetings.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: Pat on June 17, 2021, 12:02:00 PM
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1405217452879925251?s=20

'Pretty please, Mr. Putin, don't let your pet Russian hackers hit these critical areas.'

Jesus Christ. Fine, people didn't like Trump, but running interference for Zhou Bai-Den is just stupid.
That makes no sense. "Not in the face, not in the face!" isn't a position of power.

I could see a gentleman's agreement forming, where both sides tacitly agree that certain things are off limits. But that requires both sides to be hurt. US hackers taking out Moscow's grid in retaliation, for instance, and then the two leaders work out a deal to prevent that from happening again. But there have been no real consequences for Russia, and Putin still has plausible deniability. So Biden is trying to sound like a tough guy while begging for a favor. That's just off.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: oggsmash on June 18, 2021, 10:12:19 AM
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1405217452879925251?s=20

'Pretty please, Mr. Putin, don't let your pet Russian hackers hit these critical areas.'

Jesus Christ. Fine, people didn't like Trump, but running interference for Zhou Bai-Den is just stupid.
That makes no sense. "Not in the face, not in the face!" isn't a position of power.

I could see a gentleman's agreement forming, where both sides tacitly agree that certain things are off limits. But that requires both sides to be hurt. US hackers taking out Moscow's grid in retaliation, for instance, and then the two leaders work out a deal to prevent that from happening again. But there have been no real consequences for Russia, and Putin still has plausible deniability. So Biden is trying to sound like a tough guy while begging for a favor. That's just off.

  Reality is Russia did not do any of the hacks on our infrastructure.  1's and 0's are not that hard a skill to come by, and tracking down a hack is not very easy to do.  The reality, no American wants to face, is some gang of goofs from anywhere could take down a whole lot of the USA or many other nations infrastructures.   It looks to me like trying to find a "visible" bad guy, same as when Osama was hiding, Saddam made a very  convenient target for a nation's ire.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: Pat on June 18, 2021, 11:30:50 AM
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1405217452879925251?s=20

'Pretty please, Mr. Putin, don't let your pet Russian hackers hit these critical areas.'

Jesus Christ. Fine, people didn't like Trump, but running interference for Zhou Bai-Den is just stupid.
That makes no sense. "Not in the face, not in the face!" isn't a position of power.

I could see a gentleman's agreement forming, where both sides tacitly agree that certain things are off limits. But that requires both sides to be hurt. US hackers taking out Moscow's grid in retaliation, for instance, and then the two leaders work out a deal to prevent that from happening again. But there have been no real consequences for Russia, and Putin still has plausible deniability. So Biden is trying to sound like a tough guy while begging for a favor. That's just off.

  Reality is Russia did not do any of the hacks on our infrastructure.  1's and 0's are not that hard a skill to come by, and tracking down a hack is not very easy to do.  The reality, no American wants to face, is some gang of goofs from anywhere could take down a whole lot of the USA or many other nations infrastructures.   It looks to me like trying to find a "visible" bad guy, same as when Osama was hiding, Saddam made a very  convenient target for a nation's ire.
You're right, blaming Russia has become political gold. And since official sources have lost almost all credibility, their statements need to be taken with a hard Chicago's winter worth of salt. But it's also true that Russia would love to be able to mess with the US with impunity like that, so they definitely have a motive, and as you noted the investment needed to become 133t haxx0rs is much smaller than something like sending a fleet to the newly opened Arctic. So saying Russia didn't do it is too strong. The truth is we don't know.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: oggsmash on June 18, 2021, 01:00:16 PM
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1405217452879925251?s=20

'Pretty please, Mr. Putin, don't let your pet Russian hackers hit these critical areas.'

Jesus Christ. Fine, people didn't like Trump, but running interference for Zhou Bai-Den is just stupid.
That makes no sense. "Not in the face, not in the face!" isn't a position of power.

I could see a gentleman's agreement forming, where both sides tacitly agree that certain things are off limits. But that requires both sides to be hurt. US hackers taking out Moscow's grid in retaliation, for instance, and then the two leaders work out a deal to prevent that from happening again. But there have been no real consequences for Russia, and Putin still has plausible deniability. So Biden is trying to sound like a tough guy while begging for a favor. That's just off.

  Reality is Russia did not do any of the hacks on our infrastructure.  1's and 0's are not that hard a skill to come by, and tracking down a hack is not very easy to do.  The reality, no American wants to face, is some gang of goofs from anywhere could take down a whole lot of the USA or many other nations infrastructures.   It looks to me like trying to find a "visible" bad guy, same as when Osama was hiding, Saddam made a very  convenient target for a nation's ire.
You're right, blaming Russia has become political gold. And since official sources have lost almost all credibility, their statements need to be taken with a hard Chicago's winter worth of salt. But it's also true that Russia would love to be able to mess with the US with impunity like that, so they definitely have a motive, and as you noted the investment needed to become 133t haxx0rs is much smaller than something like sending a fleet to the newly opened Arctic. So saying Russia didn't do it is too strong. The truth is we don't know.

   With absolutely zero evidence I am going to go with strong then.  Because we have absolutely zero evidence.

  I agree Putin likes to see the USA writhing, but the fact is, he doesnt need to do shit to see that.  The Dragon has already been poisoned.  No need to risk yourself stabbing it as it thrashes, just let it die is his likely strategy IMO.   But I guess if the USA goes full on woke, the new big enemy will be Russia, because they are Christian/White/fascist.
Title: Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
Post by: Zelen on June 19, 2021, 11:46:15 AM
At least when it comes to the Colonial "hack" the official story isn't just bunk, it's insultingly fake bunk. A state-funded group of hackers would never use a public exchange for storing their crypto. This wouldn't just be a rookie mistake, even I, a person who doesn't own any crypto, knows that money in an exchange isn't under your direct control.

So what's the real story, and why is the FBI lying about it?