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Author Topic: More Liberal Lunacy!  (Read 772 times)

Snowman0147

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Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2021, 07:37:09 PM »
Wait are you saying that trans and gender studies in Pakistan are a waste of money?  You transphobe!

Only for the study to see the velocity and speed of those dropped gay bodies...  Oh and clean up after the fall.

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Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2021, 08:31:03 AM »
Not sure where to drop this.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/06/07/worldcon-apologizes-and-pays-the-piper-in-settlement-with-jon-del-arroz/

del Arroz won his lawsuit against Worldcon. While the settlement was fairly small ($4000), he did wring a public apology out of them.

This also sets yet another precedent about running your mouth to the level of defamation and tort.

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Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2021, 09:33:19 AM »
Not sure where to drop this.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/06/07/worldcon-apologizes-and-pays-the-piper-in-settlement-with-jon-del-arroz/

del Arroz won his lawsuit against Worldcon. While the settlement was fairly small ($4000), he did wring a public apology out of them.

This also sets yet another precedent about running your mouth to the level of defamation and tort.

Good for him, I skipped GenCon out of concerns for my own safety few years back. And most likely will never attend one without personal security guards. Most of the nonsense garbage stopped after I started throwing libel warnings, only one or two dedicated trolls still persisting, hopefully I don’t have to pursue the litigation route since I doubt they could afford what del Arroz was paid. I’d be asking for a lot more, he should have too.
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Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2021, 09:36:22 AM »
Not sure where to drop this.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/06/07/worldcon-apologizes-and-pays-the-piper-in-settlement-with-jon-del-arroz/

del Arroz won his lawsuit against Worldcon. While the settlement was fairly small ($4000), he did wring a public apology out of them.

This also sets yet another precedent about running your mouth to the level of defamation and tort.
Did that even start to cover his legal fees? Also, the "apology" isn't much of an apology.
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Roche [Chair of WorldCon 76 in San Jose] wrote, “SFSFC acknowledges the importance of reputation, especially for a relatively new author, and regrets that its public statement about barring his attendance might have led people unfamiliar with Mr. Del Arroz and his work to infer that he is or was a racist.”

He continued, “For that, SFSFC apologizes. This attendance ban was specific to the Worldcon 76 events produced by SFSFC, and Mr. Del Arroz has the same opportunity as other members of the public to register for future SFSFC events.”

“Worldcon 76 does not tolerate discrimination in any form — including through cosplay — based on but not limited to gender, race, ethnicity, religion, age, sexual orientation, gender identity, or physical/mental health conditions,” Roche added.
On their culpability, the "might have led people... to infer", is a variation on "I didn't do anything wrong but I'm sorry if other people misread what I said". They're apologizing for other people, not for what they did. That's very weasely.

But the worst part is they follow the "apology" for accusing someone of being a racist with a claim that they don't support bigotry in any form. If the part immediately preceding that said "we were bigots, sorry", the subsequent statement on bigotry would clearly be a reference to their own actions. They would be apologizing, and reinforcing that what they did was wrong.

But they didn't. They weren't accused of being bigots, they accused del Arroz of being a bigot. And in their "apology", they never just came out and said del Arroz wasn't a bigot. Instead, they said they were sorry other people might have interpreted their words that way. The only person being accused was del Arroz, and WorldCon never directly refuted the accusation. So following that with a general statement against bigotry sounds like a soft way of saying "yep, we still think he's a bigot".
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Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2021, 09:47:13 AM »
Not sure where to drop this.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/06/07/worldcon-apologizes-and-pays-the-piper-in-settlement-with-jon-del-arroz/

del Arroz won his lawsuit against Worldcon. While the settlement was fairly small ($4000), he did wring a public apology out of them.

This also sets yet another precedent about running your mouth to the level of defamation and tort.
Did that even start to cover his legal fees? Also, the "apology" isn't much of an apology.

He either didn’t have an attorney or his attorney didn’t think the evidence would equal to higher amounts. If there were travel and filing expenses, and obvious attorney fees, he probably got half out of it. The public apology has its own value though, imo.
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Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2021, 09:51:55 AM »
Not sure where to drop this.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/06/07/worldcon-apologizes-and-pays-the-piper-in-settlement-with-jon-del-arroz/

del Arroz won his lawsuit against Worldcon. While the settlement was fairly small ($4000), he did wring a public apology out of them.

This also sets yet another precedent about running your mouth to the level of defamation and tort.
Did that even start to cover his legal fees? Also, the "apology" isn't much of an apology.

He either didn’t have an attorney or his attorney didn’t think the evidence would equal to higher amounts. If there were travel and filing expenses, and obvious attorney fees, he probably got half out of it. The public apology has its own value though, imo.
The article specifically mentions that del Arroz was contacted by an attorney, Peter Bradley, who brought it court.

And as I pointed out, the apology isn't an apology. But in a more general sense, you're correct that the verdict and the perception of the verdict does have some value. Even if the words of their apology are weaselly, the verdict was against them, and most people's takeaway from what happened will be that the court found they were wrong.

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Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2021, 03:33:30 AM »
Let’s be careful not to let our blindspots consume our vision. Liberals do not hold a monopoly on stupidity and immorality.

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Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2021, 06:58:50 AM »
Let’s be careful not to let our blindspots consume our vision. Liberals do not hold a monopoly on stupidity and immorality.

   I dont know that liberal is the right word for the leftists that are controlling policies right now.  I would say those particular leftists are certainly not holding a monopoly, but it sure is hell is not from a lack of effort.  Those people have no morals and no principles, which political conservatives really do not either.   I just a prefer a "leave everyone alone" feckless stance regarding lack of principles and morality to "everyone must comply" constant barrage through soft and what is looking harder and harder means to force compliance. 

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Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2021, 10:39:42 AM »
Let’s be careful not to let our blindspots consume our vision. Liberals do not hold a monopoly on stupidity and immorality.

   I dont know that liberal is the right word for the leftists that are controlling policies right now.  I would say those particular leftists are certainly not holding a monopoly, but it sure is hell is not from a lack of effort.  Those people have no morals and no principles, which political conservatives really do not either.   I just a prefer a "leave everyone alone" feckless stance regarding lack of principles and morality to "everyone must comply" constant barrage through soft and what is looking harder and harder means to force compliance.
Even the "liberals" of 40 years ago weren't liberals, they were liberals blended with big government progressives, a la the two Roosevelts. Though there does seem to be a sharp divide between even those liberals and the modern extreme left, which rejects even the last surviving tenets of liberalism for collectivism and victimhood.

True liberalism is about liberty. Limited government, capitalism, (negative) individual rights, and personal responsibility. Locke, Mill, and the Founding Fathers.

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Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2021, 01:35:16 PM »
  The latest thing "critical race theory", which should just be called "Hate Whitey" to get right to the point and stop attempting to hide something with a pretentious name, is sure looking like borderline evil.   Hell maybe that shit works and you can convince the majority of the country to bow to whatever made up bullshit you want to attempt to hang around their necks.  It could also force people into a corner where they decide if someone has to go, maybe they can make these fucktards go instead of willingly taking much more of this bullshit.

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Re: More Liberal Lunacy!
« Reply #25 on: Today at 09:38:23 AM »
  The latest thing "critical race theory", which should just be called "Hate Whitey" to get right to the point and stop attempting to hide something with a pretentious name, is sure looking like borderline evil.   Hell maybe that shit works and you can convince the majority of the country to bow to whatever made up bullshit you want to attempt to hang around their necks.  It could also force people into a corner where they decide if someone has to go, maybe they can make these fucktards go instead of willingly taking much more of this bullshit.

"Diversity" has also changed from actual diversity to "not straight white men".