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Author Topic: "MARVEL HAS PLANS TO INTRODUCE OPENLY LGBTQA+ CHARACTERS TO THE MCU" - Joblo.com  (Read 3159 times)

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This is precisely because Marvel has had inconsistent Editors in Chief. The Golden Era of Marvel which reaches its zenith in the mid-late 80's - most of those storylines and what people consider in terms of what these characters solidified into came under the hand of Jim Shooter. A lot of people thought Shooter was a total tyrant. I maintain that Shooter is one of the most influential, and best EiC's comics has ever had. Shooter wanted all writers to understand and stay within certain confines on each character. He maintained a strong and steady hand guiding the stories, which naturally made him a lot of enemies.

If you're interested in the details of that era, check this out.

http://rsmwriter.blogspot.com/2016/06/jim-shooter-second-opinion.html

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Yeah, there has been a long-standing discussion about comics in the still-active thread "Marvel Comics something something, prompted by a bunch of people who have never read a Black Panther comic in decades mouthing off about how awful the current run is, despite never having read it.

Basically, I judge comics by reading comics - not by YouTube videos or GIFs.

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After seeing Black Panther, I have no idea what ideology they wanted to promote. The "villain" wanted to save all Africans worldwide and flip the social order. Black Panther teamed up with a honky to make sure that didn't happen.  And Wonder Woman showed us the mighty island of Amazons couldn't handle a few boatloads of sailors without an American dude showing the girls what's what.

The movies are SJWing wrong.

EDIT: and if the Force was female, then Mary Sue Rey wouldn't have needed Darth Crybaby to save her from Snoke or Grandpa Luke to save Leia and the last rebels nobody in the galaxy wanted to assist.
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Yeah, there has been a long-standing discussion about comics in the still-active thread "Marvel Comics something something, prompted by a bunch of people who have never read a Black Panther comic in decades mouthing off about how awful the current run is, despite never having read it.

Basically, I judge comics by reading comics - not by YouTube videos or GIFs.

Unfortunately, I'm one of those people that has read them and I find them to be propagandist dogshit.

The connection here is "how much of this dogshit are they going to use to inform their injection of such topics into the MCU?"

I'm certainly not saying you can't cover those topics. I'm saying that if they use them as they have in Marvel's comics they will kill the MCU. The MCU works because they're using established storylines and characters. The LGBT "issues" aren't working in the Comics because they inserted them into those established characters by doing the exact same thing they did in Star Wars.

Let's replace and deconstruct these established heroes and put these caricatures in their place!

Viola! Diversity!



White Male Patriarchy!!!! WHaRGARBLE!

The Black Panther movie was a mixed bag for me. ***Spoilers ahead****

I love the actors portrayal of their various characters (except T'challas little sister who reminded me of Riri Williams's ironheart) but there were some glaring plotholes that threw me out of the movie. The assumptions they make about Wakanda itself I found laughable - as it is not really like the classical Wakanda of the comics. Namely they weren't hiding from anyone. You simply weren't allowed there or you'd die (which is VERY ironic given today's political situation where everyone is screaming about identity-politics and stuff, and here you go an African ethnostate that enforces the death penalty on anyone not of their nation or bloodlines without permission.) And the movie did have this - but they made it a lot more passive/aggressive - which okay I'm fine with that. What really threw me out was the motivation of Killmonger. Dumbest idea ever. A bunch of vibranium spear-wielding terrorists are going to take over the world and make Wakanda top nation on the planet? Unless they expect everyone watching to not have seen any other MCU movies, this was the dumbest idea ever.

The bigotted comments from his little sister didn't help either. My surprisingly interest came from the guy playing Man-Ape! He was cool and I wish he got more screen time. Nice twist to that character!

So the MCU will finish strong. The moment they start putting in these LGBT themed characters... I'm not confident they'll pull it off.

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After seeing Black Panther, I have no idea what ideology they wanted to promote. The "villain" wanted to save all Africans worldwide and flip the social order. Black Panther teamed up with a honky to make sure that didn't happen.  And Wonder Woman showed us the mighty island of Amazons couldn't handle a few boatloads of sailors without an American dude showing the girls what's what.

The movies are SJWing wrong.


Black Panther just had Black Nazis and Wonder Woman felt more like a fish out of water story for the most part. Sure the movies may be slanted one way or another, but I didn't feel like there was a major agenda trying to be stuffed down the viewers throat.

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Black Panther just had Black Nazis and Wonder Woman felt more like a fish out of water story for the most part. Sure the movies may be slanted one way or another, but I didn't feel like there was a major agenda trying to be stuffed down the viewers throat.

I glossed over Black Panther, so I don't have too much to contribute. I did watch and enjoyed Wonder Woman. It wasn't stuffed with propaganda. The ending sucked, but that's pretty common for superhero movies.
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I glossed over Black Panther, so I don't have too much to contribute. I did watch and enjoyed Wonder Woman. It wasn't stuffed with propaganda. The ending sucked, but that's pretty common for superhero movies.

And it appears they're bringing Chris Pine back for the sequel.... I hope the co-stars make the same amount. ;-p

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Black Panther just had Black Nazis and Wonder Woman felt more like a fish out of water story for the most part. Sure the movies may be slanted one way or another, but I didn't feel like there was a major agenda trying to be stuffed down the viewers throat.

Well I think the director had some respect for Killmonger's Black Nazi position - many of the reviewers certainly did - but I don't think that really harmed the film. Black Panther still killed the guy, and BP's respect for K seemed as much or more for K's royal bloodline as for the attractiveness of his kill-whitey ideals. I liked the film a lot.

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Well I think the director had some respect for Killmonger's Black Nazi position - many of the reviewers certainly did - but I don't think that really harmed the film. Black Panther still killed the guy, and BP's respect for K seemed as much or more for K's royal bloodline as for the attractiveness of his kill-whitey ideals. I liked the film a lot.

I enjoyed the film as well. I am perplexed at the ratings it has (I thought Ragnorock was a better film for example) and it being rated better than classics just seems silly. I thought BP had more pity for Killmonger because of how he was raised (his family killed, left in America) than any sympathy for his beliefs.

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I enjoyed the film as well. I am perplexed at the ratings it has (I thought Ragnorock was a better film for example)

I thought the humour in Ragnarok was wildly excessive and inappropriate, undermining the later pathos, and it was a very low-budget Armageddon at the end. It had fun bits but I liked Black Panther a lot better; it was better crafted and took itself much more seriously, which is very important in fantasy films to maintain immersion in the imaginary world.

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My favorite out of the latest superhero movies was/is Ant Man. Fun. Different story than what's been done so far. (Heist flick) And it wasn't so goddamn EPIC that I felt like checking out. I haven't been interested in seeing Infinity War primarily for that reason.
Looking forward to Ant Man & The Wasp.
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Well I think the director had some respect for Killmonger's Black Nazi position - many of the reviewers certainly did - but I don't think that really harmed the film. Black Panther still killed the guy, and BP's respect for K seemed as much or more for K's royal bloodline as for the attractiveness of his kill-whitey ideals. I liked the film a lot.

Actually, it was more racist than I thought.  It's teaching it's OK to call white folks 'colonizers'.  Which is wildly inaccurate.  The ones that came from Greece didn't.  There were four major Empires that colonized the West, the French, the English, the Dutch and the Spanish (which apparently, somewhere along the lines became Black???) And you know what's really funny?  The Irish back in the day were treated like second class citizens almost as much as the Black and Asian folks.  But it's always been about the Black Americans, let's forget that the Civil Rights Act of '64 opened doors for everyone.  EVERYONE.

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My favorite out of the latest superhero movies was/is Ant Man. Fun. Different story than what's been done so far. (Heist flick) And it wasn't so goddamn EPIC that I felt like checking out. I haven't been interested in seeing Infinity War primarily for that reason.
Looking forward to Ant Man & The Wasp.

I liked Winter Soldier because it was closer to a spy thriller than an out and out here are the good guys, here the bad guys, FIGHT!

Although I liked Ant-Man, I have some reservations about the second film, a couple of shots in the trailer played for laughs bothered me.  The main one is here, during the trailer:



For those who don't want to click, the line goes:

Paul Rudd/Scott Lang:  Hold on, you gave her wings?

Michael Douglas/Hank Pym:  And blasters.

SL:  I take it you didn't have that tech for me.

HP: Oh no I did.

SL looks stunned at HP.

Funny, right?  That's a severe lack of trust to not upgrade the suit after the guy effectively proves himself twice in effectively saving the world, and sadly, I didn't find it very amusing.  And given the political tone that's going through the MCU at the moment...  I don't have much more hope.
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I thought it was hilarious because it shows that no matter what Scott does, Hank has and always will see him as expendable.

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Actually, it was more racist than I thought.  It's teaching it's OK to call white folks 'colonizers'.  

BP's sister being mildly racist didn't bother me, she still healed the white CIA guy after all. One reason in the film for Wakanda's isolation had been to avoid being colonised by the European powers, so it seemed plausible to me. I guess one might object that her character is a bit of a Mary Sue and there are some minor issues around how American writers & directors write African characters (IRL Africans in general are definitely not overly concerned about internal US politics, or massively interested in the affairs of African-Americans - much less than eg white Europeans are); but by Hollywood standards it was really not bad, and my African friends who commented definitely liked the film a lot.

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It's teaching it's OK to call white folks 'colonizers'.

Why the fuck would the Wakandans use that as a slur, anyway?  They don't give the remotest hint of a fuck about other Africans or the rest of the world.
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