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Author Topic: Male self-hatred; as "woke" as can be  (Read 22884 times)

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« Reply #1140 on: April 13, 2020, 02:46:17 PM »
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The Joe Biden sexual assault allegation have finally made an appearance in the big time media, and evidently Ms. Reade filed a police report thought the statute of limitation has elapsed.

Believing the women means giving credence and beginning the investigation, not dismissing them out of hand and ignoring them.  Documenting accusations can help determine a pattern of abuse (as in the Catholic priest abuse scandal).  Taking it seriously doesn't mean that every accusation is true, and what is 'right' following an accusation is highly dependent on the circumstances.  Apologizing and correcting behavior might be appropriate for 'smelling someone's hair' but it wouldn't be for rape - jail time is much more appropriate in that case.  

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No other allegation about sexual assault surfaced in the course of reporting, nor did any former Biden staff members corroborate any details of Ms. Reade's allegation. The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden.
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« Reply #1141 on: April 13, 2020, 08:08:57 PM »
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Believing the women means giving credence and beginning the investigation, not dismissing them out of hand and ignoring them.


Why limit this only to women? Is this more a universal principle of believing all victims? Well, how do you know who is a victim or not initially? Wouldn't then the person being falsely accused be the victim of abuse? Innocent until proven guilty.

I understand SocJus doesn't see a bias-free equal principle justice system as desirable, as its morality revolves around a complex floating set of power structures based on race, preference towards collectivism and conformity, and historical grudges, but I explained it to those, not in the know.

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« Reply #1142 on: April 14, 2020, 07:23:06 AM »
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Believing the women means giving credence and beginning the investigation, not dismissing them out of hand and ignoring them.  Documenting accusations can help determine a pattern of abuse (as in the Catholic priest abuse scandal).  Taking it seriously doesn't mean that every accusation is true, and what is 'right' following an accusation is highly dependent on the circumstances.  Apologizing and correcting behavior might be appropriate for 'smelling someone's hair' but it wouldn't be for rape - jail time is much more appropriate in that case.

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No other allegation about sexual assault surfaced in the course of reporting, nor did any former Biden staff members corroborate any details of Ms. Reade's allegation. The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden.



Actually, what was originally posted by the NYT was this:

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No other allegation about sexual assault surfaced in the course of reporting, nor did any former Biden staff members corroborate any details of Ms. Reade's allegation. The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable.


But, you know, that doesn't look so good so they quietly changed it.

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« Reply #1143 on: April 14, 2020, 07:25:28 AM »
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« Last Edit: April 14, 2020, 07:26:08 AM by moonsweeper »
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« Reply #1144 on: April 14, 2020, 11:44:20 AM »
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Actually, what was originally posted by the NYT was this:



But, you know, that doesn't look so good so they quietly changed it.

Setting aside the new allegations for a second, I say let Biden do his hugging and kissing (well, maybe not right now). I remember Bill Maher suddenly had to stop hugging women on his show (he's even stopped a couple of women saying "we don't do that anymore"). This sort of paranoia is making the world a colder place if you ask me.

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« Reply #1145 on: April 14, 2020, 12:01:59 PM »
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Actually, what was originally posted by the NYT was this:



But, you know, that doesn't look so good so they quietly changed it.

:D

I think the allegations against Biden are suspect, but then I thought the same about the allegations against Kavanaugh. It all smells strongly of political motivation.
I do think that the Left should walk their talk, and disavow Biden because, believe whamen! At least someone who follows through on accusations against their "side" is being consistent, even if it means potentially sinking all their candidates.
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« Reply #1146 on: April 14, 2020, 12:08:18 PM »
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:D

I think the allegations against Biden are suspect, but then I thought the same about the allegations against Kavanaugh. It all smells strongly of political motivation.
I do think that the Left should walk their talk, and disavow Biden because, believe whamen! At least someone who follows through on accusations against their "side" is being consistent, even if it means potentially sinking all their candidates.

The woke left is like the hyper-religious right. It's not the whole bunch of them, and not everyone agrees with them, but sometimes they get too powerful.

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« Reply #1147 on: April 14, 2020, 12:27:05 PM »
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Believing the women means giving credence and beginning the investigation, not dismissing them out of hand and ignoring them.  Documenting accusations can help determine a pattern of abuse (as in the Catholic priest abuse scandal).  Taking it seriously doesn't mean that every accusation is true, and what is 'right' following an accusation is highly dependent on the circumstances.  Apologizing and correcting behavior might be appropriate for 'smelling someone's hair' but it wouldn't be for rape - jail time is much more appropriate in that case.


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« Reply #1148 on: April 14, 2020, 01:39:30 PM »
It's gonna be fun when Dementia JoJo gets asked about Tara Reade and he accidentally tells the truth! You know Trump is going to invite her to the debates!

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« Reply #1149 on: April 15, 2020, 01:58:59 PM »
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Setting aside the new allegations for a second, I say let Biden do his hugging and kissing (well, maybe not right now). I remember Bill Maher suddenly had to stop hugging women on his show (he's even stopped a couple of women saying "we don't do that anymore"). This sort of paranoia is making the world a colder place if you ask me.


Remember how Richard Dawson would kiss women on the cheek in a gentlemanly fashion, on Family Feud?

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« Reply #1150 on: April 15, 2020, 05:59:46 PM »
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Believing the women means giving credence and beginning the investigation, not dismissing them out of hand and ignoring them.  Documenting accusations can help determine a pattern of abuse (as in the Catholic priest abuse scandal).  Taking it seriously doesn't mean that every accusation is true, and what is 'right' following an accusation is highly dependent on the circumstances.  Apologizing and correcting behavior might be appropriate for 'smelling someone's hair' but it wouldn't be for rape - jail time is much more appropriate in that case.


All right, I didn't argue against this in the post you quoted so I'm not sure why you quoted. I have seen several people that are ready to hang Biden and call for him to withdraw over Reade's accusation with investigation or much supporting evidence. So far there a singe woman alleging a sexual assault against Biden who is known as  Tara Reade, Alexandra Tara Reade, Tara Reade Moulton, Tara Moulton, and Alexandra Tara McCabe) appears to be a very disturbed individual whose claims appear incredible as she's made similar claims against Vladimir Putin and has an online record of praising Joe Biden for strongly protecting women that were made in the same time frame as the seemingly invented false claims.

But there are allot of people willing to call him GUILTY based on her accusation alone and use the Believe the Woman catch phrase to justify their almost vigilante mentality. That's what I (and I think others, Left and Right wing) find unsettling about the whole thing not the notion that charge of sexual misconduct (or any criminality, for that matter) ought to be taken seriously.
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« Reply #1151 on: April 15, 2020, 06:10:39 PM »
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All right, I didn't argue against this in the post you quoted so I'm not sure why you quoted. I have seen several people that are ready to hang Biden and call for him to withdraw over Reade's accusation with investigation or much supporting evidence. So far there a singe woman alleging a sexual assault against Biden who is known as  Tara Reade, Alexandra Tara Reade, Tara Reade Moulton, Tara Moulton, and Alexandra Tara McCabe) appears to be a very disturbed individual whose claims appear incredible as she's made similar claims against Vladimir Putin and has an online record of praising Joe Biden for strongly protecting women that were made in the same time frame as the seemingly invented false claims.

But there are allot of people willing to call him GUILTY based on her accusation alone and use the Believe the Woman catch phrase to justify their almost vigilante mentality. That's what I (and I think others, Left and Right wing) find unsettling about the whole thing not the notion that charge of sexual misconduct (or any criminality, for that matter) ought to be taken seriously.

I don't think it's a coincidence that they chose the word "believe", instead of "take seriously". I've heard the refrain "Women just don't lie about this kind of thing." too often.
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« Reply #1152 on: April 15, 2020, 06:12:45 PM »
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Remember how Richard Dawson would kiss women on the cheek in a gentlemanly fashion, on Family Feud?

He would be -so- fired (possibly out of a catapult) for that these days.
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« Reply #1153 on: April 15, 2020, 06:14:21 PM »
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I don't think it's a coincidence that they chose the word "believe", instead of "take seriously". I've heard the refrain "Women just don't lie about this kind of thing." too often.

Same here on both counts.And there are plenty of documented accounts that argue against the second.
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« Reply #1154 on: April 15, 2020, 07:51:56 PM »
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All right, I didn't argue against this in the post you quoted so I'm not sure why you quoted. I have seen several people that are ready to hang Biden and call for him to withdraw over Reade's accusation with investigation or much supporting evidence. So far there a singe woman alleging a sexual assault against Biden who is known as  Tara Reade, Alexandra Tara Reade, Tara Reade Moulton, Tara Moulton, and Alexandra Tara McCabe) appears to be a very disturbed individual whose claims appear incredible as she's made similar claims against Vladimir Putin and has an online record of praising Joe Biden for strongly protecting women that were made in the same time frame as the seemingly invented false claims.

Is there anything that Vladimir Putin can not do?

The guy is like a real life Lex Luthor mixed with Ernst Stavro Blofeld.
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