According to this article (https://www.dicebreaker.com/games/dungeons-and-dragons-5e/feature/dnd-5e-tashas-cauldron-of-everything-preview) the November release for 5e from WoTC is addressing even more "racist" and "problematic" aspects of the game that only woke sjw types seem to see such as the titular character's lore as an evil mage being problematic because she's female and the racist notion that different races have different ability modifiers. I'm really starting to think they're going to kill D&D as we know it... What say you?
Quote from: Samsquantch;1146490According to this article (https://www.dicebreaker.com/games/dungeons-and-dragons-5e/feature/dnd-5e-tashas-cauldron-of-everything-preview) the November release for 5e from WoTC is addressing even more "racist" and "problematic" aspects of the game that only woke sjw types seem to see such as the titular character's lore as an evil mage being problematic because she's female and the racist notion that different races have different ability modifiers. I'm really starting to think they're going to kill D&D as we know it... What say you?
That's hilarious.
Tasha was the alias for Iggwilv, one of THE most dangerous, powerful, and (yes) evil sorceresses in Greyhawk. We're not talking 'I have bad publicity' i.e. FR's the Simbul. She's the mother of Iuz, for crying out loud.
But oh no, she's not REALLY evil. I mean, she consorts with fiends, but no, that's not a problem at all! She's just misunderstood!
And I hear the book is right up there with Skills & Powers as far as character creation goes.
Well, splitting 'race' and 'culture' is D&D catching up to where the rest of the hobby has been for about 30 or 40 years. My oldest encounter with it is the distinction of package deals in Fantasy Hero (4E), but I believe it may go all the way back to Runequest.
As for the rest, at the moment, it seems projection/wishful thinking on the part of the article writer. We'll have to see how the book turns out. Iuz was probably corrupted by his father's toxic masculinity. :) (Actually, Graz'zt is a pretty good example of a toxic kind of masculinity, so that may not be so farfetched.)
Quote from: Samsquantch;1146490According to this article (https://www.dicebreaker.com/games/dungeons-and-dragons-5e/feature/dnd-5e-tashas-cauldron-of-everything-preview) the November release for 5e from WoTC is addressing even more "racist" and "problematic" aspects of the game that only woke sjw types seem to see such as the titular character's lore as an evil mage being problematic because she's female and the racist notion that different races have different ability modifiers. I'm really starting to think they're going to kill D&D as we know it... What say you?
Good, they should go full woke when they finally release the 6th edition, but in the mean time they need to bend the knee and suck the woke penis even harder.
More room for small publishers/indie developers.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1146547Well, splitting 'race' and 'culture' is D&D catching up to where the rest of the hobby has been for about 30 or 40 years. My oldest encounter with it is the distinction of package deals in Fantasy Hero (4E), but I believe it may go all the way back to Runequest.
Yes. I have only one issue with this: I hope no one confuses my desire to split race and culture with being as stupid as WotC is.
Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1146550Yes. I have only one issue with this: I hope no one confuses my desire to split race and culture with being as stupid as WotC is.
I did it with my humancentric totally not Conan game. You got savages, barbarians, civilized, decadent cultures of all the colors (or the tools to create them anyway.
Why isn't this in the gaming forum? It's at least related to gaming.
Quote from: Samsquantch;1146490What say you?
Ignore their crap and run your campaign however you want.
If WOTC wants to make themselves irrelevant, that's their business decision.
Depending on how its presented in the actual material I can see it being a net positive. If you don't want to run old-school and want to let your special butterflies in the group make their special butterfly then there's rules for that.
Quote from: Samsquantch;1146490What say you?
Brand Zero.
If the book is as good as Skills and Powers then I may have to buy it despite my boycott on WotC products.
Chances of that seem slim though.
Quote from: Samsquantch;1146490I'm really starting to think they're going to kill D&D as we know it... What say you?
EXCELLENT!!!
We're neck deep in the classic "we must destroy the village to save it" scenario. D&D in WotC's hands can't be saved, but it can be destroyed, all involved scattered to the winds and reborn in the future.
Considering what WotC has brought into the hobby as "new gamers", there's no loss if the WotC devotees wander off to destroy another hobby.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1146636EXCELLENT!!!
We're neck deep in the classic "we must destroy the village to save it" scenario. D&D in WotC's hands can't be saved, but it can be destroyed, all involved scattered to the winds and reborn in the future.
Considering what WotC has brought into the hobby as "new gamers", there's no loss if the WotC devotees wander off to destroy another hobby.
Unless it's your hobby that they wander in to.
Far better to crush them utterly, so that all hobbies are free from their evil.
Quote from: RandyB;1146652Unless it's your hobby that they wander in to.
Far better to crush them utterly, so that all hobbies are free from their evil.
For that to happen some companies need to go bankrupt so those executives will figure out that get woke, go broke is a very real concept. That means WotC has to die. I am okay with that as there is the OGL and with it the OSR.
Quote from: Snowman0147;1146655For that to happen some companies need to go bankrupt so those executives will figure out that get woke, go broke is a very real concept. That means WotC has to die. I am okay with that as there is the OGL and with it the OSR.
No company should be considered "immortal", and no company is "too big to fail".
I'd like to see an ongoing D&D TTRPG product line, but WoTC have proven to be poor stewards.
And Disney is showing signs of comprehending "get woke, go broke" and squelching the woke in their own company. Time will tell how serious they are, and if any other companies, like, say, Hasbro, follow their example.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1146573Ignore their crap and run your campaign however you want.
If WOTC wants to make themselves irrelevant, that's their business decision.
My mantra also...
Make the games you want to play. Sod everyone else... It's got nout' to do with them.
Well it's about time. Because I've been concerned about the feelings of all the Orcs who feel represented as a savage monolithic culture in D&D.
Wait... who are the Orcs representing in their minds again?
Quote from: tenbones;1146671Well it's about time. Because I've been concerned about the feelings of all the Orcs who feel represented as a savage monolithic culture in D&D.
Wait... who are the Orcs representing in their minds again?
It's a bit weird because they think white hetro-sexual males are orcs but they think orcs are black people.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1146559Why isn't this in the gaming forum? It's at least related to gaming.
Agreed. I totally missed this yesterday, cuz I generally don't check the politics forum. Only saw it today cuz I was done catching up with the threads I was interested in the main forum and remembered this forum existed.
On the actual topic I think that the idea of "lineages" or whatever they're gonna call it is stupid and wrongheaded for a variety of reasons. First of all, the idea that not every member of a race is the same and that some have different aptitudes than others is already covered by variable ability scores. You don't need to give characters extra points they can spend however they want (assuming that's the way they handle it), that's already achieved by using point-buy ability scores. The racial ability modifiers are supposed to cover the inborn tendencies of a race as an added bonus, not dictate what your ability scores should be. Second, further distinctive, snowflakey quirks and options beyond ability score modifiers are already covered by feats. You don't need to dismantle the entire concept of race (though, we all know that's precisely what these idiots' political agenda is) in order to represent the notion that someone people have different talents than others--that's called feats! They already have that in the game!
Granted, you could always add race-specific feats, like they did PF 2e, or variable options how they handled it in AD&D 2e's Players Options: Skills & Powers. But you don't need to get rid of races in order to represent how some individuals are different than others, that's already covered by the entire gamma of existing options, from variable ability scores, being able to pick the class that you want, having different Backgrounds or choosing feats.
This whole thing is moronic pandering and bending over backwards to please political ideologues pushing their deranged nonsense into the hobby.
Quote from: David Johansen;1146695It's a bit weird because they think white hetro-sexual males are orcs but they think orcs are black people.
Self-loathing is a terrible terrible thing. And that Projection Talent they have... truly scary.
Quote from: David Johansen;1146695It's a bit weird because they think white hetro-sexual males are orcs but they think orcs are black people.
Is there a hidden blackface reference in orcs?
No, but the left's hatred of white hetero-sexual men is very much the kind of othering of your enemies that orcs represent.
Quote from: David Johansen;1146695It's a bit weird because they think white hetro-sexual males are orcs but they think orcs are black people.
Which is funny, because Orcs tend to be more civilized.
Quote from: VisionStorm;1146698Only saw it today cuz I was done catching up with the threads I was interested in the main forum and remembered this forum existed.
Damn it guys! Who was assigned to haunt VisionStorm's dreams so he'd post here more? We can't just rely on his memory!
Slackers the bunch of you!!
Just going to leave this here.
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Quote from: David Johansen;1146695It's a bit weird because they think white hetro-sexual males are orcs but they think orcs are black people.
Self-loathing is a terrible terrible thing. And that Projection Talent they have... truly scary.
The extreme left projects harder than an IMAX theater during an all-night billing
They will either present decent rules that can be widely used or they will blow it. Since the rules are optional and we have well over 5 editions of D&D, many OSR systems and lots more we can play, does it really matter?
I don't care if they give options that pander to people who get in a tizzy about the biological determinism of completely imaginary species.
It's all pretty meaningless anyway when the average Goliath is only 5% stronger than the average Halfling.
Just so long as they don't try and moralise along with it.
Quote from: RandyB on August 27, 2020, 09:31:30 AM
Quote from: Snowman0147;1146655For that to happen some companies need to go bankrupt so those executives will figure out that get woke, go broke is a very real concept. That means WotC has to die. I am okay with that as there is the OGL and with it the OSR.
No company should be considered "immortal", and no company is "too big to fail".
I'd like to see an ongoing D&D TTRPG product line, but WoTC have proven to be poor stewards.
And Disney is showing signs of comprehending "get woke, go broke" and squelching the woke in their own company. Time will tell how serious they are, and if any other companies, like, say, Hasbro, follow their example.
The twitter mob is going after Gina Carano, the actress that plays Cara Dune on the Mandalorian, for not putting pronouns in her twitter profile. She outright states that she won't bow to toxic bullies that make threats to get their way (she's received death threats over this) and the trans mob is calling for Disney to fire her and bring in a trans woman to replace her.
It's disgusting behaviour to demand compliance to woke idealism at the threat to your life and income. I despise sjws with every fibre of my being because they are the most hypocritical, intolerant, and bigoted people I have ever met.
Quote from: VisionStorm on August 27, 2020, 04:23:33 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze;1146559Why isn't this in the gaming forum? It's at least related to gaming.
Agreed. I totally missed this yesterday, cuz I generally don't check the politics forum. Only saw it today cuz I was done catching up with the threads I was interested in the main forum and remembered this forum existed.
On the actual topic I think that the idea of "lineages" or whatever they're gonna call it is stupid and wrongheaded for a variety of reasons. First of all, the idea that not every member of a race is the same and that some have different aptitudes than others is already covered by variable ability scores. You don't need to give characters extra points they can spend however they want (assuming that's the way they handle it), that's already achieved by using point-buy ability scores. The racial ability modifiers are supposed to cover the inborn tendencies of a race as an added bonus, not dictate what your ability scores should be. Second, further distinctive, snowflakey quirks and options beyond ability score modifiers are already covered by feats. You don't need to dismantle the entire concept of race (though, we all know that's precisely what these idiots' political agenda is) in order to represent the notion that someone people have different talents than others--that's called feats! They already have that in the game!
Granted, you could always add race-specific feats, like they did PF 2e, or variable options how they handled it in AD&D 2e's Players Options: Skills & Powers. But you don't need to get rid of races in order to represent how some individuals are different than others, that's already covered by the entire gamma of existing options, from variable ability scores, being able to pick the class that you want, having different Backgrounds or choosing feats.
This whole thing is moronic pandering and bending over backwards to please political ideologues pushing their deranged nonsense into the hobby.
I completely agree, we'll said.
Quote from: Samsquantch on September 16, 2020, 05:05:14 PM
It's disgusting behaviour to demand compliance to woke idealism at the threat to your life and income. I despise sjws with every fibre of my being because they are the most hypocritical, intolerant, and bigoted people I have ever met.
It's becoming the baseline for many corporations. I've been stunned by what's being shoved down employee's throats during their HR goodthink sessions.
But the American dream is rarely achieved by being a wage slave, and these woke compliance demands simply fuel the impetus to become independent.
Quote from: Samsquantch on September 16, 2020, 05:05:14 PMThe twitter mob is going after Gina Carano, the actress that plays Cara Dune on the Mandalorian, for not putting pronouns in her twitter profile.
If you can't tell her pronouns by looking, you're too stupid to read them on a Twitter profile.
Quote from: Samsquantch on September 16, 2020, 05:05:14 PM
The twitter mob is going after Gina Carano, the actress that plays Cara Dune on the Mandalorian, for not putting pronouns in her twitter profile. She outright states that she won't bow to toxic bullies that make threats to get their way (she's received death threats over this) and the trans mob is calling for Disney to fire her and bring in a trans woman to replace her.
It's disgusting behaviour to demand compliance to woke idealism at the threat to your life and income. I despise sjws with every fibre of my being because they are the most hypocritical, intolerant, and bigoted people I have ever met.
Good luck with that. She's slated for Season 2 and shows no inclination to play patty-cake with the pronoun brigades.
Tough lady. Pretty lady, too :)