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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2017, 05:16:52 PM »
^ Clockwork. Pavlovian almost?

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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2017, 05:17:55 PM »
Hi

First time poster - short time lurker.

I'll be brutally honest guys.  I suspect if I talked politics with any of you guys some of you would consider me a 'SJW'.  One of the things I usually counter, 'it's political correctness gone mad' with is, 'what is it that you actually want to say, that you feel you can't?'  And I felt pretty smug about that because I felt that people complaining about being PC usually wanted to say something bigoted and brush off their white privilege.

So well done Big Purple.  The last few months they have proved me absolutely completely fucking wrong.  If you read that board you'd think that most gamers in the US are white male rapists groping women all the time and actually heterosexual white dudes are pushing trans and women, people of colour etc. out of the hobby.  I find it terribly frustrating their ridiculous moderation of every single topic about inclusion.  How the fuck does creating a giant echo chamber help make the hobby 'safe'?  It's blatant scaremongering and open for ridicule.

I've been a committed anti-fascist all my adult life.  I'm definitely left wing and abhor sexism and racism - as most normal people do but for fucks sake you cannot discuss anything over there!  Dude talks to a woman once - gets handy 'oh my gosh I feel sick and I can't buy from company x again' is a typical response.  The recent threads outing sex offenders was a joke.  Cue the swathes of 'I believe you' posts from sanctimonious dudes.  The notion that ANYONE could go on there under a new user name and say 'game designer x did this' is completely lost on them.  This isn't about belief or not - it's about common sense.

X-cards, treatment of gypsy's, how should I portray fantasy Africa - it's so fucking tiresome.  And whilst people look for a myriad of reasons why games are 'wrong' there is only one result - boring games.

Everyone knows certain games that are a piece of shit.  Am I being stupid or could most of this SJW / safe space gaming be resolved by just common sense and good manners?  If I'm gaming people GOOD MANNERS prevent me from running, 'this game is about rape and lynching'.  If I want to run or play anything challenging it's good manners to check in that everyone is chill with it.  What normal people don't do is look for potentially offending material to keep the game safe.  RPG's are largely based on the 'racist' assumption of breaking into someone's home, killing everyone and stealing their stuff - it's colonialism, blah blah blah. It's also a laugh!

One of my characters in a game is a gay man.  As far as I know in the rules and fluff there has never been any mention of homosexuality.  In rpg.net this game would be considered problematic and need to be rewritten or something cool.  And yet, I can run him exactly as I see fit in keeping with the universe.

Seriously, I don't get what kind of games the SJW crowd actually play?  Just searching through emotional issues?

It's notable that a number of my games are online with 'inclusive' people (like me).  Unsurprisingly challenging subject matter and adult themes are addressed maturely without anyone getting a stick up their ass.

I guess what pisses me off the most is at one time black people made cities burn because of the shit they got, gay men and women marched up front and proud saying 'fuck you' to the haters, women burnt their bras and were up front and centre in their liberation.  On big purple they've been reduced to quivering wrecks in tears because they don't like a drawing or they 'can't find people like me' in rpg's.  I never really got the 'snowflake' insult until I digged into rpg.net.  Where I grew up, people were a lot more spiky and wouldn't put up with intolerant shit.  These lot are all so tearful about everything.  They should grow some fucking balls and challenge genuine shit when they see it.  Why do I get the notion that most posters on there are middle class and privileged and have no real idea how ordinary people live their lives.

Willmark's image above is bang on point.  Puritan witch-hunters.  Forums are 'safe' because they constrain debate and discussion.  They are afraid of culture, art, expression.  Cover those chair legs.  A discussion is typically an exploration of views - not a repetitive group wank.

Anyway, rant over.  I also want to say I'm quite pleased to have found here.  Sure, I don't agree with much on this particular sub-forum but the openness of views is refreshing.

Enjoy your gaming

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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2017, 05:19:27 PM »
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The mods there are authoritarian fools but talk about throwing stones while living in glass houses. This place is just as obsessed with outrage just of a different political bent. The OP is a perfect example of someone searching out something on the net for them to bitch about here. Snowflakes the lot.

Every entity and person is biased, but at least we can voice our opinions a little more freely around here. I could even suggest that I might be reasonably polite to Mentzer if I ran into him somewhere without the locals gathering torches and pitch forks.

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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2017, 05:26:40 PM »
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Why do I get the notion that most posters on there are middle class and privileged and have no real idea how ordinary people live their lives.

Because you're perceptive and it's true.
 

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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2017, 05:27:09 PM »
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Clockwork. Pavlovian almost?

You mean the bitching about TBP? Totally.

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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2017, 05:29:41 PM »
This is about the "free-est" place on the web.

Here you either learn to grow a thick skin or whine a lot (like certain posters).

The free flow of ideas should never be squashed. I might disagree with our liberal posters here but I do not want to see the staff stepping in and telling them they cant post. TBP is the exact opposite of that.

In my political views, freedom has to be an absolute (or fairly close to it). That's world's apart from today's left that wants and demands forced compliance; which is weird since the US is about the opposite. They view government as the hammer and everything this dislike is a nail. Failing that mob tactics!

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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2017, 05:41:13 PM »
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Granted the guy running the convention posted one of the most tactless, undiplomatic posts to showcase his convention.


I thought his response was pretty good.  Although he should have stopped after the first 11 sentences.

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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2017, 05:47:54 PM »
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Hi

First time poster - short time lurker.



Anyway, rant over.  I also want to say I'm quite pleased to have found here.  Sure, I don't agree with much on this particular sub-forum but the openness of views is refreshing.

Enjoy your gaming

I am new here too, but I will welcome you all the same. I'm not likely to be of similar political alignment to many people here either. I am a political independent and vote according to my own interests.

But that isn't what any of this is about. This is about power. And the mods are all about their own little sad dictatorship on TBP.

It isn't about being inclusive, in fact it's plainly the opposite. If you look at the Bill Webb (isn't that his name? The Fog God guy) situation, it was handled to the satisfaction of the victim. She even put out a public note saying that she is the one who had the final say in the outcome. She had the option of pressing charges and she chose not to do so. She was the one with the power then. But TBP kept on trucking, even after the victim stated she wanted all this just to be over with (paraphrased, obviously.)

So, it's not about protecting women. It's about power. If it wasn't about the empowerment of the victim, then who? Many of their posters were calling for the shutdown of a convention that non of them would be attending in a situation where no legal charges had been filed by or against any party involved.

So, does it sound like this is in any way about the safty of women to you?

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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2017, 05:50:18 PM »
Saying that Isis members would be welcomed with open arms us both unnecessary and frankly stupid imo. All he needed to say we welcome everyone with open arms.

I think it's time to remind Voros he is on my ignore list. He is free to keep posting. I simply won't see what is being written.
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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2017, 05:53:31 PM »
Welcome to the rpgsite. Compared to rpg.net this place is a breath of fresh sir. Even if some will have you believe it's just as bad.

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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2017, 06:00:48 PM »
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Saying that Isis members would be welcomed with open arms us both unnecessary and frankly stupid imo. All he needed to say we welcome everyone with open arms.

I will agree with this. He went about making his point in the most obtuse way possible. He could have made the same statement in a far shorter and more mature fashion.

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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2017, 08:16:52 PM »
The snowflakes of big purple are pretty close to being professional victims.

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« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2017, 08:34:01 PM »
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I'll be brutally honest guys.  I suspect if I talked politics with any of you guys some of you would consider me a 'SJW'.  One of the things I usually counter, 'it's political correctness gone mad' with is, 'what is it that you actually want to say, that you feel you can't?'  And I felt pretty smug about that because I felt that people complaining about being PC usually wanted to say something bigoted and brush off their white privilege.


Speaking for myself, if you come across with good arguments (or at least, not bad ones) I'll engage with what you have to say.

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So well done Big Purple.  The last few months they have proved me absolutely completely fucking wrong.  If you read that board you'd think that most gamers in the US are white male rapists groping women all the time and actually heterosexual white dudes are pushing trans and women, people of colour etc. out of the hobby.  I find it terribly frustrating their ridiculous moderation of every single topic about inclusion.  How the fuck does creating a giant echo chamber help make the hobby 'safe'?  It's blatant scaremongering and open for ridicule.
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Welcome. If there's one positive thing about the whole social justice angle, is that those paying attention have discovered that no one is above pettiness and human frailties. I hope that eventually some understanding will come of all this.
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« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2017, 08:35:46 PM »
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The mods there are authoritarian fools but talk about throwing stones while living in glass houses. This place is just as obsessed with outrage just of a different political bent. The OP is a perfect example of someone searching out something on the net for them to bitch about here. Snowflakes the lot.


And here you are scouring the forums looking for posts to cluck your tongue at. Thou hypocrite.
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« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2017, 08:42:13 PM »
With rpg.net it's like watching Jekyl and Hyde in action. It went from being a decent place to hang out. To something like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. It's fucked up imo. Watching a forum devolve over time  instead of evolving. It's not pleasant to watch at least for me.
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