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Author Topic: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021  (Read 117819 times)

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1410 on: September 28, 2021, 02:59:39 PM »
Part of the problem of 'widely reported' is that it's the 21st century of 'everyone knows this to be true'. And I like to point out that there are many things people 'knew' that just weren't so.

What do I think the next steps should be? Court summons. Subpoenas that come with the addendum of 'if you ignore this, state troopers come to your house and arrest you'. Analysis of the missing equipment and documentation. Explanations as to why millions of files were wiped when there were subpoenas and official requests for said material.

And then if there is fraud, it should be treated as treasonous. After all, people have bandied 'treason' around quite a bit as a label for 'attacks on our democracy'. So we shouldn't have any trouble treating voter fraud as treason, right? It strikes at the core of how any kind of republic or democracy works.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1411 on: September 28, 2021, 03:58:15 PM »
Actually, that sounds like nuisance lawsuits.

What reason, besides the results, does anyone have to doubt the validity of the election? 

Keep in mind that we're talking about changing the results of MULTIPLE states, each with different election processes and procedures and several of those states were 1) won by Trump in 2016 (no accusations of fraud at that time), 2) used the same voting processes in place in 2016, 3) had the election overseen by Republican election officials. 

If there was a single shred of EVIDENCE that something sinister had happened, YES, you file charges, subpoena witnesses, and investigate.  But to keep pulling people from their full-time job to keep answering an inquiry that keeps coming back with the answer you don't like is NOT how you handle things in a free society. 
When I say objectively, I mean 'subjectively'.  When I say literally, I mean 'figuratively'.  
And when I say that you are a horse's ass, I mean that the objective truth is that you are a literal horse's ass.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1412 on: September 28, 2021, 05:21:56 PM »
Part of the problem of 'widely reported' is that it's the 21st century of 'everyone knows this to be true'. And I like to point out that there are many things people 'knew' that just weren't so.

In this case, Pullen is a living person and politician - and indeed he is the liaison for the audit responsible for communicating to the public. If the quote is a fabrication, then I'd expect that Newsmax or someone similar could get a quote from him denying it. Along similar lines, there was a supposed draft report that was spread around - and the Arizona Capitol Times (among others) reported Pullen denying the draft.

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The draft – published alongside a Gateway Pundit article titled “Arizona Audit Final Report Was Watered Down” – includes the line “based on these factual findings, the election should not be certified, and the reported results are not reliable.”

“This is a fake document,” Senate audit liaison Randy Pullen said in a text message.

Pullen, former Republican Party of Arizona chairman, said “there was never a discussion about decertifying.”
Source: https://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2021/09/27/pullen-draft-audit-report-calling-for-decertification-of-election-a-fake/

That there was never discussion of decertifying also suggests to me that the report does not constitute evidence of massive fraud.


What do I think the next steps should be? Court summons. Subpoenas that come with the addendum of 'if you ignore this, state troopers come to your house and arrest you'. Analysis of the missing equipment and documentation. Explanations as to why millions of files were wiped when there were subpoenas and official requests for said material.

Fair enough. I agree that evidence of fraud should lead to criminal investigation and prosecutions. If those don't materialize, though, will that just be proof that the Arizona Republicans hate Trump and hate the truth, so they're covering up for Biden?

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1413 on: September 28, 2021, 05:47:44 PM »
Part of the problem of 'widely reported' is that it's the 21st century of 'everyone knows this to be true'. And I like to point out that there are many things people 'knew' that just weren't so.

In this case, Pullen is a living person and politician - and indeed he is the liaison for the audit responsible for communicating to the public. If the quote is a fabrication, then I'd expect that Newsmax or someone similar could get a quote from him denying it. Along similar lines, there was a supposed draft report that was spread around - and the Arizona Capitol Times (among others) reported Pullen denying the draft.

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The draft – published alongside a Gateway Pundit article titled “Arizona Audit Final Report Was Watered Down” – includes the line “based on these factual findings, the election should not be certified, and the reported results are not reliable.”

“This is a fake document,” Senate audit liaison Randy Pullen said in a text message.

Pullen, former Republican Party of Arizona chairman, said “there was never a discussion about decertifying.”
Source: https://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2021/09/27/pullen-draft-audit-report-calling-for-decertification-of-election-a-fake/

That there was never discussion of decertifying also suggests to me that the report does not constitute evidence of massive fraud.


What do I think the next steps should be? Court summons. Subpoenas that come with the addendum of 'if you ignore this, state troopers come to your house and arrest you'. Analysis of the missing equipment and documentation. Explanations as to why millions of files were wiped when there were subpoenas and official requests for said material.

Fair enough. I agree that evidence of fraud should lead to criminal investigation and prosecutions. If those don't materialize, though, will that just be proof that the Arizona Republicans hate Trump and hate the truth, so they're covering up for Biden?
The problem with decertification is that bluntly put, it opens a HUGE can of worms. One that, I might add, the Dems have been playing with for a while. I know some of you remember the sniveling over 2016, right? Faithless electors, etc?

Let's not kid ourselves that it wouldn't be a colossal mess. Pulling that trigger would be a rubicon crossed.

If action is not taken though, my assumption is that too many people want to 'go along to get along'. Don't rock the boat, don't upset the rice bowls.

Although I suspect the AZ GOP is not going to let up that easily. They seem to have sunk some hooks into Kyrsten Sinema.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1414 on: September 28, 2021, 06:12:03 PM »
Livestock dewormer is a helluva drug

That's not an honest view on that particular drug. In fact it's doing serious damage to a reputable drug which was hailed by the Noble committee as saving thousands of human lives. I don't know why this one got politicized like it did, but it's a shitty thing to perpetuate it. Saying "It's not effective against Covid" is different from saying "It's just a livestock dewormer!" when it is definitely a human drug.
I prefer my drugs to have human characteristics, just like those humanized mice in Wuhan.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1415 on: September 28, 2021, 07:28:02 PM »
Livestock dewormer is a helluva drug

That's not an honest view on that particular drug. In fact it's doing serious damage to a reputable drug which was hailed by the Noble committee as saving thousands of human lives. I don't know why this one got politicized like it did, but it's a shitty thing to perpetuate it. Saying "It's not effective against Covid" is different from saying "It's just a livestock dewormer!" when it is definitely a human drug.
I prefer my drugs to have human characteristics, just like those humanized mice in Wuhan.
They'd rather have people die of malaria than give up their narrative.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1416 on: September 29, 2021, 01:26:07 AM »
Livestock dewormer is a helluva drug

That's not an honest view on that particular drug. In fact it's doing serious damage to a reputable drug which was hailed by the Noble committee as saving thousands of human lives. I don't know why this one got politicized like it did, but it's a shitty thing to perpetuate it. Saying "It's not effective against Covid" is different from saying "It's just a livestock dewormer!" when it is definitely a human drug.

For once, we agree. The "dewormer" narrative is/was disingenuous and harmful.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1417 on: September 29, 2021, 03:20:44 AM »
Livestock dewormer is a helluva drug

That's not an honest view on that particular drug. In fact it's doing serious damage to a reputable drug which was hailed by the Noble committee as saving thousands of human lives. I don't know why this one got politicized like it did, but it's a shitty thing to perpetuate it. Saying "It's not effective against Covid" is different from saying "It's just a livestock dewormer!" when it is definitely a human drug.

For once, we agree. The "dewormer" narrative is/was disingenuous and harmful.
It's not the dewormer part of the narrative that's disingenuous (because it is an antihelmintic), it's the part suggesting that it isn't a medication with approved human uses (in the proper forms and dosages).

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1418 on: September 29, 2021, 11:03:55 AM »
It appears not everyone agrees with some of the assertions made that the audit was no big deal.

https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/docs/press-releases/2021/letters/210927_Letter_to_Maricopa_County_re_Litigation_Hold.pdf






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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1419 on: September 29, 2021, 04:58:21 PM »
It appears not everyone agrees with some of the assertions made that the audit was no big deal.

https://www.azag.gov/sites/default/files/docs/press-releases/2021/letters/210927_Letter_to_Maricopa_County_re_Litigation_Hold.pdf





Whether you think they are a big deal or not, there is a meaningful difference between, "We should improve the systems and procedures used in our elections in the future so let's investigate all the problems with this one to learn from it," and "We proved Trump won Arizona!"

The later, at this point, appears to be a baseless allegation made by ideological fanatics.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1420 on: October 01, 2021, 07:03:35 PM »
Transcripts of an August 14 deposition in the "Dominion is going to ass rape Rudy Giuliani" case show that Giuliani, by his own admission, got the stories about voter fraud from social media, and never authenticated or fact checked anything.

Fukken loooooooool

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1421 on: October 01, 2021, 07:09:01 PM »
Is there even one person in the US that will trust Dominion with their voting again?

They better hope Giuliani doesnt declare bankruptcy cause they are gonna need that money.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1422 on: October 01, 2021, 07:12:35 PM »
Is there even one person in the US that will trust Dominion with their voting again?

They better hope Giuliani doesnt declare bankruptcy cause they are gonna need that money.
I'm sure Tubesnake would trust them with his vote, and his wife as well.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1423 on: October 01, 2021, 09:14:30 PM »
Is there even one person in the US that will trust Dominion with their voting again?

They better hope Giuliani doesnt declare bankruptcy cause they are gonna need that money.

Dominion will emerge from this largely unscathed, especially after they finish hollowing out Powell, Wood, et. al. Further admissions and revelations of the baseless and frivolous nature of the Kraken lolsuit will come to light, and more and more poeple will see the game for what it is. Those who will distrust Dominion will be those who have been suckling at the teat of disinformation for so long that they have come to prefer it to the truth. These people are largely unreachable. If America didn't make any significant changes to its election system after 2000, it certainly isn't going to do so now. But keep on huffing that Copium, and telling yourself that a failed and provably frivolous cluster fuck of legal asshattery will finally tip the scales in the favor of MAGAloids.

Also, not all of the precincts in question use Dominion. Many use ES&S, whose practices are similar, but who also has financial ties to several prominent Republicans.

Lastly, in Minnesots, a Booger Boy has admitted to posing as a BLM protestor while shooting at a police station during the George Floyd protests:
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/09/30/texas-man-24-admits-shooting-at-minneapolis-police-station-during-riot

Why, oh why didn't I buy stock in popcorn?

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1424 on: October 01, 2021, 09:17:04 PM »
Is there even one person in the US that will trust Dominion with their voting again?

They better hope Giuliani doesnt declare bankruptcy cause they are gonna need that money.
I'm sure Tubesnake would trust them with his vote, and his wife as well.

Can we leave significant others out of this? I'm not dragging your crusty second-hand fleshlight (in Donald Trump orange) into this political discussion, am I?