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[Ghostmaker]

Since the machine could not boot from the drive because of the password protected bios configuration, it is frankly not relevant.
Is there a simple explanation?  Sure.  Maricopa County does use use the ballot image feature and it's a huge county. 
It is certainly possible that a older drive was installed for the additional space requirements.  And the default format was done which
formats the data partition which does not remove the boot sector partition.  Or maybe they just deleted the files on the disk.

By the way the boot sector can be read to determine exactly where and what would be booted. 
That CyberNinjas found this and did not investigate further reveals two possibilities...
1) They are incompetent.  Nah.. they found the boot sector, so not that incompetent..
2) They actually did and found out the boot sector pointed to a non-existent system on the same drive, followed by...
2a) They chose to insinuate something, but not to reveal it goes nowhere.

...Are you serious?

This is grasping at straws here on your part. At the very LEAST it bespeaks an astonishing naivete on your part, and gross mismanagement in Arizona elections.

You haven't really responded to to what I've pointed out above.
I'm not exactly sure what you think my naivete is or how exactly am I "grasping at straws".
Apparently you have some idea of what that boot sector pointed to and how it was used to "undermine the election".
Care to elaborate?

The existence of such hardware inside a system, where it should not be there, is a gigantic red flag.

I'm not sure how to make this more clear. If you are dealing with a system that must have clear-cut parameters in a critical role, like elections, any deviation from those parameters should garner intense scrutiny.

BTW Maricopa County machines had already been previously audited post-election by two different companies in February 2021.
https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66844/Post-Audit-Report
https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66843/SLI-Compliance-Forensic-Audit-Report

So either the Cyber Ninjas just delivered a falsified report or Maricopa delivered a falsified one (that first report is particularly funny, as it's got zero depth; I'm still reviewing the second one).

Considering how Maricopa County fought tooth and nail, up to and including blowing off court subpoenas, against outside audits? I have some suspicions as to who's lying.

[Tubesock Army]

Since the machine could not boot from the drive because of the password protected bios configuration, it is frankly not relevant.
Is there a simple explanation?  Sure.  Maricopa County does use use the ballot image feature and it's a huge county. 
It is certainly possible that a older drive was installed for the additional space requirements.  And the default format was done which
formats the data partition which does not remove the boot sector partition.  Or maybe they just deleted the files on the disk.

By the way the boot sector can be read to determine exactly where and what would be booted. 
That CyberNinjas found this and did not investigate further reveals two possibilities...
1) They are incompetent.  Nah.. they found the boot sector, so not that incompetent..
2) They actually did and found out the boot sector pointed to a non-existent system on the same drive, followed by...
2a) They chose to insinuate something, but not to reveal it goes nowhere.

...Are you serious?

This is grasping at straws here on your part. At the very LEAST it bespeaks an astonishing naivete on your part, and gross mismanagement in Arizona elections.

You haven't really responded to to what I've pointed out above.
I'm not exactly sure what you think my naivete is or how exactly am I "grasping at straws".
Apparently you have some idea of what that boot sector pointed to and how it was used to "undermine the election".
Care to elaborate?

The existence of such hardware inside a system, where it should not be there, is a gigantic red flag.

I'm not sure how to make this more clear. If you are dealing with a system that must have clear-cut parameters in a critical role, like elections, any deviation from those parameters should garner intense scrutiny.

BTW Maricopa County machines had already been previously audited post-election by two different companies in February 2021.
https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66844/Post-Audit-Report
https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66843/SLI-Compliance-Forensic-Audit-Report

So either the Cyber Ninjas just delivered a falsified report or Maricopa delivered a falsified one (that first report is particularly funny, as it's got zero depth; I'm still reviewing the second one).

Considering how Maricopa County fought tooth and nail, up to and including blowing off court subpoenas, against outside audits? I have some suspicions as to who's lying.

Maricopa County did, in fact, comply with subpoenas. For anyone who's interested in the actual facts, here's a handy debunking page:
https://recorder.maricopa.gov/justthefacts/

It's really sad to watch people dig in deeper, despite being proven wrong over and over. Trump Derangement Syndrome, indeed.

[Ghostmaker]

Since the machine could not boot from the drive because of the password protected bios configuration, it is frankly not relevant.
Is there a simple explanation?  Sure.  Maricopa County does use use the ballot image feature and it's a huge county. 
It is certainly possible that a older drive was installed for the additional space requirements.  And the default format was done which
formats the data partition which does not remove the boot sector partition.  Or maybe they just deleted the files on the disk.

By the way the boot sector can be read to determine exactly where and what would be booted. 
That CyberNinjas found this and did not investigate further reveals two possibilities...
1) They are incompetent.  Nah.. they found the boot sector, so not that incompetent..
2) They actually did and found out the boot sector pointed to a non-existent system on the same drive, followed by...
2a) They chose to insinuate something, but not to reveal it goes nowhere.

...Are you serious?

This is grasping at straws here on your part. At the very LEAST it bespeaks an astonishing naivete on your part, and gross mismanagement in Arizona elections.

You haven't really responded to to what I've pointed out above.
I'm not exactly sure what you think my naivete is or how exactly am I "grasping at straws".
Apparently you have some idea of what that boot sector pointed to and how it was used to "undermine the election".
Care to elaborate?

The existence of such hardware inside a system, where it should not be there, is a gigantic red flag.

I'm not sure how to make this more clear. If you are dealing with a system that must have clear-cut parameters in a critical role, like elections, any deviation from those parameters should garner intense scrutiny.

BTW Maricopa County machines had already been previously audited post-election by two different companies in February 2021.
https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66844/Post-Audit-Report
https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66843/SLI-Compliance-Forensic-Audit-Report

So either the Cyber Ninjas just delivered a falsified report or Maricopa delivered a falsified one (that first report is particularly funny, as it's got zero depth; I'm still reviewing the second one).

Considering how Maricopa County fought tooth and nail, up to and including blowing off court subpoenas, against outside audits? I have some suspicions as to who's lying.

Maricopa County did, in fact, comply with subpoenas. For anyone who's interested in the actual facts, here's a handy debunking page:
https://recorder.maricopa.gov/justthefacts/

It's really sad to watch people dig in deeper, despite being proven wrong over and over. Trump Derangement Syndrome, indeed.

I defer to your clearly greater case of TDS.

Especially as routers, poll worker laptops, ICX devices, validation credentials (ICP), and other devices were NOT turned over despite subpoenas and Maricopa's sweaty insistences. How long are you going to insist the emperor has clothes when he clearly does not?

I understand how desperate you are to 'deboonk' this. If nothing else it shines a very large light on some serious, systemic problems in elections. Why, people might start asking harder questions about who votes, and who's counting the votes.

[Tubesock Army]

Since the machine could not boot from the drive because of the password protected bios configuration, it is frankly not relevant.
Is there a simple explanation?  Sure.  Maricopa County does use use the ballot image feature and it's a huge county. 
It is certainly possible that a older drive was installed for the additional space requirements.  And the default format was done which
formats the data partition which does not remove the boot sector partition.  Or maybe they just deleted the files on the disk.

By the way the boot sector can be read to determine exactly where and what would be booted. 
That CyberNinjas found this and did not investigate further reveals two possibilities...
1) They are incompetent.  Nah.. they found the boot sector, so not that incompetent..
2) They actually did and found out the boot sector pointed to a non-existent system on the same drive, followed by...
2a) They chose to insinuate something, but not to reveal it goes nowhere.

...Are you serious?

This is grasping at straws here on your part. At the very LEAST it bespeaks an astonishing naivete on your part, and gross mismanagement in Arizona elections.

You haven't really responded to to what I've pointed out above.
I'm not exactly sure what you think my naivete is or how exactly am I "grasping at straws".
Apparently you have some idea of what that boot sector pointed to and how it was used to "undermine the election".
Care to elaborate?

The existence of such hardware inside a system, where it should not be there, is a gigantic red flag.

I'm not sure how to make this more clear. If you are dealing with a system that must have clear-cut parameters in a critical role, like elections, any deviation from those parameters should garner intense scrutiny.

BTW Maricopa County machines had already been previously audited post-election by two different companies in February 2021.
https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66844/Post-Audit-Report
https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66843/SLI-Compliance-Forensic-Audit-Report

So either the Cyber Ninjas just delivered a falsified report or Maricopa delivered a falsified one (that first report is particularly funny, as it's got zero depth; I'm still reviewing the second one).

Considering how Maricopa County fought tooth and nail, up to and including blowing off court subpoenas, against outside audits? I have some suspicions as to who's lying.

Maricopa County did, in fact, comply with subpoenas. For anyone who's interested in the actual facts, here's a handy debunking page:
https://recorder.maricopa.gov/justthefacts/

It's really sad to watch people dig in deeper, despite being proven wrong over and over. Trump Derangement Syndrome, indeed.

I defer to your clearly greater case of TDS.

Especially as routers, poll worker laptops, ICX devices, validation credentials (ICP), and other devices were NOT turned over despite subpoenas and Maricopa's sweaty insistences. How long are you going to insist the emperor has clothes when he clearly does not?

I understand how desperate you are to 'deboonk' this. If nothing else it shines a very large light on some serious, systemic problems in elections. Why, people might start asking harder questions about who votes, and who's counting the votes.

That must be why the GOP has refused to pass any election security bills. You're right about the symptom, but you're wrong about the cause. Discussions about election integrity should have become - and remained - front and center of American politics after the fiasco of the 2000 election.

As for being desperate, my side is - and has been - winning this at every level. If anyone is desperate, it's not my side. We haven't had to resort to increasingly ridiculous strategies in order to give the illusion of "proving" an absurd and patently false narrative to a bunch of rubes. We just keep winning. At the ballot box, in court, even at the end of this "audit".

And since you've offered nothing but ad hominems, I'll take my point that you can't refute anything on Maricopa County's Mythbusters page as proven.

[Ghostmaker]

Since the machine could not boot from the drive because of the password protected bios configuration, it is frankly not relevant.
Is there a simple explanation?  Sure.  Maricopa County does use use the ballot image feature and it's a huge county. 
It is certainly possible that a older drive was installed for the additional space requirements.  And the default format was done which
formats the data partition which does not remove the boot sector partition.  Or maybe they just deleted the files on the disk.

By the way the boot sector can be read to determine exactly where and what would be booted. 
That CyberNinjas found this and did not investigate further reveals two possibilities...
1) They are incompetent.  Nah.. they found the boot sector, so not that incompetent..
2) They actually did and found out the boot sector pointed to a non-existent system on the same drive, followed by...
2a) They chose to insinuate something, but not to reveal it goes nowhere.

...Are you serious?

This is grasping at straws here on your part. At the very LEAST it bespeaks an astonishing naivete on your part, and gross mismanagement in Arizona elections.

You haven't really responded to to what I've pointed out above.
I'm not exactly sure what you think my naivete is or how exactly am I "grasping at straws".
Apparently you have some idea of what that boot sector pointed to and how it was used to "undermine the election".
Care to elaborate?

The existence of such hardware inside a system, where it should not be there, is a gigantic red flag.

I'm not sure how to make this more clear. If you are dealing with a system that must have clear-cut parameters in a critical role, like elections, any deviation from those parameters should garner intense scrutiny.

BTW Maricopa County machines had already been previously audited post-election by two different companies in February 2021.
https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66844/Post-Audit-Report
https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/66843/SLI-Compliance-Forensic-Audit-Report

So either the Cyber Ninjas just delivered a falsified report or Maricopa delivered a falsified one (that first report is particularly funny, as it's got zero depth; I'm still reviewing the second one).

Considering how Maricopa County fought tooth and nail, up to and including blowing off court subpoenas, against outside audits? I have some suspicions as to who's lying.

Maricopa County did, in fact, comply with subpoenas. For anyone who's interested in the actual facts, here's a handy debunking page:
https://recorder.maricopa.gov/justthefacts/

It's really sad to watch people dig in deeper, despite being proven wrong over and over. Trump Derangement Syndrome, indeed.

I defer to your clearly greater case of TDS.

Especially as routers, poll worker laptops, ICX devices, validation credentials (ICP), and other devices were NOT turned over despite subpoenas and Maricopa's sweaty insistences. How long are you going to insist the emperor has clothes when he clearly does not?

I understand how desperate you are to 'deboonk' this. If nothing else it shines a very large light on some serious, systemic problems in elections. Why, people might start asking harder questions about who votes, and who's counting the votes.

That must be why the GOP has refused to pass any election security bills. You're right about the symptom, but you're wrong about the cause. Discussions about election integrity should have become - and remained - front and center of American politics after the fiasco of the 2000 election.

Funny, the Dems shit their pants when Texas and Georgia started tightening things up.

Maybe you think this is a federal issue, in which case -- oh wait, supposedly the Democrats are in power.

As for being desperate, my side is - and has been - winning this at every level. If anyone is desperate, it's not my side. We haven't had to resort to increasingly ridiculous strategies in order to give the illusion of "proving" an absurd and patently false narrative to a bunch of rubes. We just keep winning. At the ballot box, in court, even at the end of this "audit".

Yawn. The only thing you've won is a booby prize, what with your incoherent, senile standard bearer causing more problems domestic and foreign than Trump could in a hundred years.

But keep slurping the copium, I'm sure that 40% approval rating is just evil fake news.

And since you've offered nothing but ad hominems, I'll take my point that you can't refute anything on Maricopa County's Mythbusters page as proven.

Bitch, I posted the link to the CN audit hearing. I've posted caps from it. I've straight up said 'Someone here is lying' and my suspicions as to who it is, judging by past actions.

But since you think this is nothing but 'ad hominems', you won't mind if I send your sorry ass back to the cornfield.

Remember, though: the left spent most of 2019-2020 insisting Hunter Biden's laptop was 'fake news'... only to finally admit it wasn't recently.

What else are they gonna have to admit to?

[Ghostmaker]

And since a lot of people have trouble reading, let's bring in Larry 'My Second Job Was Auditing and Accounting' Correia to discuss the audit!

https://monsterhunternation.com/2021/09/27/people-really-dont-understand-how-audits-work-and-the-media-likes-it-that-way/

[jhkim]

The existence of such hardware inside a system, where it should not be there, is a gigantic red flag.

I'm not sure how to make this more clear. If you are dealing with a system that must have clear-cut parameters in a critical role, like elections, any deviation from those parameters should garner intense scrutiny.

Isn't intense scrutiny the whole point of the audit? Overall, the spokesperson for the audit (Pullen) said it didn't look like there was massive fraud. Should there be prosecutions based on the audit? Should there be a second audit? What do you see as the path forward?

[Tubesock Army]

And since a lot of people have trouble reading, let's bring in Larry 'My Second Job Was Auditing and Accounting' Correia to discuss the audit!

https://monsterhunternation.com/2021/09/27/people-really-dont-understand-how-audits-work-and-the-media-likes-it-that-way/

And still the best he can come up with is "maybe, possibly, perhaps".

When you have to resort to hypotheticals to support your position, your position is probably garbage.

He can't - or won't - say there has been fraud.

You told me to huff some copium, but I don't think you left any for anyone else.

This is only gonna get funnier once Dominion runs through Trump's former legal team like Grant ran through Richmond.

[Ghostmaker]

The existence of such hardware inside a system, where it should not be there, is a gigantic red flag.

I'm not sure how to make this more clear. If you are dealing with a system that must have clear-cut parameters in a critical role, like elections, any deviation from those parameters should garner intense scrutiny.

Isn't intense scrutiny the whole point of the audit? Overall, the spokesperson for the audit (Pullen) said it didn't look like there was massive fraud. Should there be prosecutions based on the audit? Should there be a second audit? What do you see as the path forward?

When did he say that?

Because the audit identified over 86 thousand voters that don't seem to actually exist.

Considering the margin of victory in AZ, I would say that's pretty serious fraud.

[jhkim]

When did he say that?

Because the audit identified over 86 thousand voters that don't seem to actually exist.

Considering the margin of victory in AZ, I would say that's pretty serious fraud.

I quoted him in my reply #1364,

https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/live-coverage-of-rally-for-president-trump-in-dc!-01062021/msg1189787/#msg1189787

Here's what I see. The news report linked below contains the leaked copy of the draft report. The final report is supposed to be released today, but I haven't seen a site where it can be downloaded yet.

"What has been found is both encouraging and alarming. On the positive side there were no substantial differences between the hand count of the ballots provided and the official canvass results for the county," the draft states.

Pullen confirmed that the hand recount was "relatively close" to the official tally.

"Was there massive fraud or anything? It doesn't look like it," he added.

However, the draft report raises concerns about the county's elections systems and record-keeping, and accuses Maricopa County officials of stonewalling their effort to perform "a complete audit."

"Had Maricopa County chosen to cooperate with the audit, the majority of these obstacles would have easily been overcome," the report states.

Source: https://kjzz.org/content/1719314/arizona-election-audit-confirms-bidens-win-maricopa-county-also-casts-doubts

[Ghostmaker]

When did he say that?

Because the audit identified over 86 thousand voters that don't seem to actually exist.

Considering the margin of victory in AZ, I would say that's pretty serious fraud.

I quoted him in my reply #1364,

https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/live-coverage-of-rally-for-president-trump-in-dc!-01062021/msg1189787/#msg1189787

Here's what I see. The news report linked below contains the leaked copy of the draft report. The final report is supposed to be released today, but I haven't seen a site where it can be downloaded yet.

"What has been found is both encouraging and alarming. On the positive side there were no substantial differences between the hand count of the ballots provided and the official canvass results for the county," the draft states.

Pullen confirmed that the hand recount was "relatively close" to the official tally.

"Was there massive fraud or anything? It doesn't look like it," he added.

However, the draft report raises concerns about the county's elections systems and record-keeping, and accuses Maricopa County officials of stonewalling their effort to perform "a complete audit."

"Had Maricopa County chosen to cooperate with the audit, the majority of these obstacles would have easily been overcome," the report states.

Source: https://kjzz.org/content/1719314/arizona-election-audit-confirms-bidens-win-maricopa-county-also-casts-doubts

I'm suspicious as hell about the provenance of the quote, because he's referencing the 'official' count and the canvass results. IIRC, those aren't in question.

What's in question is the provenance of the ballots themselves, and there's a LOT of problems there.

[Mistwell]

When did he say that?

Because the audit identified over 86 thousand voters that don't seem to actually exist.

No, it didn't.

But, you knew that.

From USA Today:

Local media outlets and elections officials have also refuted the report's claim that there were more than 96,000 "ghost votes" in Maricopa County.

The claim is based on data from 3,606 registered voters whom Maricopa County indicated had voted in the election, 2,897 of them by mail. Of that group, Harris and her volunteers found 164 mail-in voters who were "unknown to the resident or known but having moved prior to the election registration deadline."

"This represents 5.66% of all mail-in voters on which data was gathered," reads the report. "Overall, there were 1,702,981 mail-in votes tallied by the in (sic) the election. Extrapolating these results to the entire county, which can be done at a scientifically correlated confidence level of 95%, it is estimated that 96,389 mail-in ballots should not have been cast due to this issue."

Data collection issues aside [The article spends a great deal of time elsewhere explaining how the data collection is deeply flawed and nothing close to a random sample], the only examples Harris gave in the report didn't check out.

The original cover photo of the report claimed to show a "vacant lot ... that cast two mail-in ballots." But both Stephen Richer, the Republican recorder of Maricopa County, and Garrett Archer, a data analyst for KNXV-TV, found a home that had been on that site since 2005, according to records from the Maricopa County Assessor's Office.

Harris later changed the cover photo to show another vacant lot that purportedly cast a mail-in vote in 2020. But that example was quickly debunked, too.

"There is a valid registered voter at that address and a mobile home park in December of 2019," Archer tweeted Sept. 8.

After reaching out to the Maricopa County Elections Department, Archer wrote in a follow-up tweet that the lot was "a mobile home park in 2020 before it was demolished" and the voter in question "requested the ballot be sent to a temporary address."

Election data reported by KNXV-TV indicates 2,089,756 voters were checked in and 2,089,563 ballots were counted in Maricopa County during the election. The discrepancy is due to rare occurrences like mail-in votes not containing ballots, elections officials told the TV station.

"It is irresponsible and silly to claim 100,000+ errors and offer only 2 alleged inaccuracies, both of which are easily debunked," Richer tweeted Sept. 8.

[Tubesock Army]

Livestock dewormer is a helluva drug

[Mistwell]

Livestock dewormer is a helluva drug

That's not an honest view on that particular drug. In fact it's doing serious damage to a reputable drug which was hailed by the Noble committee as saving thousands of human lives. I don't know why this one got politicized like it did, but it's a shitty thing to perpetuate it. Saying "It's not effective against Covid" is different from saying "It's just a livestock dewormer!" when it is definitely a human drug.

[jhkim]

When did he say that?

Because the audit identified over 86 thousand voters that don't seem to actually exist.

Considering the margin of victory in AZ, I would say that's pretty serious fraud.

I quoted him in my reply #1364,

https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/live-coverage-of-rally-for-president-trump-in-dc!-01062021/msg1189787/#msg1189787

Here's what I see. The news report linked below contains the leaked copy of the draft report. The final report is supposed to be released today, but I haven't seen a site where it can be downloaded yet.

"What has been found is both encouraging and alarming. On the positive side there were no substantial differences between the hand count of the ballots provided and the official canvass results for the county," the draft states.

Pullen confirmed that the hand recount was "relatively close" to the official tally.

"Was there massive fraud or anything? It doesn't look like it," he added.

However, the draft report raises concerns about the county's elections systems and record-keeping, and accuses Maricopa County officials of stonewalling their effort to perform "a complete audit."

"Had Maricopa County chosen to cooperate with the audit, the majority of these obstacles would have easily been overcome," the report states.

Source: https://kjzz.org/content/1719314/arizona-election-audit-confirms-bidens-win-maricopa-county-also-casts-doubts

I'm suspicious as hell about the provenance of the quote, because he's referencing the 'official' count and the canvass results. IIRC, those aren't in question.

What's in question is the provenance of the ballots themselves, and there's a LOT of problems there.

The quote has been reported in a lot of places, but I suspect you won't trust the other sources any more than KJZZ. Still, it's widely reported, so I would think that if Pullen didn't say it, then he would publicly respond that the quote was falsified. I haven't seen any such denial - but if you do, I'd be willing to believe it.

That still leaves the previous question - if you think that the discrepancies need further scrutiny, then what do you think the next steps should be?

I still haven't read the full report, but from what I saw, the report is recommending legislative changes - but it doesn't seem to be calling for criminal investigation or lawsuits. If there is substantial evidence of fraud, then I would say the proper thing is that a criminal investigation be opened.