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[HappyDaze]

It's all bullshit. From top to bottom, there is so much going wrong with the whole situation.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Or, one could say, the claims are all bullshit from top to bottom.

Ah, yes, the old "I have a feeling" standard of irrefutable proof...

How many court decisions would I have to cite to come to a standard you would accept?

[moonsweeper]

For those who support claims of election fraud, has there been any additional evidence in the last few months?

I'm seeing some news about the election audit in Maricopa County Arizona, where they're searching for things like fraudulent ballot paper - but it sounds like they haven't turned up anything. What would be the best source to go to for the strongest claims?

Update on Antrim County, MI.

1. Apparently someone connected a laptop to the intranet that the machines were hooked to allowing access over the web and left it connected during the election.
2. Unnecessary database management software was added to the machines just before the election.
3. The log data was intentionally deleted manually to hide whoever logged in...the big deal here is that the log files from previous elections are still on the machines, only the Nov 3, 2020 access logs are gone...

I see that is the claim in the lawsuit, but I note that Antrim County also performed a hand recount of the results, which did not reveal any such fraud.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/12/17/antrim-county-hand-tally-certified-election-results/3937898001/

This alone is sufficient to reasonably prove the election results. Regarding the voting machine tallies... As I understand it, those are claims being made in the lawsuit by security analyst Russell Ramsland. However, Ramsland is also the one who made this affidavit,

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.283580/gov.uscourts.gand.283580.7.1_2.pdf

That affidavit has easily verifiable falsehoods, notably on page 3, where it reports on a bunch of Michigan counties that simply do not exist. Given this affidavit, I would consider Ramsland to clearly not be a believable witness.

So how much of these claims are simply on the word of Russell Ramsland, and how much is verified by others (and if so, how reliable are they)?

EDITED TO ADD: The Michigan state investigation into the preliminary miscount in Antrim County was released on March 26. It includes a response to Ramsland's allegations, starting on page 40 of the report.

https://ftt-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/29140718/Antrim.pdf

You asked what was going on...I mentioned the most recent stuff I had seen about Antrim Co.  Apparently you are more aware of the situation there than a lot of people so why did you bother asking? 

[jhkim]

You asked what was going on...I mentioned the most recent stuff I had seen about Antrim Co.  Apparently you are more aware of the situation there than a lot of people so why did you bother asking? 

I didn't know about updates before you posted. I only knew about what happened Antrim County back in November/December, and other background like Ramsland's prior affadavit.

After I saw your post, I searched on the topic and posted what I found. For example, I didn't previously know that Ramsland was involved in the audit in Antrim County. I think that was revealed earlier this year.

[Shasarak]

How many court decisions would I have to cite to come to a standard you would accept?

Since court decisions also supported things like the Jim Crow laws, then I assume that 1 court decision would be enough.

[Brad]

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20706832-5-12-21-letter-to-maricopa-county-board-1

Very interesting...

[Shasarak]

For those who support claims of election fraud, has there been any additional evidence in the last few months?

I'm seeing some news about the election audit in Maricopa County Arizona, where they're searching for things like fraudulent ballot paper - but it sounds like they haven't turned up anything. What would be the best source to go to for the strongest claims?

jhkim, you have been following this election debacle closely so you would be able to tell me who audited the signature match.

I mean that has been debunked, right?

Things seem to get real quiet when talking about signature matching.

[oggsmash]

For those who support claims of election fraud, has there been any additional evidence in the last few months?

I'm seeing some news about the election audit in Maricopa County Arizona, where they're searching for things like fraudulent ballot paper - but it sounds like they haven't turned up anything. What would be the best source to go to for the strongest claims?

jhkim, you have been following this election debacle closely so you would be able to tell me who audited the signature match.

I mean that has been debunked, right?

Things seem to get real quiet when talking about signature matching.

  One side effect of doing a mass mailing of ballots, is everyone's signature matching goes up exponentially compared to prior comparisons of absentee ballots.  I think what must have happened is everyone worked extra hard on signing their names during lockdown, thus the much lower percentages of rejected ballots.

[KingCheops]

For those who support claims of election fraud, has there been any additional evidence in the last few months?

I'm seeing some news about the election audit in Maricopa County Arizona, where they're searching for things like fraudulent ballot paper - but it sounds like they haven't turned up anything. What would be the best source to go to for the strongest claims?

jhkim, you have been following this election debacle closely so you would be able to tell me who audited the signature match.

I mean that has been debunked, right?

Things seem to get real quiet when talking about signature matching.

  One side effect of doing a mass mailing of ballots, is everyone's signature matching goes up exponentially compared to prior comparisons of absentee ballots.  I think what must have happened is everyone worked extra hard on signing their names during lockdown, thus the much lower percentages of rejected ballots.

If we require signature matching we'll disenfranchise all the doctors.  Won't anyone think of the poor doctors!  Maybe Pharmacists should be the ones verifying the signatures?

Get it?  Because doctors have bad handwriting.  Nudge nudge. <rim shot>  Thank you and try the veal!

[DocJones]

For those who support claims of election fraud, has there been any additional evidence in the last few months?

I've carefully logged about a dozen conspiracy theories, most of them contradictory, although there are quite a few numbskulls who believe all of them.
The only thing that has any legs at all so far are the hundreds of votes cast from people from non-existent addresses in Vegas and Detroit that Steven Crowder and team carefully documented.  However that isn't enough to have altered any national let alone local elections.

I'm seeing some news about the election audit in Maricopa County Arizona, where they're searching for things like fraudulent ballot paper - but it sounds like they haven't turned up anything. What would be the best source to go to for the strongest claims?

It's all bull crap and speculation until the audit actually ends and produces a report.  Even then it may be bull crap like the hilarious Russel Ramsland ASOG "audit" of Antrim county, MI.  I'm optimistic because Cyber Ninjas similar audit of Antrim County, MI was much more accurate.

[DocJones]

I see that is the claim in the lawsuit, but I note that Antrim County also performed a hand recount of the results, which did not reveal any such fraud.

That's the bottom line.   All of the ballots were hand counted in December and matched the machine results that were certified in November.
Almost every elected official in this county include those running precincts, judges is a Republican including the county clerk.
The county clerk discovered an error and corrected it..  and yet the conspiracy theories rage on.
 

As I understand it, those are claims being made in the lawsuit by security analyst Russell Ramsland. However, Ramsland is also the one who made this affidavit,

Russel James Ramsland is a complete fraud.   He is not a security analysist.  He has a degree in political science.  He created a fake corporate website on November 7th, 2020 and there is no evidence the ASOG corporation ever did any work for any client.
That said four other companies did forensic audits of Antrim County machines.

[Ghostmaker]

What I find fascinating is how Democrats/leftists reacted. No 'Hey, if you wanna waste your time and money, go for it'. Nope, they sent Mark Elias of Perkins Coie out there, and that to me is a HUGE red flag. Perkins Coie is a Democrat legal firm used for hatchet jobs and lawfare. You don't bust those guys out for piddly shit.

[KingCheops]

What I find surprising is people who follow politics and still think Trump and the Republicans are one and the same.  Just because there's a Republican in charge of the county with the alleged cheating doesn't mean that they weren't involved in the cheating.  When you have a faction within the party that wants rid of him as bad as the DemonKKKrats they have just as much incentive to cheat.

That being said if CyberNinjas are allowed to complete the audit without any further shenanigans and they do come back saying it was a clean win then I'm willing to relent and admit it was a clean win.

It still boggles my mind how fucking Canada can have better elections than the US.  We're not a serious country anymore and even we laugh and point at you guys.

[Brad]

Imagine claiming it's "all a conspiracy!" while county officials are turning off ballot imaging to avoid having to provide evidence to an actual audit. Just imagine that.

If you don't think something fucked up is going on, you're literally a moron. There is no other explanation.

[KingCheops]

Imagine claiming it's "all a conspiracy!" while county officials are turning off ballot imaging to avoid having to provide evidence to an actual audit. Just imagine that.

If you don't think something fucked up is going on, you're literally a moron. There is no other explanation.

I know and they try to claim that folks on the right are the crazy conspiracy nuts.  As if they haven't been drinking the BlueAnon kool aid for 5 years now.

[jhkim]

What I find surprising is people who follow politics and still think Trump and the Republicans are one and the same.  Just because there's a Republican in charge of the county with the alleged cheating doesn't mean that they weren't involved in the cheating.  When you have a faction within the party that wants rid of him as bad as the DemonKKKrats they have just as much incentive to cheat.

That being said if CyberNinjas are allowed to complete the audit without any further shenanigans and they do come back saying it was a clean win then I'm willing to relent and admit it was a clean win.

It still boggles my mind how fucking Canada can have better elections than the US.  We're not a serious country anymore and even we laugh and point at you guys.

Thank you for having an open mind about the investigation. Do you have an opinion about CyFIR, which is another of the companies hired in the audit? I say because the latest I see is this:

A firm that is conducting a controversial election audit in Arizona confirmed Tuesday that no data has been destroyed, contradicting some Republicans' claims that officials had deleted information regarding the vote tally in Maricopa County.

Ben Cotton, founder of CyFIR LLC, which is working on the audit, said he had retrieved all the data he needs from Arizona's largest county, which President Biden won in November. The remark came a day after county officials said auditors could not find the information because they did not know where it was located.

Source: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/554250-firms-behind-arizona-election-audit-reverse-say-no-data-was-destroyed

Also,

Maricopa County officials explained and auditors acknowledged Tuesday, those conducting the audit had made a technical mistake and the database was never deleted.

Maricopa County Recorder Stephen Richer, a Republican, and the county's Board of Supervisors -- four of five of whom are Republicans -- responded to the claims with a scathing letter Monday that laid out a series of mistakes auditors had made. Among them: They had not properly reconstructed the RAID storage array used by the county when creating copies of the hard drives, which left them unable to access files that otherwise would have been readily accessible.

Ben Cotton, the founder of CyFIR, one of the companies involved in the Arizona Senate's audit, said in the closed hearing held by Senate Republicans on Tuesday that the county's explanation was right.

Source: https://www.kctv5.com/arizona-auditors-now-say-voter-data-is-intact-after-sparking-gop-feud/article_cb46fddc-790e-5f2c-8f14-bef769d95710.html

This is from the Board of Supervisor's technical letter on the data:

The purpose of this memo is to document the analysis that the Elections Department and Recorder Office's Information Technology Teams performed in response Senate President Karen Fann's letter dated May 12, 2021 (Senate President Fann's Letter). The focus of the analysis was on Item II (Chain of Custody and Ballot Organization) and Item III (Election Management System Database).

The analysis found that Maricopa County did not spoil any evidence and the issues identified in Senate President Fann's Letter are either incorrect or that there is a reasonable and valid explanation that addresses the issue.

Source: https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/68971/Final-Technical-Response-Letter-with-Exhibits-5172021

I don't consider this the final word, but I would want to compare this to the allegation that the data was deleted, and see a response, if any.