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Author Topic: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021  (Read 19971 times)


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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #406 on: January 13, 2021, 04:57:14 PM »
Donald Trump impeached, a second time, for inciting the insurrection discussed in this thread. Ten Republicans overcame the fear gripping so many in their caucus to vote for it.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #407 on: January 13, 2021, 05:00:33 PM »
I doubt it will go beyond a symbolic gesture. The Senate will slap it down.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #408 on: January 13, 2021, 05:18:56 PM »
I doubt it will go beyond a symbolic gesture. The Senate will slap it down.

I think that’s the point.  It’s a political strategy.  They want to force Republicans to vote innocent. 

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #409 on: January 13, 2021, 05:33:35 PM »
I know. We'll see if that's a strategy that pays out. I know most sane people are angry at Trump, but this could come across like a political ploy (which for Pelosi, I'm sure it is). It's not going to make people suddenly start voting democratic in droves. Just my two.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #410 on: January 13, 2021, 05:45:43 PM »
I know. We'll see if that's a strategy that pays out. I know most sane people are angry at Trump, but this could come across like a political ploy (which for Pelosi, I'm sure it is). It's not going to make people suddenly start voting democratic in droves. Just my two.

My impression was that Bill Clinton's impeachment trial did reduce his approval rating, mostly by keeping testimony about his questionable actions in the news for week after week. Though Clinton was at a very high approval rating at the time the trial started, so the situation is quite different. That also seemed like political theater, in that there was no possibility of getting two-thirds of the Senate. At least with Andrew Johnson, the Senate was very close to confirming impeachment (just one vote short).

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #411 on: January 13, 2021, 05:55:32 PM »
Regarding social media responsibility:

No, online platforms should NOT be responsible for anything anyone posts in their site, and they are NOT good at detecting and shutting down copyrighted material precisely because they consistently shut down fair-use of music and other media. It is not the role of tech companies (or of self-entitled users within their platforms going after people they personally don't like) to make legal determinations about ANYTHING. They're not lawyers, they're not legal scholars or judges or law enforcement and have NO role in the government or legal procedures. These are NOT functions that fall within the purview of fucking monopolistic tech giants. It is not their job and they are not properly equipped to determine whether or not a supposed "tHrEaT oF vIolEnCe" or any other questionable post is legally actionable material. That is the job of the FBI, or equivalent agencies when it comes to users outside of the US. It's supposed to be THEM who make that determination, not our self-appointed tech overlords. That is why section 230 exists, and their insistence on stepping beyond their bounds is precisely why we're on this mess.

What do you think about Trump's calls to remove Section 230 protections for social media?

https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/23/trump-ndaa-veto-section-230/

Guy's an idiot who's just repeating what some people said about removing section 230 protections from big tech companies that insist on acting like publishers without looking into what section 230 does. I mean, the guy was a better choice than Biden, but he's not perfect. Section 230 should be reformed so that section 230 still exists, but any company that behaves like publishers lose their protections but the rest of the internet keeps theirs. But outright removing section 230 rather than reforming it would be disastrous for the internet as we know it.

I'm not sure exactly where I stand on how to reform Section 230, but I do think that it is *not* simply the purview of the FBI and police to handle all lawbreaking. Citizens have a responsibility to report crime and not participate in it.

For example, someone tells me a slanderous rumor about someone else - I then write it up and send it to a newspaper, which prints it. I think both I and the newspaper have some responsibility here - both legally and ethically. Just mindlessly repeating what one is told is wrong. People should be responsible for what they say and publish. That is a standard that newspapers are held to, but social media companies get a special legal loophole.

I mean, I'm not hot about people ratting out other people for petty crimes. I'd never call the cops on someone for using drugs, for example. Victimless "crimes" are none of my business as far as I'm concerned. But any serious crimes need to be reported.

The stuff about newspapers is a tricky business, though, cuz it's one thing for some random person to idly speculate about potentially slanderous stuff down the street, or even in social media. It's another thing for a newspaper or other news publishers with broad reach and credibility to just run with it and publish it as fact, as they often seem to do (particularly when discussing broad groups of people, like GamerGate or Trump supporters, as opposed to specific individuals, where "slander" would more properly apply legally speaking from what I understand). People have a right to discuss potentially false or inaccurate stuff, particularly since no one has perfect knowledge of every topic, so they might simply be wrong or just speculating about something. But when "authoritative" sources disseminate false claims to a credulous public it becomes an issue because they may take it as fact. But they might not take as fact something some random anonymous guy told them in social media one time.

That said, I'm not eager for social media companies to be the determiners of truth. *If* we give them a legal loophole to avoid responsibility, though, then there need to be strings attached that make the social media more functionally public and allowing of free speech.

Pretty much agree.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #412 on: January 13, 2021, 06:03:12 PM »
Calling for peaceful and law abiding protest is insurrection.
I hope Trump runs again in 2024 and wins, and I hope the populists give the "progressive" Democrats and thier crony Republican allies four years of hell.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #413 on: January 13, 2021, 06:06:13 PM »
The government broke up big oil and ma bell over monopoly issues. Maybe it's time to consider something similar for these social media megacorps.
Maybe?
Consider???
Now?
Who? What government?! The one who is now enjoying incredible power thanks to these same tech monopolies?

The guys who might have done it hemmed and hawed for four years, while their allies and supporters were hunted down one by one.

Now it is too late. The proverbial "good people" (in this respect, at least) did nothing, and Evil has won. It will be a long, dark night that follows.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #414 on: January 13, 2021, 06:09:01 PM »
Donald Trump impeached, a second time, for inciting the insurrection discussed in this thread. Ten Republicans overcame the fear gripping so many in their caucus to vote for it.

I guess that makes Trump the first president in history to have been impeached twice for completely bullshit and baseless reasons fabricated by his political opponents. Democrats will continue to get the world that they have created.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #415 on: January 13, 2021, 06:14:50 PM »
Reeeemix!

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #416 on: January 13, 2021, 06:16:45 PM »
Holy Shit!

Rolling Stone magazine still covers music?

Of all the unbelievable things said in this thread, that's the most unbelievable.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #417 on: January 13, 2021, 06:19:56 PM »

Did I say they should automatically remove it, pinche pendejo? lol I just said they alaready have the technology to recognize and monitor it.

Dude, I'm Puerto Rican, not Mexican. Das waycist, yo!  :o

We don't even use the word "pinche" here. We'd just probably say "Canto 'e pedenjo!", or maybe "Jodio fuckin' pendejo!", "Canto 'e fuckin' pedenjo!" or something like that.


Did I say you were Mexican? lol

So you think that this should be handled by people sifting through thousands of Youtube videos, thousands of Facebook posts, etc?

Yes.

The immediate necessity to purge every single instance of anyone saying something that could possibly, MAAAYBE be construed as theoretically "inciting" violence (according to someone's subjective interpretation of it) or some other objectionable material is the fevered dream of demented imbeciles who feel the need to control absolutely, positively EVERYTHING. We don't NEED to police every single instance of someone telling someone else to "KYS retard, lol" in social media. It's NEUROTIC.

If it's so egregious someone feels the need to do something they can just report it (and even then that tends to lead to bans for completely harmless wrongthink or edgyspeak). But if no one saw it and no one was upset it doesn't fucking matter. We don't need to scour the internet for every instance of someone failing to toe the line.

Weeepa! Nice elaborate strawman you've built there, bori bori, pero I have a couple of questions for you. Hope they don't overheat your small brain:

Do you know how to generally distinguish incitement to violence and normal speech? Or are you too much of an asno to tell the difference? Futhermore, does you being too much of a dumbass to distinguish between most normal speech  and incitement to violence mean that it shouldn't be monitored and at least have eyes on it?

Muthafucka, you can't tell the difference between me being serious or joking, or between me elaborating on a subject or making a StRaWmAn, but you're gonna tell me that a fucking algorithm is gonna do a good job of accomplishing that task? Or that brazenly politically biased tech giants are adequately equipped to distinguish between "acceptable" speech and supposed InCiTeMeNt To ViOlEnCe? You truly are a fucking imbecile.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #418 on: January 13, 2021, 06:25:43 PM »
I doubt it will go beyond a symbolic gesture. The Senate will slap it down.

I am not so sure about that. I used to think that...but no longer.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #419 on: January 13, 2021, 06:33:40 PM »
Muthafucka, you can't tell the difference between me being serious or joking, or between me elaborating on a subject or making a StRaWmAn, but you're gonna tell me that a fucking algorithm is gonna do a good job of accomplishing that task? Or that brazenly politically biased tech giants are adequately equipped to distinguish between "acceptable" speech and supposed InCiTeMeNt To ViOlEnCe? You truly are a fucking imbecile.

I'd put my money on a COBOL program doing a better job at that than you, for sure, lol. Let me edit that: the smart money says an abacus can do a better job than you at that.
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