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Author Topic: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021  (Read 19549 times)

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #360 on: January 12, 2021, 10:52:26 PM »
well, I can certify you didn't say it in the 30 minutes before that!

I can't certify that you didn't any other racist language about other groups prior to that, though.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #361 on: January 12, 2021, 10:54:33 PM »
Remember that time when people decided that they wanted everyone else to be consistent with their beliefs?

Oh wait that was Tuesday

So who here are you claiming has been inconsistent in their beliefs? I'll nominate SHARK, with his posts:

We could be worried about posters like SHARK with their inconsistent beliefs.  I mean sure that is certainly something that ranks in the things that we could be worried about.

Or we could be worried about Nancy Pelosi committing treason 2 seconds after accusing Trump of committing treason.

I dont know if she would survive 20 years at Guantanamo Bay, so she should probably make a plea deal.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #362 on: January 12, 2021, 10:55:27 PM »
well, I can certify you didn't say it in the 30 minutes before that!

I can't certify that you didn't any other racist language about other groups prior to that, though.

All my language is racist.

Edit:  Well that is not true, some of it is sexist.  How can you be racist against boobs?  Its unpossible.
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"There can be no middle ground with bigots. Bigots want to deny the rights and livelihood of people different from them. They want them to cease existing, either by going underground or by murdering them. There is no "let's meet in the middle" with that. To suggest there can be is ignorance" RPGNet

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #363 on: January 12, 2021, 10:57:19 PM »
"Obama is going to be an awesome president!"

and

"The Storm is coming! Trust the plan!"

aren't really the same at all. One is just sucking someone's dick because you think they're awesome. That's normal politics. Normal non-insane Trump supporters do the same thing. It's the idea that there's a specific super special plan that will happen on a specific day and that'll fix everything (i.e. all the Q stuff) that's just insane. Obama groupies never talked about how on a specific day he'd come and arrest all of his enemies and fix everything, just that he'd charm the pants off everyone and make everyone hold hands and sing kumbaya or some bullshit...

I think the precedent was set when so many pundits and media personalities and even the sitting president said Trump didn't have a chance in hell of winning the election, and leaned into the ridicule. And then the "unthinkable" happened, and Trump won, and his opposition lost their shit over it.
I imagine there's not a few people hoping Trump can pull another rabbit out of his hat.
Personally, I don't think so. Trump got past an entrenched establishment government that had gotten very complacent. They won't let that happen again, and even said as much. From here on in, we're going to get the candidates the government provides for us to choose from.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #364 on: January 12, 2021, 10:59:10 PM »
well, I can certify you didn't say it in the 30 minutes before that!

I can't certify that you didn't any other racist language about other groups prior to that, though.

All my language is racist.

If you say so. I saw you use the n-word, but haven't seen you say 'beaner', 'spic' and other racist stuff in the last hour at least.  I"m inclined to believe you would though, since you admit so!
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #365 on: January 12, 2021, 11:12:45 PM »
Your “lets be honest” is a cardboard caricature; all it does is identify the level of complexity you can handle.  Things aren’t quite that simple.  You, yourself, apply different standards to varying circumstances every day of your life.

I’m not the board, and find the fascination with left hypocrisy a waste of time.  I use it sparingly, to discredit, when I’m playing to a neutral audience who would be sympathetic to the argument.  But no, I don’t get worked up over leftists behaving in accordance with all of their beliefs. 

Most hypocrisy arguments, when made from a genuine disgust, are made by those who are unwilling to come to grips with what the target of their argument really is, as opposed to what they wish them to be.

So bruh, what's your actual position on BLM violence and the right wing violence? I mean, other than not wanting hypocrites to be called hypocrites unless you happen to agree with it?

Both sides have a trolley problem.  And both are likely to pull the switch.  The only person dumber than either side, are those that want to believe neither side faces a trolley problem because they dislike either side making a choice.  And there's a 4th group that arranged for people to be put on the tracks because they like the idea of a world without trolleys. 
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #366 on: January 13, 2021, 04:54:46 AM »
Greetings!

Conservative Resurgence program discusses the implications of the Left's censorship of Conservatives, and the spread of tyranny. Interesting facts and aspects of the DC protest as well.

Semper Fidelis,

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #367 on: January 13, 2021, 06:25:45 AM »
I said supporting the people who stormed the Capital puts you in the extreme minority...
You did? Where? Because this is the first I've heard you say it. Probably because I never said anything on the topic.

::)  Pat, it's not always about Pat. Mistwell's "you" looks to be generic, as in "if you support the people who stormed the Capitol then you are in the extreme minority". He conveyed exactly that through the polling numbers about approval of that riot, but the "you" in that post might have been a generic person or specific to Spinachcat, to whom he was replying (and to whom he might still be referring, although it seems unlikely to me). Which you (Pat) presumably read since you (Pat) replied to that post. (The "your" in "your poll" which you omitted is you (Pat), by context, though.)

And he really didn't talk about Trump approval, only about people who don't trust the election results. Trump approval is going to be more stable, since supporters and detractors alike are going to look at Trump over a much longer period of time. Finding a more stable statistic to rebut the opinions of current events (last week's riot, the election of just over two months ago) looks like cherry picking.
The you looks specific to me. Confusing posters in a fast-moving thread is pretty easy.

And rebutting what? I didn't refute anything, I provided another data point. That raises a meta issue: The increased partisanship in everything seems to have made tangential or related comments more difficult. The zeitgeist has changed enough that people tend to assume that any reply is an attempted refutation, rather than a comment that expands on something, or adds something new. Mine was kind of in the middle. It didn't directly address the riots, but it did address a related figure, and provided some of what I thought was interesting context. It's weird, if you have a major incident that's widely denounced, and it doesn't seem to affect the reputation of the person who was blamed for it. That could imply several things, and I don't think saying Trump's support is stable answers it entirely, because the disapproval of the happy fun head breaking revolutionary riot in the Capitol is too high -- that has to include a number of Trump supporters. Even if most look at it from a long-term perspective (which I doubt), a small swing would be expected.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #368 on: January 13, 2021, 07:51:37 AM »
Your “lets be honest” is a cardboard caricature; all it does is identify the level of complexity you can handle.  Things aren’t quite that simple.  You, yourself, apply different standards to varying circumstances every day of your life.

I’m not the board, and find the fascination with left hypocrisy a waste of time.  I use it sparingly, to discredit, when I’m playing to a neutral audience who would be sympathetic to the argument.  But no, I don’t get worked up over leftists behaving in accordance with all of their beliefs. 

Most hypocrisy arguments, when made from a genuine disgust, are made by those who are unwilling to come to grips with what the target of their argument really is, as opposed to what they wish them to be.

So bruh, what's your actual position on BLM violence and the right wing violence? I mean, other than not wanting hypocrites to be called hypocrites unless you happen to agree with it?

Both sides have a trolley problem.  And both are likely to pull the switch.  The only person dumber than either side, are those that want to believe neither side faces a trolley problem because they dislike either side making a choice.  And there's a 4th group that arranged for people to be put on the tracks because they like the idea of a world without trolleys.

Go on. Define what their trolley problems are, and why that means you can't call a hypocrite a hypocrite (unless, of course, EOTB approves of it).

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #369 on: January 13, 2021, 08:34:43 AM »
My Take:
The patriots are now moving all pieces into position to move in on the Deep State. Election fraud, treason, sedition and crimes against humanity have now been completed.Why is Trump waiting to the last moment? He is going to play the Trump card. The Deep State is now panicking, Trump gave them multiple chances to tell the truth and to do the right thing and they didn’t. Now it will all be exposed to the public.

This is the bit that gets me.

I've heard a thousand complaints about election fraud over the years and the lazy Whataboutism that this thread is full of is pretty standard all around the world and all over the political spectrum. That's nothing new, just a bit dumber and more strident.

But this kind of messianic belief is really something new.



"Obama is going to be an awesome president!"

and

"The Storm is coming! Trust the plan!"

aren't really the same at all. One is just sucking someone's dick because you think they're awesome. That's normal politics. Normal non-insane Trump supporters do the same thing. It's the idea that there's a specific super special plan that will happen on a specific day and that'll fix everything (i.e. all the Q stuff) that's just insane. Obama groupies never talked about how on a specific day he'd come and arrest all of his enemies and fix everything, just that he'd charm the pants off everyone and make everyone hold hands and sing kumbaya or some bullshit...

Dude, there is exactly just ONE guy in these boards that spouts anything like "Trust the plan!" and many accuse him of being a LARPer. I'm not even sure that he's serious. For most Trump supporters it isn't even about the guy, but the movement that sprang around him. But people still suck Obama's dick despite being demonstrably a horrible President and war criminal second only to George Dubya Bush. They even sucked Bush's dick just cuz he's not Trump, and he's the worst war criminal in US history! THAT's the level of cult mentality that exists in the so-called "Left". It's just not centered around a person, but around their dogmatic ideology.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #370 on: January 13, 2021, 08:36:57 AM »
At this point neither the Left or Right is going to come looking positive as an ideological movement imo. Especially the Left as for years Leftist have been complaining about the behavior of the right and claiming to be better. Yet when it comes down to same shit different goals. To be clear the Left has lost all the moral high ground it had. As long as violence and rioting are done for the approved and carefully constructed personal narrative it's all well and good. Burn Loot and Murder and Thugtifa can harass, attack and even kill and burn down property because the Left approves of it. None of the Leftists here or elsewhere really said anything negative about the actions of both because then it's the old saying one person terrorist is another man freedom fighter.

When the Right does it then suddenly it's not ok because it goes against the narrative and more importantly not from an approved faction like the above. Then when you get called out on your hypocrisy pull shit fits as you all sure as hell don't like it when others do. Neither the Right has made a good showing of itself except I don't expect them to be better. I used to think the Left was but they are just the same with a different coat of paint and beliefs.

The fact that th so called Leftists Champions here did not react badly to Facebook banning people or even Parler shows that as long as their feelings are protected they don't care how much freedom they lose. It's all about priorities am I right mostly it's "reasons and feels". Once one goes down the rabbit hole of censorship where does it fucking stop. But hey who the fuck cares as long as one is protected from contrary opinions it's all that is important.

I may not agree with others say I rather they spew their hate out in the open. Why so they can be monitored and kept on eye. All the Censorship is doing is just making the more radical and dangerous elements go under ground both actually and figuratively making it harder for law enforcement to track them. In the end though many perhaps too many on the Left have show themselves to be nothing more than armchair terrorists and rioters. Their is friends I used to trust with my life who while I remain friends and staunch leftist who close their eyes to the violence as long as it's for the "right" cause. No matter the violence because hey their approved factions get a free pass. Those that are not the approved faction get labelled "domestic terrorists " even when both engage in the same tactics.

In the end keep up the fake innocence and not understanding why your ideological opponents engage in the same tactics you approved of earlier. Blame it on the media because most of you will never admit to the truth.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #371 on: January 13, 2021, 08:50:29 AM »
I don't agree with the censoring either. Sheit, not even Angela Merker agreed with it, though for different retarded reasons.

At the same time, I think that it's time for platforms to be responsible for the actual incitements to violence (far-left or far-right). They are pretty good at detecting and shutting down even fair-use of music or other media on their platforms, but they can't do shit about people who shout "FIRE" in a "crowded theater"?

And for the record, I've never defended antifa. I've always felt they should be prosecuted, and that also goes for the other side of the coin in the far right. 
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #372 on: January 13, 2021, 09:20:49 AM »
At the same time, I think that it's time for platforms to be responsible for the actual incitements to violence (far-left or far-right). They are pretty good at detecting and shutting down even fair-use of music or other media on their platforms, but they can't do shit about people who shout "FIRE" in a "crowded theater"?

No, online platforms should NOT be responsible for anything anyone posts in their site, and they are NOT good at detecting and shutting down copyrighted material precisely because they consistently shut down fair-use of music and other media. It is not the role of tech companies (or of self-entitled users within their platforms going after people they personally don't like) to make legal determinations about ANYTHING. They're not lawyers, they're not legal scholars or judges or law enforcement and have NO role in the government or legal procedures. These are NOT functions that fall within the purview of fucking monopolistic tech giants. It is not their job and they are not properly equipped to determine whether or not a supposed "tHrEaT oF vIolEnCe" or any other questionable post is legally actionable material. That is the job of the FBI, or equivalent agencies when it comes to users outside of the US. It's supposed to be THEM who make that determination, not our self-appointed tech overlords. That is why section 230 exists, and their insistence on stepping beyond their bounds is precisely why we're on this mess.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #373 on: January 13, 2021, 09:27:17 AM »
I had commented earlier on how John Earle Sullivan, last seen shilling and supporting a BLM-Antifa riot in Provo, Utah, seemed just a BIT out of place in DC on 1/6.

Now there's another. Remember the guy with the funky horned headdress?

https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/capitol-antagonist-climate-change/

Yeah, I'm starting to get a distinct feeling of 'agent provocateur' here. I could be wrong, but, y'know, having these guys in the mix is a lot like Mr. Rogers as frontman for GWAR. Doesn't quite fit.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #374 on: January 13, 2021, 09:36:32 AM »
At the same time, I think that it's time for platforms to be responsible for the actual incitements to violence (far-left or far-right). They are pretty good at detecting and shutting down even fair-use of music or other media on their platforms, but they can't do shit about people who shout "FIRE" in a "crowded theater"?

No, online platforms should NOT be responsible for anything anyone posts in their site, and they are NOT good at detecting and shutting down copyrighted material precisely because they consistently shut down fair-use of music and other media. It is not the role of tech companies (or of self-entitled users within their platforms going after people they personally don't like) to make legal determinations about ANYTHING. They're not lawyers, they're not legal scholars or judges or law enforcement and have NO role in the government or legal procedures. These are NOT functions that fall within the purview of fucking monopolistic tech giants. It is not their job and they are not properly equipped to determine whether or not a supposed "tHrEaT oF vIolEnCe" or any other questionable post is legally actionable material. That is the job of the FBI, or equivalent agencies when it comes to users outside of the US. It's supposed to be THEM who make that determination, not our self-appointed tech overlords. That is why section 230 exists, and their insistence on stepping beyond their bounds is precisely why we're on this mess.

How should they not be responsible for monitoring what goes on their platforms? Unless you are saying that law enforcement should have people sitting at their desk sifting through YouTube crap.


And you're completely wrong. Their AI is excellent at auto-flagging even melodies played on a guitar that match copyrighted material. They could do the same with people inciting violence.
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