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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #315 on: January 12, 2021, 05:43:03 PM »
1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.
Guam will never happen. 170,000 people vs. about 500,000 for the smallest House district. They'd need to triple the number of reps. Puerto Rico is more than large enough, but can the statehood movement overcome the independence movement, and is the US willing to accept a bankrupt state?

The independence movement in Puerto Rico is VERY weak, TBH. We have three traditional political parties based around the island's political status: Pro-Statehood (Partido Nuevo Progresista "New Progressive Party"), Pro-Commonwealth/Status Quo (Partido Popular Democratico "Popular Democratic Party") and Pro-Independence (Partido Independentista Puertorriqueño "Puerto Rican Independence Party"). And in my lifetime, the pro-independence party has never gotten more than 5% of the vote. There used to be paramilitary movements, but they got crushed decades ago and they never had broad popular support in my lifetime. They used to be stronger before I was born, but a bunch of them got caught after they tried an actual armed insurrection of the US Capitol (unlike what we saw last week), and it all went downhill from there.

Every time the push for statehood has been stalled, it has been from the pro-commonwealth/status quo side, with zero plans for independence. I've never heard anyone with broad popular appeal lay out some plans that captured the public's imagination about WTF we would do as an independent nation or WTF that government would look like. The dominant forces have always been the pro-statehood party and the pro-commonwealth/status quo party (either of which have won every election in my life), so for as long as I've been alive the fight has never been about statehood vs independence, but about people who want PR to become a state vs people who have NO plans beyond perpetually being a disenfranchised US colony forever. So what really needs to be overcome for PR to become a state (aside from the US gov actually accepting PR statehood) is not the independence movement, but blind, directionless inertia.
Good to have an insider perspective. I was in San Juan during one of your periodic referendums, and there were parades and celebrations and a lot of, for lack of a better word, nationalistic fervor. Probably gave me the impression it was bigger than it really was, though everyone I talked to favored the status quo. Just too many tax and funding benefits, and abstract things like having a vote in national elections weren't as important. Seems to be a slow shift towards statehood over time, though, especially based on the last referendum.

How are the finances? That was covered a lot during the last storm, and most pundits were saying PR would have to get their house in order before statehood could even be considered.
Yeah I'm curious about the current situation post-hurricane etc. What's the scoop?

Edit: My feelings, much like the Guam situation, is that if the Democrat Party wanted to push the issue, I don't think the will of the Puerto Rican people, nor any legal exemptions from Guam becoming a State will matter one iota to the Democrat party while they have both Houses and the Presidency. Coupled with the fact that the Republicans have a herd of Rino's in their ranks that want nothing more than to simp for the Dems, I don't imagine it would be much effort nor even controversial among themselves to make these moves. Vs. say Single Payer etc.

Yeah, that's the thing. Any time you go to a protest in Puerto Rico you're gonna find a lot of nationalistic sentiment, but a lot of those people favor the status quo and vote for the pro-commonwealth party, and for the status quo during referendums rather than for independence. Part of the problem is that the pro-commonwealth party was founded by Luis Muñoz Marín, who was the first Puerto Rican governor elected in the island, one of the people who established the Puerto Rican commonwealth (Estado Libre Asociado, or “Free Associated State”) and a very prominent political figure in his day. And he was such a popular character that older people who were alive in his day and may have had nationalistic sentiment kept voting for his party—which is NOT a nationalistic party—which ended up cementing the pro-commonwealth party’s dominance in the island, along with the pro-statehood party as its main opposition, and completely sidelining the pro-independence party and movement (he also helped suppress Nationalist movements in the island, but that’s another rabbit hole covered in his Wikipedia page).

And to compound matters further, a lot of the old hardcore nationalistic movements were Marxist socialists anti-Capitalist/US Government types out in the fringes, with the paramilitary types getting aid from Cuba and such, so they all eventually got crushed by the feds. So independence movements never gained much popular support, partly out of fear that Puerto Rico would turn into something like Communist Cuba if it gained its independence (which is something I used to hear a lot growing up as a kid).

Another thing to consider is that every time we get these large protests a lot of the more ardent pro-independence people tend to attend those events, while most of the normal everyday people that don't really care that much about politics just stay at home. So if you talk to the people at the protests you're gonna get a lot of skewed perspectives that don't necessarily match what the average person in the island thinks or wants, because most of the minority pro-independence crowd are gonna be at those events (however, people who attend the protests also tend to be better educated about the issues than the non-political folk, so they might still bring up valid points). But most average people just wanna get through their everyday lives without disruptions and none of them wanna give up their US citizenship.

Ironically, I haven’t been following the situation in the island as closely as I’ve been following US politics or the pandemic, but the situation has been pretty much a bumpy ride since the hurricane, followed by the earthquake (and aftershocks that caused further damage), and now with the pandemic things have pretty much gone to hell, and I have no clue if/when we will ever recover. We had like three different governors in one single term, since the one that was on during the hurricane had to resign due to scandals (mostly about spicy comments made in some chat logs that surfaced, rather than due to his rampant mismanagement of the crisis after the hurricane), the one that followed was annulled due to scandals related to the first one (don’t think he was even allowed to officially become active governor), and the third managed to complete her term, but was unable to secure the nomination to run for governor again. Then the second one of these three governors (Pedro Pierluisi, who has been the target of numerous conflict of interest and corruption allegations) somehow managed to become governor again during the last election, which is a testament to how ineffective and corrupt our government and the two dominant parties are.

However, the last election saw a resurgence of third party candidates, with three of them getting a significant portion of the votes—far greater than at any other time in the island’s history—which is an indicator that the island has been losing faith in the two parties that have been dominant throughout its history as the “Free Associated State”. The one who got the most votes was Alexandra Lúgaro, who got 14.21% and I voted for in 2016, but refrained from voting for this time around, cuz she buys into Intersectionality and had been pushing to get LGBT courses into schools. So I basically sat this one out and stayed at home following the US elections, but with some reservations, since I considered her otherwise to be the best candidate. But I just couldn’t bring myself to vote to bring wokeness into the island in the current political climate. Plus my vote wouldn’t have been enough to make her win anyways, but she current has the most votes of any independent/third party candidate in the island’s history.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #316 on: January 12, 2021, 05:50:46 PM »
As confirmed by their own words, I believe that the protesters intended to *force* Congress members to not endorse the Electoral College vote. They thought that by a show of strength in breaking into the building and confronting the members directly, then the Senate would back down and agree to their demands of challenging the Electoral vote.
I like to distinguish between protest and riot. We have linked to protesters who wanted to peacefully voice their dissatisfaction with how the election was investigated. That was their stated goal.
Not for all of them. The FBI are investigating a whole lot of them that had planned & organized illegal actions online. Every time they find one, that one's electronic trail shows even more.

I'm sure that some of the Trump supporters at the Capitol only wanted to voice dissatisfaction. However, from what I see of the crowds and interviews, they were not shocked at their fellows breaking in by force. When the police were shoved past and doors and windows broken in, lots of people continued to cheer. I think it's fair to say that a large fraction of them were in support of breaking in and demanding change.

Also, an important note: there's a huge difference between *illegal* and *violent*. Lots of peaceful protests have been *illegal*. Martin Luther King Jr was jailed multiple times, for example. Often protesters can be arrested for various crimes like "crowding, obstructing, or incommoding" or just demonstrating without a permit.

But if the targets of the demonstration are legitimately in fear for their physical safety, then that goes past "illegal" and into "violent".

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #317 on: January 12, 2021, 05:55:16 PM »
Remember that time when people decided that they wanted everyone else to be consistent with their beliefs?

Oh wait that was Tuesday

So who here are you claiming has been inconsistent in their beliefs? I'll nominate SHARK, with his posts:

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*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
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The violence in DC on Jan 06 was unfortunate, and even tragic. After months of BLM and ANTIFA rioting across the country--often supported by the MSM and Marxist politicians--I don't think having some engage in such violence, considering the tensions involved, as being surprising. Even more so, when there is evidence that much of it was provoked by ANTIFA members that were also present, in an effort to heighten and provoke such tensions in a purposeful and coordinated manner.
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Outside this forum, sure - there are plenty of people all over the political spectrum who are inconsistent in their beliefs. Citing individual people in the wider world who are inconsistent will be an awfully long list.

Greetings!

Yeah, damn right I was excited, and enthusiastic, Jhkim. It was amazing to see, especially live like that, with so many people there.

I also note that of the people I saw--no one was armed, and there wasn't any real violence going on aside from *some* wrestling and pushing with police officers, in some areas. Other areas, the police weren't doing anything. None the less, I did not want anyone to be assaulted, or killed, whether patriots, police, or whoever. Nothing inconsistent at all.

As AOC declared, "Protests are uncomfortable. People should be forced to be uncomfortable." *paraphrasing* So, again, was it appropriate for people to march, and wave flags, and scream, and make the fat, elitist and corrupt politicians listen to angry citizens, even if they were made *uncomfortable*? Well, fuck yeah. Why not? AOC and many other political and media leaders that cock-sucking Leftists love to suck on certainly think that is all fine and good.

I make no apologies, so stop trying to insist that I'm "inconsistent". I remember watching the whole cities fucking *BURN*, people being beaten and killed, stores being destroyed and looted, with thousands of fucking BLM and ANTIFA people marching and screaming, and calling for people to be killed--and the protest at the Capitol building was nothing close to any of that, which went on in city after fucking city, and like in Portland, Oregon, every fucking night--while the politicians did nothing. In fact, political leaders like Mayor Wheeler, the Portland AG, specifically refused to prosecute anyone, for anything. Meanwhile numerous other political and media leaders praised the BLM and ANTIFA as good and noble, and justified in making their voices heard, and expressing their rage.

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Oh, bullshit, you fucking liar. You always hype up pro-Trump or anti-Left violence with whatever shitty ass rationalizations your Trump-addled mind can come up with. I wonder if you will come to the FBI's attention if your words of encouragement for the violence are found on someone's electronic trail. They are looking.

Greetings!

Choke on it, wormy little bitch. It's always fun to see you squirm and clutch your pearls like the cuck you are.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #318 on: January 12, 2021, 05:58:13 PM »
The math will sort itself out.

This thread cracks me up.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #319 on: January 12, 2021, 06:03:49 PM »
1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.
Guam will never happen. 170,000 people vs. about 500,000 for the smallest House district. They'd need to triple the number of reps. Puerto Rico is more than large enough, but can the statehood movement overcome the independence movement, and is the US willing to accept a bankrupt state?

The independence movement in Puerto Rico is VERY weak, TBH. We have three traditional political parties based around the island's political status: Pro-Statehood (Partido Nuevo Progresista "New Progressive Party"), Pro-Commonwealth/Status Quo (Partido Popular Democratico "Popular Democratic Party") and Pro-Independence (Partido Independentista Puertorriqueño "Puerto Rican Independence Party"). And in my lifetime, the pro-independence party has never gotten more than 5% of the vote. There used to be paramilitary movements, but they got crushed decades ago and they never had broad popular support in my lifetime. They used to be stronger before I was born, but a bunch of them got caught after they tried an actual armed insurrection of the US Capitol (unlike what we saw last week), and it all went downhill from there.

Every time the push for statehood has been stalled, it has been from the pro-commonwealth/status quo side, with zero plans for independence. I've never heard anyone with broad popular appeal lay out some plans that captured the public's imagination about WTF we would do as an independent nation or WTF that government would look like. The dominant forces have always been the pro-statehood party and the pro-commonwealth/status quo party (either of which have won every election in my life), so for as long as I've been alive the fight has never been about statehood vs independence, but about people who want PR to become a state vs people who have NO plans beyond perpetually being a disenfranchised US colony forever. So what really needs to be overcome for PR to become a state (aside from the US gov actually accepting PR statehood) is not the independence movement, but blind, directionless inertia.
Good to have an insider perspective. I was in San Juan during one of your periodic referendums, and there were parades and celebrations and a lot of, for lack of a better word, nationalistic fervor. Probably gave me the impression it was bigger than it really was, though everyone I talked to favored the status quo. Just too many tax and funding benefits, and abstract things like having a vote in national elections weren't as important. Seems to be a slow shift towards statehood over time, though, especially based on the last referendum.

How are the finances? That was covered a lot during the last storm, and most pundits were saying PR would have to get their house in order before statehood could even be considered.
Yeah I'm curious about the current situation post-hurricane etc. What's the scoop?

Edit: My feelings, much like the Guam situation, is that if the Democrat Party wanted to push the issue, I don't think the will of the Puerto Rican people, nor any legal exemptions from Guam becoming a State will matter one iota to the Democrat party while they have both Houses and the Presidency. Coupled with the fact that the Republicans have a herd of Rino's in their ranks that want nothing more than to simp for the Dems, I don't imagine it would be much effort nor even controversial among themselves to make these moves. Vs. say Single Payer etc.

Yeah, that's the thing. Any time you go to a protest in Puerto Rico you're gonna find a lot of nationalistic sentiment, but a lot of those people favor the status quo and vote for the pro-commonwealth party, and for the status quo during referendums rather than for independence. Part of the problem is that the pro-commonwealth party was founded by Luis Muñoz Marín, who was the first Puerto Rican governor elected in the island, one of the people who established the Puerto Rican commonwealth (Estado Libre Asociado, or “Free Associated State”) and a very prominent political figure in his day. And he was such a popular character that older people who were alive in his day and may have had nationalistic sentiment kept voting for his party—which is NOT a nationalistic party—which ended up cementing the pro-commonwealth party’s dominance in the island, along with the pro-statehood party as its main opposition, and completely sidelining the pro-independence party and movement (he also helped suppress Nationalist movements in the island, but that’s another rabbit hole covered in his Wikipedia page).

And to compound matters further, a lot of the old hardcore nationalistic movements were Marxist socialists anti-Capitalist/US Government types out in the fringes, with the paramilitary types getting aid from Cuba and such, so they all eventually got crushed by the feds. So independence movements never gained much popular support, partly out of fear that Puerto Rico would turn into something like Communist Cuba if it gained its independence (which is something I used to hear a lot growing up as a kid).

Another thing to consider is that every time we get these large protests a lot of the more ardent pro-independence people tend to attend those events, while most of the normal everyday people that don't really care that much about politics just stay at home. So if you talk to the people at the protests you're gonna get a lot of skewed perspectives that don't necessarily match what the average person in the island thinks or wants, because most of the minority pro-independence crowd are gonna be at those events (however, people who attend the protests also tend to be better educated about the issues than the non-political folk, so they might still bring up valid points). But most average people just wanna get through their everyday lives without disruptions and none of them wanna give up their US citizenship.

Ironically, I haven’t been following the situation in the island as closely as I’ve been following US politics or the pandemic, but the situation has been pretty much a bumpy ride since the hurricane, followed by the earthquake (and aftershocks that caused further damage), and now with the pandemic things have pretty much gone to hell, and I have no clue if/when we will ever recover. We had like three different governors in one single term, since the one that was on during the hurricane had to resign due to scandals (mostly about spicy comments made in some chat logs that surfaced, rather than due to his rampant mismanagement of the crisis after the hurricane), the one that followed was annulled due to scandals related to the first one (don’t think he was even allowed to officially become active governor), and the third managed to complete her term, but was unable to secure the nomination to run for governor again. Then the second one of these three governors (Pedro Pierluisi, who has been the target of numerous conflict of interest and corruption allegations) somehow managed to become governor again during the last election, which is a testament to how ineffective and corrupt our government and the two dominant parties are.

However, the last election saw a resurgence of third party candidates, with three of them getting a significant portion of the votes—far greater than at any other time in the island’s history—which is an indicator that the island has been losing faith in the two parties that have been dominant throughout its history as the “Free Associated State”. The one who got the most votes was Alexandra Lúgaro, who got 14.21% and I voted for in 2016, but refrained from voting for this time around, cuz she buys into Intersectionality and had been pushing to get LGBT courses into schools. So I basically sat this one out and stayed at home following the US elections, but with some reservations, since I considered her otherwise to be the best candidate. But I just couldn’t bring myself to vote to bring wokeness into the island in the current political climate. Plus my vote wouldn’t have been enough to make her win anyways, but she current has the most votes of any independent/third party candidate in the island’s history.

Greetings!

Very interesting, Visionstorm! I hope the island recovers swiftly and enjoys new prosperity.

As an aside, though, I get the impression from your commentary that the island's political environment is perhaps hopelessly corrupt? It isn't much different than what goes on in the mainland, then, heh? ;D

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #320 on: January 12, 2021, 06:07:27 PM »
As all of you probably know, I've come back, kinda, sort of, in a way.

Reading through this thread.. I love love love a good old-fashioned flame war. I would never ever think of adding any gasoline to it!
But, ETHANOL IS OKAY, amirite?

So, I'll place this here: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/483344-why-trump-has-already-secured-a-second-term-no-matter-who-his-opponent-is

Now, all of you: COME OUT OF YOUR CORNERS, AND FIGHT! lol  ;D
That link is old, isn't it? Did it fool anyone?  ??? I guess not!
So, this will do it:
https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/1349087546693853184
https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1349047960894656513

AND THE AWARD FOR BIGGEST HIPPOCRITE ON THE INTERWEBS GOES TO.... TWATTER! YAY! No one here can top this:
https://twitter.com/Policy/status/1349059275461685250
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #321 on: January 12, 2021, 06:10:06 PM »
I thought jhkim was bad, but I wouldn't wipe my ass with the degree someone felt sorry enough to give you.

TBH, I think jhkim is the least bad out of everybody on the other side of this discussion. I may not always agree with him and he may come off as obtuse a lot of the time, but at least he makes a semblance of an effort of arguing in good faith. Everyone else is just a clapback imbecile with no real counterarguments and absolutely nothing of value to add--just broad yet empty and snide declarations and dismissals--or brazenly biased and partisan to the point you might as well ignore their wall of text and convoluted rationalizations, and save yourself the trouble.

What I most despise him for is

(A) blind obedience to scientists as if they cannot have a political agenda. (at least as long as he supports their results)

(B) he has constantly defended a position of 'Discrimination is ok, as long as the target is not a "legally, protected class"'

Then the second one of these three governors (Pedro Pierluisi, who has been the target of numerous conflict of interest and corruption allegations) somehow managed to become governor again during the last election, which is a testament to how ineffective and corrupt our government and the two dominant parties are.

Gee, that sounds kind of familiar...

You have my sympathies.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #322 on: January 12, 2021, 06:27:42 PM »
Remember that time when people decided that they wanted everyone else to be consistent with their beliefs?

Oh wait that was Tuesday

So who here are you claiming has been inconsistent in their beliefs? I'll nominate SHARK, with his posts:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref)

The violence in DC on Jan 06 was unfortunate, and even tragic. After months of BLM and ANTIFA rioting across the country--often supported by the MSM and Marxist politicians--I don't think having some engage in such violence, considering the tensions involved, as being surprising. Even more so, when there is evidence that much of it was provoked by ANTIFA members that were also present, in an effort to heighten and provoke such tensions in a purposeful and coordinated manner.
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Outside this forum, sure - there are plenty of people all over the political spectrum who are inconsistent in their beliefs. Citing individual people in the wider world who are inconsistent will be an awfully long list.

Greetings!

Yeah, damn right I was excited, and enthusiastic, Jhkim. It was amazing to see, especially live like that, with so many people there.

I also note that of the people I saw--no one was armed, and there wasn't any real violence going on aside from *some* wrestling and pushing with police officers, in some areas. Other areas, the police weren't doing anything. None the less, I did not want anyone to be assaulted, or killed, whether patriots, police, or whoever. Nothing inconsistent at all.

As AOC declared, "Protests are uncomfortable. People should be forced to be uncomfortable." *paraphrasing* So, again, was it appropriate for people to march, and wave flags, and scream, and make the fat, elitist and corrupt politicians listen to angry citizens, even if they were made *uncomfortable*? Well, fuck yeah. Why not? AOC and many other political and media leaders that cock-sucking Leftists love to suck on certainly think that is all fine and good.

I make no apologies, so stop trying to insist that I'm "inconsistent". I remember watching the whole cities fucking *BURN*, people being beaten and killed, stores being destroyed and looted, with thousands of fucking BLM and ANTIFA people marching and screaming, and calling for people to be killed--and the protest at the Capitol building was nothing close to any of that, which went on in city after fucking city, and like in Portland, Oregon, every fucking night--while the politicians did nothing. In fact, political leaders like Mayor Wheeler, the Portland AG, specifically refused to prosecute anyone, for anything. Meanwhile numerous other political and media leaders praised the BLM and ANTIFA as good and noble, and justified in making their voices heard, and expressing their rage.

Semper Fidelis,

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Oh, bullshit, you fucking liar. You always hype up pro-Trump or anti-Left violence with whatever shitty ass rationalizations your Trump-addled mind can come up with. I wonder if you will come to the FBI's attention if your words of encouragement for the violence are found on someone's electronic trail. They are looking.

Greetings!

Choke on it, wormy little bitch. It's always fun to see you squirm and clutch your pearls like the cuck you are.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
I'm not one of those that's voiced support for violent activities intended to coerce the government of our nation. Unlike yourself, the despicable traitor in our midst that tries to claim he's a bigger patriot than everyone else. You're a sad, silly little man...and maybe a criminal too. I can't wait to see!

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #323 on: January 12, 2021, 06:28:15 PM »
...and in other news...


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 ???  :o
Man, I am so confused...

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #324 on: January 12, 2021, 06:34:54 PM »
...and in other news...


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 ???  :o
Man, I am so confused...

 ;)
I think what they are going with is that it is one thing to block individual users (even if that user is POTUS) that violate their terms of service, but quite another to block out entire areas indiscriminately.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #325 on: January 12, 2021, 06:45:31 PM »
...and in other news...


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    Ahead of the Ugandan election, we're hearing reports that Internet service providers are being ordered to block social media and messaging apps.

    We strongly condemn internet shutdowns – they are hugely harmful, violate basic human rights and the principles of the #OpenInternet.

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    Access to information and freedom of expression, including the public conversation on Twitter, is never more important than during democratic processes, particularly elections.#UgandaDecides2021 #KeepItOn https://t.co/Q2SJfsFUiD

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 ???  :o
Man, I am so confused...

 ;)
I think what they are going with is that it is one thing to block individual users (even if that user is POTUS) that violate their terms of service, but quite another to block out entire areas indiscriminately.
BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Your DESPAIR is so full of clown today, it is becoming it's own CREATURE!  ;D
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #326 on: January 12, 2021, 06:54:50 PM »
Yeah, damn right I was excited, and enthusiastic, Jhkim. It was amazing to see, especially live like that, with so many people there.

I also note that of the people I saw--no one was armed, and there wasn't any real violence going on aside from *some* wrestling and pushing with police officers, in some areas. Other areas, the police weren't doing anything. None the less, I did not want anyone to be assaulted, or killed, whether patriots, police, or whoever. Nothing inconsistent at all.

As AOC declared, "Protests are uncomfortable. People should be forced to be uncomfortable." *paraphrasing* So, again, was it appropriate for people to march, and wave flags, and scream, and make the fat, elitist and corrupt politicians listen to angry citizens, even if they were made *uncomfortable*? Well, fuck yeah. Why not?

Do you approve of the smashing in windows, pushing past police, and breaking down doors that forced Congress members to evacuate? Is that just making them uncomfortable, or is it part of the violence that you disapprove of?

When I see liberal-leaning events where they shove police, smash in windows, and loot offices - I never think "Hell yeah". I think "Fuck, this is going wrong."

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #327 on: January 12, 2021, 06:56:54 PM »
Greetings!

Very interesting, Visionstorm! I hope the island recovers swiftly and enjoys new prosperity.

As an aside, though, I get the impression from your commentary that the island's political environment is perhaps hopelessly corrupt? It isn't much different than what goes on in the mainland, then, heh? ;D

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Pretty much. The two dominant parties have been hopelessly corrupt for a long time, often stealing and mismanaging public funds, but people kept voting them in out of habit, much the same way everyone in the mainland just votes Democrat or Republican. Then the hurricane hit, completely devastating most of the island's poorly maintained infrastructure, as a result of years of mismanagement from past administrations, and all hell broke lose. Most of the lives that were lost (which some people tried to blame on Trump, desperately trying to turn it into his Katrina) were the result of rescue workers not been able to even reach parts of the island cuz the roads and bridges were destroyed or covered in fallen trees and landslides. And with communications down, with no phone lines and almost all cellphone towers wiped out, nobody could get a hold anyone from those municipalities to ascertain what the situation was there, how to reach them or what they could do to help. Hopefully we'll get better leadership now that people are waking up to our major political parties corruption and ineffectiveness, and are starting to look into other alternatives.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #328 on: January 12, 2021, 07:00:50 PM »
Yeah, damn right I was excited, and enthusiastic, Jhkim. It was amazing to see, especially live like that, with so many people there.

I also note that of the people I saw--no one was armed, and there wasn't any real violence going on aside from *some* wrestling and pushing with police officers, in some areas. Other areas, the police weren't doing anything. None the less, I did not want anyone to be assaulted, or killed, whether patriots, police, or whoever. Nothing inconsistent at all.

As AOC declared, "Protests are uncomfortable. People should be forced to be uncomfortable." *paraphrasing* So, again, was it appropriate for people to march, and wave flags, and scream, and make the fat, elitist and corrupt politicians listen to angry citizens, even if they were made *uncomfortable*? Well, fuck yeah. Why not?

Do you approve of the smashing in windows, pushing past police, and breaking down doors that forced Congress members to evacuate? Is that just making them uncomfortable, or is it part of the violence that you disapprove of?

When I see liberal-leaning events where they shove police, smash in windows, and loot offices - I never think "Hell yeah". I think "Fuck, this is going wrong."
I think it's wrong, but you didn't ask me so you don't care.
HOWEVER: It was an opportunity for OC DANK MEMES. Gotta appreciate that.
ON THE OTHER-HAND: You don't like memes. YOU have a PhD. Therefore, everyone else is wrong.
Just so you know, I don't care. And if SHARK is smart, he will IGNORE YOUR POST as the BAIT IT IS.
But, you don't care about what I think...
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #329 on: January 12, 2021, 07:04:43 PM »
Greetings!

Will Johnson hosts Unite America First. Here he discusses Leftist political hypocrisy, rioting, and more.

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