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Author Topic: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021  (Read 117690 times)

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #300 on: January 12, 2021, 03:58:20 PM »
Remember that time when people decided that they wanted everyone else to be consistent with their beliefs?

Oh wait that was Tuesday
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #301 on: January 12, 2021, 03:59:46 PM »
I will say as regards the Trump movement in general, I have three significant overlaps with it:

1) Opposition to greater control by major corporations and billionaires.
2) Opposition to foreign wars, like the Iraq War pursued by George W. Bush.
3) Valuing of free speech

But I also have major differences with it, in environmental policy (weakening environmental regulations), in economic policy (run up the deficit, tax cuts to the rich), and in foreign policy (pissing off democratic allies while continuing to pal up with Saudi Arabia).


I watched the different videos from the day's events--live--at the time. President Trump's speech was awesome, and inspiring. A million, probably more than that, Americans gathered together for the rally was awesome, too. Pretty incredible to see. As far as the subsequent protest, that is their right to protest!

I haven't told anyone to murder anyone, or attack anyone, or burn any buildings down. I have not said that the government of the United States needs to be violently and unlawfully overthrown. I have not engaged in such myself, nor have I encouraged anyone do such a thing.

As confirmed by their own words, I believe that the protesters intended to *force* Congress members to not endorse the Electoral College vote. They thought that by a show of strength in breaking into the building and confronting the members directly, then the Senate would back down and agree to their demands of challenging the Electoral vote.

I don't think that I am mischaracterizing them in this.

But I believe that is using force to intimidate and threaten Congress. We can see in the pictures that Congress members were afraid for their personal well being. They were hiding under desks, and fled the chambers under armed guard. I would say the same thing about Senator Rand Paul being threatened by a crowd after the RNC. The point isn't how much harm actually happened to him - the point is that he was personally threatened and intimidated.

I think this sort of direct physical intimidation of elected officials is completely counter to democracy. Allowing it without the highest punishment is turning the government into a sham.

Not all direct action is physical threat. As I noted earlier, the Kavanaugh protesters were highly visible - and they blocked hallways and made noise, but no one was physically threatened by them.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #302 on: January 12, 2021, 04:05:18 PM »
To be fair, here is a clip of Republicans calling for rioting in the streets:

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #303 on: January 12, 2021, 04:09:24 PM »
Sorry got my clips confused, that was the Democrats calling for riots in the street.

My bad.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #304 on: January 12, 2021, 04:10:07 PM »
Remember Mad Maxine Waters calling for her followers to 'get in their faces, don't let them have any peace'?

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #305 on: January 12, 2021, 04:34:38 PM »
Remember that time when people decided that they wanted everyone else to be consistent with their beliefs?

Oh wait that was Tuesday

So who here are you claiming has been inconsistent in their beliefs? I'll nominate SHARK, with his posts:

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*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
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The violence in DC on Jan 06 was unfortunate, and even tragic. After months of BLM and ANTIFA rioting across the country--often supported by the MSM and Marxist politicians--I don't think having some engage in such violence, considering the tensions involved, as being surprising. Even more so, when there is evidence that much of it was provoked by ANTIFA members that were also present, in an effort to heighten and provoke such tensions in a purposeful and coordinated manner.
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Outside this forum, sure - there are plenty of people all over the political spectrum who are inconsistent in their beliefs. Citing individual people in the wider world who are inconsistent will be an awfully long list.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #306 on: January 12, 2021, 04:52:25 PM »
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Who posted shit supporting the criminal actions in DC on 1/6/21?

The internet remembers.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #307 on: January 12, 2021, 05:00:49 PM »
Remember that time when people decided that they wanted everyone else to be consistent with their beliefs?

Oh wait that was Tuesday

So who here are you claiming has been inconsistent in their beliefs? I'll nominate SHARK, with his posts:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref)

The violence in DC on Jan 06 was unfortunate, and even tragic. After months of BLM and ANTIFA rioting across the country--often supported by the MSM and Marxist politicians--I don't think having some engage in such violence, considering the tensions involved, as being surprising. Even more so, when there is evidence that much of it was provoked by ANTIFA members that were also present, in an effort to heighten and provoke such tensions in a purposeful and coordinated manner.
(ref)


Outside this forum, sure - there are plenty of people all over the political spectrum who are inconsistent in their beliefs. Citing individual people in the wider world who are inconsistent will be an awfully long list.

Greetings!

Yeah, damn right I was excited, and enthusiastic, Jhkim. It was amazing to see, especially live like that, with so many people there.

I also note that of the people I saw--no one was armed, and there wasn't any real violence going on aside from *some* wrestling and pushing with police officers, in some areas. Other areas, the police weren't doing anything. None the less, I did not want anyone to be assaulted, or killed, whether patriots, police, or whoever. Nothing inconsistent at all.

As AOC declared, "Protests are uncomfortable. People should be forced to be uncomfortable." *paraphrasing* So, again, was it appropriate for people to march, and wave flags, and scream, and make the fat, elitist and corrupt politicians listen to angry citizens, even if they were made *uncomfortable*? Well, fuck yeah. Why not? AOC and many other political and media leaders that cock-sucking Leftists love to suck on certainly think that is all fine and good.

I make no apologies, so stop trying to insist that I'm "inconsistent". I remember watching the whole cities fucking *BURN*, people being beaten and killed, stores being destroyed and looted, with thousands of fucking BLM and ANTIFA people marching and screaming, and calling for people to be killed--and the protest at the Capitol building was nothing close to any of that, which went on in city after fucking city, and like in Portland, Oregon, every fucking night--while the politicians did nothing. In fact, political leaders like Mayor Wheeler, the Portland AG, specifically refused to prosecute anyone, for anything. Meanwhile numerous other political and media leaders praised the BLM and ANTIFA as good and noble, and justified in making their voices heard, and expressing their rage.

Semper Fidelis,

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #308 on: January 12, 2021, 05:03:21 PM »
I make no apologies, so stop trying to insist that I'm "inconsistent". I remember watching the whole cities fucking *BURN*, people being beaten and killed, stores being destroyed and looted, with thousands of fucking BLM and ANTIFA people marching and screaming, and calling for people to be killed--and the protest at the Capitol building was nothing close to any of that, which went on in city after fucking city, and like in Portland, Oregon, every fucking night--while the politicians did nothing. In fact, political leaders like Mayor Wheeler, the Portland AG, specifically refused to prosecute anyone, for anything. Meanwhile numerous other political and media leaders praised the BLM and ANTIFA as good and noble, and justified in making their voices heard, and expressing their rage.

And you are their equivalent on the other side! Congratulations!

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #309 on: January 12, 2021, 05:08:10 PM »
Leaving aside the capital and speaking generally, the two flip sides of consistency and hypocrisy are both stupid.  Beyond those bedrock beliefs each person has, that they would rather die than violate, it is no virtue to extend rigidity broadly across all the beliefs you hold.  Nearly all of them are conditional, and should be recognized as such

This is why “you’re a hypocrite” changes no one's mind, and never has since rhetoric was identified.  If you’ve ever promised someone you will hold to a particular (not-bedrock) belief regardless of any outcome that would stem from your holding it, you’re a moron putting a ring in your nose, to be lead around with by more pragmatic individuals.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #310 on: January 12, 2021, 05:10:21 PM »
So at least be honest and say outright that you think you have exclusive rights to being a violent moron.

It's also very rich in irony to say that given that the bread and butter of this board is pointing out how hypocritical the left is, lol. 
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #311 on: January 12, 2021, 05:16:53 PM »
As confirmed by their own words, I believe that the protesters intended to *force* Congress members to not endorse the Electoral College vote. They thought that by a show of strength in breaking into the building and confronting the members directly, then the Senate would back down and agree to their demands of challenging the Electoral vote.

I like to distinguish between protest and riot. We have linked to protesters who wanted to peacefully voice their dissatisfaction with how the election was investigated. That was their stated goal.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #312 on: January 12, 2021, 05:29:41 PM »
As confirmed by their own words, I believe that the protesters intended to *force* Congress members to not endorse the Electoral College vote. They thought that by a show of strength in breaking into the building and confronting the members directly, then the Senate would back down and agree to their demands of challenging the Electoral vote.

I like to distinguish between protest and riot. We have linked to protesters who wanted to peacefully voice their dissatisfaction with how the election was investigated. That was their stated goal.
Not for all of them. The FBI are investigating a whole lot of them that had planned & organized illegal actions online. Every time they find one, that one's electronic trail shows even more.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #313 on: January 12, 2021, 05:32:28 PM »
Remember that time when people decided that they wanted everyone else to be consistent with their beliefs?

Oh wait that was Tuesday

So who here are you claiming has been inconsistent in their beliefs? I'll nominate SHARK, with his posts:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref)

The violence in DC on Jan 06 was unfortunate, and even tragic. After months of BLM and ANTIFA rioting across the country--often supported by the MSM and Marxist politicians--I don't think having some engage in such violence, considering the tensions involved, as being surprising. Even more so, when there is evidence that much of it was provoked by ANTIFA members that were also present, in an effort to heighten and provoke such tensions in a purposeful and coordinated manner.
(ref)


Outside this forum, sure - there are plenty of people all over the political spectrum who are inconsistent in their beliefs. Citing individual people in the wider world who are inconsistent will be an awfully long list.

Greetings!

Yeah, damn right I was excited, and enthusiastic, Jhkim. It was amazing to see, especially live like that, with so many people there.

I also note that of the people I saw--no one was armed, and there wasn't any real violence going on aside from *some* wrestling and pushing with police officers, in some areas. Other areas, the police weren't doing anything. None the less, I did not want anyone to be assaulted, or killed, whether patriots, police, or whoever. Nothing inconsistent at all.

As AOC declared, "Protests are uncomfortable. People should be forced to be uncomfortable." *paraphrasing* So, again, was it appropriate for people to march, and wave flags, and scream, and make the fat, elitist and corrupt politicians listen to angry citizens, even if they were made *uncomfortable*? Well, fuck yeah. Why not? AOC and many other political and media leaders that cock-sucking Leftists love to suck on certainly think that is all fine and good.

I make no apologies, so stop trying to insist that I'm "inconsistent". I remember watching the whole cities fucking *BURN*, people being beaten and killed, stores being destroyed and looted, with thousands of fucking BLM and ANTIFA people marching and screaming, and calling for people to be killed--and the protest at the Capitol building was nothing close to any of that, which went on in city after fucking city, and like in Portland, Oregon, every fucking night--while the politicians did nothing. In fact, political leaders like Mayor Wheeler, the Portland AG, specifically refused to prosecute anyone, for anything. Meanwhile numerous other political and media leaders praised the BLM and ANTIFA as good and noble, and justified in making their voices heard, and expressing their rage.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Oh, bullshit, you fucking liar. You always hype up pro-Trump or anti-Left violence with whatever shitty ass rationalizations your Trump-addled mind can come up with. I wonder if you will come to the FBI's attention if your words of encouragement for the violence are found on someone's electronic trail. They are looking.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #314 on: January 12, 2021, 05:42:37 PM »
So at least be honest and say outright that you think you have exclusive rights to being a violent moron.

It's also very rich in irony to say that given that the bread and butter of this board is pointing out how hypocritical the left is, lol.

Your “lets be honest” is a cardboard caricature; all it does is identify the level of complexity you can handle.  Things aren’t quite that simple.  You, yourself, apply different standards to varying circumstances every day of your life.

I’m not the board, and find the fascination with left hypocrisy a waste of time.  I use it sparingly, to discredit, when I’m playing to a neutral audience who would be sympathetic to the argument.  But no, I don’t get worked up over leftists behaving in accordance with all of their beliefs. 

Most hypocrisy arguments, when made from a genuine disgust, are made by those who are unwilling to come to grips with what the target of their argument really is, as opposed to what they wish them to be.
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