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Author Topic: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021  (Read 117642 times)

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #270 on: January 12, 2021, 02:21:53 PM »
1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.
Guam will never happen. 170,000 people vs. about 500,000 for the smallest House district. They'd need to triple the number of reps. Puerto Rico is more than large enough, but can the statehood movement overcome the independence movement, and is the US willing to accept a bankrupt state?

The independence movement in Puerto Rico is VERY weak, TBH. We have three traditional political parties based around the island's political status: Pro-Statehood (Partido Nuevo Progresista "New Progressive Party"), Pro-Commonwealth/Status Quo (Partido Popular Democratico "Popular Democratic Party") and Pro-Independence (Partido Independentista Puertorriqueño "Puerto Rican Independence Party"). And in my lifetime, the pro-independence party has never gotten more than 5% of the vote. There used to be paramilitary movements, but they got crushed decades ago and they never had broad popular support in my lifetime. They used to be stronger before I was born, but a bunch of them got caught after they tried an actual armed insurrection of the US Capitol (unlike what we saw last week), and it all went downhill from there.

Every time the push for statehood has been stalled, it has been from the pro-commonwealth/status quo side, with zero plans for independence. I've never heard anyone with broad popular appeal lay out some plans that captured the public's imagination about WTF we would do as an independent nation or WTF that government would look like. The dominant forces have always been the pro-statehood party and the pro-commonwealth/status quo party (either of which have won every election in my life), so for as long as I've been alive the fight has never been about statehood vs independence, but about people who want PR to become a state vs people who have NO plans beyond perpetually being a disenfranchised US colony forever. So what really needs to be overcome for PR to become a state (aside from the US gov actually accepting PR statehood) is not the independence movement, but blind, directionless inertia.
Good to have an insider perspective. I was in San Juan during one of your periodic referendums, and there were parades and celebrations and a lot of, for lack of a better word, nationalistic fervor. Probably gave me the impression it was bigger than it really was, though everyone I talked to favored the status quo. Just too many tax and funding benefits, and abstract things like having a vote in national elections weren't as important. Seems to be a slow shift towards statehood over time, though, especially based on the last referendum.

How are the finances? That was covered a lot during the last storm, and most pundits were saying PR would have to get their house in order before statehood could even be considered.

Yeah I'm curious about the current situation post-hurricane etc. What's the scoop?

Edit: My feelings, much like the Guam situation, is that if the Democrat Party wanted to push the issue, I don't think the will of the Puerto Rican people, nor any legal exemptions from Guam becoming a State will matter one iota to the Democrat party while they have both Houses and the Presidency. Coupled with the fact that the Republicans have a herd of Rino's in their ranks that want nothing more than to simp for the Dems, I don't imagine it would be much effort nor even controversial among themselves to make these moves. Vs. say Single Payer etc.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2021, 02:25:24 PM by tenbones »

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #271 on: January 12, 2021, 02:43:24 PM »
There's a difference between wrongthink and sedition. Last I checked, I haven't egged on or advocated sedition publicly nor privately for the violent overthrow of our democratic process, lol.

In any case, people here egging on violent sedition are not likely to get caught unless some incel loser turns into the next Timothy McVeigh. I doubt that the relevant authorities even know of this little anthill.  Shark's VA benefits will likely remain intact and his body will probably desecrate the national cemetery. Those are the sad facts.

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Choke on it bitch. That's right, I'm such a monster. Fuck off, jackass.

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Oh, SHARKy, you're so close to accepting that you're the monster. All it will take is you being a little more honest with yourself, and then perhaps you can start to be better.

Greetings!

Be a little more honest with myself? There's nothing to be "More honest with myself" about. I watched the different videos from the day's events--live--at the time. President Trump's speech was awesome, and inspiring. A million, probably more than that, Americans gathered together for the rally was awesome, too. Pretty incredible to see. As far as the subsequent protest, that is their right to protest!

I haven't told anyone to murder anyone, or attack anyone, or burn any buildings down. I have not said that the government of the United States needs to be violently and unlawfully overthrown. I have not engaged in such myself, nor have I encouraged anyone do such a thing.

Sedition my ass. Stop being a lying, disgraceful fucktard.

As for you, or anyone else believing or thinking that a "coup" was engaged in during the events, well, in my opinion, you and others that believe such are brainwashed morons. The entire Leftist narrative put forth by the MSM and the Leftist politicians on the day is a fucking sham, a psyop, and absolute hateful propaganda, filled with lies, overblown, incendiary language, utter manipulation, and entirely designed to demonize half the fucking country that supports President Trump and opposes Marxism.

I think it is unfortunate that anyone died during the event--including Ashli Babbit, and unarmed veteran that was shot and killed by the capital police. The police officer that died--that too was unfortunate, and tragic. Some old people also died from medical conditions--also unfortunate. There were one million, two million? people present. There are always tensions during protests--which is what occured at the Capitol building. A protest, not a fucking "Insurrection" or a goddamned "Coup".

And as I mentioned before, there is evidence that ANTIFA provocatuers were also in the crowds, likely leading the way to instigating the violence that occured. I saw that with my own eyes watching live video, American Patriots chanting, "NO ANTIFA!" and attempting to restrain and discourage people present from any violence or vandalism. The FBI report is fucking wrong. I saw it and heard it right there in a video, with hundreds of people gathered about.

So, if there is anyone that should get honest with themselves, it is you.

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« Last Edit: January 12, 2021, 02:47:20 PM by SHARK »
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #272 on: January 12, 2021, 02:46:40 PM »
1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.
Guam will never happen. 170,000 people vs. about 500,000 for the smallest House district. They'd need to triple the number of reps. Puerto Rico is more than large enough, but can the statehood movement overcome the independence movement, and is the US willing to accept a bankrupt state?

The independence movement in Puerto Rico is VERY weak, TBH. We have three traditional political parties based around the island's political status: Pro-Statehood (Partido Nuevo Progresista "New Progressive Party"), Pro-Commonwealth/Status Quo (Partido Popular Democratico "Popular Democratic Party") and Pro-Independence (Partido Independentista Puertorriqueño "Puerto Rican Independence Party"). And in my lifetime, the pro-independence party has never gotten more than 5% of the vote. There used to be paramilitary movements, but they got crushed decades ago and they never had broad popular support in my lifetime. They used to be stronger before I was born, but a bunch of them got caught after they tried an actual armed insurrection of the US Capitol (unlike what we saw last week), and it all went downhill from there.

Every time the push for statehood has been stalled, it has been from the pro-commonwealth/status quo side, with zero plans for independence. I've never heard anyone with broad popular appeal lay out some plans that captured the public's imagination about WTF we would do as an independent nation or WTF that government would look like. The dominant forces have always been the pro-statehood party and the pro-commonwealth/status quo party (either of which have won every election in my life), so for as long as I've been alive the fight has never been about statehood vs independence, but about people who want PR to become a state vs people who have NO plans beyond perpetually being a disenfranchised US colony forever. So what really needs to be overcome for PR to become a state (aside from the US gov actually accepting PR statehood) is not the independence movement, but blind, directionless inertia.
Good to have an insider perspective. I was in San Juan during one of your periodic referendums, and there were parades and celebrations and a lot of, for lack of a better word, nationalistic fervor. Probably gave me the impression it was bigger than it really was, though everyone I talked to favored the status quo. Just too many tax and funding benefits, and abstract things like having a vote in national elections weren't as important. Seems to be a slow shift towards statehood over time, though, especially based on the last referendum.

How are the finances? That was covered a lot during the last storm, and most pundits were saying PR would have to get their house in order before statehood could even be considered.

Yeah I'm curious about the current situation post-hurricane etc. What's the scoop?

Edit: My feelings, much like the Guam situation, is that if the Democrat Party wanted to push the issue, I don't think the will of the Puerto Rican people, nor any legal exemptions from Guam becoming a State will matter one iota to the Democrat party while they have both Houses and the Presidency. Coupled with the fact that the Republicans have a herd of Rino's in their ranks that want nothing more than to simp for the Dems, I don't imagine it would be much effort nor even controversial among themselves to make these moves. Vs. say Single Payer etc.

Greetings!

Hey Tenbones! Yeah, I have talked to a number of PR as well, and they do not seem to be in a hurry to become a state. They like things the way they are.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #273 on: January 12, 2021, 02:47:59 PM »
The current people that believe terrorists attacked the Capitol:

deadDMwalking,
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Elfdart
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #274 on: January 12, 2021, 02:51:12 PM »
Translation:

A few eggs were broken. What's the big deal? Antifa destroyed property. We were mostly peaceful.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #275 on: January 12, 2021, 02:55:53 PM »
We've spent the past year being told by mainstream media and politicians that the police are systematically racist and engaging in a genocide of black Americans.
Suddenly people are concerned about cops getting hurt again.
How convenient.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #276 on: January 12, 2021, 02:56:43 PM »
Who is we, kimosabe? lol

Maybe your opinion changes with the media winds, but not everyone's, :-

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #277 on: January 12, 2021, 02:57:04 PM »
So, if there is anyone that should get honest with themselves, it is you.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #278 on: January 12, 2021, 02:58:05 PM »
We've spent the past year being told by mainstream media and politicians that the police are systematically racist and engaging in a genocide of black Americans.
Suddenly people are concerned about cops getting hurt again.
How convenient.
Funny how 'defund the police' disappeared off the narrative suddenly when it was their asses on the line and the chance to hammer down some dissent came into play.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #279 on: January 12, 2021, 02:59:47 PM »
That's exactly why you're all the same as those your criticize. All of a sudden, police are just tragic casualties. BLue Lives don't matter anymore, eh.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #280 on: January 12, 2021, 03:03:42 PM »
That's exactly why you're all the same as those your criticize. All of a sudden, police are just tragic casualties. BLue Lives don't matter anymore, eh.

Thats cute.  Pretending to care about the Police.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #281 on: January 12, 2021, 03:06:38 PM »
yeppers. i'm not the one on record flip flopping. good luck in your search though. inche hypocrite.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #282 on: January 12, 2021, 03:07:04 PM »
Translation:

A few eggs were broken. What's the big deal? Antifa destroyed property. We were mostly peaceful.



Greetings!

So, you don't think there is a difference between supporting people's right to protest, and pursue violence?

I think the people there had the right to protest, and make their voices heard. I don't think it was necessary for anyone to become violent.

Chris Cuomo, of CNN though, strangely disagrees. He said, when regarding BLM and ANTIFA riots during the summer, "Who said protests have to be peaceful or non violent?"

It's ok to be violent though, and murder people, and burn, and loot, right? That's what BLM and ANTIFA did for *months* across the country. The cock-sucking Marxist politicians and MSM were all in favour of that--many of which are on public record for supporting such, like AOC, Maxine Waters, and more. That's all good though, right?

The violence in DC on Jan 06 was unfortunate, and even tragic. After months of BLM and ANTIFA rioting across the country--often supported by the MSM and Marxist politicians--I don't think having some engage in such violence, considering the tensions involved, as being surprising. Even more so, when there is evidence that much of it was provoked by ANTIFA members that were also present, in an effort to heighten and provoke such tensions in a purposeful and coordinated manner.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #283 on: January 12, 2021, 03:08:40 PM »
I agree those reporters have been hypocrites. But for so many people in here to turn on a dime and start doing the same? come on, bruh. that's just fucking disgusting. I had faith in ya'all.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #284 on: January 12, 2021, 03:10:02 PM »
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The violence in DC on Jan 06 was unfortunate, and even tragic. After months of BLM and ANTIFA rioting across the country--often supported by the MSM and Marxist politicians--I don't think having some engage in such violence, considering the tensions involved, as being surprising. Even more so, when there is evidence that much of it was provoked by ANTIFA members that were also present, in an effort to heighten and provoke such tensions in a purposeful and coordinated manner.

This here is hypocritical beyond belief. "ANTIFA DID IT!" isn't an excuse. I thought you knew better.