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Author Topic: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021  (Read 117623 times)

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #240 on: January 11, 2021, 11:55:48 PM »
I found rawmas terrorist, it was Aunt Tifa:

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #241 on: January 12, 2021, 12:25:26 AM »
It would have been really bad if any members of the police force had been killed by protestors but luckily the only ones hurt were the white protestors who were really asking for it by protesting against systemic corruption.

You have an ugly amount of denial over the death of Officer Sicknick, the fifteen officers hospitalized and the dozens more injured. At least you don't claim that the Capitol Building attackers were peaceful; that would be a harder bit of denial and you should have a spotter and stretch thoroughly before attempting it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-capitol-injuires-trump/2021/01/11/ca68e3e2-5438-11eb-a08b-f1381ef3d207_story.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/533274-Capitol-Police-say-reports-of-officer%27s-death-are-wrong-


Your quote says:

"Media outlets Thursday night incorrectly reported that a Capitol Hill police officer had died during the riot at the Capitol on Wednesday.
 
"Media reports regarding the death of a United States Capitol Police (USCP) officer are not accurate," Eva Malecki, communications director for the Capitol Police said in a statement. "Although some officers were injured and hospitalized yesterday, no USCP officers have passed away."

So what amount of denial should I have for poor officer Sicknick?  Every death is a tragedy.

Officer Sicknick died of injuries sustained on Wednesday, including reports of being struck with a fire extinguisher, but the death did not happen until after last Wednesday (hospitalized and died Friday). Homicide investigation is in progress. The link to a story from Thursday was to point out the large number of other injuries sustained.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #242 on: January 12, 2021, 12:32:27 AM »
Quote from: 18 U.S. Code § 2331 - Definitions
(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States;
The discussion I was having was about the destruction/attacks committed during BLM/Antifa riots which fall under (i), (ii) and maybe (iii) and therefore mark the perpetrators as terrorists by legal definition.

Individual isolated acts are not going to fall under the definition of terrorism, unless every criminal act dangerous to human life within the United States is domestic terrorism, which would make the definition pointless as a label (which jhkim seems to believe). At BLM protests, looting was more likely opportunistic than anything under B; vandalism on an irregular scale similarly does not appear to be aimed at anything under B. Most of the protesting did not involve criminal acts. The more extreme acts in the vicinity of BLM protests appear to have been mostly right-wingers, whether as a false flag or for their own purposes.


...and there you have it folks.  Apparently creating your own 'autonomous zone', burning government buildings or a crowd illegally obtaining access to areas for political intimidation do not count as terrorism...

Jesus, dude, you're really pathetic as a troll...


You also fail on the second part, since I never defended the people who broke into the Capitol...

You asked for the definition of terrorism; I provided it, since jhkim did not seem interested in doing so. I was not certain what you intended to apply it to, in reply to jhkim, since he had talked about several of those things. But since we have the definition in front of us, why won't you label "the people who broke into the Capitol" as domestic terrorists?


Well, maybe I intended to apply it to the post of jhkim's that I originally quoted...


BLM riots = doubleplusgood
Trump "riot" = doubleplusbad

I'd say: as far as actions done (leaving aside the cause), the various BLM protests and riots were mixed with some good and some bad (violent/non-violent). Trump protests have also been mixed and mostly good, but specifically storming the Capitol was worse than any single BLM event.


Ahhh...the old 'terrorism is ok as long as I agree with their political motives' defense.



...and, gee, I only clarified it a second time in post#196


I don't get how you read that from what I wrote. Terrorism is not OK in any case - and I am saying that violent BLM activities are wrong. Peaceful Trump demonstrations are good, and peaceful BLM demonstrations are good. If you think that there was a single BLM event that was worse than the Capitol storming, then specify it, and we can compare.

Which bit was the Terroism bit?

Was it when the Protestors were shot?

I think you're mixing up quotes here. moonsweeper was the one who brought up terrorism. I didn't make any claim about terrorism except to say that it is bad -- because moonsweeper accused me of saying that terrorism is OK.

I haven't made any claim about someone being a terrorist, and I feel like moonsweeper's bringing it up was a distraction - that apparently worked.

Nope, no distraction...here is the quote I referenced (Bolding is mine for emphasis)

BLM riots = doubleplusgood
Trump "riot" = doubleplusbad

I'd say: as far as actions done (leaving aside the cause), the various BLM protests and riots were mixed with some good and some bad (violent/non-violent). Trump protests have also been mixed and mostly good, but specifically storming the Capitol was worse than any single BLM event.

The Kavanaugh protests were purely non-violent. That doesn't mean that the protesters were right - just that how they conducted their protest was good.

So go ahead then...enlighten us as to what makes 'Terrorism A' not as bad as 'Terrorism B.'


...nope, apparently I am still not concerned about Kavanaugh...

As to your last question...if your reading comprehension wasn't so abysmal, you would have noticed this just 4 little posts ahead of yours...



But I am perfectly willing to go down the legal road of all violence for political ends is terrorism and should be investigated as such...but damn the police and FBI will have to open a few new offices in Portland and Seattle.   :D



I thought jhkim was bad, but I wouldn't wipe my ass with the degree someone felt sorry enough to give you.


To everybody else, who has a reading comprehension above Dick & Jane, I apologize for the wall of quotations.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #243 on: January 12, 2021, 12:49:00 AM »
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Who here is willing to fight the whole of the U.S. military? Mr. Kim? rawma? HappyDaze? Others?
Who here is willing to die for the corruption forced upon us by a lying MSM/SM/Politicians?
Who here is willing to support FREEDOM, PEACE, UNITY?
Do you really think the internet was fully privatized? What entity owns the backbone? How is all information on the internet transmitted? Who captures the data?
YOU HAVE ALL BEEN WARNED! For the STORM is nearly upon us all. THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING.
For some, HISTORY WILL NOT BE KIND.
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POTUS will not go on tv to address nation. POTUS must isolate himself to prevent negative optics. POTUS knew removing criminal rogue elements as a first step was essential to free and pass legislation. Who has access to everything classified? Do you believe HRC, Soros, Obama etc have more power than Trump? Fantasy.
Whoever controls the office of the Presidecy controls this great land.
They never believed for a moment they (Democrats and Republicans) would lose control. This is not a R v D battle.
If your expecting Trump to come out and announce that a secret operation will be launched, think again!

We were not told to storm the capitol.
We were not told to take up arms.
We were not told to have the second revolution.
We were told the hold the line, no retreat…

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/01/09/national-guard-troops-deploying-dc-will-come-lethal-weapons.html
BREAKING: National Guard says it will increase troops in DC to at least 10,000 by Saturday to boost security ahead of inauguration. DC is being LOCKED DOWN , NG is being brought in, Trump wants them to do the work, they think they are in control. The mayor of DC has been fooled into demanding them. They are locking themselves in, not the people out!

I shall reiterate:
Who controls the NG? Normally the states; the state governors. During peacetime each state National Guard answers to leadership in the 50 states, three territories and the District of Columbia. During national emergencies, however, the President reserves the right to mobilize the National Guard, putting them in federal duty status.
Can the NG work in coordination w/ the marines? Yes.

Do conditions need to be satisfied to authorize? The NG is mainly activated by the states, the POTUS needs Congressional approval to activate the NG. If the states activate them, POTUS can take control of them. This would allow the Marines and the NG to work together under one set of orders. This is shown in the Posse Comitatus Act where by the POTUS can take control. However, We are in a state of National Emergency due to Pandemic. Emergency powers have NOT been removed from POTUS. DEMS feel threatened. Why else impeach POTUS?

https://www.westernjournal.com/defense-officials-confirm-trump-still-commander-chief-refuse-participate-military-coup-oust/
Department of Defense officials intend to avoid outside pressure and continue to recognize him as the commander in chief:
“Mr. Trump, they noted, is still the commander in chief; unless he is removed, the military is bound to follow his lawful orders. While military officials can refuse to carry out orders they view as illegal — or slow the process by sending those orders for careful legal review — they cannot remove the president from the chain of command. That would amount to a military coup, the officials said,” Sanger and Schmitt reported.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #244 on: January 12, 2021, 01:10:57 AM »
You are so deeply out of touch these days:




By the way, even among those who do not trust the election results, most still do not support what happened with the raid on the Capital. 35 percent of Americans don’t trust the election results. But only 8% support what happened at the Capital.

Yes, battle lines were drawn, and you chose the losing side. Like not even a question anymore, you're the loser in the room on this topic if you could only get 8% of America to side with your view. You can usually get more than 8% of America to side with ANY view. Make up any claim and poll on it and you can usually squeeze out more than 8% support on even the craziest position. That's how badly you lost this one.
There's that, and there's this:

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

Trump's approval rating went up the day after the mostly peaceful acts of Nazi terrorist patriotism in the Capitol. Just a point, but it still went up, and his approval rating is as high as it's ever been.

I'm not sure polls mean anything anymore.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #245 on: January 12, 2021, 01:30:02 AM »
You are so deeply out of touch these days:




By the way, even among those who do not trust the election results, most still do not support what happened with the raid on the Capital. 35 percent of Americans don’t trust the election results. But only 8% support what happened at the Capital.

Yes, battle lines were drawn, and you chose the losing side. Like not even a question anymore, you're the loser in the room on this topic if you could only get 8% of America to side with your view. You can usually get more than 8% of America to side with ANY view. Make up any claim and poll on it and you can usually squeeze out more than 8% support on even the craziest position. That's how badly you lost this one.
There's that, and there's this:

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

Trump's approval rating went up the day after the mostly peaceful acts of Nazi terrorist patriotism in the Capitol. Just a point, but it still went up, and his approval rating is as high as it's ever been.

I'm not sure polls mean anything anymore.

Polls have proven to be bs but Trump has a really effective cult of personality going.  All revolutionary movements have a supreme leader.  I personally think his enemies will destroy him in the end and the movement will fizzle out.  I don’t think another person could muster the charisma to keep it going as strongly.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #246 on: January 12, 2021, 07:44:28 AM »
And you've betrayed all of that to follow a pack of lying liars that endorse violence against Americans and attacks against America. Are you really so stupid? Oh well, at least you're all talk now, right?

You can not be a traitor for fighting American enemies both foreign and domestic.
The soldier doesn't designate enemies; that's for the government the soldier is serving to do. And that is why SHARK is a traitor.

Greetings!

I am not a traitor to anything. You are delusional.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Your denial gets weaker every time. Look in a mirror next time you want to see the face of the "enemy" because that's where you'll see a piece of shit advocating for violence against Americans and American institutions.

Greetings!

*Laughing* No, fuckstick, I am not the enemy. I haven't specifically advocated violence against Americans or American institutions, jackass. You have no understanding of Marxism, or its influence and infiltration into American society--nor do you fucking comprehend the threat to our Republic that Marxism presents. That is what I have advocated resisting, by all true Americans, in a variety of means. Which is what any true, patriotic American would and should support.

Unless, of course, you really do understand what Marxism is all about, because you approve of the Marxist-Globalist agenda.

But, you know what? Yeah, moron. Sometimes, violence must be used against different people. That's what the oath is all about, "Against all enemies, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC". It can become necessary, and I am a loyal patriot for supporting and honoring that sacred oath.

YOU obviously do not fucking understand it at all, or perhaps you do not care. Either way, I don't give a fuck if a wormy, coward pussy like you agrees or approves of me, or how I feel about it. You can get fucked.

You are a fucking moron and a coward. That's ok, though, jackass. The world is full of brainwashed pathetic sheep like you that are so fucking eager to get on their knees before tyranny. Wrapped up in bubble wrap, wearing your mask, groveling to the tyrant masters.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
You're wrong about damn near everything you posted here. Try harder, with more thought and less of your butthurt feelings. You can do it...maybe...

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #247 on: January 12, 2021, 08:10:34 AM »

Ah now it makes sense. You guys have no country and have been the US's dogs for how long? No wonder you were collectivelly scrambling to get selfies with Trump after he threw paper towels at you, lol.

Say what you will about Venezuela, but at least they have a country. The US don't even want you, lol.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #248 on: January 12, 2021, 08:13:46 AM »
You're wrong about damn near everything you posted here. Try harder, with more thought and less of your butthurt feelings. You can do it...maybe...

I've now seen that some veterans try to use their service as a kind of talisman to protect them from any and all criticism, lol. Anyone who defends these terroritsts should have a retroactive dishonorable discharge.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #249 on: January 12, 2021, 08:13:59 AM »
Greetings!

Here Pleb Media has a very interesting discussion about the events on Jan 6 in DC, and more. Both the host Don, and the guest, Cannabis Conservative, were present during most of the day's events.

Semper Fidelis,

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #250 on: January 12, 2021, 08:37:32 AM »
1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.
Guam will never happen. 170,000 people vs. about 500,000 for the smallest House district. They'd need to triple the number of reps. Puerto Rico is more than large enough, but can the statehood movement overcome the independence movement, and is the US willing to accept a bankrupt state?

The independence movement in Puerto Rico is VERY weak, TBH. We have three traditional political parties based around the island's political status: Pro-Statehood (Partido Nuevo Progresista "New Progressive Party"), Pro-Commonwealth/Status Quo (Partido Popular Democratico "Popular Democratic Party") and Pro-Independence (Partido Independentista Puertorriqueño "Puerto Rican Independence Party"). And in my lifetime, the pro-independence party has never gotten more than 5% of the vote. There used to be paramilitary movements, but they got crushed decades ago and they never had broad popular support in my lifetime. They used to be stronger before I was born, but a bunch of them got caught after they tried an actual armed insurrection of the US Capitol (unlike what we saw last week), and it all went downhill from there.

Every time the push for statehood has been stalled, it has been from the pro-commonwealth/status quo side, with zero plans for independence. I've never heard anyone with broad popular appeal lay out some plans that captured the public's imagination about WTF we would do as an independent nation or WTF that government would look like. The dominant forces have always been the pro-statehood party and the pro-commonwealth/status quo party (either of which have won every election in my life), so for as long as I've been alive the fight has never been about statehood vs independence, but about people who want PR to become a state vs people who have NO plans beyond perpetually being a disenfranchised US colony forever. So what really needs to be overcome for PR to become a state (aside from the US gov actually accepting PR statehood) is not the independence movement, but blind, directionless inertia.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #251 on: January 12, 2021, 08:59:14 AM »
You're wrong about damn near everything you posted here. Try harder, with more thought and less of your butthurt feelings. You can do it...maybe...

I've now seen that some veterans try to use their service as a kind of talisman to protect them from any and all criticism, lol. Anyone who defends these terroritsts should have a retroactive dishonorable discharge.
Wow, open up that can of worms, you unbelievable moron. Do you know what a D-D entails? You're effectively endorsing a felony conviction for wrongthink.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #252 on: January 12, 2021, 09:38:59 AM »
I thought jhkim was bad, but I wouldn't wipe my ass with the degree someone felt sorry enough to give you.

TBH, I think jhkim is the least bad out of everybody on the other side of this discussion. I may not always agree with him and he may come off as obtuse a lot of the time, but at least he makes a semblance of an effort of arguing in good faith. Everyone else is just a clapback imbecile with no real counterarguments and absolutely nothing of value to add--just broad yet empty and snide declarations and dismissals--or brazenly biased and partisan to the point you might as well ignore their wall of text and convoluted rationalizations, and save yourself the trouble.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #253 on: January 12, 2021, 11:19:44 AM »
Looks like they just banned Ron Paul from Facebook.

FBI sent out a notice that their are armed protests being planned in all 50-states. I kinda call bullshit on this, it sounds like an invitation to a false-flag, but who knows.

Have you ever heard the expression "shipping coal to Newscastle"? Why would the FBI, Antifa, BLM, or anyone else bother to fabricate fascists when there are so many out there already?

Because the "fascists" aren't doing what the FBI wants them to do? Let's not act like American alphabet agencies don't have a long sordid history ginning things up. I mean for fucks sake they bent over backward to make Ruby Ridge happen. Not to mention several times they've (been caught) used agent provocateurs to hound someone who is mentally ill or low IQ in to doing an act of "terror" then proudly touted themselves as heroes for stopping it.

States and their constituent apparatus are entities that seek to grow and centralize, the appearance of both threat and success and deterring said threat is good for them.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #254 on: January 12, 2021, 11:50:34 AM »
Looks like they just banned Ron Paul from Facebook.

FBI sent out a notice that their are armed protests being planned in all 50-states. I kinda call bullshit on this, it sounds like an invitation to a false-flag, but who knows.

Have you ever heard the expression "shipping coal to Newscastle"? Why would the FBI, Antifa, BLM, or anyone else bother to fabricate fascists when there are so many out there already?

Because the "fascists" aren't doing what the FBI wants them to do? Let's not act like American alphabet agencies don't have a long sordid history ginning things up. I mean for fucks sake they bent over backward to make Ruby Ridge happen. Not to mention several times they've (been caught) used agent provocateurs to hound someone who is mentally ill or low IQ in to doing an act of "terror" then proudly touted themselves as heroes for stopping it.

States and their constituent apparatus are entities that seek to grow and centralize, the appearance of both threat and success and deterring said threat is good for them.

What you need to understand is that US alphabet agencies may have been toppling foreign governments to plant US-controlled puppets and secure US interests abroad, planting false evidence and entrapping ordinary citizens who would otherwise have never seriously contemplated undertaking nefarious activities into engaging in acts of "terrorism" for almost a century, but the people protesting the Capitol are the fascists, and the ones defending the alphabet agencies are the anti-fascists.

Because logic.