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Author Topic: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021  (Read 117698 times)

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #225 on: January 11, 2021, 08:57:20 PM »
For the 30 states with republican legislators, they need to get those Dominion (it could not be more obvious if they named those machines "fuck you peasants!") cheating machines out of their states, otherwise they are going to be "voted" out of office very quickly, and then they need to impeach their democratic governors, all of whom were "elected" by election fraud.

If they do this, they could easily retake both the house and the senate, reinstate the republic and impeach Beijing Biden and Blowjob Harris, both of whom have the popularity of a raging gonorrhea infection.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #226 on: January 11, 2021, 08:58:15 PM »
I think you're mixing up quotes here. moonsweeper was the one who brought up terrorism. I didn't make any claim about terrorism except to say that it is bad -- because moonsweeper accused me of saying that terrorism is OK.

I haven't made any claim about someone being a terrorist, and I feel like moonsweeper's bringing it up was a distraction - that apparently worked.

Did you disavow the statements made by Biden regarding terrorists or did you support them?

I do not support them. In general, I find that terrorist is used as a generic buzzword for "bad person" far too much by both sides of the political spectrum. I think that particularly in casual usage, it is an over-hyped distinction. Under U.S. law, letting animals out of cages can be terrorism - while murdering dozens isn't necessarily terrorism. Particularly since it is so charged, I would prefer to discuss the morality of actions without using the label "terrorist" at all - instead judging it from other principles.

I would agree, its just like calling everyone Nazi and it is a shame to hear it from the most popular man in American electoral history.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #227 on: January 11, 2021, 09:02:29 PM »
And you've betrayed all of that to follow a pack of lying liars that endorse violence against Americans and attacks against America. Are you really so stupid? Oh well, at least you're all talk now, right?

You can not be a traitor for fighting American enemies both foreign and domestic.
The soldier doesn't designate enemies; that's for the government the soldier is serving to do. And that is why SHARK is a traitor.

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I am not a traitor to anything. You are delusional.

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Your denial gets weaker every time. Look in a mirror next time you want to see the face of the "enemy" because that's where you'll see a piece of shit advocating for violence against Americans and American institutions.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #228 on: January 11, 2021, 09:03:24 PM »
Personally, I think armed protesters storming the US Capitol combined with statements like the ones on this site about this being 'just the beginning' qualify as an attempt to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, so sure, I'm willing to agree that some of the protestors last week are terrorists.  Not CONVICTED terrorists, which I know matters to everyone here up until that person in Muslim or black.

I challenge you to find a quote from every poster to back that up. You can skip the banned ones.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #229 on: January 11, 2021, 09:26:11 PM »
No, being a traitor is when someone like Nancy Pelosi tries to take control of the US Nuclear weapons.

George Washington never sat around waiting to find out what the government wanted him to do.

By the Constitution,
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Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Since George Washington was President of the United States, he was Commander in Chief; who we would he wait around to hear from? If no war were declared, he would probably have waited for Congress to declare war before conducting a war, since that was in the Constitution and he was fairly careful to set no unfortunate precedents, so the answer is, to some extent, yes, he would, and likely similarly for other situations where the executive branch should not act without legislation from the legislative branch. Earlier, he was Commander in Chief of the Continental Army. The President as Commander in Chief recognizes that wars cannot be fought under the command of a divided committee, while limiting the power of the executive in many ways (impeachment and later the 25th amendment being among them).

George Washington was born commander in chief which caused a lot of initial trouble on the play ground.

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I'd say invading the Capitol Building, the seat of the Article I branch of the federal government, and injuring and even killing members of its police force, looks like levying war against the United States and thus treason. Nancy Pelosi asking the Joint Chiefs of Staff about something she probably knew the answer to looks like drumming up support for the stronger constitutional options, by undercutting the argument that the military would resist Trump's orders (almost certainly true for clearly illegal orders, almost certainly false for clearly legal orders).

It would have been really bad if any members of the police force had been killed by protestors but luckily the only ones hurt were the white protestors who were really asking for it by protesting against systemic corruption.

Nancy Pelosi asking to commit treason is really just another Tuesday.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #230 on: January 11, 2021, 09:31:33 PM »
Just so I can keep it straight we have the people that believe terrorists attacked the Capitol:

deadDMwalking,
rawma,
Elfdart

anyone else I missed?
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #231 on: January 11, 2021, 09:42:44 PM »
Apparently even mini-dictators Macron and Merkel think the social media companies have gone too far.  I guess they realize the High Priests of the Cathedral will come for them eventually so they want to get out ahead of it.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #232 on: January 11, 2021, 09:50:27 PM »
Just so I can keep it straight we have the people that believe terrorists attacked the Capitol:

deadDMwalking,
rawma,
Elfdart

anyone else I missed?

I have to wait on jhkim to determine if the antifa/BLM rioters fit the definition of terrorism...I need to know if we are using the legal definition or just the rhetorical mudslinging one...

unless of course he weasels by using his typical "a 'protected-class' doesn't have to be held to the same standards defense..."

But I am perfectly willing to go down the legal road of all violence for political ends is terrorism and should be investigated as such...but damn the police and FBI will have to open a few new offices in Portland and Seattle.   :D

Of course, if certain people don't believe in equal treatment under the law, then I consider their opinion on the matter irrelevant due to lack of ethical character.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #233 on: January 11, 2021, 09:53:13 PM »
1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.
Guam will never happen. 170,000 people vs. about 500,000 for the smallest House district. They'd need to triple the number of reps. Puerto Rico is more than large enough, but can the statehood movement overcome the independence movement, and is the US willing to accept a bankrupt state?

Why Pat, you make it sound like "rules" matter these days. LOL


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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #234 on: January 11, 2021, 09:54:40 PM »
Apparently even mini-dictators Macron and Merkel think the social media companies have gone too far.  I guess they realize the High Priests of the Cathedral will come for them eventually so they want to get out ahead of it.

Bingo is your name-o. Much like the ACLU is suddenly fretting about Trump's civil liberties being trodden upon. It's almost as if they realize the current stock value of "Civil Liberties" is dropping through the floor in the current market...

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #235 on: January 11, 2021, 10:06:34 PM »
Just so I can keep it straight we have the people that believe terrorists attacked the Capitol:

deadDMwalking,
rawma,
Elfdart

anyone else I missed?

I have to wait on jhkim to determine if the antifa/BLM rioters fit the definition of terrorism...I need to know if we are using the legal definition or just the rhetorical mudslinging one...

unless of course he weasels by using his typical "a 'protected-class' doesn't have to be held to the same standards defense..."

But I am perfectly willing to go down the legal road of all violence for political ends is terrorism and should be investigated as such...but damn the police and FBI will have to open a few new offices in Portland and Seattle.   :D

Of course, if certain people don't believe in equal treatment under the law, then I consider their opinion on the matter irrelevant due to lack of ethical character.

Jhkim does not agree.


I think you're mixing up quotes here. moonsweeper was the one who brought up terrorism. I didn't make any claim about terrorism except to say that it is bad -- because moonsweeper accused me of saying that terrorism is OK.

I haven't made any claim about someone being a terrorist, and I feel like moonsweeper's bringing it up was a distraction - that apparently worked.

Did you disavow the statements made by Biden regarding terrorists or did you support them?

I do not support them. In general, I find that terrorist is used as a generic buzzword for "bad person" far too much by both sides of the political spectrum. I think that particularly in casual usage, it is an over-hyped distinction. Under U.S. law, letting animals out of cages can be terrorism - while murdering dozens isn't necessarily terrorism. Particularly since it is so charged, I would prefer to discuss the morality of actions without using the label "terrorist" at all - instead judging it from other principles.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #236 on: January 11, 2021, 10:33:49 PM »
Quote from: 18 U.S. Code § 2331 - Definitions
(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States;
The discussion I was having was about the destruction/attacks committed during BLM/Antifa riots which fall under (i), (ii) and maybe (iii) and therefore mark the perpetrators as terrorists by legal definition.

Individual isolated acts are not going to fall under the definition of terrorism, unless every criminal act dangerous to human life within the United States is domestic terrorism, which would make the definition pointless as a label (which jhkim seems to believe). At BLM protests, looting was more likely opportunistic than anything under B; vandalism on an irregular scale similarly does not appear to be aimed at anything under B. Most of the protesting did not involve criminal acts. The more extreme acts in the vicinity of BLM protests appear to have been mostly right-wingers, whether as a false flag or for their own purposes.

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You also fail on the second part, since I never defended the people who broke into the Capitol...

You asked for the definition of terrorism; I provided it, since jhkim did not seem interested in doing so. I was not certain what you intended to apply it to, in reply to jhkim, since he had talked about several of those things. But since we have the definition in front of us, why won't you label "the people who broke into the Capitol" as domestic terrorists?

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #237 on: January 11, 2021, 11:23:48 PM »
And you've betrayed all of that to follow a pack of lying liars that endorse violence against Americans and attacks against America. Are you really so stupid? Oh well, at least you're all talk now, right?

You can not be a traitor for fighting American enemies both foreign and domestic.
The soldier doesn't designate enemies; that's for the government the soldier is serving to do. And that is why SHARK is a traitor.

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I am not a traitor to anything. You are delusional.

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Your denial gets weaker every time. Look in a mirror next time you want to see the face of the "enemy" because that's where you'll see a piece of shit advocating for violence against Americans and American institutions.

Greetings!

*Laughing* No, fuckstick, I am not the enemy. I haven't specifically advocated violence against Americans or American institutions, jackass. You have no understanding of Marxism, or its influence and infiltration into American society--nor do you fucking comprehend the threat to our Republic that Marxism presents. That is what I have advocated resisting, by all true Americans, in a variety of means. Which is what any true, patriotic American would and should support.

Unless, of course, you really do understand what Marxism is all about, because you approve of the Marxist-Globalist agenda.

But, you know what? Yeah, moron. Sometimes, violence must be used against different people. That's what the oath is all about, "Against all enemies, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC". It can become necessary, and I am a loyal patriot for supporting and honoring that sacred oath.

YOU obviously do not fucking understand it at all, or perhaps you do not care. Either way, I don't give a fuck if a wormy, coward pussy like you agrees or approves of me, or how I feel about it. You can get fucked.

You are a fucking moron and a coward. That's ok, though, jackass. The world is full of brainwashed pathetic sheep like you that are so fucking eager to get on their knees before tyranny. Wrapped up in bubble wrap, wearing your mask, groveling to the tyrant masters.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #238 on: January 11, 2021, 11:27:51 PM »
It would have been really bad if any members of the police force had been killed by protestors but luckily the only ones hurt were the white protestors who were really asking for it by protesting against systemic corruption.

You have an ugly amount of denial over the death of Officer Sicknick, the fifteen officers hospitalized and the dozens more injured. At least you don't claim that the Capitol Building attackers were peaceful; that would be a harder bit of denial and you should have a spotter and stretch thoroughly before attempting it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-capitol-injuires-trump/2021/01/11/ca68e3e2-5438-11eb-a08b-f1381ef3d207_story.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/533274-Capitol-Police-say-reports-of-officer%27s-death-are-wrong-

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #239 on: January 11, 2021, 11:53:36 PM »
It would have been really bad if any members of the police force had been killed by protestors but luckily the only ones hurt were the white protestors who were really asking for it by protesting against systemic corruption.

You have an ugly amount of denial over the death of Officer Sicknick, the fifteen officers hospitalized and the dozens more injured. At least you don't claim that the Capitol Building attackers were peaceful; that would be a harder bit of denial and you should have a spotter and stretch thoroughly before attempting it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-capitol-injuires-trump/2021/01/11/ca68e3e2-5438-11eb-a08b-f1381ef3d207_story.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/533274-Capitol-Police-say-reports-of-officer%27s-death-are-wrong-


Your quote says:

"Media outlets Thursday night incorrectly reported that a Capitol Hill police officer had died during the riot at the Capitol on Wednesday.
 
"Media reports regarding the death of a United States Capitol Police (USCP) officer are not accurate," Eva Malecki, communications director for the Capitol Police said in a statement. "Although some officers were injured and hospitalized yesterday, no USCP officers have passed away."

So what amount of denial should I have for poor officer Sicknick?  Every death is a tragedy.

And of course I never said that the protests were peaceful, they were only mostly peaceful interspersed with a minority of non-peace.
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