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Author Topic: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021  (Read 34607 times)

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #135 on: January 10, 2021, 07:30:57 PM »
I never said the math was wrong, I said it was applied incorrectly. Completely different things. Have you lost track of the discussion?

I never said you said his math was wrong; I was explaining that I corrected the person whose math was wrong.
You literally just said "You're welcome to talk about something else... (insert obligatory attack)... but not using mathematical errors."

Why are you doing this? There's literally no point to it.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #136 on: January 10, 2021, 07:54:40 PM »
I never said the math was wrong, I said it was applied incorrectly. Completely different things. Have you lost track of the discussion?

I never said you said his math was wrong; I was explaining that I corrected the person whose math was wrong.
You literally just said "You're welcome to talk about something else... (insert obligatory attack)... but not using mathematical errors."

Why are you doing this? There's literally no point to it.

Your segue from Hillary's comments and what it implied to the mandate was not very smooth.

I care about mathematics and I think it matters.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #137 on: January 10, 2021, 08:22:12 PM »
Your segue from Hillary's comments and what it implied to the mandate was not very smooth.

I care about mathematics and I think it matters.
I don't care about Hillary as much as you seem to, but I do care about mathematics and I think it matters. That's why I placed it in context and then addressed a broader issue than parochial partisanship. We could have discussed the different ways it could have been sliced and diced, but you shot that pooch.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #139 on: January 10, 2021, 09:45:03 PM »
I think the closest equivalent to storming the DC Capitol would be the Seattle riots that overran the Capitol Hill police station. (And the names make it an appropriate parallel.) But that was vastly smaller scale than the DC Capitol.

If you want to compare storming of the Capitol then we all remember the Kavanaugh hearing where over 300 protestors were arrested:
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Elizabeth Warren stirring up the demonstrators:
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More Kavanaugh Protestors:

But as rawma alludes to, the Kavanaugh protests were entirely peaceful - the arrests were for crowding or obstructing at most. As far as I know, no officers were injured, and there was no property damage. If the Jan 6 protests had been like this, Trump's supporters would have looked a lot better.

At least in my parallel, there were officers injured and property damage.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #140 on: January 10, 2021, 10:04:07 PM »
I think the closest equivalent to storming the DC Capitol would be the Seattle riots that overran the Capitol Hill police station. (And the names make it an appropriate parallel.) But that was vastly smaller scale than the DC Capitol.

If you want to compare storming of the Capitol then we all remember the Kavanaugh hearing where over 300 protestors were arrested:
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Elizabeth Warren stirring up the demonstrators:
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More Kavanaugh Protestors:

But as rawma alludes to, the Kavanaugh protests were entirely peaceful - the arrests were for crowding or obstructing at most. As far as I know, no officers were injured, and there was no property damage. If the Jan 6 protests had been like this, Trump's supporters would have looked a lot better.

At least in my parallel, there were officers injured and property damage.

You dont have over 300 people arrested at an entirely peaceful protest.

And as for property damage, you have insurance, right?
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #141 on: January 10, 2021, 10:44:36 PM »
But as rawma alludes to, the Kavanaugh protests were entirely peaceful - the arrests were for crowding or obstructing at most. As far as I know, no officers were injured, and there was no property damage. If the Jan 6 protests had been like this, Trump's supporters would have looked a lot better.

At least in my parallel, there were officers injured and property damage.

You dont have over 300 people arrested at an entirely peaceful protest.

And as for property damage, you have insurance, right?

The crimes they were arrested and charged with were "crowding, obstruction, or incommoding" along with "unlawful conduct" and "disorderly conduct". As far as I know, this was all done within areas legally accessible to the public. They walked in and stood there, holding signs and chanting or yelling. That is what I would call non-violent protest, like what was done by MLK Jr and the SNCC in the 1960s, which also had mass arrests.

They never pushed or struck any officers or other people.

If you disagree, could you specify what violent activities were committed?

Sources:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/capitol-police-arrest-101-people-in-washington-dc-amid-kavanaugh-protests
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/73-arrested-charged-amid-protests-at-kavanaugh-hearings
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/410015-capitol-police-make-over-300-arrests-during-anti-kavanaugh-protests
« Last Edit: January 10, 2021, 10:46:35 PM by jhkim »

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #142 on: January 10, 2021, 11:35:58 PM »
BLM riots = doubleplusgood
Trump "riot" = doubleplusbad

Civil war and/or national collapse has been earned mightily.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #143 on: January 11, 2021, 01:41:41 AM »
BLM riots = doubleplusgood
Trump "riot" = doubleplusbad

I'd say: as far as actions done (leaving aside the cause), the various BLM protests and riots were mixed with some good and some bad (violent/non-violent). Trump protests have also been mixed and mostly good, but specifically storming the Capitol was worse than any single BLM event.

The Kavanaugh protests were purely non-violent. That doesn't mean that the protesters were right - just that how they conducted their protest was good.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #144 on: January 11, 2021, 03:09:33 AM »
BLM riots = doubleplusgood
Trump "riot" = doubleplusbad

Civil war and/or national collapse has been earned mightily.

Greetings!

Indeed, Spinachcat! The Democrats sniveling corruption, duplicitous hypocrisy, and pursuit of tyranny is not going to end well. Civil War or national collapse.

The protestors at the Capital building are a good example--more will come. Next time, people will say fuck it, Marxism is here. Time to stand against tyranny, and bring guns.

"The underlying context needs to be understood! Protesters are expressing their pain, and anger at injustice and oppression! We need to listen to them, and take them seriously." And Chris Cuomo, lecturing America on national television to the great applause and support from Liberals, saying that "Who said protests have to be polite and peaceful?" That is what Democrats have all been saying about BLM and ANTIFA rioters for months

The Democrats keep cock-sucking for Marxism, we are likely to see the Troubles of Ireland breaking out all over the country. People being flame-throwered, mobbed and beaten to death, assassinated by snipers, blown the fuck up in bombs. Every week, every month, bodies will be hitting the floor. High and low, no one will be safe from the wrath and Hell that's coming.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #145 on: January 11, 2021, 03:15:31 AM »
The protestors at the Capital building are a good example--more will come.

And how many cops will they murder next time?
 

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #146 on: January 11, 2021, 04:25:42 AM »
The protestors at the Capital building are a good example--more will come.

And how many cops will they murder next time?

Greetings!

Well, as other posters have mentioned--I think it was Pat--there is certainly questions about whether the Capital police officer died from some other cause. In any event, if there is a person that is found to be guilty of assault and murder--then such a person will be prosecuted. I have heard that the Capital police officer's family have stated that their police officer died from pre-existing medical conditions, and was not murdered by anyone.

Then, of course, why are the Leftists not screaming about how a Capital police officer shot and murdered US Air Force veteran, Ashli Babbit, who was unarmed. Such an example of excessive force, right? That Capital police officer didn't have to resort to deadly force, as Ashli Babbit was unarmed, and not a threat to anyone.

Right, that is essentially the same argument made by Leftists concerning many of the BLM and ANTIFA people, and others involved with various incidents involving law enforcement.

I wonder how many BLM and ANTFA members were prosecuted for murder during the months of violent rioting, burning, and looting that gripped America for these past many months?

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #147 on: January 11, 2021, 04:27:36 AM »
January 6th will live in infamy because it was the Unveiling. The unbelievably and grotesquely obvious election fraud is the ultimate litmus test - do you stand by the theft of a Presidential election or not? And we got the answers.

NOW everyone knows who are the Patriots vs. the Traitors, and no Republican voter can make believe their party leadership stands for anything remotely American. No Democrat can pretend they have the slightest integrity. It's ONLY about a power grab and subjugation of wrongthinkers.

1/6 was the axe that divides America forever. Everyone knows where they stand - and THAT is powerful.

All that's left is the divorce or the slaughter.


Trump protests have also been mixed and mostly good, but specifically storming the Capitol was worse than any single BLM event.

Kinda hard to "storm the Capitol" when the guards open the doors for you.

And its a shame you don't have a business I can loot and burn down "for racial justice" so you can tell me how Trump's protest was so much worse than any BLM event.


And how many cops will they murder next time?

All of them? That's how an actual coup works in the real world.

But why would cops even be there under Dementia JoJo? I thought we had to Defund the Police and replace them with social workers?


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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #148 on: January 11, 2021, 06:45:59 AM »
I disagree with 'obvious and grotesque election fraud'.

There is no evidence of fraud.  Claims of fraud have been investigated.  Most of the states where fraud has been claimed - all of which are battleground states that showed Biden with a lead in pre-election polling - have Republican officials in charge of the elections.

Prior to the election, Trump claimed that it was fraud if he lost.  It would have been appropriate to take actions to prevent fraud.  Nearly every single court case was decided along the lines of 'if this was unfair you should have brought it up BEFORE the election'.  None of those contentions are actually of fraud - just states running their elections following the rule of law as they do.  Post-election, Trump demanding that states like Georgia 'find the votes' to put him in the lead are criminal attempts at stealing an election. 

The Republican secretary of state submitted a point-by-point rebuttal of every single claim.  These things are not complicated. 

The one consistent message is that every year a small number of fraudulent votes are initially counted - but they are investigated and dealt with and they are not enough to swing an election.  Not in a single state and not nationally.  While polling may have failed to capture Trump's full support (which was a major point of discussion) our best models and tools indicated this would be a close election in the Electoral College, but not in the popular vote.  That's exactly what happened.

Republican attempts to disenfranchise millions of Americans for voting their conscience are traitorous.  Our officials take an oath to uphold the constitution.  Elections are integral to the Democratic process.  Throwing out the results of this election without any evidence of fraud would not magically make things 'fair' - how would you be certain that your new 'chosen results actually reflect the will of the people?  These things can't be decided by 'feelz'.

Prior conversations about California and 'coastal elites' acknowledge that a huge chunk of this country subscribes to Democratic philosophies.  There were a few states that flipped from Trump to Biden - those states had been won by Trump by relatively small margins (some razor thin) and conventional wisdom has been that demographic changes would erase those margins.

It is not controversial that older and more religious voters are staunchly Republican, and minorities and younger voters lean Democrat.  Demographic shifts explain just about everything we saw in 2020.  There is no conspiracy required.  There was no fraud required. 

Disregarding election results because you don't like them is Un-american.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #149 on: January 11, 2021, 06:48:43 AM »
BLM riots = doubleplusgood
Trump "riot" = doubleplusbad

I'd say: as far as actions done (leaving aside the cause), the various BLM protests and riots were mixed with some good and some bad (violent/non-violent). Trump protests have also been mixed and mostly good, but specifically storming the Capitol was worse than any single BLM event.


Ahhh...the old 'terrorism is ok as long as I agree with their political motives' defense.
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