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Author Topic: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021  (Read 117800 times)

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2021, 08:34:10 PM »
Do you have a color key? You're not a moderator or administrator, so what does your red text mean? Is it just another shade of sarcastic bullshit, or something else?

Sorry did not realise that it was still your day to be King of the Colour palette.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2021, 08:39:01 PM »
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

Within U.S. history, I think the Suffrage Movement and the Civil Rights Movement provide some templates for positive action if your group is denied your rights by the current establishment. Organizing into resistance cells and planning non-violent demonstrations are good -- plus getting out your own media. Some strategy meetings should be secret, but a lot of the resistance should be open and forthright. One can plot out court cases that will maximize the chance of gaining ground and precedent.

More recently, the history of LGBT rights is one template for dealing with cancel culture. Gay people had to regularly deal with losing their jobs if they were found out, being shunned by their neighbors, and otherwise being marginalized.

Your example about LG rights is probably right and mirrors what others are mentioning.  Thank you.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2021, 08:51:33 PM »
Do you have a color key? You're not a moderator or administrator, so what does your red text mean? Is it just another shade of sarcastic bullshit, or something else?

Sorry did not realise that it was still your day to be King of the Colour palette.
So now we have "sarcastic black bold" for a variation on your same old shit.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2021, 08:59:47 PM »
Joe Biden taking this opportunity to stoke racial hatred and division.



Getting shot in the neck by a trigger happy guard (who could've just as easily killed another cop or government worker) is part of white privilege.

I would argue the lady climbing a window while a cop was aiming his gun at her and assuming she’d be fine was at least her thinking she had white privilege.  Looks like she was wrong about that.

I would argue that you or I have no idea if she thought she had some kind of white privilige that would protect her. If you have some trans-temporal mind reading power, I'd really like to know about it.

Considering the protest was a diverse crowd, and race was not a direct issue being addressed, I think you have nothing to base your assumption on. I'd be more inclined to think she'd be reliant on her sex, hoping a dude wouldn't shoot a woman
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #64 on: January 08, 2021, 09:10:09 PM »
Video of Trumpists cancelling Lyndsey Graham hard. Ignore the guy at the beginning he’s kind of a twat.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6xSAutN3su8

Dude...nobody that wasn't an establishment neocon ever trusted Lyndsey Graham to begin with...

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I love the short attention spans...although maybe that explains all the "it was ok to riot in 2020, just not in 2021" going on.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #65 on: January 08, 2021, 09:11:33 PM »
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

Within U.S. history, I think the Suffrage Movement and the Civil Rights Movement provide some templates for positive action if your group is denied your rights by the current establishment. Organizing into resistance cells and planning non-violent demonstrations are good -- plus getting out your own media. Some strategy meetings should be secret, but a lot of the resistance should be open and forthright. One can plot out court cases that will maximize the chance of gaining ground and precedent.

More recently, the history of LGBT rights is one template for dealing with cancel culture. Gay people had to regularly deal with losing their jobs if they were found out, being shunned by their neighbors, and otherwise being marginalized.

     I think you are dealing with a completely different thing given MUCH greater numbers, and Test levels.   I think it will not be the sort of resistance you want it to be.  Besides, right wingers are your enemy, and I doubt you would take advice from an enemy as to how to succeed.  I have doubts any of them will be taking that advice.

Whether they take my advice or not, those were the best examples I could think of from our own country. In any conflict, I think one should learn from one's enemies and history - and there are plenty of examples of people in history struggling with hostile and unfair government. Looking more broadly, one could also draw from revolutions in other countries, like how East Germans worked against Soviet rule, the Irish resisted English rule, or how Iranians overthrew the Shah. Those seem harder to apply to the U.S., however.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #66 on: January 08, 2021, 09:15:01 PM »
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

Within U.S. history, I think the Suffrage Movement and the Civil Rights Movement provide some templates for positive action if your group is denied your rights by the current establishment. Organizing into resistance cells and planning non-violent demonstrations are good -- plus getting out your own media. Some strategy meetings should be secret, but a lot of the resistance should be open and forthright. One can plot out court cases that will maximize the chance of gaining ground and precedent.

More recently, the history of LGBT rights is one template for dealing with cancel culture. Gay people had to regularly deal with losing their jobs if they were found out, being shunned by their neighbors, and otherwise being marginalized.

     I think you are dealing with a completely different thing given MUCH greater numbers, and Test levels.   I think it will not be the sort of resistance you want it to be.  Besides, right wingers are your enemy, and I doubt you would take advice from an enemy as to how to succeed.  I have doubts any of them will be taking that advice.

Whether they take my advice or not, those were the best examples I could think of from our own country. In any conflict, I think one should learn from one's enemies and history - and there are plenty of examples of people in history struggling with hostile and unfair government. Looking more broadly, one could also draw from revolutions in other countries, like how East Germans worked against Soviet rule, the Irish resisted English rule, or how Iranians overthrew the Shah. Those seem harder to apply to the U.S., however.

I notice that all those were resistance against a foreign power...
...well except for the Iran thing, so I guess you are advocating for a right-wing religious takeover?

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #67 on: January 08, 2021, 09:35:33 PM »
I notice that all those were resistance against a foreign power...
...well except for the Iran thing, so I guess you are advocating for a right-wing religious takeover?

 :o

Eh, it was a handful of examples I just pulled from the top of my head as recognizable to most posters. I'm not saying that the Iranian revolution was a good thing -- I'm saying it was *successful*. A better example might be the South Korean overthrow of the military in the 1987, but most posters probably don't know anything about that.

The point is, that *if* one believes one is being denied rights and treated unfairly in the current system, there are precedents in history about how one can organize to push for change. The assault on the Capitol this week doesn't look like any of them, in my opinion. Where this started was Shasarak's comment:

What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I think there are real answers to that question.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #68 on: January 08, 2021, 09:58:36 PM »
The point is, that *if* one believes one is being denied rights and treated unfairly in the current system, there are precedents in history about how one can organize to push for change. The assault on the Capitol this week doesn't look like any of them, in my opinion. Where this started was Shasarak's comment:

What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?


I think there are real answers to that question.

Yep, as a matter of fact there is an old document at the National Archives that lays out grievances like that and how to handle them when all other options fail...I think it was written by a guy named Jeff-something or other...
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2021, 10:28:55 PM »
And since Trump only won 46% of the vote in 2016, I certainly wouldn't call 'half of his supporters' 25% of the population - only 23%.  But that's just math.   
No, it's a failure to understand how to correctly apply math to the real world. In 2016, 63 million voted for Trump, and the US population was 323 million. That's 19.5% of the population. Halve that for the targets of Hillary's hate speech.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #70 on: January 08, 2021, 10:32:31 PM »
Regarding some of the comparisons of the Capitol protests and BLM, and claims of 'White Privilege" from idiots from the "left".

"In june they stormed the white house...Black Lives Matter stromed the White House, they broke the barricades...no one was killed, no one was shot...we had a group of largely people of color storming the White House and none of them were murdered" - Michael Malice

(specific timestamp below; awesome video on the storming of the Capitol, with people who were there, including the woman I posted about before)


It's all about framing, unexamined bias and people's short memory spans. I didn't even remember this. BLM actually stormed the White House and NO ONE called them "Insurgents" back then.

The White House--THE FUCKING WHITE HOUSE!

Not just a state courthouse, or the Capitol Building, but the WHITE. HOUSE.

And no one was shot by a guard with a twitchy trigger finger or called them insurgents and demanded the mass censorship of BLM. No one suggested that BLM should be cut of funding or treated this like a national emergency. Nobody gave a FUCK! But the worst riot in US history was the storming of Capitol?

Rrrrright...

Also, called it...

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #71 on: January 08, 2021, 10:39:20 PM »
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #72 on: January 08, 2021, 11:42:30 PM »
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

Within U.S. history, I think the Suffrage Movement and the Civil Rights Movement provide some templates for positive action if your group is denied your rights by the current establishment. Organizing into resistance cells and planning non-violent demonstrations are good -- plus getting out your own media. Some strategy meetings should be secret, but a lot of the resistance should be open and forthright. One can plot out court cases that will maximize the chance of gaining ground and precedent.

More recently, the history of LGBT rights is one template for dealing with cancel culture. Gay people had to regularly deal with losing their jobs if they were found out, being shunned by their neighbors, and otherwise being marginalized.

     I think you are dealing with a completely different thing given MUCH greater numbers, and Test levels.   I think it will not be the sort of resistance you want it to be.  Besides, right wingers are your enemy, and I doubt you would take advice from an enemy as to how to succeed.  I have doubts any of them will be taking that advice.

Whether they take my advice or not, those were the best examples I could think of from our own country. In any conflict, I think one should learn from one's enemies and history - and there are plenty of examples of people in history struggling with hostile and unfair government. Looking more broadly, one could also draw from revolutions in other countries, like how East Germans worked against Soviet rule, the Irish resisted English rule, or how Iranians overthrew the Shah. Those seem harder to apply to the U.S., however.

  None of those had anything approaching numbers or guns.  Which is what concerns me.  Brute force can break out, and this is a nation that was born in blood, bathes in blood, and is one day going to drown in blood.  I guess the good news is a whole lot more people these days are pussies (right or left).  The bad news is that does make the people willing to go ham a good deal more dangerous as there is less opposition. 

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #73 on: January 08, 2021, 11:59:27 PM »
  None of those had anything approaching numbers or guns.  Which is what concerns me.  Brute force can break out, and this is a nation that was born in blood, bathes in blood, and is one day going to drown in blood.  I guess the good news is a whole lot more people these days are pussies (right or left).  The bad news is that does make the people willing to go ham a good deal more dangerous as there is less opposition.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #74 on: January 09, 2021, 12:25:28 AM »
Regarding some of the comparisons of the Capitol protests and BLM, and claims of 'White Privilege" from idiots from the "left".

"In june they stormed the white house...Black Lives Matter stromed the White House, they broke the barricades...no one was killed, no one was shot...we had a group of largely people of color storming the White House and none of them were murdered" - Michael Malice

(specific timestamp below; awesome video on the storming of the Capitol, with people who were there, including the woman I posted about before)


It's all about framing, unexamined bias and people's short memory spans. I didn't even remember this. BLM actually stormed the White House and NO ONE called them "Insurgents" back then.

The White House--THE FUCKING WHITE HOUSE!

Not just a state courthouse, or the Capitol Building, but the WHITE. HOUSE.

And no one was shot by a guard with a twitchy trigger finger or called them insurgents and demanded the mass censorship of BLM. No one suggested that BLM should be cut of funding or treated this like a national emergency. Nobody gave a FUCK! But the worst riot in US history was the storming of Capitol?


LOL!

Gonna need some more realiable sources than some random dude on Youtube saying so. Protesting on the street outside the White House and making Trump shit his pants so much that he went into a bunker is not the same thing.

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.