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Author Topic: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021  (Read 62825 times)

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2021, 01:57:36 PM »
So is this the new thread for discussion of the cosplay coup?

Eager to get it shut down as well?

A: "Rioting is wrong."
B: "But they didz it too!"

Do you ever have anything of value to say, or are you here just to snipe at strawmen because you have no actual argument?

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2021, 01:58:48 PM »
I'm not defending the sjws who did it. I guess I just had better hopes of finding actual integrity here.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2021, 02:00:34 PM »
Do you ever have anything of value to say, or are you here just to snipe at strawmen because you have no actual argument?

Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2021, 02:08:24 PM »
As for the woman in the video here, believing that the day's events were a "revolution" is unfortunately misguided. It is certainly not a "Revolution"--it was a rally and protest. As BLM and ANTIFA--and all of their media lapdogs and political patrons have lectured to the rest of America for months, people out protesting and rioting are in pain, and their cause is righteous! Their voices aren't being heard!

As for being heard... Trump is constantly in the headlines - his addresses and Tweets get constant attention. His following isn't some little-known underground movement -- they're constantly being discussed in both right-leaning and left-leaning media.

Trump and his supporters being consistently brought up by media vultures trying to get clicks by sniping at the president and stoking public outrage by painting his base as "far right" neo-Nazi lunatics has fuck to do with people being heard, which is OBVIOUSLY was SHARK was talking about. Trump's tweets being used as a springboard for media headlines is meaningless. His followers, as well as other dissenting voices who may not agree with him, are constantly suppressed by social media while the voices of the establishment and their minions get promoted. Attempts to start alternative platforms get consistently shut down. That Parler exists for the time being (and mark my words, that site is going down as well) does NOT remove the fact that many other alternatives to social media and payment processing have been removed and denied vital services for their operations for YEARS.

And the so-called "Left" Intersectional lunatics are just useful idiots. AOC has done FUCK since she got elected and progressives have gotten NOTHING so far. They can't even passed a vote on Medicare for All. Intersectionality gets promoted because it causes division, not because the establishment gives one shit about "progressive" causes. NO ONE but the voice of the establishment and its boot lickers is being heard.

EDIT: grammer is hard  :P
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2021, 02:14:37 PM »
Do you ever have anything of value to say, or are you here just to snipe at strawmen because you have no actual argument?

Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

No, they haven't. EVERYONE who's brought up anything approaching a "justification" of the capitol protests has been more nuanced than that, and no one has come out and outright justified it (with the possible exception of Spinachcat, who came out saying he was "proud" of them at one point in the other thread), merely attempted to explain the causes leading up it. But you've been too busy sniping at people and making broad proclamations with bothering to quote a single post and address anything that's actually being said. You're fucking WORTHLESS.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2021, 02:25:31 PM »
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2021, 02:31:29 PM by ArrozConLeche »

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2021, 02:42:14 PM »
A: "Rioting is wrong."
B: "But they didz it too!"

I think AOC said it best: The whole point of protesting is to make people uncomfortable

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2021, 02:52:41 PM »
Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

No, they haven't. EVERYONE who's brought up anything approaching a "justification" of the capitol protests has been more nuanced than that, and no one has come out and outright justified it (with the possible exception of Spinachcat, who came out saying he was "proud" of them at one point in the other thread), merely attempted to explain the causes leading up it.

This was SHARK on the other thread:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
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Quote from: SHARK
Nancy Polosi's office has been taken. Evidently she left in such haste, she left her computer open. Patriots are reading her Emails right now, and searching her computer.

Capital Police have attempted to use mace, tear gas and batons. Whistles blowing loudly, all to no avail. Tens of thousands of Patriots marching everywhere. American flags waving like great forests. Other scenes show police merely standing by, watching as Patriots march and pour about. Police do not seem eager to be violent in general.

Thundering roars of USA! USA! USA!

More singing of the National Anthem! Thousands singing all in unison!

Entire Capital building looks like it is overwhelmed and thoroughly occupied by Patriots!

So many huge crowds everywhere! Men, women, all chanting!

MAGA!
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2021, 03:00:31 PM »
As for the woman in the video here, believing that the day's events were a "revolution" is unfortunately misguided. It is certainly not a "Revolution"--it was a rally and protest. As BLM and ANTIFA--and all of their media lapdogs and political patrons have lectured to the rest of America for months, people out protesting and rioting are in pain, and their cause is righteous! Their voices aren't being heard!

As for being heard... Trump is constantly in the headlines - his addresses and Tweets get constant attention. His following isn't some little-known underground movement -- they're constantly being discussed in both right-leaning and left-leaning media.

Your problem isn't that Trump and his supporters aren't being *heard*. The problem is that they are not being *believed*.

Screaming louder, breaking into buildings, and other extremes don't make them more believable and win people to their side. It makes them less believable.


As for Elizabeth from the video... She was a part of the day's events, and she believed it was a revolution. So I believe that's what motivated her. Here's another person speaking out about their participation:

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CEO says breaching Capitol was ‘single worst’ decision of his life
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“My decision to enter the Capitol was wrong, and I am deeply regretful to have done so,” Rukstales said in a statement. “Without qualification and as a peaceful and law-abiding citizen, I condemn the violence and destruction that took place in Washington.”

Rukstales also apologized to his family, colleagues and “fellow countrymen” for his actions.

“It was the single worst personal decision of my life,” the exec’s statement continued. “I have no excuse for my actions and wish that I could take them back.”
Source: https://nypost.com/2021/01/08/ceo-says-breaching-capitol-was-single-worst-decision-of-his-life/

Wow. It's like getting into a mob mentality turns off people's better judgement and makes them suceptible to do all kinds of stupid things.

The important point that some of us have been trying to make, is that the mainstream media and united states politicans  excused these kinds of riots when they thought they were justified. And now they're condemning them. I know you have aknowledged this, but many aren't. They are just fine with the hypocracy.

It's too fucking late to stop this shit. It's going to happen and it's going to get worse this year. We have set the precedent that violent riots are acceptable political action in America. That genie wont' go back into the bottle until everyone get exhausted.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2021, 03:06:19 PM »
Storming the capital wasn't like any of the BLM protests.  Not one. 

I thought this article from fivethirtyeight was interesting.

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Much will be said about the fact that these actions threaten the core of our democracy and undermine the rule of law. Commentators and political observers will rightly note that these actions are the result of disinformation and heightened political polarization in the United States. And there will be no shortage of debate and discussion about the role Trump played in giving rise to this kind of extreme behavior. As we have these discussions, however, we must take care to appreciate that this is not just about folks being angry about the outcome of one election. Nor should we believe for one second that this is a simple manifestation of the president’s lies about the integrity of his defeat. This is, like so much of American politics, about race, racism and white Americans’ stubborn commitment to white dominance, no matter the cost or the consequence.

Since on this site there's been so much ink spilled comparing and contrasting left versus right protests, and several people have said 'anything is justified if MY SIDE claims it' (usually accusing the other side of holding that belief) let's talk about the differences between these protests. 

So, what was the 'Stop the Steal' rally about?  Clearly it was overturning the election results that showed Biden winning over Trump.  Nobody involved in the election outside the top of the ticket argued that their own election was the result of fraud.  The results for down-ballot races closely mirror the same results at the highest level.  There are processes for preventing fraud prior to the election, Democrats offered money to increase election security, and the existing state government officials many of whom were Republican confirmed that the election was free, fair and accurate.

What Constitutional principle were they demonstrating in favor of? 

Meanwhile, we accept that governments exist to secure life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  BLM protesters argue that police violence unfairly targets innocent members of their community - literally denying them life and the freedom of movement that white Americans take for granted. 

Both protests made me uncomfortable - BLM because American has failed to deliver on the promise of equal treatment under the law.  The 'Stop the Steal' makes me uncomfortable because clearly millions of self-styled 'Patriots' are willing to abandon the rule of law and Democratic government to ensure their preferred ruler is installed. 

Democracy doesn't exist to give the veneer of respectability to autocracy - it exists to ensure the will of the people is maintained.  Fortunately, in this country we have strong protections for the minority.  Many of those protections have been under assault by the Trump administration, but I don't expect that to continue under Biden.  Nobody is coming for your guns.  Democrats aren't trying to repeal the Constitution.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2021, 03:14:29 PM »
Do you ever have anything of value to say, or are you here just to snipe at strawmen because you have no actual argument?

Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

Democrats have more than their fair share of blame to shoulder. Hilary famously called half of America "Deplorables" in order to make political hay. (And then wondered why she lost the election)
The mainstream media have covered for their malfesance and stoked the fires of indignation for clicks and views.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/533239-cnn-says-it-had-its-most-watched-day-in-history-amid-capitol-riots

Outrage is good money.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2021, 03:24:30 PM »
It was in no way right or a good thing.  But I still laugh my ass off that now the "peaceful protests" have come to the congress floor a whole bunch of repubican and democrat shitbirds are losing their minds.  They sit on their asses when Joe Mainstreet get his storefront and life destroyed, but act as if this was the first action in WW3 when those pisspants have to hide under their desks and feel an actual tingle of fear that the common person gets to experience from time to time. 

  I would get prepared to expected a good deal more of these sorts of things, and some of them are going to actually be large scale bloody.  We can all go on an on about "democracy" and will of the people, but the people "in charge" are far removed from the concerns of the people.  In the end, blood and violence decide societal future.  Always have, and always will.  There is going to be blood and violence, and where the final direction falls, take guesses, because its going to be a shit mess.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2021, 03:26:50 PM »
Storming the capital wasn't like any of the BLM protests.  Not one. 

They were all mainly peaceful protests.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2021, 03:29:26 PM »
The white flag of surrender is now the official flag of America. Imagine if the founding fathers of America said regarding the revolution,  "no violence", "we're the party of peace and law and order." They must be rolling in their graves.

All you have to do now is shout "covid!" and Americans drop to their knees and put their hands up in surrender.

Remember that scene in GoT when Cersei shredded the document and asked mockingly, "this is your protection?" The Chinese just shredded the Constitution and used it for toilet paper. They are laughing at America.

The entire world is laughing at america.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2021, 03:32:09 PM »
Democrats have more than their fair share of blame to shoulder. Hilary famously called half of America "Deplorables" in order to make political hay. (And then wondered why she lost the election)

Correction - she referred to half of Trump voters as 'deplorables'. 

Quote from: Clinton
“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?  The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”


Romney referred to 47% of Americans pretty negatively.

Quote from: Romney
There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

Of course, Trump had some unkind words for the people who rioted.  Whether they represent 'half of his supporters' isn't clear, but for round numbers, it's probably not totally inaccurate.  There are people HERE who weren't at the Capitol but think it was righteous. 

Quote from: Trump
The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy.  To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country.

Deplorable would be a $5 word for Trump (he prefers 'really bad hombres'), but I think those words indicate that he is calling them deplorables.  So, depending on what percentage of his supporters think the assault on the Capitol was justified, maybe Clinton was right? 
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