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Title: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 06, 2021, 10:43:06 AM
Greetings!

Live Coverage of the rally for President Trump in Washington, DC. Reporters on the ground there describe "An ocean of Patriots" gathered together at the Elipse area, and beyond.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 07, 2021, 07:12:42 PM
Greetings!

Here, Unite America First, is live in Washington, DC.

Coverage live also of thousands of people at the Capital building.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: consolcwby on January 07, 2021, 07:39:34 PM
Don't know if anyone saw this, but...


I sure wish I was "THAT GUY"!  ;D
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 08, 2021, 09:45:50 AM
Greetings!

Will Johnson, journalist for Unite America First, provides additional coverage in DC recently after the 600PM curfew was imposed by the DC mayor.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 08, 2021, 11:01:09 AM
Greetings!

Will Johnson, journalist for Unite America First, provides additional coverage in DC recently after the 600PM curfew was imposed by the DC mayor.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


People verbally venting their frustrations but otherwise behaving themselves...
Police acting professionally while enforcing the law...
So, that's what Nazi Germany was like? ::)
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Mistwell on January 08, 2021, 11:05:36 AM
So is this the new thread for discussion of the cosplay coup?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 08, 2021, 11:18:46 AM
So is this the new thread for discussion of the cosplay coup?
At least the denial.about the election being over should be wrapped up, and that's what the last thread was supposed to be about.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 08, 2021, 11:53:45 AM
Trump conceded. How is it not over? Who are you going to install in there?

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 08, 2021, 12:10:57 PM
From the protests, I was particularly struck by this woman's testimony:



Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 08, 2021, 12:14:40 PM
She should thank her stars she's not dead like that other poor woman or the cop. Dying for a fucking politician. What a fucking waste.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 08, 2021, 12:43:49 PM
Don't know if anyone saw this, but...


I sure wish I was "THAT GUY"!  ;D


Greetings!

Salty Cracker is great. I always enjoy his program. Good stuff, Consolcwby!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 08, 2021, 12:59:31 PM
From the protests, I was particularly struck by this woman's testimony:



Greetings!

Hello, Jhkim. Indeed, the woman engaged with police brings risks--getting smacked with a baton or maced, or shot with pepper balls are the least of worries. She could have been shot and killed by the police like the woman that was a veteran and *unarmed*--she was shot from 20 feet away, while carrying a flag.

As for the woman in the video here, believing that the day's events were a "revolution" is unfortunately misguided. It is certainly not a "Revolution"--it was a rally and protest. As BLM and ANTIFA--and all of their media lapdogs and political patrons have lectured to the rest of America for months, people out protesting and rioting are in pain, and their cause is righteous! Their voices aren't being heard! That's what Leftists have been screeching at America for months--like Chris Cuomo, of CNN told us, "Who ever said that protests have to be peaceful and non-violent?"

So, there are other Americans that want their voices heard as well.

This isn't surprising to me in the slightest.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 08, 2021, 01:04:15 PM
A: "Rioting is wrong."
B: "But they didz it too!"
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 08, 2021, 01:42:57 PM
As for the woman in the video here, believing that the day's events were a "revolution" is unfortunately misguided. It is certainly not a "Revolution"--it was a rally and protest. As BLM and ANTIFA--and all of their media lapdogs and political patrons have lectured to the rest of America for months, people out protesting and rioting are in pain, and their cause is righteous! Their voices aren't being heard!

As for being heard... Trump is constantly in the headlines - his addresses and Tweets get constant attention. His following isn't some little-known underground movement -- they're constantly being discussed in both right-leaning and left-leaning media.

Your problem isn't that Trump and his supporters aren't being *heard*. The problem is that they are not being *believed*.

Screaming louder, breaking into buildings, and other extremes don't make them more believable and win people to their side. It makes them less believable.


As for Elizabeth from the video... She was a part of the day's events, and she believed it was a revolution. So I believe that's what motivated her. Here's another person speaking out about their participation:

Quote
CEO says breaching Capitol was ‘single worst’ decision of his life
...
“My decision to enter the Capitol was wrong, and I am deeply regretful to have done so,” Rukstales said in a statement. “Without qualification and as a peaceful and law-abiding citizen, I condemn the violence and destruction that took place in Washington.”

Rukstales also apologized to his family, colleagues and “fellow countrymen” for his actions.

“It was the single worst personal decision of my life,” the exec’s statement continued. “I have no excuse for my actions and wish that I could take them back.”
Source: https://nypost.com/2021/01/08/ceo-says-breaching-capitol-was-single-worst-decision-of-his-life/
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 08, 2021, 01:43:34 PM
A: "Rioting is wrong."
B: "But they didz it too!"
I remarked elsewhere, 'This is not how you First Amendment'. But watching the narrative spin on its tail from 'protests are good' to 'protests are bad' is pretty damn amazing.

Quick! Who said this?

"The whole point of protesting is to make ppl uncomfortable. Activists take that discomfort w/the status quo & advocate for concrete policy changes. Popular support often starts small & grows. To folks who complain protest demands make others uncomfortable... that's the point."

That would be noted Trump fan Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

How about this one?

"I don't like violent protests, but I understand them. And those wagging their fingers against violent protests need to read up on their American history."

Why, that would be well-known alt-rightist Sally Kohn.

Quick, who had this headline?

"Riots are destructive, dangerous, and scary -- but can lead to serious social reforms."

Well, well, it's the clearly Koch-brothers funded Vox-dot-com!

You say you don't like it, fine. Fair enough. But you don't get to cry about how terrible 'the right' is for simply picking up the same weapons the left has been wielding nonstop for the last year.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 08, 2021, 01:57:36 PM
So is this the new thread for discussion of the cosplay coup?

Eager to get it shut down as well?

A: "Rioting is wrong."
B: "But they didz it too!"

Do you ever have anything of value to say, or are you here just to snipe at strawmen because you have no actual argument?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 08, 2021, 01:58:48 PM
I'm not defending the sjws who did it. I guess I just had better hopes of finding actual integrity here.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 08, 2021, 02:00:34 PM
Do you ever have anything of value to say, or are you here just to snipe at strawmen because you have no actual argument?

Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 08, 2021, 02:08:24 PM
As for the woman in the video here, believing that the day's events were a "revolution" is unfortunately misguided. It is certainly not a "Revolution"--it was a rally and protest. As BLM and ANTIFA--and all of their media lapdogs and political patrons have lectured to the rest of America for months, people out protesting and rioting are in pain, and their cause is righteous! Their voices aren't being heard!

As for being heard... Trump is constantly in the headlines - his addresses and Tweets get constant attention. His following isn't some little-known underground movement -- they're constantly being discussed in both right-leaning and left-leaning media.

Trump and his supporters being consistently brought up by media vultures trying to get clicks by sniping at the president and stoking public outrage by painting his base as "far right" neo-Nazi lunatics has fuck to do with people being heard, which is OBVIOUSLY was SHARK was talking about. Trump's tweets being used as a springboard for media headlines is meaningless. His followers, as well as other dissenting voices who may not agree with him, are constantly suppressed by social media while the voices of the establishment and their minions get promoted. Attempts to start alternative platforms get consistently shut down. That Parler exists for the time being (and mark my words, that site is going down as well) does NOT remove the fact that many other alternatives to social media and payment processing have been removed and denied vital services for their operations for YEARS.

And the so-called "Left" Intersectional lunatics are just useful idiots. AOC has done FUCK since she got elected and progressives have gotten NOTHING so far. They can't even passed a vote on Medicare for All. Intersectionality gets promoted because it causes division, not because the establishment gives one shit about "progressive" causes. NO ONE but the voice of the establishment and its boot lickers is being heard.

EDIT: grammer is hard  :P
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 08, 2021, 02:14:37 PM
Do you ever have anything of value to say, or are you here just to snipe at strawmen because you have no actual argument?

Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

No, they haven't. EVERYONE who's brought up anything approaching a "justification" of the capitol protests has been more nuanced than that, and no one has come out and outright justified it (with the possible exception of Spinachcat, who came out saying he was "proud" of them at one point in the other thread), merely attempted to explain the causes leading up it. But you've been too busy sniping at people and making broad proclamations with bothering to quote a single post and address anything that's actually being said. You're fucking WORTHLESS.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 08, 2021, 02:25:31 PM
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 08, 2021, 02:42:14 PM
A: "Rioting is wrong."
B: "But they didz it too!"

I think AOC said it best: The whole point of protesting is to make people uncomfortable

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 08, 2021, 02:52:41 PM
Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

No, they haven't. EVERYONE who's brought up anything approaching a "justification" of the capitol protests has been more nuanced than that, and no one has come out and outright justified it (with the possible exception of Spinachcat, who came out saying he was "proud" of them at one point in the other thread), merely attempted to explain the causes leading up it.

This was SHARK on the other thread:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159401/#msg1159401)

Quote from: SHARK
Nancy Polosi's office has been taken. Evidently she left in such haste, she left her computer open. Patriots are reading her Emails right now, and searching her computer.

Capital Police have attempted to use mace, tear gas and batons. Whistles blowing loudly, all to no avail. Tens of thousands of Patriots marching everywhere. American flags waving like great forests. Other scenes show police merely standing by, watching as Patriots march and pour about. Police do not seem eager to be violent in general.

Thundering roars of USA! USA! USA!

More singing of the National Anthem! Thousands singing all in unison!

Entire Capital building looks like it is overwhelmed and thoroughly occupied by Patriots!

So many huge crowds everywhere! Men, women, all chanting!

MAGA!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159415/#msg1159415)
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 08, 2021, 03:00:31 PM
As for the woman in the video here, believing that the day's events were a "revolution" is unfortunately misguided. It is certainly not a "Revolution"--it was a rally and protest. As BLM and ANTIFA--and all of their media lapdogs and political patrons have lectured to the rest of America for months, people out protesting and rioting are in pain, and their cause is righteous! Their voices aren't being heard!

As for being heard... Trump is constantly in the headlines - his addresses and Tweets get constant attention. His following isn't some little-known underground movement -- they're constantly being discussed in both right-leaning and left-leaning media.

Your problem isn't that Trump and his supporters aren't being *heard*. The problem is that they are not being *believed*.

Screaming louder, breaking into buildings, and other extremes don't make them more believable and win people to their side. It makes them less believable.


As for Elizabeth from the video... She was a part of the day's events, and she believed it was a revolution. So I believe that's what motivated her. Here's another person speaking out about their participation:

Quote
CEO says breaching Capitol was ‘single worst’ decision of his life
...
“My decision to enter the Capitol was wrong, and I am deeply regretful to have done so,” Rukstales said in a statement. “Without qualification and as a peaceful and law-abiding citizen, I condemn the violence and destruction that took place in Washington.”

Rukstales also apologized to his family, colleagues and “fellow countrymen” for his actions.

“It was the single worst personal decision of my life,” the exec’s statement continued. “I have no excuse for my actions and wish that I could take them back.”
Source: https://nypost.com/2021/01/08/ceo-says-breaching-capitol-was-single-worst-decision-of-his-life/

Wow. It's like getting into a mob mentality turns off people's better judgement and makes them suceptible to do all kinds of stupid things.

The important point that some of us have been trying to make, is that the mainstream media and united states politicans  excused these kinds of riots when they thought they were justified. And now they're condemning them. I know you have aknowledged this, but many aren't. They are just fine with the hypocracy.

It's too fucking late to stop this shit. It's going to happen and it's going to get worse this year. We have set the precedent that violent riots are acceptable political action in America. That genie wont' go back into the bottle until everyone get exhausted.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: deadDMwalking on January 08, 2021, 03:06:19 PM
Storming the capital wasn't like any of the BLM protests.  Not one. 

I thought this article from fivethirtyeight (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/storming-the-u-s-capitol-was-about-maintaining-white-power-in-america/) was interesting.

Quote
Much will be said about the fact that these actions threaten the core of our democracy and undermine the rule of law. Commentators and political observers will rightly note that these actions are the result of disinformation and heightened political polarization in the United States. And there will be no shortage of debate and discussion about the role Trump played in giving rise to this kind of extreme behavior. As we have these discussions, however, we must take care to appreciate that this is not just about folks being angry about the outcome of one election. Nor should we believe for one second that this is a simple manifestation of the president’s lies about the integrity of his defeat. This is, like so much of American politics, about race, racism and white Americans’ stubborn commitment to white dominance, no matter the cost or the consequence.

Since on this site there's been so much ink spilled comparing and contrasting left versus right protests, and several people have said 'anything is justified if MY SIDE claims it' (usually accusing the other side of holding that belief) let's talk about the differences between these protests. 

So, what was the 'Stop the Steal' rally about?  Clearly it was overturning the election results that showed Biden winning over Trump.  Nobody involved in the election outside the top of the ticket argued that their own election was the result of fraud.  The results for down-ballot races closely mirror the same results at the highest level.  There are processes for preventing fraud prior to the election, Democrats offered money to increase election security, and the existing state government officials many of whom were Republican confirmed that the election was free, fair and accurate.

What Constitutional principle were they demonstrating in favor of? 

Meanwhile, we accept that governments exist to secure life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  BLM protesters argue that police violence unfairly targets innocent members of their community - literally denying them life and the freedom of movement that white Americans take for granted. 

Both protests made me uncomfortable - BLM because American has failed to deliver on the promise of equal treatment under the law.  The 'Stop the Steal' makes me uncomfortable because clearly millions of self-styled 'Patriots' are willing to abandon the rule of law and Democratic government to ensure their preferred ruler is installed. 

Democracy doesn't exist to give the veneer of respectability to autocracy - it exists to ensure the will of the people is maintained.  Fortunately, in this country we have strong protections for the minority.  Many of those protections have been under assault by the Trump administration, but I don't expect that to continue under Biden.  Nobody is coming for your guns.  Democrats aren't trying to repeal the Constitution.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 08, 2021, 03:14:29 PM
Do you ever have anything of value to say, or are you here just to snipe at strawmen because you have no actual argument?

Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

Democrats have more than their fair share of blame to shoulder. Hilary famously called half of America "Deplorables" in order to make political hay. (And then wondered why she lost the election)
The mainstream media have covered for their malfesance and stoked the fires of indignation for clicks and views.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/533239-cnn-says-it-had-its-most-watched-day-in-history-amid-capitol-riots

Outrage is good money.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: oggsmash on January 08, 2021, 03:24:30 PM
It was in no way right or a good thing.  But I still laugh my ass off that now the "peaceful protests" have come to the congress floor a whole bunch of repubican and democrat shitbirds are losing their minds.  They sit on their asses when Joe Mainstreet get his storefront and life destroyed, but act as if this was the first action in WW3 when those pisspants have to hide under their desks and feel an actual tingle of fear that the common person gets to experience from time to time. 

  I would get prepared to expected a good deal more of these sorts of things, and some of them are going to actually be large scale bloody.  We can all go on an on about "democracy" and will of the people, but the people "in charge" are far removed from the concerns of the people.  In the end, blood and violence decide societal future.  Always have, and always will.  There is going to be blood and violence, and where the final direction falls, take guesses, because its going to be a shit mess.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 08, 2021, 03:26:50 PM
Storming the capital wasn't like any of the BLM protests.  Not one. 

They were all mainly peaceful protests.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Cloyer Bulse on January 08, 2021, 03:29:26 PM
The white flag of surrender is now the official flag of America. Imagine if the founding fathers of America said regarding the revolution,  "no violence", "we're the party of peace and law and order." They must be rolling in their graves.

All you have to do now is shout "covid!" and Americans drop to their knees and put their hands up in surrender.

Remember that scene in GoT when Cersei shredded the document and asked mockingly, "this is your protection?" The Chinese just shredded the Constitution and used it for toilet paper. They are laughing at America.

The entire world is laughing at america.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: deadDMwalking on January 08, 2021, 03:32:09 PM
Democrats have more than their fair share of blame to shoulder. Hilary famously called half of America "Deplorables" in order to make political hay. (And then wondered why she lost the election)

Correction - she referred to half of Trump voters as 'deplorables'. 

Quote from: Clinton
“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?  The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”


Romney referred to 47% of Americans pretty negatively.

Quote from: Romney
There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

Of course, Trump had some unkind words for the people who rioted.  Whether they represent 'half of his supporters' isn't clear, but for round numbers, it's probably not totally inaccurate.  There are people HERE who weren't at the Capitol but think it was righteous. 

Quote from: Trump
The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy.  To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country.

Deplorable would be a $5 word for Trump (he prefers 'really bad hombres'), but I think those words indicate that he is calling them deplorables.  So, depending on what percentage of his supporters think the assault on the Capitol was justified, maybe Clinton was right? 
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 08, 2021, 03:33:14 PM
Storming the capital wasn't like any of the BLM protests.  Not one. 

I thought this article from fivethirtyeight (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/storming-the-u-s-capitol-was-about-maintaining-white-power-in-america/) was interesting.

Quote
Much will be said about the fact that these actions threaten the core of our democracy and undermine the rule of law. Commentators and political observers will rightly note that these actions are the result of disinformation and heightened political polarization in the United States. And there will be no shortage of debate and discussion about the role Trump played in giving rise to this kind of extreme behavior. As we have these discussions, however, we must take care to appreciate that this is not just about folks being angry about the outcome of one election. Nor should we believe for one second that this is a simple manifestation of the president’s lies about the integrity of his defeat. This is, like so much of American politics, about race, racism and white Americans’ stubborn commitment to white dominance, no matter the cost or the consequence.

Since on this site there's been so much ink spilled comparing and contrasting left versus right protests, and several people have said 'anything is justified if MY SIDE claims it' (usually accusing the other side of holding that belief) let's talk about the differences between these protests. 

So, what was the 'Stop the Steal' rally about?  Clearly it was overturning the election results that showed Biden winning over Trump.  Nobody involved in the election outside the top of the ticket argued that their own election was the result of fraud.  The results for down-ballot races closely mirror the same results at the highest level.  There are processes for preventing fraud prior to the election, Democrats offered money to increase election security, and the existing state government officials many of whom were Republican confirmed that the election was free, fair and accurate.

What Constitutional principle were they demonstrating in favor of? 

Meanwhile, we accept that governments exist to secure life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  BLM protesters argue that police violence unfairly targets innocent members of their community - literally denying them life and the freedom of movement that white Americans take for granted. 

Both protests made me uncomfortable - BLM because American has failed to deliver on the promise of equal treatment under the law.  The 'Stop the Steal' makes me uncomfortable because clearly millions of self-styled 'Patriots' are willing to abandon the rule of law and Democratic government to ensure their preferred ruler is installed. 

Democracy doesn't exist to give the veneer of respectability to autocracy - it exists to ensure the will of the people is maintained.  Fortunately, in this country we have strong protections for the minority.  Many of those protections have been under assault by the Trump administration, but I don't expect that to continue under Biden.  Nobody is coming for your guns.  Democrats aren't trying to repeal the Constitution.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgNzK9dWsAEEBr6.jpg)

Black Lives Matter is factually wrong about their claims.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/03/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice-column/3235072001/

Breaking into the Capitol building was bad, but the protest was legitimate from a 1st Amendment perspective. BLM and Antifa have that right as well, as long as they don't break the law either.
People making mealy mouthed excuses about "whataboutism" miss the forest for the trees. Excusing one set of riots and condemning others weakens the argument that X riot was bad.

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 08, 2021, 03:40:00 PM
The white flag of surrender is now the official flag of America. Imagine if the founding fathers of America said regarding the revolution,  "no violence", "we're the party of peace and law and order." They must be rolling in their graves.

All you have to do now is shout "covid!" and Americans drop to their knees and put their hands up in surrender.

Remember that scene in GoT when Cersei shredded the document and asked mockingly, "this is your protection?" The Chinese just shredded the Constitution and used it for toilet paper. They are laughing at America.

The entire world is laughing at america.

Maybe consider that a good number of Americans don't want your far right brand  nor the far left brand  of 'revolution'. 
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 08, 2021, 03:43:46 PM
Democrats have more than their fair share of blame to shoulder. Hilary famously called half of America "Deplorables" in order to make political hay. (And then wondered why she lost the election)

Correction - she referred to half of Trump voters as 'deplorables'. 

Quote from: Clinton
“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?  The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

I stand corrected. Do you think her claim was accurate? That 25% of Americans are deplorable?

Quote
Romney referred to 47% of Americans pretty negatively.

Quote from: Romney
There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

I tend to agree with the idea that government assistance can create perverse incentives. I also think that some government assistance is probably a good idea. The trick is balancing the system so that it doesn't trap people into the very problems the program is trying to help with. So far, Democrats have shown a severe lack of aknowledgement of the perverse incentive problem.

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Of course, Trump had some unkind words for the people who rioted.  Whether they represent 'half of his supporters' isn't clear, but for round numbers, it's probably not totally inaccurate.  There are people HERE who weren't at the Capitol but think it was righteous. 

Quote from: Trump
The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy.  To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country.

Deplorable would be a $5 word for Trump (he prefers 'really bad hombres'), but I think those words indicate that he is calling them deplorables.  So, depending on what percentage of his supporters think the assault on the Capitol was justified, maybe Clinton was right?

I would be very hesitant to use this message board as evidence of anything. We have posters who have blatantly stated their political postings are trolling and posturing. And we don't know how many do and are maintaing a facade of sincerity. And many are "internet tough guys", fed up with the rhetoric and slinging some right back.

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 08, 2021, 03:45:16 PM
(https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5ff65288cf85b50272c47d4d/960x0.jpg?cropX1=0&cropX2=8192&cropY1=416&cropY2=5026)

I think this is one of my favourites
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 08, 2021, 03:47:07 PM
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

Damn, you found the most sarcastic poster on the boards calling them "Patriots" after several others insisted on referring to them as "Insurrectionists" in prior posts. You really got me on that one. I guess this means we ALL now supported people storming the Capitol 100% with zero reservations, and agree entirely that it was a brilliant idea cuz ONE guy called them "Patriots" at one point. Like people can't be "Patriots" and do stupid misguided shit at the same time.

A: "Rioting is wrong."
B: "But they didz it too!"

I think AOC said it best: The whole point of protesting is to make people uncomfortable

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/55777165/shes-right-you-know.jpg)

Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

No, they haven't. EVERYONE who's brought up anything approaching a "justification" of the capitol protests has been more nuanced than that, and no one has come out and outright justified it (with the possible exception of Spinachcat, who came out saying he was "proud" of them at one point in the other thread), merely attempted to explain the causes leading up it.

This was SHARK on the other thread:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159401/#msg1159401)

Quote from: SHARK
Nancy Polosi's office has been taken. Evidently she left in such haste, she left her computer open. Patriots are reading her Emails right now, and searching her computer.

Capital Police have attempted to use mace, tear gas and batons. Whistles blowing loudly, all to no avail. Tens of thousands of Patriots marching everywhere. American flags waving like great forests. Other scenes show police merely standing by, watching as Patriots march and pour about. Police do not seem eager to be violent in general.

Thundering roars of USA! USA! USA!

More singing of the National Anthem! Thousands singing all in unison!

Entire Capital building looks like it is overwhelmed and thoroughly occupied by Patriots!

So many huge crowds everywhere! Men, women, all chanting!

MAGA!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159415/#msg1159415)

Yeah, I forgot about that post. Still doesn't change the fact that people who were actually discussing the protest, as opposed to just bring up the news of the day while cheering for their side, gave far more nuanced reasons than "but they did it first!", which was the actual point.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 08, 2021, 03:50:53 PM

Democracy doesn't exist to give the veneer of respectability to autocracy - it exists to ensure the will of the people is maintained.  Fortunately, in this country we have strong protections for the minority.  Many of those protections have been under assault by the Trump administration, but I don't expect that to continue under Biden.  Nobody is coming for your guns.  Democrats aren't trying to repeal the Constitution.
No, they'd just rather 'encourage' other entities to not do business with or give any succor to people with wrongthink views.

CNN's Oliver Darcy is demanding TV and cable providers deplatform news stations that are insufficiently left.
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1347465189252341764?s=20

Democracy, right?

And 'nobody is coming for your guns'? My God, do you believe what you're saying? The only reason the Dems have pulled back from gun control in recent years is because it's been like sticking the fork in the wall outlet, from an election standpoint. Heck, Florida alone is facing seven crap tier gun control bills this year.

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 08, 2021, 03:53:40 PM
Storming the capital wasn't like any of the BLM protests.  Not one. 

I thought this article from fivethirtyeight (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/storming-the-u-s-capitol-was-about-maintaining-white-power-in-america/) was interesting.

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Much will be said about the fact that these actions threaten the core of our democracy and undermine the rule of law. Commentators and political observers will rightly note that these actions are the result of disinformation and heightened political polarization in the United States. And there will be no shortage of debate and discussion about the role Trump played in giving rise to this kind of extreme behavior. As we have these discussions, however, we must take care to appreciate that this is not just about folks being angry about the outcome of one election. Nor should we believe for one second that this is a simple manifestation of the president’s lies about the integrity of his defeat. This is, like so much of American politics, about race, racism and white Americans’ stubborn commitment to white dominance, no matter the cost or the consequence.

Since on this site there's been so much ink spilled comparing and contrasting left versus right protests, and several people have said 'anything is justified if MY SIDE claims it' (usually accusing the other side of holding that belief) let's talk about the differences between these protests. 

So, what was the 'Stop the Steal' rally about?  Clearly it was overturning the election results that showed Biden winning over Trump.  Nobody involved in the election outside the top of the ticket argued that their own election was the result of fraud.  The results for down-ballot races closely mirror the same results at the highest level.  There are processes for preventing fraud prior to the election, Democrats offered money to increase election security, and the existing state government officials many of whom were Republican confirmed that the election was free, fair and accurate.

What Constitutional principle were they demonstrating in favor of? 

Meanwhile, we accept that governments exist to secure life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  BLM protesters argue that police violence unfairly targets innocent members of their community - literally denying them life and the freedom of movement that white Americans take for granted. 

Both protests made me uncomfortable - BLM because American has failed to deliver on the promise of equal treatment under the law.  The 'Stop the Steal' makes me uncomfortable because clearly millions of self-styled 'Patriots' are willing to abandon the rule of law and Democratic government to ensure their preferred ruler is installed. 

Democracy doesn't exist to give the veneer of respectability to autocracy - it exists to ensure the will of the people is maintained.  Fortunately, in this country we have strong protections for the minority.  Many of those protections have been under assault by the Trump administration, but I don't expect that to continue under Biden.  Nobody is coming for your guns.  Democrats aren't trying to repeal the Constitution.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgNzK9dWsAEEBr6.jpg)

Black Lives Matter is factually wrong about their claims.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/03/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice-column/3235072001/

Breaking into the Capitol building was bad, but the protest was legitimate from a 1st Amendment perspective. BLM and Antifa have that right as well, as long as they don't break the law either.
People making mealy mouthed excuses about "whataboutism" miss the forest for the trees. Excusing one set of riots and condemning others weakens the argument that X riot was bad.

Furthermore, for my own part at least, I would actually agree with the BLM protests as well (maybe even the riots as well, or at least understand why they happen), if they weren't based almost entirely on pure bullshit and they didn't go out of their way to assault, antagonize and sometimes MURDER people, as well as destroy working people's businesses and private property. People have a right to protest and a right to be angry if they aren't being heard. My issue with them is that they're a clusterfuck of chaos and destruction targeted at ordinary people and based largely on lies and misinformation, not that I oppose people ever protesting or even loosing their shit if they're truly being abused and ignored by the system, which to an extend they arguably might be, just not the way they claim it to be.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 08, 2021, 04:05:44 PM
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

Damn, you found the most sarcastic poster on the boards calling them "Patriots" after several others insisted on referring to them as "Insurrectionists" in prior posts. You really got me on that one. I guess this means we ALL now supported people storming the Capitol 100% with zero reservations, and agree entirely that it was a brilliant idea cuz ONE guy called them "Patriots" at one point. Like people can't be "Patriots" and do stupid misguided shit at the same time.

Damn right they are patriots.

Whats wrong with you people, how are you ok with the mass destruction of the middle class of your own country and think that fucking $600 covers all the damages.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: deadDMwalking on January 08, 2021, 04:08:37 PM
I stand corrected. Do you think her claim was accurate? That 25% of Americans are deplorable?

I think that's an interesting question.  There are a couple of definitions for the word - (1)deserving strong condemnation (2)shockingly bad in quality.  For the use of the first definition, I think that the mob attacking the capitol deserve strong condemnation, so I think it's fair to say that I find them deplorable.

And since Trump only won 46% of the vote in 2016, I certainly wouldn't call 'half of his supporters' 25% of the population - only 23%.  But that's just math. 

But let's take a look at a recent poll (https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-01/america-united-in-opposition-to-the-pro-trump-mob-assaulting-the-capitol-6-1-2021.pdf):

Quote from: Five Thirty Eight
Polls so far — and we are still very early in this news cycle — have found that a solid majority of Americans opposed the unrest in Washington, D.C. In a YouGov poll, 71 percent of registered voters opposed the “storming of the Capitol” (63 percent of them “strongly”), and 62 percent viewed it as “a threat to democracy.” Similarly, 70 percent of respondents to an Ipsos poll opposed “the protesters who broke into the Capitol.” And, according to a Morning Consult/Politico survey, 59 percent of registered voters think the perpetrators should be viewed as “domestic terrorists.”

However, a not-small 19 percent of Ipsos respondents said that they supported the rioters. In the YouGov poll, 21 percent said the same (including 14 percent who strongly supported storming the Capitol), and 32 percent did not believe that the occupation constituted a threat to democracy. Those who backed it were disproportionately Republican: 45 percent of GOP voters supported the siege, while 43 percent opposed it.

If we can agree that the mob deserves 'strong condemnation', and 45% of GOP voters support the mob, that'd work out to 21% of Americans. 

I think I'm comfortable with saying that it's deplorable that 21% of American support this type of violence.  I'm less comfortable with saying 'they're deplorable', but that has more to do with talking about the whole person.  I'm sure some of those people are obnoxious alcoholic abusers that have raped their own children, and it'd be pretty hard to find them redeemable in any way, and some of them are god-fearing pillars of their community active in social outreach programs that do good things even though they have some reprehensible beliefs.  But at the moment, I'm thinking that an off-the-cuff comment about how terrible some of the people who support Trump are, I don't find it particularly inaccurate. 

I don't know if Clinton provided any more clarity to her remarks, but I do think that some beliefs (like white supremacy and islamophobia) qualify as 'shockingly bad in quality', and from that perspective, those who hold them could be referred to as 'deplorable'.  Again, I don't think that EXACTLY HALF of Trump supporters qualify under that definition, but if that's somewhere between 25-45%, calling it 'half' isn't too inexcusable an exaggeration.  So, I don't think that the comment itself is necessarily wrong - just some people were upset that she was painting with too broad a brush. 

But yeah, laying aside all nuance and discussion of semantics, I would agree that some Trump supporters are deplorable. 
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 08, 2021, 04:14:43 PM
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

Damn, you found the most sarcastic poster on the boards calling them "Patriots" after several others insisted on referring to them as "Insurrectionists" in prior posts. You really got me on that one. I guess this means we ALL now supported people storming the Capitol 100% with zero reservations, and agree entirely that it was a brilliant idea cuz ONE guy called them "Patriots" at one point. Like people can't be "Patriots" and do stupid misguided shit at the same time.

Damn right they are patriots.

Whats wrong with you people, how are you ok with the mass destruction of the middle class of your own country and think that fucking $600 covers all the damages.

I don't. I think Covid has been politicized in order to shift massive amounts of wealth from the middle class to the big corps.

I also don't think the DC riot was 1. About that. They specifically were there to protest the election and the appearance of impropriety that was dismissed and ridiculed by the media and politicians and 2. A good way to accomplish that goal.

It was mob mentality emotional venting. Just like BLM/Antifa.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 08, 2021, 04:17:24 PM

What are the statistics on Demos not condemning/supporting BLM riots strongly enough? Condoning that shit is deplorable as well.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 08, 2021, 04:21:24 PM
I stand corrected. Do you think her claim was accurate? That 25% of Americans are deplorable?

I think that's an interesting question.  There are a couple of definitions for the word - (1)deserving strong condemnation (2)shockingly bad in quality.  For the use of the first definition, I think that the mob attacking the capitol deserve strong condemnation, so I think it's fair to say that I find them deplorable.

And since Trump only won 46% of the vote in 2016, I certainly wouldn't call 'half of his supporters' 25% of the population - only 23%.  But that's just math. 

But let's take a look at a recent poll (https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-01/america-united-in-opposition-to-the-pro-trump-mob-assaulting-the-capitol-6-1-2021.pdf):

Quote from: Five Thirty Eight
Polls so far — and we are still very early in this news cycle — have found that a solid majority of Americans opposed the unrest in Washington, D.C. In a YouGov poll, 71 percent of registered voters opposed the “storming of the Capitol” (63 percent of them “strongly”), and 62 percent viewed it as “a threat to democracy.” Similarly, 70 percent of respondents to an Ipsos poll opposed “the protesters who broke into the Capitol.” And, according to a Morning Consult/Politico survey, 59 percent of registered voters think the perpetrators should be viewed as “domestic terrorists.”

However, a not-small 19 percent of Ipsos respondents said that they supported the rioters. In the YouGov poll, 21 percent said the same (including 14 percent who strongly supported storming the Capitol), and 32 percent did not believe that the occupation constituted a threat to democracy. Those who backed it were disproportionately Republican: 45 percent of GOP voters supported the siege, while 43 percent opposed it.

If we can agree that the mob deserves 'strong condemnation', and 45% of GOP voters support the mob, that'd work out to 21% of Americans. 

I think I'm comfortable with saying that it's deplorable that 21% of American support this type of violence.  I'm less comfortable with saying 'they're deplorable', but that has more to do with talking about the whole person.  I'm sure some of those people are obnoxious alcoholic abusers that have raped their own children, and it'd be pretty hard to find them redeemable in any way, and some of them are god-fearing pillars of their community active in social outreach programs that do good things even though they have some reprehensible beliefs.  But at the moment, I'm thinking that an off-the-cuff comment about how terrible some of the people who support Trump are, I don't find it particularly inaccurate. 

I don't know if Clinton provided any more clarity to her remarks, but I do think that some beliefs (like white supremacy and islamophobia) qualify as 'shockingly bad in quality', and from that perspective, those who hold them could be referred to as 'deplorable'.  Again, I don't think that EXACTLY HALF of Trump supporters qualify under that definition, but if that's somewhere between 25-45%, calling it 'half' isn't too inexcusable an exaggeration.  So, I don't think that the comment itself is necessarily wrong - just some people were upset that she was painting with too broad a brush. 

But yeah, laying aside all nuance and discussion of semantics, I would agree that some Trump supporters are deplorable.

You are making some incredible leaps in order to connect all those dots. For one example, it's not clear that someone who supports the riots is necessarily a phobe or an ist, or *rolleyes* a child abuser. And all to come to a rather weak reply that "some" are deplorable.

I'm sure some amount of BLM supporters are child rapists or wife beaters or jaywalkers.

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 08, 2021, 04:43:26 PM
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

Damn, you found the most sarcastic poster on the boards calling them "Patriots" after several others insisted on referring to them as "Insurrectionists" in prior posts. You really got me on that one. I guess this means we ALL now supported people storming the Capitol 100% with zero reservations, and agree entirely that it was a brilliant idea cuz ONE guy called them "Patriots" at one point. Like people can't be "Patriots" and do stupid misguided shit at the same time.

A: "Rioting is wrong."
B: "But they didz it too!"

I think AOC said it best: The whole point of protesting is to make people uncomfortable

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/55777165/shes-right-you-know.jpg)

Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

No, they haven't. EVERYONE who's brought up anything approaching a "justification" of the capitol protests has been more nuanced than that, and no one has come out and outright justified it (with the possible exception of Spinachcat, who came out saying he was "proud" of them at one point in the other thread), merely attempted to explain the causes leading up it.

This was SHARK on the other thread:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159401/#msg1159401)

Quote from: SHARK
Nancy Polosi's office has been taken. Evidently she left in such haste, she left her computer open. Patriots are reading her Emails right now, and searching her computer.

Capital Police have attempted to use mace, tear gas and batons. Whistles blowing loudly, all to no avail. Tens of thousands of Patriots marching everywhere. American flags waving like great forests. Other scenes show police merely standing by, watching as Patriots march and pour about. Police do not seem eager to be violent in general.

Thundering roars of USA! USA! USA!

More singing of the National Anthem! Thousands singing all in unison!

Entire Capital building looks like it is overwhelmed and thoroughly occupied by Patriots!

So many huge crowds everywhere! Men, women, all chanting!

MAGA!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159415/#msg1159415)

Yeah, I forgot about that post. Still doesn't change the fact that people who were actually discussing the protest, as opposed to just bring up the news of the day while cheering for their side, gave far more nuanced reasons than "but they did it first!", which was the actual point.

Greetings!

Exactly, my friend! I watched several live videos, each covering some of the same scenes, and some with different aspects. The first video I posted in this thread, here, had coverage of the Save America rally, and President Trump's speech. Very interesting, cool, and it was inspiring.

Most of the witnesses and reporters on the scene described hundreds of thousands of American patriots attending--most likely well over a million people attending. It looked amazing and awe inspiring in my view.

There were something like, I don't know, several hundred, maybe a few thousand people that specifically stormed into the Capital building. Out of a million people attending.

I think it is tragic that several people died during the event. I think that political violence is a tragic and terrible--and as I have explained to my friends, regardless of how righteous someone may feel such violence is necessary--it will still be tragic, terrible, and horrifying for everyone involved. Take a look at our own American Revolution and the American Civil War. Look at the British Civil War, the war between Parliament and the King, look at the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, not to mention the civil wars and political struggles in the twilight of the Republic during ancient Rome--and in more modern times as well, the Troubles in Ireland, and the civil war in Ukraine. Terrible atrocities, huge numbers of people slaughtered, imprisoned, tortured, starved, crushed, impoverished and oppressed. Good, bad, and indifferent, young and old, men, women, and children. The blood and fire covered everyone.

Civil War is terrible, and I certainly do not want to see America go into a civil war.

And you're quite right. Patriots can do stupid things too, just like other people. Protesting is good, and a right that we have under our Constitutional Republic. The whole "Mob mentality" thing can--and often does--get swept up and out of control. Anyone that has ever been in a *really large* group, there can definitely be felt a kind of energy, and it can definitely influence people to do things without thinking. Shifting from protesting to *rioting* by some of the patriots attending the events in Washington, DC, was unfortunate.

Meanwhile, as you and others have commented, none of these events and responses are surprising. The Marxist Democrats have applauded and SUPPORTED political violence and "Mostly Peaceful Protests" for months now. Lots of money given to BLM and Antifa by Democrats, politicians, the media, celebrities, all along while being justified and glorified. None of these fucking corrupt Democrat politicians shed a tear or screeched about "Insurrection!" when cities all across America were being burned to the ground and good Americans hunted down and beaten, robbed, assaulted, and killed. FOR MONTHS. There's always nuances, and context. The monstrous hypocrisy of the corrupt, Marxist Democrats is absolutely disgusting. Why was the siege of the Federal Courthouse in Portland allowed to go on--for months--and this riot at the Capital building reacted to and ended within hours? Somehow, the Portland courthouse siege wasn't viewed as an "Insurrection!"--but the unarmed rioting at the Capital buiding in DC is an "Insurrection"? The DC event was not a coup or an insurrection--it was a rally, and then a protest. The Marxist Democrats in this country can continue with their hypocrisy, their censorship, their oppression, their fraud, lies and corruption, and their subversion of our Constitutional Republic--and somehow, patriotic Americans everywhere are just expected to get on their knees and swallow it down?

I don't think that is how it will go down. The DC protest and riot is a symptom of what is to come.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 08, 2021, 04:48:35 PM
I don't. I think Covid has been politicized in order to shift massive amounts of wealth from the middle class to the big corps.

I also don't think the DC riot was 1. About that. They specifically were there to protest the election and the appearance of impropriety that was dismissed and ridiculed by the media and politicians and 2. A good way to accomplish that goal.

It was mob mentality emotional venting. Just like BLM/Antifa.

What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 08, 2021, 05:03:46 PM
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

I don't know, like, not voting for the same type of people who feed their constituents to the corporations?  Just because they use wedge issues to pander to voters, doesn't mean they have the best interests at heart.   
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 08, 2021, 05:20:28 PM
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

I don't know, like, not voting for the same type of people who feed their constituents to the corporations?  Just because they use wedge issues to pander to voters, doesn't mean they have the best interests at heart.

You missed the corrupt elections bit, right?

Except, of course, for Cobb county.  Those guys know how to run an election.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 08, 2021, 05:23:03 PM
It just came to me that the best way to stop things like this happening again would be more gun regulation.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 08, 2021, 05:33:09 PM
I don't. I think Covid has been politicized in order to shift massive amounts of wealth from the middle class to the big corps.

I also don't think the DC riot was 1. About that. They specifically were there to protest the election and the appearance of impropriety that was dismissed and ridiculed by the media and politicians and 2. A good way to accomplish that goal.

It was mob mentality emotional venting. Just like BLM/Antifa.

What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

There are a couple options off the top of my head. Not mutually exclusive, of course.
1. Passive resistance. Stop participaing in the corrupt process. And I mean not voting and not paying any taxes. If enough people stopped rewarding the machine, it would grind to a halt.
2. Active resistance. Arguably what the DC protest should have been. Get enough people out there making their voices heard, and sway public opinion towards your side with good arguments and behavior that does not make your side look like crazies. I'm looking at you, buckskin dude with the horned hat.
3. Create alternate media. This is already happening and the mainstream media are getting clobbered over it.



Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 08, 2021, 05:58:20 PM
I don't. I think Covid has been politicized in order to shift massive amounts of wealth from the middle class to the big corps.

I also don't think the DC riot was 1. About that. They specifically were there to protest the election and the appearance of impropriety that was dismissed and ridiculed by the media and politicians and 2. A good way to accomplish that goal.

It was mob mentality emotional venting. Just like BLM/Antifa.

What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

There are a couple options off the top of my head. Not mutually exclusive, of course.
1. Passive resistance. Stop participaing in the corrupt process. And I mean not voting and not paying any taxes. If enough people stopped rewarding the machine, it would grind to a halt.
2. Active resistance. Arguably what the DC protest should have been. Get enough people out there making their voices heard, and sway public opinion towards your side with good arguments and behavior that does not make your side look like crazies. I'm looking at you, buckskin dude with the horned hat.
3. Create alternate media. This is already happening and the mainstream media are getting clobbered over it.

Do you know how hard it is for a normal person to do any kind of tax avoision.

What are you going to do ask your boss to pay you in cash under the table?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 08, 2021, 05:59:57 PM
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

Damn, you found the most sarcastic poster on the boards calling them "Patriots" after several others insisted on referring to them as "Insurrectionists" in prior posts. You really got me on that one. I guess this means we ALL now supported people storming the Capitol 100% with zero reservations, and agree entirely that it was a brilliant idea cuz ONE guy called them "Patriots" at one point. Like people can't be "Patriots" and do stupid misguided shit at the same time.

Damn right they are patriots.

Whats wrong with you people, how are you ok with the mass destruction of the middle class of your own country and think that fucking $600 covers all the damages.
Do you have a color key? You're not a moderator or administrator, so what does your red text mean? Is it just another shade of sarcastic bullshit, or something else?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 08, 2021, 06:03:40 PM
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

Damn, you found the most sarcastic poster on the boards calling them "Patriots" after several others insisted on referring to them as "Insurrectionists" in prior posts. You really got me on that one. I guess this means we ALL now supported people storming the Capitol 100% with zero reservations, and agree entirely that it was a brilliant idea cuz ONE guy called them "Patriots" at one point. Like people can't be "Patriots" and do stupid misguided shit at the same time.

A: "Rioting is wrong."
B: "But they didz it too!"

I think AOC said it best: The whole point of protesting is to make people uncomfortable

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/55777165/shes-right-you-know.jpg)

Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

No, they haven't. EVERYONE who's brought up anything approaching a "justification" of the capitol protests has been more nuanced than that, and no one has come out and outright justified it (with the possible exception of Spinachcat, who came out saying he was "proud" of them at one point in the other thread), merely attempted to explain the causes leading up it.

This was SHARK on the other thread:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159401/#msg1159401)

Quote from: SHARK
Nancy Polosi's office has been taken. Evidently she left in such haste, she left her computer open. Patriots are reading her Emails right now, and searching her computer.

Capital Police have attempted to use mace, tear gas and batons. Whistles blowing loudly, all to no avail. Tens of thousands of Patriots marching everywhere. American flags waving like great forests. Other scenes show police merely standing by, watching as Patriots march and pour about. Police do not seem eager to be violent in general.

Thundering roars of USA! USA! USA!

More singing of the National Anthem! Thousands singing all in unison!

Entire Capital building looks like it is overwhelmed and thoroughly occupied by Patriots!

So many huge crowds everywhere! Men, women, all chanting!

MAGA!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159415/#msg1159415)

Yeah, I forgot about that post. Still doesn't change the fact that people who were actually discussing the protest, as opposed to just bring up the news of the day while cheering for their side, gave far more nuanced reasons than "but they did it first!", which was the actual point.

Greetings!

Exactly, my friend! I watched several live videos, each covering some of the same scenes, and some with different aspects. The first video I posted in this thread, here, had coverage of the Save America rally, and President Trump's speech. Very interesting, cool, and it was inspiring.

Most of the witnesses and reporters on the scene described hundreds of thousands of American patriots attending--most likely well over a million people attending. It looked amazing and awe inspiring in my view.

There were something like, I don't know, several hundred, maybe a few thousand people that specifically stormed into the Capital building. Out of a million people attending.

I think it is tragic that several people died during the event. I think that political violence is a tragic and terrible--and as I have explained to my friends, regardless of how righteous someone may feel such violence is necessary--it will still be tragic, terrible, and horrifying for everyone involved. Take a look at our own American Revolution and the American Civil War. Look at the British Civil War, the war between Parliament and the King, look at the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, not to mention the civil wars and political struggles in the twilight of the Republic during ancient Rome--and in more modern times as well, the Troubles in Ireland, and the civil war in Ukraine. Terrible atrocities, huge numbers of people slaughtered, imprisoned, tortured, starved, crushed, impoverished and oppressed. Good, bad, and indifferent, young and old, men, women, and children. The blood and fire covered everyone.

Civil War is terrible, and I certainly do not want to see America go into a civil war.

And you're quite right. Patriots can do stupid things too, just like other people. Protesting is good, and a right that we have under our Constitutional Republic. The whole "Mob mentality" thing can--and often does--get swept up and out of control. Anyone that has ever been in a *really large* group, there can definitely be felt a kind of energy, and it can definitely influence people to do things without thinking. Shifting from protesting to *rioting* by some of the patriots attending the events in Washington, DC, was unfortunate.

Meanwhile, as you and others have commented, none of these events and responses are surprising. The Marxist Democrats have applauded and SUPPORTED political violence and "Mostly Peaceful Protests" for months now. Lots of money given to BLM and Antifa by Democrats, politicians, the media, celebrities, all along while being justified and glorified. None of these fucking corrupt Democrat politicians shed a tear or screeched about "Insurrection!" when cities all across America were being burned to the ground and good Americans hunted down and beaten, robbed, assaulted, and killed. FOR MONTHS. There's always nuances, and context. The monstrous hypocrisy of the corrupt, Marxist Democrats is absolutely disgusting. Why was the siege of the Federal Courthouse in Portland allowed to go on--for months--and this riot at the Capital building reacted to and ended within hours? Somehow, the Portland courthouse siege wasn't viewed as an "Insurrection!"--but the unarmed rioting at the Capital buiding in DC is an "Insurrection"? The DC event was not a coup or an insurrection--it was a rally, and then a protest. The Marxist Democrats in this country can continue with their hypocrisy, their censorship, their oppression, their fraud, lies and corruption, and their subversion of our Constitutional Republic--and somehow, patriotic Americans everywhere are just expected to get on their knees and swallow it down?

I don't think that is how it will go down. The DC protest and riot is a symptom of what is to come.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
You are so full of shit. This post of yours is a nice weasel-worded way for you to back away from your more traitorous and vile speech though, so congratulations on at least kicking some dirt over your pile of shit this time.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: myleftnut on January 08, 2021, 06:15:47 PM
Video of Trumpists cancelling Lyndsey Graham hard. Ignore the guy at the beginning he’s kind of a twat.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6xSAutN3su8
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 08, 2021, 06:18:24 PM
I don't. I think Covid has been politicized in order to shift massive amounts of wealth from the middle class to the big corps.

I also don't think the DC riot was 1. About that. They specifically were there to protest the election and the appearance of impropriety that was dismissed and ridiculed by the media and politicians and 2. A good way to accomplish that goal.

It was mob mentality emotional venting. Just like BLM/Antifa.

What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

There are a couple options off the top of my head. Not mutually exclusive, of course.
1. Passive resistance. Stop participaing in the corrupt process. And I mean not voting and not paying any taxes. If enough people stopped rewarding the machine, it would grind to a halt.
2. Active resistance. Arguably what the DC protest should have been. Get enough people out there making their voices heard, and sway public opinion towards your side with good arguments and behavior that does not make your side look like crazies. I'm looking at you, buckskin dude with the horned hat.
3. Create alternate media. This is already happening and the mainstream media are getting clobbered over it.

Do you know how hard it is for a normal person to do any kind of tax avoision.

What are you going to do ask your boss to pay you in cash under the table?

There are ways to minimize your participation in the system. And if you're at the point that you think tossing a fire extinguisher at a cop and killing them is acceptable collateral damage (not to assume, but that's part of the fallout of this riot), is working under the table such an extreme suggestion?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 08, 2021, 06:56:54 PM
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

Damn, you found the most sarcastic poster on the boards calling them "Patriots" after several others insisted on referring to them as "Insurrectionists" in prior posts. You really got me on that one. I guess this means we ALL now supported people storming the Capitol 100% with zero reservations, and agree entirely that it was a brilliant idea cuz ONE guy called them "Patriots" at one point. Like people can't be "Patriots" and do stupid misguided shit at the same time.

A: "Rioting is wrong."
B: "But they didz it too!"

I think AOC said it best: The whole point of protesting is to make people uncomfortable

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/55777165/shes-right-you-know.jpg)

Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

No, they haven't. EVERYONE who's brought up anything approaching a "justification" of the capitol protests has been more nuanced than that, and no one has come out and outright justified it (with the possible exception of Spinachcat, who came out saying he was "proud" of them at one point in the other thread), merely attempted to explain the causes leading up it.

This was SHARK on the other thread:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159401/#msg1159401)

Quote from: SHARK
Nancy Polosi's office has been taken. Evidently she left in such haste, she left her computer open. Patriots are reading her Emails right now, and searching her computer.

Capital Police have attempted to use mace, tear gas and batons. Whistles blowing loudly, all to no avail. Tens of thousands of Patriots marching everywhere. American flags waving like great forests. Other scenes show police merely standing by, watching as Patriots march and pour about. Police do not seem eager to be violent in general.

Thundering roars of USA! USA! USA!

More singing of the National Anthem! Thousands singing all in unison!

Entire Capital building looks like it is overwhelmed and thoroughly occupied by Patriots!

So many huge crowds everywhere! Men, women, all chanting!

MAGA!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159415/#msg1159415)

Yeah, I forgot about that post. Still doesn't change the fact that people who were actually discussing the protest, as opposed to just bring up the news of the day while cheering for their side, gave far more nuanced reasons than "but they did it first!", which was the actual point.

Greetings!

Exactly, my friend! I watched several live videos, each covering some of the same scenes, and some with different aspects. The first video I posted in this thread, here, had coverage of the Save America rally, and President Trump's speech. Very interesting, cool, and it was inspiring.

Most of the witnesses and reporters on the scene described hundreds of thousands of American patriots attending--most likely well over a million people attending. It looked amazing and awe inspiring in my view.

There were something like, I don't know, several hundred, maybe a few thousand people that specifically stormed into the Capital building. Out of a million people attending.

I think it is tragic that several people died during the event. I think that political violence is a tragic and terrible--and as I have explained to my friends, regardless of how righteous someone may feel such violence is necessary--it will still be tragic, terrible, and horrifying for everyone involved. Take a look at our own American Revolution and the American Civil War. Look at the British Civil War, the war between Parliament and the King, look at the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, not to mention the civil wars and political struggles in the twilight of the Republic during ancient Rome--and in more modern times as well, the Troubles in Ireland, and the civil war in Ukraine. Terrible atrocities, huge numbers of people slaughtered, imprisoned, tortured, starved, crushed, impoverished and oppressed. Good, bad, and indifferent, young and old, men, women, and children. The blood and fire covered everyone.

Civil War is terrible, and I certainly do not want to see America go into a civil war.

And you're quite right. Patriots can do stupid things too, just like other people. Protesting is good, and a right that we have under our Constitutional Republic. The whole "Mob mentality" thing can--and often does--get swept up and out of control. Anyone that has ever been in a *really large* group, there can definitely be felt a kind of energy, and it can definitely influence people to do things without thinking. Shifting from protesting to *rioting* by some of the patriots attending the events in Washington, DC, was unfortunate.

Meanwhile, as you and others have commented, none of these events and responses are surprising. The Marxist Democrats have applauded and SUPPORTED political violence and "Mostly Peaceful Protests" for months now. Lots of money given to BLM and Antifa by Democrats, politicians, the media, celebrities, all along while being justified and glorified. None of these fucking corrupt Democrat politicians shed a tear or screeched about "Insurrection!" when cities all across America were being burned to the ground and good Americans hunted down and beaten, robbed, assaulted, and killed. FOR MONTHS. There's always nuances, and context. The monstrous hypocrisy of the corrupt, Marxist Democrats is absolutely disgusting. Why was the siege of the Federal Courthouse in Portland allowed to go on--for months--and this riot at the Capital building reacted to and ended within hours? Somehow, the Portland courthouse siege wasn't viewed as an "Insurrection!"--but the unarmed rioting at the Capital buiding in DC is an "Insurrection"? The DC event was not a coup or an insurrection--it was a rally, and then a protest. The Marxist Democrats in this country can continue with their hypocrisy, their censorship, their oppression, their fraud, lies and corruption, and their subversion of our Constitutional Republic--and somehow, patriotic Americans everywhere are just expected to get on their knees and swallow it down?

I don't think that is how it will go down. The DC protest and riot is a symptom of what is to come.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

From what I've seen and heard there was far more to this rally and the protests than the people who entered the Capitol. I was watching a video someone posted in the other thread last night (below), of a woman who went to the protest, but stayed outside the building, and she recounted her experiences of the event, how there were thousands of people there from all walks of life, backgrounds and even ethnicities (contrary to the frequent claims of "white privilege" that have been trending in leftist social media--implying that this was all white people)--she even saw pair of old grannies all dressed up, like they were going to church storming the Capitol and she was inspired by the sight and just kept going. And despite the media focus on the violence and the tragedy that happened inside, she said that the VAST majority of the protest was peaceful and lively, full of people chanting and being cool with one another, in a great atmosphere of sharing and joy--nothing like how the media has portrayed it.

Even in the clips of people inside the Capitol you can see how these people were non-aggressive and just goofing around, taking selfies with the cops or playing around with podiums and stuff. There's a stark contrast between that and the images of burning cities that took place in some of the BLM protests. Breaking into the Capitol Building was certainly ill advised and horrible optics, which led to a terrible tragedy, but to pretend that it was somehow worse or even in equal footing to some of the stuff that happened in numerous leftist protests is absurd. If anything the seat of the government is PRECISELY where you're supposed to protest--not at the cities, burning buildings and looting stores, but at the place where the lawmakers who have consistently failed the American public are at. THOSE are the people who need to answer for the state of the nation, not innocent people in the streets or store owners. But now protesting at the Capitol is being portrayed as worse (or at least just as bad) than burning down cities and killing innocent people?

I don't know. But we're heading to a dark place. And all of this is part of a symptom of a larger problem and a feeling of deep dissatisfaction in the American public that just going to continue to escalate now that they're talking of clamping down on this sort of thing, and more people are being silenced all across social media, purging their voices and crushing dissent. And there's only one direction that ever goes throughout history.

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 08, 2021, 07:01:04 PM
Joe Biden taking this opportunity to stoke racial hatred and division.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErP2RpsUcAAc8H-?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 08, 2021, 07:01:05 PM
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

I don't know, like, not voting for the same type of people who feed their constituents to the corporations?  Just because they use wedge issues to pander to voters, doesn't mean they have the best interests at heart.

You mean like the people who voted for AOC after making a lot of noise about making people "uncomfortable" and stuff, then she immediately got corrupted the moment she walked into her new cushy government job with a higher pay bracket and the influence of political creatures, like Nancy Pelosi, who made her her pet?

You don't change the corrupt system, the system changes you.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 08, 2021, 07:02:55 PM
Joe Biden taking this opportunity to stoke racial hatred and division.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErP2RpsUcAAc8H-?format=jpg&name=small)

Getting shot in the neck by a trigger happy guard (who could've just as easily killed another cop or government worker) is part of white privilege.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 08, 2021, 07:05:57 PM
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

Within U.S. history, I think the Suffrage Movement and the Civil Rights Movement provide some templates for positive action if your group is denied your rights by the current establishment. Organizing into resistance cells and planning non-violent demonstrations are good -- plus getting out your own media. Some strategy meetings should be secret, but a lot of the resistance should be open and forthright. One can plot out court cases that will maximize the chance of gaining ground and precedent.

More recently, the history of LGBT rights is one template for dealing with cancel culture. Gay people had to regularly deal with losing their jobs if they were found out, being shunned by their neighbors, and otherwise being marginalized.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: oggsmash on January 08, 2021, 07:20:09 PM
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

Within U.S. history, I think the Suffrage Movement and the Civil Rights Movement provide some templates for positive action if your group is denied your rights by the current establishment. Organizing into resistance cells and planning non-violent demonstrations are good -- plus getting out your own media. Some strategy meetings should be secret, but a lot of the resistance should be open and forthright. One can plot out court cases that will maximize the chance of gaining ground and precedent.

More recently, the history of LGBT rights is one template for dealing with cancel culture. Gay people had to regularly deal with losing their jobs if they were found out, being shunned by their neighbors, and otherwise being marginalized.

     I think you are dealing with a completely different thing given MUCH greater numbers, and Test levels.   I think it will not be the sort of resistance you want it to be.  Besides, right wingers are your enemy, and I doubt you would take advice from an enemy as to how to succeed.  I have doubts any of them will be taking that advice.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: myleftnut on January 08, 2021, 08:18:13 PM
Joe Biden taking this opportunity to stoke racial hatred and division.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErP2RpsUcAAc8H-?format=jpg&name=small)

Getting shot in the neck by a trigger happy guard (who could've just as easily killed another cop or government worker) is part of white privilege.

I would argue the lady climbing a window while a cop was aiming his gun at her and assuming she’d be fine was at least her thinking she had white privilege.  Looks like she was wrong about that. 
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 08, 2021, 08:34:10 PM
Do you have a color key? You're not a moderator or administrator, so what does your red text mean? Is it just another shade of sarcastic bullshit, or something else?

Sorry did not realise that it was still your day to be King of the Colour palette.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 08, 2021, 08:39:01 PM
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

Within U.S. history, I think the Suffrage Movement and the Civil Rights Movement provide some templates for positive action if your group is denied your rights by the current establishment. Organizing into resistance cells and planning non-violent demonstrations are good -- plus getting out your own media. Some strategy meetings should be secret, but a lot of the resistance should be open and forthright. One can plot out court cases that will maximize the chance of gaining ground and precedent.

More recently, the history of LGBT rights is one template for dealing with cancel culture. Gay people had to regularly deal with losing their jobs if they were found out, being shunned by their neighbors, and otherwise being marginalized.

Your example about LG rights is probably right and mirrors what others are mentioning.  Thank you.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 08, 2021, 08:51:33 PM
Do you have a color key? You're not a moderator or administrator, so what does your red text mean? Is it just another shade of sarcastic bullshit, or something else?

Sorry did not realise that it was still your day to be King of the Colour palette.
So now we have "sarcastic black bold" for a variation on your same old shit.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 08, 2021, 08:59:47 PM
Joe Biden taking this opportunity to stoke racial hatred and division.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErP2RpsUcAAc8H-?format=jpg&name=small)

Getting shot in the neck by a trigger happy guard (who could've just as easily killed another cop or government worker) is part of white privilege.

I would argue the lady climbing a window while a cop was aiming his gun at her and assuming she’d be fine was at least her thinking she had white privilege.  Looks like she was wrong about that.

I would argue that you or I have no idea if she thought she had some kind of white privilige that would protect her. If you have some trans-temporal mind reading power, I'd really like to know about it.

Considering the protest was a diverse crowd, and race was not a direct issue being addressed, I think you have nothing to base your assumption on. I'd be more inclined to think she'd be reliant on her sex, hoping a dude wouldn't shoot a woman
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: moonsweeper on January 08, 2021, 09:10:09 PM
Video of Trumpists cancelling Lyndsey Graham hard. Ignore the guy at the beginning he’s kind of a twat.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6xSAutN3su8

Dude...nobody that wasn't an establishment neocon ever trusted Lyndsey Graham to begin with...

Quote
If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it.
— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) May 3, 2016

I love the short attention spans...although maybe that explains all the "it was ok to riot in 2020, just not in 2021" going on.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 08, 2021, 09:11:33 PM
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

Within U.S. history, I think the Suffrage Movement and the Civil Rights Movement provide some templates for positive action if your group is denied your rights by the current establishment. Organizing into resistance cells and planning non-violent demonstrations are good -- plus getting out your own media. Some strategy meetings should be secret, but a lot of the resistance should be open and forthright. One can plot out court cases that will maximize the chance of gaining ground and precedent.

More recently, the history of LGBT rights is one template for dealing with cancel culture. Gay people had to regularly deal with losing their jobs if they were found out, being shunned by their neighbors, and otherwise being marginalized.

     I think you are dealing with a completely different thing given MUCH greater numbers, and Test levels.   I think it will not be the sort of resistance you want it to be.  Besides, right wingers are your enemy, and I doubt you would take advice from an enemy as to how to succeed.  I have doubts any of them will be taking that advice.

Whether they take my advice or not, those were the best examples I could think of from our own country. In any conflict, I think one should learn from one's enemies and history - and there are plenty of examples of people in history struggling with hostile and unfair government. Looking more broadly, one could also draw from revolutions in other countries, like how East Germans worked against Soviet rule, the Irish resisted English rule, or how Iranians overthrew the Shah. Those seem harder to apply to the U.S., however.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: moonsweeper on January 08, 2021, 09:15:01 PM
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

Within U.S. history, I think the Suffrage Movement and the Civil Rights Movement provide some templates for positive action if your group is denied your rights by the current establishment. Organizing into resistance cells and planning non-violent demonstrations are good -- plus getting out your own media. Some strategy meetings should be secret, but a lot of the resistance should be open and forthright. One can plot out court cases that will maximize the chance of gaining ground and precedent.

More recently, the history of LGBT rights is one template for dealing with cancel culture. Gay people had to regularly deal with losing their jobs if they were found out, being shunned by their neighbors, and otherwise being marginalized.

     I think you are dealing with a completely different thing given MUCH greater numbers, and Test levels.   I think it will not be the sort of resistance you want it to be.  Besides, right wingers are your enemy, and I doubt you would take advice from an enemy as to how to succeed.  I have doubts any of them will be taking that advice.

Whether they take my advice or not, those were the best examples I could think of from our own country. In any conflict, I think one should learn from one's enemies and history - and there are plenty of examples of people in history struggling with hostile and unfair government. Looking more broadly, one could also draw from revolutions in other countries, like how East Germans worked against Soviet rule, the Irish resisted English rule, or how Iranians overthrew the Shah. Those seem harder to apply to the U.S., however.

I notice that all those were resistance against a foreign power...
...well except for the Iran thing, so I guess you are advocating for a right-wing religious takeover?

 :o
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 08, 2021, 09:35:33 PM
I notice that all those were resistance against a foreign power...
...well except for the Iran thing, so I guess you are advocating for a right-wing religious takeover?

 :o

Eh, it was a handful of examples I just pulled from the top of my head as recognizable to most posters. I'm not saying that the Iranian revolution was a good thing -- I'm saying it was *successful*. A better example might be the South Korean overthrow of the military in the 1987, but most posters probably don't know anything about that.

The point is, that *if* one believes one is being denied rights and treated unfairly in the current system, there are precedents in history about how one can organize to push for change. The assault on the Capitol this week doesn't look like any of them, in my opinion. Where this started was Shasarak's comment:

What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I think there are real answers to that question.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: moonsweeper on January 08, 2021, 09:58:36 PM
The point is, that *if* one believes one is being denied rights and treated unfairly in the current system, there are precedents in history about how one can organize to push for change. The assault on the Capitol this week doesn't look like any of them, in my opinion. Where this started was Shasarak's comment:

What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?


I think there are real answers to that question.

Yep, as a matter of fact there is an old document at the National Archives that lays out grievances like that and how to handle them when all other options fail...I think it was written by a guy named Jeff-something or other...
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 08, 2021, 10:28:55 PM
And since Trump only won 46% of the vote in 2016, I certainly wouldn't call 'half of his supporters' 25% of the population - only 23%.  But that's just math.   
No, it's a failure to understand how to correctly apply math to the real world. In 2016, 63 million voted for Trump, and the US population was 323 million. That's 19.5% of the population. Halve that for the targets of Hillary's hate speech.

Remember that the next time a politician talks about a "mandate". Even the most popular and charismatic president-to-be of all time, the silver-haired and silver-tongued man who was so universally beloved he just hid in his basement during almost the entire campaign and still got the most votes in history by a record-breaking margin, didn't even manage to get 1/4 the country to vote him.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 08, 2021, 10:32:31 PM
Regarding some of the comparisons of the Capitol protests and BLM, and claims of 'White Privilege" from idiots from the "left".

"In june they stormed the white house...Black Lives Matter stromed the White House, they broke the barricades...no one was killed, no one was shot...we had a group of largely people of color storming the White House and none of them were murdered" - Michael Malice

(specific timestamp below; awesome video on the storming of the Capitol, with people who were there, including the woman I posted about before)


It's all about framing, unexamined bias and people's short memory spans. I didn't even remember this. BLM actually stormed the White House and NO ONE called them "Insurgents" back then.

The White House--THE FUCKING WHITE HOUSE!

Not just a state courthouse, or the Capitol Building, but the WHITE. HOUSE.

And no one was shot by a guard with a twitchy trigger finger or called them insurgents and demanded the mass censorship of BLM. No one suggested that BLM should be cut of funding or treated this like a national emergency. Nobody gave a FUCK! But the worst riot in US history was the storming of Capitol?

Rrrrright...

Also, called it...

https://www.macrumors.com/2021/01/08/apple-parler-app-store-ban-possible/
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 08, 2021, 10:39:20 PM
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?
The next relief bill will have a huge payout for hair stylists.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: oggsmash on January 08, 2021, 11:42:30 PM
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

Within U.S. history, I think the Suffrage Movement and the Civil Rights Movement provide some templates for positive action if your group is denied your rights by the current establishment. Organizing into resistance cells and planning non-violent demonstrations are good -- plus getting out your own media. Some strategy meetings should be secret, but a lot of the resistance should be open and forthright. One can plot out court cases that will maximize the chance of gaining ground and precedent.

More recently, the history of LGBT rights is one template for dealing with cancel culture. Gay people had to regularly deal with losing their jobs if they were found out, being shunned by their neighbors, and otherwise being marginalized.

     I think you are dealing with a completely different thing given MUCH greater numbers, and Test levels.   I think it will not be the sort of resistance you want it to be.  Besides, right wingers are your enemy, and I doubt you would take advice from an enemy as to how to succeed.  I have doubts any of them will be taking that advice.

Whether they take my advice or not, those were the best examples I could think of from our own country. In any conflict, I think one should learn from one's enemies and history - and there are plenty of examples of people in history struggling with hostile and unfair government. Looking more broadly, one could also draw from revolutions in other countries, like how East Germans worked against Soviet rule, the Irish resisted English rule, or how Iranians overthrew the Shah. Those seem harder to apply to the U.S., however.

  None of those had anything approaching numbers or guns.  Which is what concerns me.  Brute force can break out, and this is a nation that was born in blood, bathes in blood, and is one day going to drown in blood.  I guess the good news is a whole lot more people these days are pussies (right or left).  The bad news is that does make the people willing to go ham a good deal more dangerous as there is less opposition. 
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 08, 2021, 11:59:27 PM
  None of those had anything approaching numbers or guns.  Which is what concerns me.  Brute force can break out, and this is a nation that was born in blood, bathes in blood, and is one day going to drown in blood.  I guess the good news is a whole lot more people these days are pussies (right or left).  The bad news is that does make the people willing to go ham a good deal more dangerous as there is less opposition.
Long live the United States of Elizabeth Bathory!
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 09, 2021, 12:25:28 AM
Regarding some of the comparisons of the Capitol protests and BLM, and claims of 'White Privilege" from idiots from the "left".

"In june they stormed the white house...Black Lives Matter stromed the White House, they broke the barricades...no one was killed, no one was shot...we had a group of largely people of color storming the White House and none of them were murdered" - Michael Malice

(specific timestamp below; awesome video on the storming of the Capitol, with people who were there, including the woman I posted about before)


It's all about framing, unexamined bias and people's short memory spans. I didn't even remember this. BLM actually stormed the White House and NO ONE called them "Insurgents" back then.

The White House--THE FUCKING WHITE HOUSE!

Not just a state courthouse, or the Capitol Building, but the WHITE. HOUSE.

And no one was shot by a guard with a twitchy trigger finger or called them insurgents and demanded the mass censorship of BLM. No one suggested that BLM should be cut of funding or treated this like a national emergency. Nobody gave a FUCK! But the worst riot in US history was the storming of Capitol?


LOL!

Gonna need some more realiable sources than some random dude on Youtube saying so. Protesting on the street outside the White House and making Trump shit his pants so much that he went into a bunker is not the same thing.

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 09, 2021, 01:55:42 AM
Regarding some of the comparisons of the Capitol protests and BLM, and claims of 'White Privilege" from idiots from the "left".

"In june they stormed the white house...Black Lives Matter stromed the White House, they broke the barricades...no one was killed, no one was shot...we had a group of largely people of color storming the White House and none of them were murdered" - Michael Malice
...
It's all about framing, unexamined bias and people's short memory spans. I didn't even remember this. BLM actually stormed the White House and NO ONE called them "Insurgents" back then.

Source? As far as I saw, all of the June 2020 protests were *outside* the White House - and they were dispersed with tear gas and stun grenades from the area. Here's some video from the time:




EDITED TO ADD: I guess one could read "broke the barricades" to mean that they pushed past barricades on the street - but as far as I saw, no one got up to the White House building itself, let alone broke inside and looted the place.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Garry G on January 09, 2021, 04:23:43 AM
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

Damn, you found the most sarcastic poster on the boards calling them "Patriots" after several others insisted on referring to them as "Insurrectionists" in prior posts. You really got me on that one. I guess this means we ALL now supported people storming the Capitol 100% with zero reservations, and agree entirely that it was a brilliant idea cuz ONE guy called them "Patriots" at one point. Like people can't be "Patriots" and do stupid misguided shit at the same time.

A: "Rioting is wrong."
B: "But they didz it too!"

I think AOC said it best: The whole point of protesting is to make people uncomfortable

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/55777165/shes-right-you-know.jpg)

Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

No, they haven't. EVERYONE who's brought up anything approaching a "justification" of the capitol protests has been more nuanced than that, and no one has come out and outright justified it (with the possible exception of Spinachcat, who came out saying he was "proud" of them at one point in the other thread), merely attempted to explain the causes leading up it.

This was SHARK on the other thread:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159401/#msg1159401)

Quote from: SHARK
Nancy Polosi's office has been taken. Evidently she left in such haste, she left her computer open. Patriots are reading her Emails right now, and searching her computer.

Capital Police have attempted to use mace, tear gas and batons. Whistles blowing loudly, all to no avail. Tens of thousands of Patriots marching everywhere. American flags waving like great forests. Other scenes show police merely standing by, watching as Patriots march and pour about. Police do not seem eager to be violent in general.

Thundering roars of USA! USA! USA!

More singing of the National Anthem! Thousands singing all in unison!

Entire Capital building looks like it is overwhelmed and thoroughly occupied by Patriots!

So many huge crowds everywhere! Men, women, all chanting!

MAGA!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159415/#msg1159415)

Yeah, I forgot about that post. Still doesn't change the fact that people who were actually discussing the protest, as opposed to just bring up the news of the day while cheering for their side, gave far more nuanced reasons than "but they did it first!", which was the actual point.

Greetings!

Exactly, my friend! I watched several live videos, each covering some of the same scenes, and some with different aspects. The first video I posted in this thread, here, had coverage of the Save America rally, and President Trump's speech. Very interesting, cool, and it was inspiring.

Most of the witnesses and reporters on the scene described hundreds of thousands of American patriots attending--most likely well over a million people attending. It looked amazing and awe inspiring in my view.

There were something like, I don't know, several hundred, maybe a few thousand people that specifically stormed into the Capital building. Out of a million people attending.

I think it is tragic that several people died during the event. I think that political violence is a tragic and terrible--and as I have explained to my friends, regardless of how righteous someone may feel such violence is necessary--it will still be tragic, terrible, and horrifying for everyone involved. Take a look at our own American Revolution and the American Civil War. Look at the British Civil War, the war between Parliament and the King, look at the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, not to mention the civil wars and political struggles in the twilight of the Republic during ancient Rome--and in more modern times as well, the Troubles in Ireland, and the civil war in Ukraine. Terrible atrocities, huge numbers of people slaughtered, imprisoned, tortured, starved, crushed, impoverished and oppressed. Good, bad, and indifferent, young and old, men, women, and children. The blood and fire covered everyone.

Civil War is terrible, and I certainly do not want to see America go into a civil war.

And you're quite right. Patriots can do stupid things too, just like other people. Protesting is good, and a right that we have under our Constitutional Republic. The whole "Mob mentality" thing can--and often does--get swept up and out of control. Anyone that has ever been in a *really large* group, there can definitely be felt a kind of energy, and it can definitely influence people to do things without thinking. Shifting from protesting to *rioting* by some of the patriots attending the events in Washington, DC, was unfortunate.

Meanwhile, as you and others have commented, none of these events and responses are surprising. The Marxist Democrats have applauded and SUPPORTED political violence and "Mostly Peaceful Protests" for months now. Lots of money given to BLM and Antifa by Democrats, politicians, the media, celebrities, all along while being justified and glorified. None of these fucking corrupt Democrat politicians shed a tear or screeched about "Insurrection!" when cities all across America were being burned to the ground and good Americans hunted down and beaten, robbed, assaulted, and killed. FOR MONTHS. There's always nuances, and context. The monstrous hypocrisy of the corrupt, Marxist Democrats is absolutely disgusting. Why was the siege of the Federal Courthouse in Portland allowed to go on--for months--and this riot at the Capital building reacted to and ended within hours? Somehow, the Portland courthouse siege wasn't viewed as an "Insurrection!"--but the unarmed rioting at the Capital buiding in DC is an "Insurrection"? The DC event was not a coup or an insurrection--it was a rally, and then a protest. The Marxist Democrats in this country can continue with their hypocrisy, their censorship, their oppression, their fraud, lies and corruption, and their subversion of our Constitutional Republic--and somehow, patriotic Americans everywhere are just expected to get on their knees and swallow it down?

I don't think that is how it will go down. The DC protest and riot is a symptom of what is to come.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


There's never been a. British Civil War
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 09, 2021, 06:06:52 AM
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

Damn, you found the most sarcastic poster on the boards calling them "Patriots" after several others insisted on referring to them as "Insurrectionists" in prior posts. You really got me on that one. I guess this means we ALL now supported people storming the Capitol 100% with zero reservations, and agree entirely that it was a brilliant idea cuz ONE guy called them "Patriots" at one point. Like people can't be "Patriots" and do stupid misguided shit at the same time.

A: "Rioting is wrong."
B: "But they didz it too!"

I think AOC said it best: The whole point of protesting is to make people uncomfortable

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/55777165/shes-right-you-know.jpg)

Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

No, they haven't. EVERYONE who's brought up anything approaching a "justification" of the capitol protests has been more nuanced than that, and no one has come out and outright justified it (with the possible exception of Spinachcat, who came out saying he was "proud" of them at one point in the other thread), merely attempted to explain the causes leading up it.

This was SHARK on the other thread:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159401/#msg1159401)

Quote from: SHARK
Nancy Polosi's office has been taken. Evidently she left in such haste, she left her computer open. Patriots are reading her Emails right now, and searching her computer.

Capital Police have attempted to use mace, tear gas and batons. Whistles blowing loudly, all to no avail. Tens of thousands of Patriots marching everywhere. American flags waving like great forests. Other scenes show police merely standing by, watching as Patriots march and pour about. Police do not seem eager to be violent in general.

Thundering roars of USA! USA! USA!

More singing of the National Anthem! Thousands singing all in unison!

Entire Capital building looks like it is overwhelmed and thoroughly occupied by Patriots!

So many huge crowds everywhere! Men, women, all chanting!

MAGA!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159415/#msg1159415)

Yeah, I forgot about that post. Still doesn't change the fact that people who were actually discussing the protest, as opposed to just bring up the news of the day while cheering for their side, gave far more nuanced reasons than "but they did it first!", which was the actual point.

Greetings!

Exactly, my friend! I watched several live videos, each covering some of the same scenes, and some with different aspects. The first video I posted in this thread, here, had coverage of the Save America rally, and President Trump's speech. Very interesting, cool, and it was inspiring.

Most of the witnesses and reporters on the scene described hundreds of thousands of American patriots attending--most likely well over a million people attending. It looked amazing and awe inspiring in my view.

There were something like, I don't know, several hundred, maybe a few thousand people that specifically stormed into the Capital building. Out of a million people attending.

I think it is tragic that several people died during the event. I think that political violence is a tragic and terrible--and as I have explained to my friends, regardless of how righteous someone may feel such violence is necessary--it will still be tragic, terrible, and horrifying for everyone involved. Take a look at our own American Revolution and the American Civil War. Look at the British Civil War, the war between Parliament and the King, look at the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, not to mention the civil wars and political struggles in the twilight of the Republic during ancient Rome--and in more modern times as well, the Troubles in Ireland, and the civil war in Ukraine. Terrible atrocities, huge numbers of people slaughtered, imprisoned, tortured, starved, crushed, impoverished and oppressed. Good, bad, and indifferent, young and old, men, women, and children. The blood and fire covered everyone.

Civil War is terrible, and I certainly do not want to see America go into a civil war.

And you're quite right. Patriots can do stupid things too, just like other people. Protesting is good, and a right that we have under our Constitutional Republic. The whole "Mob mentality" thing can--and often does--get swept up and out of control. Anyone that has ever been in a *really large* group, there can definitely be felt a kind of energy, and it can definitely influence people to do things without thinking. Shifting from protesting to *rioting* by some of the patriots attending the events in Washington, DC, was unfortunate.

Meanwhile, as you and others have commented, none of these events and responses are surprising. The Marxist Democrats have applauded and SUPPORTED political violence and "Mostly Peaceful Protests" for months now. Lots of money given to BLM and Antifa by Democrats, politicians, the media, celebrities, all along while being justified and glorified. None of these fucking corrupt Democrat politicians shed a tear or screeched about "Insurrection!" when cities all across America were being burned to the ground and good Americans hunted down and beaten, robbed, assaulted, and killed. FOR MONTHS. There's always nuances, and context. The monstrous hypocrisy of the corrupt, Marxist Democrats is absolutely disgusting. Why was the siege of the Federal Courthouse in Portland allowed to go on--for months--and this riot at the Capital building reacted to and ended within hours? Somehow, the Portland courthouse siege wasn't viewed as an "Insurrection!"--but the unarmed rioting at the Capital buiding in DC is an "Insurrection"? The DC event was not a coup or an insurrection--it was a rally, and then a protest. The Marxist Democrats in this country can continue with their hypocrisy, their censorship, their oppression, their fraud, lies and corruption, and their subversion of our Constitutional Republic--and somehow, patriotic Americans everywhere are just expected to get on their knees and swallow it down?

I don't think that is how it will go down. The DC protest and riot is a symptom of what is to come.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


There's never been a. British Civil War

Greetings!

I'm sorry. What was that business about Parliament having the King of England executed?

I seem to recall there were armies raised by Parliament that fought against the armies of the King.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Garry G on January 09, 2021, 06:24:50 AM
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

Damn, you found the most sarcastic poster on the boards calling them "Patriots" after several others insisted on referring to them as "Insurrectionists" in prior posts. You really got me on that one. I guess this means we ALL now supported people storming the Capitol 100% with zero reservations, and agree entirely that it was a brilliant idea cuz ONE guy called them "Patriots" at one point. Like people can't be "Patriots" and do stupid misguided shit at the same time.

A: "Rioting is wrong."
B: "But they didz it too!"

I think AOC said it best: The whole point of protesting is to make people uncomfortable

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/55777165/shes-right-you-know.jpg)

Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

No, they haven't. EVERYONE who's brought up anything approaching a "justification" of the capitol protests has been more nuanced than that, and no one has come out and outright justified it (with the possible exception of Spinachcat, who came out saying he was "proud" of them at one point in the other thread), merely attempted to explain the causes leading up it.

This was SHARK on the other thread:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159401/#msg1159401)

Quote from: SHARK
Nancy Polosi's office has been taken. Evidently she left in such haste, she left her computer open. Patriots are reading her Emails right now, and searching her computer.

Capital Police have attempted to use mace, tear gas and batons. Whistles blowing loudly, all to no avail. Tens of thousands of Patriots marching everywhere. American flags waving like great forests. Other scenes show police merely standing by, watching as Patriots march and pour about. Police do not seem eager to be violent in general.

Thundering roars of USA! USA! USA!

More singing of the National Anthem! Thousands singing all in unison!

Entire Capital building looks like it is overwhelmed and thoroughly occupied by Patriots!

So many huge crowds everywhere! Men, women, all chanting!

MAGA!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159415/#msg1159415)

Yeah, I forgot about that post. Still doesn't change the fact that people who were actually discussing the protest, as opposed to just bring up the news of the day while cheering for their side, gave far more nuanced reasons than "but they did it first!", which was the actual point.

Greetings!

Exactly, my friend! I watched several live videos, each covering some of the same scenes, and some with different aspects. The first video I posted in this thread, here, had coverage of the Save America rally, and President Trump's speech. Very interesting, cool, and it was inspiring.

Most of the witnesses and reporters on the scene described hundreds of thousands of American patriots attending--most likely well over a million people attending. It looked amazing and awe inspiring in my view.

There were something like, I don't know, several hundred, maybe a few thousand people that specifically stormed into the Capital building. Out of a million people attending.

I think it is tragic that several people died during the event. I think that political violence is a tragic and terrible--and as I have explained to my friends, regardless of how righteous someone may feel such violence is necessary--it will still be tragic, terrible, and horrifying for everyone involved. Take a look at our own American Revolution and the American Civil War. Look at the British Civil War, the war between Parliament and the King, look at the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, not to mention the civil wars and political struggles in the twilight of the Republic during ancient Rome--and in more modern times as well, the Troubles in Ireland, and the civil war in Ukraine. Terrible atrocities, huge numbers of people slaughtered, imprisoned, tortured, starved, crushed, impoverished and oppressed. Good, bad, and indifferent, young and old, men, women, and children. The blood and fire covered everyone.

Civil War is terrible, and I certainly do not want to see America go into a civil war.

And you're quite right. Patriots can do stupid things too, just like other people. Protesting is good, and a right that we have under our Constitutional Republic. The whole "Mob mentality" thing can--and often does--get swept up and out of control. Anyone that has ever been in a *really large* group, there can definitely be felt a kind of energy, and it can definitely influence people to do things without thinking. Shifting from protesting to *rioting* by some of the patriots attending the events in Washington, DC, was unfortunate.

Meanwhile, as you and others have commented, none of these events and responses are surprising. The Marxist Democrats have applauded and SUPPORTED political violence and "Mostly Peaceful Protests" for months now. Lots of money given to BLM and Antifa by Democrats, politicians, the media, celebrities, all along while being justified and glorified. None of these fucking corrupt Democrat politicians shed a tear or screeched about "Insurrection!" when cities all across America were being burned to the ground and good Americans hunted down and beaten, robbed, assaulted, and killed. FOR MONTHS. There's always nuances, and context. The monstrous hypocrisy of the corrupt, Marxist Democrats is absolutely disgusting. Why was the siege of the Federal Courthouse in Portland allowed to go on--for months--and this riot at the Capital building reacted to and ended within hours? Somehow, the Portland courthouse siege wasn't viewed as an "Insurrection!"--but the unarmed rioting at the Capital buiding in DC is an "Insurrection"? The DC event was not a coup or an insurrection--it was a rally, and then a protest. The Marxist Democrats in this country can continue with their hypocrisy, their censorship, their oppression, their fraud, lies and corruption, and their subversion of our Constitutional Republic--and somehow, patriotic Americans everywhere are just expected to get on their knees and swallow it down?

I don't think that is how it will go down. The DC protest and riot is a symptom of what is to come.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


There's never been a. British Civil War

Greetings!

I'm sorry. What was that business about Parliament having the King of England executed?

I seem to recall there were armies raised by Parliament that fought against the armies of the King.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

That'll be the English Civil War in which the English Parliament fought against the King. Now this is connected to the War of the Three Kingdoms but was not a British civil war as it took place before the Act of Union in 1707.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 09, 2021, 07:26:50 AM
LOL!

Gonna need some more realiable sources than some random dude on Youtube saying so. Protesting on the street outside the White House and making Trump shit his pants so much that he went into a bunker is not the same thing.

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

"Trump "shit his pants" therefore it was OK, cuz I'm not biased."

Got it.

LOL!
Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

"Everyone saying something I won't bother to refute or even address is lying."

I know.

Regarding some of the comparisons of the Capitol protests and BLM, and claims of 'White Privilege" from idiots from the "left".

"In june they stormed the white house...Black Lives Matter stromed the White House, they broke the barricades...no one was killed, no one was shot...we had a group of largely people of color storming the White House and none of them were murdered" - Michael Malice
...
It's all about framing, unexamined bias and people's short memory spans. I didn't even remember this. BLM actually stormed the White House and NO ONE called them "Insurgents" back then.

Source? As far as I saw, all of the June 2020 protests were *outside* the White House - and they were dispersed with tear gas and stun grenades from the area. Here's some video from the time:




EDITED TO ADD: I guess one could read "broke the barricades" to mean that they pushed past barricades on the street - but as far as I saw, no one got up to the White House building itself, let alone broke inside and looted the place.

There was still a breach and potential threat to the President, and no one was killed, and no one took it seriously, cuz Orange Man Bad.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: moonsweeper on January 09, 2021, 09:01:03 AM
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

I don't know, like, not voting for the same type of people who feed their constituents to the corporations?  Just because they use wedge issues to pander to voters, doesn't mean they have the best interests at heart.

We tried that.  Apparently we elected the most evil human being in history*.  Although one would think our excellent news media could have found evidence of that dated before 2015, since the guy has been in the media for the last 40+ years. 

Given your question to Shasarak, I am assuming you supported Donald Trump, right?



*according to the MSM and the established leadership of both major parties.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Larsdangly on January 09, 2021, 10:55:00 AM
So what do the Trump apologists on this site make of the fact that the 'protesters' murdered a cop by crushing his head with fire extinguisher, roamed the capitol with zip ties so they would be ready to take hostages, and left live bombs on the property? The other thread on this subject got locked just as you all were getting close to dealing with the fact that our patriots are cop murdering terrorists. So, how about now?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 09, 2021, 11:10:15 AM
So what do the Trump apologists on this site make of the fact that the 'protesters' murdered a cop by crushing his head with fire extinguisher, roamed the capitol with zip ties so they would be ready to take hostages, and left live bombs on the property? The other thread on this subject got locked just as you all were getting close to dealing with the fact that our patriots are cop murdering terrorists. So, how about now?
In other words, the protests were mostly peaceful.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 09, 2021, 11:28:57 AM
So what do the Trump apologists on this site make of the fact that the 'protesters' murdered a cop by crushing his head with fire extinguisher, roamed the capitol with zip ties so they would be ready to take hostages, and left live bombs on the property? The other thread on this subject got locked just as you all were getting close to dealing with the fact that our patriots are cop murdering terrorists. So, how about now?

No specific details have come out on what actually happened to that cop in the confrontation that resulted on the injuries that led to his death, and I have heard nothing about any "bombs" or people taking hostages. And NOTHING about the video evidence that I've seen posted so far suggests that many of these protesters were even aggressive.

But since you bring it up, what do establishment & BLM apologists on this site make of the fact that BLM 'protesters' murdered multiple cops and innocent people in multiple incidents throughout this year in actual intentional assaults?--Not just wild confrontations that happened during a protest were cops were beating people up (which for all we know could've been what led to the cop who died being hit on the head), but actual people going out of their way to specifically run over cops with a car or seek out Trump supporters to shot them point blank.

And what do they make out of the fact that off duty cops were among the protesters that stormed the Capitol and entered the build--flashing their badges as they did, which likely contributed to how people were able to storm their way into the building in the first place?

https://news.yahoo.com/off-duty-police-officers-among-201522125.html
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Larsdangly on January 09, 2021, 11:36:08 AM
There are  well documented news reports of everything I wrote. If you haven't seen them, it means you have not been interested enough to check. 

Also, the immediate instinct to dodge the question with a mixture of truths, half truths and lies about BLM protests, is exactly what I would expect of the right wing choads who hang out here.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 09, 2021, 12:08:17 PM
Anyone want to comment about the presence of John Earle Sullivan at the protest?

(Whozat, Ghost?)

Oh. He's an activist and photojournalist whose last gig was supporting an Antifa/BLM rally in Provo, Utah.

I'm sure he was there for totally innocent reasons. Really.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 09, 2021, 12:13:19 PM
There are  well documented news reports of everything I wrote. If you haven't seen them, it means you have not been interested enough to check. 

Also, the immediate instinct to dodge the question with a mixture of truths, half truths and lies about BLM protests, is exactly what I would expect of the right wing choads who hang out here.

>Refuses to provide sources
>Dodges the questions
>Accuses others of dodging questions that were actually addressed

Whatever you need to tell yourself.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 09, 2021, 12:13:49 PM
So what do the Trump apologists on this site make of the fact that the 'protesters' murdered a cop by crushing his head with fire extinguisher, roamed the capitol with zip ties so they would be ready to take hostages, and left live bombs on the property? The other thread on this subject got locked just as you all were getting close to dealing with the fact that our patriots are cop murdering terrorists. So, how about now?
In other words, the protests were mostly peaceful.

Greetings!

*Laughing*--brilliant, Pat! ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 09, 2021, 12:22:12 PM
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

Damn, you found the most sarcastic poster on the boards calling them "Patriots" after several others insisted on referring to them as "Insurrectionists" in prior posts. You really got me on that one. I guess this means we ALL now supported people storming the Capitol 100% with zero reservations, and agree entirely that it was a brilliant idea cuz ONE guy called them "Patriots" at one point. Like people can't be "Patriots" and do stupid misguided shit at the same time.

A: "Rioting is wrong."
B: "But they didz it too!"

I think AOC said it best: The whole point of protesting is to make people uncomfortable

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/55777165/shes-right-you-know.jpg)

Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

No, they haven't. EVERYONE who's brought up anything approaching a "justification" of the capitol protests has been more nuanced than that, and no one has come out and outright justified it (with the possible exception of Spinachcat, who came out saying he was "proud" of them at one point in the other thread), merely attempted to explain the causes leading up it.

This was SHARK on the other thread:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159401/#msg1159401)

Quote from: SHARK
Nancy Polosi's office has been taken. Evidently she left in such haste, she left her computer open. Patriots are reading her Emails right now, and searching her computer.

Capital Police have attempted to use mace, tear gas and batons. Whistles blowing loudly, all to no avail. Tens of thousands of Patriots marching everywhere. American flags waving like great forests. Other scenes show police merely standing by, watching as Patriots march and pour about. Police do not seem eager to be violent in general.

Thundering roars of USA! USA! USA!

More singing of the National Anthem! Thousands singing all in unison!

Entire Capital building looks like it is overwhelmed and thoroughly occupied by Patriots!

So many huge crowds everywhere! Men, women, all chanting!

MAGA!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159415/#msg1159415)

Yeah, I forgot about that post. Still doesn't change the fact that people who were actually discussing the protest, as opposed to just bring up the news of the day while cheering for their side, gave far more nuanced reasons than "but they did it first!", which was the actual point.

Greetings!

Exactly, my friend! I watched several live videos, each covering some of the same scenes, and some with different aspects. The first video I posted in this thread, here, had coverage of the Save America rally, and President Trump's speech. Very interesting, cool, and it was inspiring.

Most of the witnesses and reporters on the scene described hundreds of thousands of American patriots attending--most likely well over a million people attending. It looked amazing and awe inspiring in my view.

There were something like, I don't know, several hundred, maybe a few thousand people that specifically stormed into the Capital building. Out of a million people attending.

I think it is tragic that several people died during the event. I think that political violence is a tragic and terrible--and as I have explained to my friends, regardless of how righteous someone may feel such violence is necessary--it will still be tragic, terrible, and horrifying for everyone involved. Take a look at our own American Revolution and the American Civil War. Look at the British Civil War, the war between Parliament and the King, look at the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, not to mention the civil wars and political struggles in the twilight of the Republic during ancient Rome--and in more modern times as well, the Troubles in Ireland, and the civil war in Ukraine. Terrible atrocities, huge numbers of people slaughtered, imprisoned, tortured, starved, crushed, impoverished and oppressed. Good, bad, and indifferent, young and old, men, women, and children. The blood and fire covered everyone.

Civil War is terrible, and I certainly do not want to see America go into a civil war.

And you're quite right. Patriots can do stupid things too, just like other people. Protesting is good, and a right that we have under our Constitutional Republic. The whole "Mob mentality" thing can--and often does--get swept up and out of control. Anyone that has ever been in a *really large* group, there can definitely be felt a kind of energy, and it can definitely influence people to do things without thinking. Shifting from protesting to *rioting* by some of the patriots attending the events in Washington, DC, was unfortunate.

Meanwhile, as you and others have commented, none of these events and responses are surprising. The Marxist Democrats have applauded and SUPPORTED political violence and "Mostly Peaceful Protests" for months now. Lots of money given to BLM and Antifa by Democrats, politicians, the media, celebrities, all along while being justified and glorified. None of these fucking corrupt Democrat politicians shed a tear or screeched about "Insurrection!" when cities all across America were being burned to the ground and good Americans hunted down and beaten, robbed, assaulted, and killed. FOR MONTHS. There's always nuances, and context. The monstrous hypocrisy of the corrupt, Marxist Democrats is absolutely disgusting. Why was the siege of the Federal Courthouse in Portland allowed to go on--for months--and this riot at the Capital building reacted to and ended within hours? Somehow, the Portland courthouse siege wasn't viewed as an "Insurrection!"--but the unarmed rioting at the Capital buiding in DC is an "Insurrection"? The DC event was not a coup or an insurrection--it was a rally, and then a protest. The Marxist Democrats in this country can continue with their hypocrisy, their censorship, their oppression, their fraud, lies and corruption, and their subversion of our Constitutional Republic--and somehow, patriotic Americans everywhere are just expected to get on their knees and swallow it down?

I don't think that is how it will go down. The DC protest and riot is a symptom of what is to come.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

From what I've seen and heard there was far more to this rally and the protests than the people who entered the Capitol. I was watching a video someone posted in the other thread last night (below), of a woman who went to the protest, but stayed outside the building, and she recounted her experiences of the event, how there were thousands of people there from all walks of life, backgrounds and even ethnicities (contrary to the frequent claims of "white privilege" that have been trending in leftist social media--implying that this was all white people)--she even saw pair of old grannies all dressed up, like they were going to church storming the Capitol and she was inspired by the sight and just kept going. And despite the media focus on the violence and the tragedy that happened inside, she said that the VAST majority of the protest was peaceful and lively, full of people chanting and being cool with one another, in a great atmosphere of sharing and joy--nothing like how the media has portrayed it.

Even in the clips of people inside the Capitol you can see how these people were non-aggressive and just goofing around, taking selfies with the cops or playing around with podiums and stuff. There's a stark contrast between that and the images of burning cities that took place in some of the BLM protests. Breaking into the Capitol Building was certainly ill advised and horrible optics, which led to a terrible tragedy, but to pretend that it was somehow worse or even in equal footing to some of the stuff that happened in numerous leftist protests is absurd. If anything the seat of the government is PRECISELY where you're supposed to protest--not at the cities, burning buildings and looting stores, but at the place where the lawmakers who have consistently failed the American public are at. THOSE are the people who need to answer for the state of the nation, not innocent people in the streets or store owners. But now protesting at the Capitol is being portrayed as worse (or at least just as bad) than burning down cities and killing innocent people?

I don't know. But we're heading to a dark place. And all of this is part of a symptom of a larger problem and a feeling of deep dissatisfaction in the American public that just going to continue to escalate now that they're talking of clamping down on this sort of thing, and more people are being silenced all across social media, purging their voices and crushing dissent. And there's only one direction that ever goes throughout history.



Gretings!

Indeed, I agree my friend. This whole situation is being exploited by the Democrats for a power-grab, making up lists of Trump supporters and Conservatives, censorship and banning, and more fucking oppression.

Fuck them. The cock-sucking Marxists in this country are going to keep pushing, pushing, and pushing.

Don't be surprised then when people start getting flame-throwered and lit the fuck up.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 09, 2021, 12:22:50 PM
So what do the Trump apologists on this site make of the fact that the 'protesters' murdered a cop by crushing his head with fire extinguisher, roamed the capitol with zip ties so they would be ready to take hostages, and left live bombs on the property? The other thread on this subject got locked just as you all were getting close to dealing with the fact that our patriots are cop murdering terrorists. So, how about now?
In other words, the protests were mostly peaceful.

They literally were. But unlike BLM supporters, I am hearing conservative pundits and Trump supporters who were there but did not go in, decry the riot as unacceptable behavior.
Meanwhile we got years of the mainstream media and politicians excuse BLM violence and destruction.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 09, 2021, 12:24:05 PM
There are  well documented news reports of everything I wrote. If you haven't seen them, it means you have not been interested enough to check. 

Also, the immediate instinct to dodge the question with a mixture of truths, half truths and lies about BLM protests, is exactly what I would expect of the right wing choads who hang out here.

>Refuses to provide sources
>Dodges the questions
>Accuses others of dodging questions that were actually addressed

Whatever you need to tell yourself.
You can start with these, from a mix of sources:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/us-capitol-riots-arrest-pelosi-desk/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/us-capitol-riots-arrest-pelosi-desk/index.html)
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/06/fbi-says-it-is-investigating-suspicious-devices-in-washington.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/06/fbi-says-it-is-investigating-suspicious-devices-in-washington.html)
https://www.dothanfirst.com/alabama-news/alabama-man-faces-federal-charges-for-possessing-molotov-cocktails-in-capitol-riots/ (https://www.dothanfirst.com/alabama-news/alabama-man-faces-federal-charges-for-possessing-molotov-cocktails-in-capitol-riots/)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/capitol-riot-fbi-hostages/2021/01/08/df99ae5a-5202-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/capitol-riot-fbi-hostages/2021/01/08/df99ae5a-5202-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html)
https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/08/capitol-rioters-zip-ties-plan-take-hostages-dc/ (https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/08/capitol-rioters-zip-ties-plan-take-hostages-dc/)
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/zip-ties-fbi-capitol-riots-kidnap_n_5ff95b00c5b66f3f795e1069 (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/zip-ties-fbi-capitol-riots-kidnap_n_5ff95b00c5b66f3f795e1069)
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/08/zip-ties-tn-thin-blue-line-patch-riot-terrorism-experts/6582674002/ (https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/08/zip-ties-tn-thin-blue-line-patch-riot-terrorism-experts/6582674002/)
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/fbi-pipe-bombs-person-wanted-wasington-dc-us-capitol/65-5d4f4e85-ff26-4493-a93b-1c127687a138 (https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/fbi-pipe-bombs-person-wanted-wasington-dc-us-capitol/65-5d4f4e85-ff26-4493-a93b-1c127687a138)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-50k-reward-pipe-bombs-capitol-riots-rnc-dnc/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-50k-reward-pipe-bombs-capitol-riots-rnc-dnc/)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55578092 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55578092)
https://abc7news.com/capitol-bomb-explosive-device-us-the/9434813/ (https://abc7news.com/capitol-bomb-explosive-device-us-the/9434813/)
https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/08/alabama-man-lonnie-coffman-arrested-11-molotov-cocktails-fire-arms/6586697002/ (https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/08/alabama-man-lonnie-coffman-arrested-11-molotov-cocktails-fire-arms/6586697002/)
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 09, 2021, 12:48:40 PM
There are  well documented news reports of everything I wrote. If you haven't seen them, it means you have not been interested enough to check. 

Also, the immediate instinct to dodge the question with a mixture of truths, half truths and lies about BLM protests, is exactly what I would expect of the right wing choads who hang out here.

>Refuses to provide sources
>Dodges the questions
>Accuses others of dodging questions that were actually addressed

Whatever you need to tell yourself.
You can start with these, from a mix of sources:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/us-capitol-riots-arrest-pelosi-desk/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/us-capitol-riots-arrest-pelosi-desk/index.html)
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/06/fbi-says-it-is-investigating-suspicious-devices-in-washington.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/06/fbi-says-it-is-investigating-suspicious-devices-in-washington.html)
https://www.dothanfirst.com/alabama-news/alabama-man-faces-federal-charges-for-possessing-molotov-cocktails-in-capitol-riots/ (https://www.dothanfirst.com/alabama-news/alabama-man-faces-federal-charges-for-possessing-molotov-cocktails-in-capitol-riots/)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/capitol-riot-fbi-hostages/2021/01/08/df99ae5a-5202-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/capitol-riot-fbi-hostages/2021/01/08/df99ae5a-5202-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html)
https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/08/capitol-rioters-zip-ties-plan-take-hostages-dc/ (https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/08/capitol-rioters-zip-ties-plan-take-hostages-dc/)
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/zip-ties-fbi-capitol-riots-kidnap_n_5ff95b00c5b66f3f795e1069 (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/zip-ties-fbi-capitol-riots-kidnap_n_5ff95b00c5b66f3f795e1069)
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/08/zip-ties-tn-thin-blue-line-patch-riot-terrorism-experts/6582674002/ (https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/08/zip-ties-tn-thin-blue-line-patch-riot-terrorism-experts/6582674002/)
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/fbi-pipe-bombs-person-wanted-wasington-dc-us-capitol/65-5d4f4e85-ff26-4493-a93b-1c127687a138 (https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/fbi-pipe-bombs-person-wanted-wasington-dc-us-capitol/65-5d4f4e85-ff26-4493-a93b-1c127687a138)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-50k-reward-pipe-bombs-capitol-riots-rnc-dnc/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-50k-reward-pipe-bombs-capitol-riots-rnc-dnc/)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55578092 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55578092)
https://abc7news.com/capitol-bomb-explosive-device-us-the/9434813/ (https://abc7news.com/capitol-bomb-explosive-device-us-the/9434813/)
https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/08/alabama-man-lonnie-coffman-arrested-11-molotov-cocktails-fire-arms/6586697002/ (https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/crime/2021/01/08/alabama-man-lonnie-coffman-arrested-11-molotov-cocktails-fire-arms/6586697002/)

So one pickup truck with a gun and 11 Molotov Cocktails was found two blocks away and they're still investigating, and the FBI speculates (based on no evidence so far) whether any of the protesters intended to kidnap somebody? The pick up truck thing sounds fucked up and an idiotic move (assuming they weren't just planted there by the cops), but at least the guy didn't even bring them into the building, so nothing happened with them. The feds engaging in idle speculation is a big nothing burger, with a side of nada.

PS: Thanks for making me give CNN clicks with an un-achieved article.  :-
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Larsdangly on January 09, 2021, 01:18:14 PM
No one, including myself, is trying to convince anyone of anything here; we are just expressing ourselves because for some reason people like to do that in times of chaos and stress. But  if you don't like my posts, don't worry about it; I just came by  to see what the the alt-right segment of the gaming community - the only part of the right I regularly encounter - was saying in a place where they feel safe to fume and blather. It confirmed my impression that the cultural divorce between the right and everyone else is still well in effect, and good riddance.

The various slices of the Trumpism pie have a lot of details to natter on about during the coming days, including but reaching far beyond the stew of absurd ideas and beloved grievances they talk about here. But the main thing they will have to confront is that over a short few years they have basically nothing to show for, they have evolved from a powerful voting block into a group that's just walked into the political wilderness with no plan for getting back out. To one side is the abandonment of your weird belief system and re-integration with the part of society that likes things like the Constitution, democracy and fact-based decision making; to the other side is the descent from political minority to something like a Sunni factionalism to something like an ISIS self-governing gang of violent dipshits, to dead (the end point of anyone who refuses to leave this path). As  far as I am concerned, you can all choke on each other's dicks. But it will be interesting to watch what sorts of choices they all make.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 09, 2021, 01:21:08 PM
So one pickup truck with a gun and 11 Molotov Cocktails was found two blocks away and they're still investigating, and the FBI speculates (based on no evidence so far) whether any of the protesters intended to kidnap somebody? The pick up truck thing sounds fucked up and an idiotic move (assuming they weren't just planted there by the cops), but at least the guy didn't even bring them into the building, so nothing happened with them. The feds engaging in idle speculation is a big nothing burger, with a side of nada.

PS: Thanks for making me give CNN clicks with an un-achieved article.  :-

Here's more information on the IEDs found near the Capitol. It's Fox News, if you prefer that to CNN.

Quote
The devices found near the Republican National Committee and Democratic National Committee headquarters in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday were actual explosive devices, according to a senior federal law enforcement official briefed on the investigations.

Fox News first reported that multiple IEDs, resembling pipe bombs, were found near the Capitol grounds on Wednesday.

Specifically, two law enforcement sources said devices resembling pipe bombs were found near the headquarters of the Republican National Committee and the Democratic National Committee, both buildings located near the Capitol grounds.

One senior federal law enforcement official confirmed to Fox News those devices were not phonies, "those things were the real deal."
Source: https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/capitol-hill-violence-explosives-found-at-rnc-dnc-the-real-deal-sources-say
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Snowman0147 on January 09, 2021, 01:29:25 PM
You do realize the police let the protestors into Capital Hill?  This was a set up.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 09, 2021, 01:39:56 PM
No one, including myself, is trying to convince anyone of anything here; we are just expressing ourselves because for some reason people like to do that in times of chaos and stress. But  if you don't like my posts, don't worry about it; I just came by  to see what the the alt-right segment of the gaming community - the only part of the right I regularly encounter - was saying in a place where they feel safe to fume and blather. It confirmed my impression that the cultural divorce between the right and everyone else is still well in effect, and good riddance.

The various slices of the Trumpism pie have a lot of details to natter on about during the coming days, including but reaching far beyond the stew of absurd ideas and beloved grievances they talk about here. But the main thing they will have to confront is that over a short few years they have basically nothing to show for, they have evolved from a powerful voting block into a group that's just walked into the political wilderness with no plan for getting back out. To one side is the abandonment of your weird belief system and re-integration with the part of society that likes things like the Constitution, democracy and fact-based decision making; to the other side is the descent from political minority to something like a Sunni factionalism to something like an ISIS self-governing gang of violent dipshits, to dead (the end point of anyone who refuses to leave this path). As  far as I am concerned, you can all choke on each other's dicks. But it will be interesting to watch what sorts of choices they all make.

Aw, you're a cutie!

I think we've got a batch of posters who come here just because their echo-chambers are so stifling they know they can't get the whole picture, even if they disagree. And/or want to vent their spleens at the "Deplorable Trump Worshippers".

But that's just my little pet theory. ;)
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 09, 2021, 01:42:27 PM
You do realize the police let the protestors into Capital Hill?  This was a set up.
Your tinfoil hat might just be a little too tight, but please explain what you mean.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 09, 2021, 01:46:29 PM
No one, including myself, is trying to convince anyone of anything here; we are just expressing ourselves because for some reason people like to do that in times of chaos and stress. But  if you don't like my posts, don't worry about it; I just came by  to see what the the alt-right segment of the gaming community - the only part of the right I regularly encounter - was saying in a place where they feel safe to fume and blather. It confirmed my impression that the cultural divorce between the right and everyone else is still well in effect, and good riddance.

The various slices of the Trumpism pie have a lot of details to natter on about during the coming days, including but reaching far beyond the stew of absurd ideas and beloved grievances they talk about here. But the main thing they will have to confront is that over a short few years they have basically nothing to show for, they have evolved from a powerful voting block into a group that's just walked into the political wilderness with no plan for getting back out. To one side is the abandonment of your weird belief system and re-integration with the part of society that likes things like the Constitution, democracy and fact-based decision making; to the other side is the descent from political minority to something like a Sunni factionalism to something like an ISIS self-governing gang of violent dipshits, to dead (the end point of anyone who refuses to leave this path). As  far as I am concerned, you can all choke on each other's dicks. But it will be interesting to watch what sorts of choices they all make.

When the "alt-right" is whoever you declare them to be, everyone you meet is "alt-right". You're just a delusion idiot blabbering incomprehensible nonsense at figments of your imagination that don't connect with anything that anyone is saying here and venting onto people you decided are evil monsters apparently based on your desire to frame people as such as a type of sick therapy of sorts, like yelling at random people on the internet makes you feel better. I don't even remember seeing you before last night (or maybe the night before that), yet somehow you have an accurate lock on WTF my actual believes are? Go visit a psych doctor and get medicated or something, or smoke some weed instead.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 09, 2021, 01:48:32 PM
You do realize the police let the protestors into Capital Hill?  This was a set up.
Your tinfoil hat might just be a little too tight, but please explain what you mean.

There are videos of the cops moving the barricades to let people in and I already posted an article a couple of posts ago about how off duty cops and military personnel were among the rioters in the Capitol. Even if it's still technically speculative, saying that it was a set up is NOT just a tinfoil hat theory at this point. There's actual evidence to suggest that may have been the case.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 09, 2021, 01:49:47 PM
No one, including myself, is trying to convince anyone of anything here; we are just expressing ourselves because for some reason people like to do that in times of chaos and stress. But  if you don't like my posts, don't worry about it; I just came by  to see what the the alt-right segment of the gaming community - the only part of the right I regularly encounter - was saying in a place where they feel safe to fume and blather. It confirmed my impression that the cultural divorce between the right and everyone else is still well in effect, and good riddance.

The various slices of the Trumpism pie have a lot of details to natter on about during the coming days, including but reaching far beyond the stew of absurd ideas and beloved grievances they talk about here. But the main thing they will have to confront is that over a short few years they have basically nothing to show for, they have evolved from a powerful voting block into a group that's just walked into the political wilderness with no plan for getting back out. To one side is the abandonment of your weird belief system and re-integration with the part of society that likes things like the Constitution, democracy and fact-based decision making; to the other side is the descent from political minority to something like a Sunni factionalism to something like an ISIS self-governing gang of violent dipshits, to dead (the end point of anyone who refuses to leave this path). As  far as I am concerned, you can all choke on each other's dicks. But it will be interesting to watch what sorts of choices they all make.

Greetings!

How sadly delusional--not to mention, smug and condescending.

Where I live, we have Conservative political leadership which very much supports the Constitution, democracy, and fact-based decision making. In far contrast to the cock-sucking, Marxist Democrat tyrants that rule elsewhere. Going down a long list of Liberal, Democrat policies--the Democrats are the people choking down Mao's manual on politics. New York, Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle--all run by cock-sucking, Marxist Democrats that hate the Constitution, and hate America and freedom. That's why each one of such places routinely violate the Constitution with restrictions against the 2nd Amendment, heavy taxation, exude sky-high crime, and have become disease-ridden, impoverished, tyrannical shitholes.

Good riddance, indeed.

I'm more than happy to keep the fucking Marxists and the globalists and the tyrants and the sniveling crybabies trapped there, in the Marxist Democrat shitholes where they can wallow in crime, poverty, and shit. Let them all wear masks and wrap themselves in bubble wrap while they are fucked in the ass, robbed by thugs, and taxed and regulated into the poor house. And all the while, they get to get on their knees and beg for more government cheese, because they are unarmed and helpless fucking sheep. Let them REEE while the armies of homeless troglodytes gibber around them in ever-increasing hordes.

Good! Let the cock-sucking Marxist Democrats choke on their own shit.

Meanwhile, out in "Fly Over Country", we will live free and prosperous, honouring our Constitution, keeping our guns, and having an actual society that is rational and sane.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 09, 2021, 01:50:37 PM
No one, including myself, is trying to convince anyone of anything here; we are just expressing ourselves because for some reason people like to do that in times of chaos and stress. But  if you don't like my posts, don't worry about it; I just came by  to see what the the alt-right segment of the gaming community - the only part of the right I regularly encounter - was saying in a place where they feel safe to fume and blather. It confirmed my impression that the cultural divorce between the right and everyone else is still well in effect, and good riddance.

The various slices of the Trumpism pie have a lot of details to natter on about during the coming days, including but reaching far beyond the stew of absurd ideas and beloved grievances they talk about here. But the main thing they will have to confront is that over a short few years they have basically nothing to show for, they have evolved from a powerful voting block into a group that's just walked into the political wilderness with no plan for getting back out. To one side is the abandonment of your weird belief system and re-integration with the part of society that likes things like the Constitution, democracy and fact-based decision making; to the other side is the descent from political minority to something like a Sunni factionalism to something like an ISIS self-governing gang of violent dipshits, to dead (the end point of anyone who refuses to leave this path). As  far as I am concerned, you can all choke on each other's dicks. But it will be interesting to watch what sorts of choices they all make.

When the "alt-right" is whoever you declare them to be, everyone you meet is "alt-right". You're just a delusion idiot blabbering incomprehensible nonsense at figments of your imagination that don't connect with anything that anyone is saying here and venting onto people you decided are evil monsters apparently based on your desire to frame people as such as a type of sick therapy of sorts, like yelling at random people on the internet makes you feel better. I don't even remember seeing you before last night (or maybe the night before that), yet somehow you have an accurate lock on WTF my actual believes are? Go visit a psych doctor and get medicated or something, or smoke some weed instead.
Seems to me there's no difference between what you posted and:
When the "Marxist" is whoever you declare them to be, everyone you meet is "Marxist". You're just a delusion idiot blabbering incomprehensible nonsense at figments of your imagination that don't connect with anything that anyone is saying here and venting onto people you decided are evil monsters apparently based on your desire to frame people as such as a type of sick therapy of sorts, like yelling at random people on the internet makes you feel better.
Kinda weird, no?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 09, 2021, 01:51:55 PM
No one, including myself, is trying to convince anyone of anything here; we are just expressing ourselves because for some reason people like to do that in times of chaos and stress. But  if you don't like my posts, don't worry about it; I just came by  to see what the the alt-right segment of the gaming community - the only part of the right I regularly encounter - was saying in a place where they feel safe to fume and blather. It confirmed my impression that the cultural divorce between the right and everyone else is still well in effect, and good riddance.

The various slices of the Trumpism pie have a lot of details to natter on about during the coming days, including but reaching far beyond the stew of absurd ideas and beloved grievances they talk about here. But the main thing they will have to confront is that over a short few years they have basically nothing to show for, they have evolved from a powerful voting block into a group that's just walked into the political wilderness with no plan for getting back out. To one side is the abandonment of your weird belief system and re-integration with the part of society that likes things like the Constitution, democracy and fact-based decision making; to the other side is the descent from political minority to something like a Sunni factionalism to something like an ISIS self-governing gang of violent dipshits, to dead (the end point of anyone who refuses to leave this path). As  far as I am concerned, you can all choke on each other's dicks. But it will be interesting to watch what sorts of choices they all make.

Greetings!

How sadly delusional--not to mention, smug and condescending.

Where I live, we have Conservative political leadership which very much supports the Constitution, democracy, and fact-based decision making. In far contrast to the cock-sucking, Marxist Democrat tyrants that rule elsewhere. Going down a long list of Liberal, Democrat policies--the Democrats are the people choking down Mao's manual on politics. New York, Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, Minneapolis, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle--all run by cock-sucking, Marxist Democrats that hate the Constitution, and hate America and freedom. That's why each one of such places routinely violate the Constitution with restrictions against the 2nd Amendment, heavy taxation, exude sky-high crime, and have become disease-ridden, impoverished, tyrannical shitholes.

Good riddance, indeed.

I'm more than happy to keep the fucking Marxists and the globalists and the tyrants and the sniveling crybabies trapped there, in the Marxist Democrat shitholes where they can wallow in crime, poverty, and shit. Let them all wear masks and wrap themselves in bubble wrap while they are fucked in the ass, robbed by thugs, and taxed and regulated into the poor house. And all the while, they get to get on their knees and beg for more government cheese, because they are unarmed and helpless fucking sheep. Let them REEE while the armies of homeless troglodytes gibber around them in ever-increasing hordes.

Good! Let the cock-sucking Marxist Democrats choke on their own shit.

Meanwhile, out in "Fly Over Country", we will live free and prosperous, honouring our Constitution, keeping our guns, and having an actual society that is rational and sane.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
And there's SHARK blindly taking the bait and proving what I just posted. Thank you, you crazy little bitch.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 09, 2021, 01:52:45 PM
And since Trump only won 46% of the vote in 2016, I certainly wouldn't call 'half of his supporters' 25% of the population - only 23%.  But that's just math.   
No, it's a failure to understand how to correctly apply math to the real world. In 2016, 63 million voted for Trump, and the US population was 323 million. That's 19.5% of the population. Halve that for the targets of Hillary's hate speech.

Wrong denominator; the voting eligible population in 2016 was much lower, and Clinton's statement was about supporters, not voters.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/01/30/2017-01890/estimates-of-the-voting-age-population-for-2016
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/03/in-past-elections-u-s-trailed-most-developed-countries-in-voter-turnout/

The low turnout is lamentable; I hope nobody is discouraging turnout by saying that an individual's vote doesn't matter.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 09, 2021, 01:56:14 PM
So one pickup truck with a gun and 11 Molotov Cocktails was found two blocks away and they're still investigating, and the FBI speculates (based on no evidence so far) whether any of the protesters intended to kidnap somebody? The pick up truck thing sounds fucked up and an idiotic move (assuming they weren't just planted there by the cops), but at least the guy didn't even bring them into the building, so nothing happened with them. The feds engaging in idle speculation is a big nothing burger, with a side of nada.

PS: Thanks for making me give CNN clicks with an un-achieved article.  :-

Here's more information on the IEDs found near the Capitol. It's Fox News, if you prefer that to CNN.

Quote
The devices found near the Republican National Committee and Democratic National Committee headquarters in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday were actual explosive devices, according to a senior federal law enforcement official briefed on the investigations.

Fox News first reported that multiple IEDs, resembling pipe bombs, were found near the Capitol grounds on Wednesday.

Specifically, two law enforcement sources said devices resembling pipe bombs were found near the headquarters of the Republican National Committee and the Democratic National Committee, both buildings located near the Capitol grounds.

One senior federal law enforcement official confirmed to Fox News those devices were not phonies, "those things were the real deal."
Source: https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/capitol-hill-violence-explosives-found-at-rnc-dnc-the-real-deal-sources-say

They're both garbage networks, but CNN is by far worse at this point in history (we're not living the the Faux News 90s anymore, when it was the other way around).

Either way, explosive devices may have been "found", but they still weren't inside the Capitol. And who placed them there? All we have so far is that they were "found" somewhere "near" the RNC and DNC headquarters and the investigation is still ongoing.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: myleftnut on January 09, 2021, 01:57:48 PM

You do realize the police let the protestors into Capital Hill?  This was a set up.
Your tinfoil hat might just be a little too tight, but please explain what you mean.

There are videos of the cops moving the barricades to let people in and I already posted an article a couple of posts ago about how off duty cops and military personnel were among the rioters in the Capitol. Even if it's still technically speculative, saying that it was a set up is NOT just a tinfoil hat theory at this point. There's actual evidence to suggest that may have been the case.

Ya I’ve seen that along with cops standing around doing nothing while people actively break through doors but it seems it was them being complicit rather than them setting up the protestors. 
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 09, 2021, 01:58:42 PM
No one, including myself, is trying to convince anyone of anything here; we are just expressing ourselves because for some reason people like to do that in times of chaos and stress. But  if you don't like my posts, don't worry about it; I just came by  to see what the the alt-right segment of the gaming community - the only part of the right I regularly encounter - was saying in a place where they feel safe to fume and blather. It confirmed my impression that the cultural divorce between the right and everyone else is still well in effect, and good riddance.

The various slices of the Trumpism pie have a lot of details to natter on about during the coming days, including but reaching far beyond the stew of absurd ideas and beloved grievances they talk about here. But the main thing they will have to confront is that over a short few years they have basically nothing to show for, they have evolved from a powerful voting block into a group that's just walked into the political wilderness with no plan for getting back out. To one side is the abandonment of your weird belief system and re-integration with the part of society that likes things like the Constitution, democracy and fact-based decision making; to the other side is the descent from political minority to something like a Sunni factionalism to something like an ISIS self-governing gang of violent dipshits, to dead (the end point of anyone who refuses to leave this path). As  far as I am concerned, you can all choke on each other's dicks. But it will be interesting to watch what sorts of choices they all make.

When the "alt-right" is whoever you declare them to be, everyone you meet is "alt-right". You're just a delusion idiot blabbering incomprehensible nonsense at figments of your imagination that don't connect with anything that anyone is saying here and venting onto people you decided are evil monsters apparently based on your desire to frame people as such as a type of sick therapy of sorts, like yelling at random people on the internet makes you feel better. I don't even remember seeing you before last night (or maybe the night before that), yet somehow you have an accurate lock on WTF my actual believes are? Go visit a psych doctor and get medicated or something, or smoke some weed instead.
Seems to me there's no difference between what you posted and:
When the "Marxist" is whoever you declare them to be, everyone you meet is "Marxist". You're just a delusion idiot blabbering incomprehensible nonsense at figments of your imagination that don't connect with anything that anyone is saying here and venting onto people you decided are evil monsters apparently based on your desire to frame people as such as a type of sick therapy of sorts, like yelling at random people on the internet makes you feel better.
Kinda weird, no?

Yeah, specially since I've rarely ever even used the word "Marxist", specially not to declare everyone that indiscriminately.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 09, 2021, 02:03:07 PM

You do realize the police let the protestors into Capital Hill?  This was a set up.
Your tinfoil hat might just be a little too tight, but please explain what you mean.

There are videos of the cops moving the barricades to let people in and I already posted an article a couple of posts ago about how off duty cops and military personnel were among the rioters in the Capitol. Even if it's still technically speculative, saying that it was a set up is NOT just a tinfoil hat theory at this point. There's actual evidence to suggest that may have been the case.

Ya I’ve seen that along with cops standing around doing nothing while people actively break through doors but it seems it was them being complicit rather than them setting up the protestors.

Unless we consider the possibility that maybe those explosive devices that have suddenly been found but never went off or seem to have been strategically placed anywhere where they may have caused actual harm may have been planted by those same "complicit" cops letting the useful idiots inside the Capitol or storming the building with them.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 09, 2021, 02:04:22 PM
You do realize the police let the protestors into Capital Hill?  This was a set up.

Greetings!

I keep on hearing many people saying the same thing, Snowman. Several people and commentators that are well-regarded and known for being sharp have also voiced suspicions of such. As improbable as I might think it is--or part of me, anyways--I can't put anything beyond the Marxist Democrats, ANTIFA, and whatever scum fucking traitors and power-mongers they have ensconced in various agencies of the government. Sadly, deep down, I think many Americans agree that such malicious interference and duplicitousness is entirely possible. I've seen photos taken, video footage, and so on, that damn, yeah. I'm suspicious of more BS from parts of the government. It shouldn't be surprising, though, really. We have large numbers of politicians and political bureaucrats that *hate*President Trump, they hate Conservatives and Trump supporters, and well, is there anything these fucking traitors *wouldn't* do to make Trump and Patriotic Americans that support Trump look bad? All the while, providing themselves with an excuse to grasp more power, make lists of people they can demonize and oppress, and push for more Marxist tyranny?

I think many of these Marxist scum would do anything to advance the Democrat party's power, and to gain advantage against Conservative, patriotic Americans.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 09, 2021, 02:07:57 PM
Anyone want to comment about the presence of John Earle Sullivan at the protest?

(Whozat, Ghost?)

Oh. He's an activist and photojournalist whose last gig was supporting an Antifa/BLM rally in Provo, Utah.

I'm sure he was there for totally innocent reasons. Really.

Weird; a photojournalist at a large public event? Probably selling socks.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 09, 2021, 02:17:18 PM
And since Trump only won 46% of the vote in 2016, I certainly wouldn't call 'half of his supporters' 25% of the population - only 23%.  But that's just math.   
No, it's a failure to understand how to correctly apply math to the real world. In 2016, 63 million voted for Trump, and the US population was 323 million. That's 19.5% of the population. Halve that for the targets of Hillary's hate speech.

Wrong denominator; the voting eligible population in 2016 was much lower, and Clinton's statement was about supporters, not voters.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/01/30/2017-01890/estimates-of-the-voting-age-population-for-2016
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/03/in-past-elections-u-s-trailed-most-developed-countries-in-voter-turnout/

The low turnout is lamentable; I hope nobody is discouraging turnout by saying that an individual's vote doesn't matter.
Correct denominator. I specifically used the total population in 2016, not the total number of eligible voters, because this isn't about who is allowed to vote. It's about who the politicians really represent, and their claims of authority based on the explicit support of the population. And I don't really care about Hillary's statement; only I threw that to make it clear that my numbers was not the half number DeadDMwalking was using.

Your vote doesn't matter, no politician has anything approaching a mandate, and even if they did that's still no excuse to run roughshod over the rest of the population.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 09, 2021, 02:35:48 PM
No one, including myself, is trying to convince anyone of anything here; we are just expressing ourselves because for some reason people like to do that in times of chaos and stress. But  if you don't like my posts, don't worry about it; I just came by  to see what the the alt-right segment of the gaming community - the only part of the right I regularly encounter - was saying in a place where they feel safe to fume and blather. It confirmed my impression that the cultural divorce between the right and everyone else is still well in effect, and good riddance.

The various slices of the Trumpism pie have a lot of details to natter on about during the coming days, including but reaching far beyond the stew of absurd ideas and beloved grievances they talk about here. But the main thing they will have to confront is that over a short few years they have basically nothing to show for, they have evolved from a powerful voting block into a group that's just walked into the political wilderness with no plan for getting back out. To one side is the abandonment of your weird belief system and re-integration with the part of society that likes things like the Constitution, democracy and fact-based decision making; to the other side is the descent from political minority to something like a Sunni factionalism to something like an ISIS self-governing gang of violent dipshits, to dead (the end point of anyone who refuses to leave this path). As  far as I am concerned, you can all choke on each other's dicks. But it will be interesting to watch what sorts of choices they all make.

When the "alt-right" is whoever you declare them to be, everyone you meet is "alt-right". You're just a delusion idiot blabbering incomprehensible nonsense at figments of your imagination that don't connect with anything that anyone is saying here and venting onto people you decided are evil monsters apparently based on your desire to frame people as such as a type of sick therapy of sorts, like yelling at random people on the internet makes you feel better. I don't even remember seeing you before last night (or maybe the night before that), yet somehow you have an accurate lock on WTF my actual believes are? Go visit a psych doctor and get medicated or something, or smoke some weed instead.
Seems to me there's no difference between what you posted and:
When the "Marxist" is whoever you declare them to be, everyone you meet is "Marxist". You're just a delusion idiot blabbering incomprehensible nonsense at figments of your imagination that don't connect with anything that anyone is saying here and venting onto people you decided are evil monsters apparently based on your desire to frame people as such as a type of sick therapy of sorts, like yelling at random people on the internet makes you feel better.
Kinda weird, no?

Yeah, specially since I've rarely ever even used the word "Marxist", specially not to declare everyone that indiscriminately.
Cool. Glad to hear that you'll be blasting at the bleating asswipes that are calling everyone they dislike Marxists. For the record, I don't tend to use labels like alt-right or Marxist either. I do call a lot of people assholes and similar names, but those don't fall along party lines.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 09, 2021, 02:42:38 PM
There are  well documented news reports of everything I wrote. If you haven't seen them, it means you have not been interested enough to check. 
Your first claim is "'protesters' murdered a cop by crushing his head with fire extinguisher". Except I've seen no source beyond random nobodies like you claiming it was directly caused by protesters, that it qualifies as murder, or that his head was crushed. The press release by the Capitol Police on the 7th said he was "injured while physically engaging with protesters". Which is a remarkably useless statement, because it could include friendly fire, an accident like a fall, or some kind of medical condition triggered by stress, like having a stroke. The statement also says he "returned to his division office and collapsed", which seems somewhat unlikely if it was the result of major, obvious trauma (he wouldn't be transporting himself, and he'd be taken to a hospital instead), though I can think of some scenarios where that could have happened. There's also a statement on the 8th by the acting attorney general that they are starting a murder investigation, and "will spare no resources in investigating and holding accountable those responsible". But again, that says little or nothing. An investigation was pretty much guaranteed, looking into whether it was murder does not mean it's murder, and responsibility can mean almost anything. Almost all the news reports seem to be based on the press release and the statement by the acting attorney general. The article l linked below has some additional information, mentioning that the reports of a fire extinguisher can't be confirmed, and that one of their sources said the death was the result of a medical condition, which further suggest it was very different from what you said.

If anybody has any good sources giving more detail on Sicknick's death, I'd like to see them.

It's similar to what we know about the three people who died due to "medical emergencies". Which could be anything; heat stroke, anaphylactic shock, and massive trauma are all medical emergencies. The only death where there seems to be any real information at the moment is Ashli Babbitt's, where they've been very clear she was shot and killed by a cop.

https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/loss-uscp-colleague-brian-d-sicknick
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/capitol-police-officer-dies-injuries-suffered-riots/story?id=75124131
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 09, 2021, 03:44:12 PM
And since Trump only won 46% of the vote in 2016, I certainly wouldn't call 'half of his supporters' 25% of the population - only 23%.  But that's just math.   
No, it's a failure to understand how to correctly apply math to the real world. In 2016, 63 million voted for Trump, and the US population was 323 million. That's 19.5% of the population. Halve that for the targets of Hillary's hate speech.

Wrong denominator; the voting eligible population in 2016 was much lower, and Clinton's statement was about supporters, not voters.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/01/30/2017-01890/estimates-of-the-voting-age-population-for-2016
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/03/in-past-elections-u-s-trailed-most-developed-countries-in-voter-turnout/

The low turnout is lamentable; I hope nobody is discouraging turnout by saying that an individual's vote doesn't matter.
Correct denominator.

Nope, it's not correct. You can't compare number of votes Trump received to the entire population, which includes those who are too young to vote, to determine the level of support. Just speaking from the point of view of applying mathematics to the real world.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 09, 2021, 05:23:42 PM
If anybody has any good sources giving more detail on Sicknick's death, I'd like to see them.

Here's the most that I see:

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Sicknick, 42, was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher during a struggle, two law enforcement officials said, although it was not clear if he was the officer shown in the video. The officials could not discuss the ongoing investigation publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.
Source: https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-death-brian-sicknick-46933a828d7b12de7e3d5620a8a04583

It's similar to what we know about the three people who died due to "medical emergencies". Which could be anything; heat stroke, anaphylactic shock, and massive trauma are all medical emergencies. The only death where there seems to be any real information at the moment is Ashli Babbitt's, where they've been very clear she was shot and killed by a cop.

https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/loss-uscp-colleague-brian-d-sicknick
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/capitol-police-officer-dies-injuries-suffered-riots/story?id=75124131

DC police have confirmed the other three dead as Benjamin Phillips, 50, of Ringtown, Pennsylvania; Kevin Greeson, 55, of Athens, Alabama; and Rosanne Boyland, 34, of Kennesaw, Georgia.

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Rosanne Boyland, 34, was killed in the crush when a few rioters started pushing people, her friend Justin Winchell said.

"They basically created a panic, and the police, in turn, push back on them, so people started falling," Mr Winchell said.

"I put my arm underneath her and was pulling her out and then another guy fell on top of her, and another guy was just walking (on top of her).

"There were people stacked two-three deep…people just crushed."

Paramedics desperately tried to revive her but were unable to.

Photos from earlier that day showed her carrying the banner with the phrase "Don't tread on me".
Source: https://www.9news.com.au/world/rosanne-boyland-trampled-dont-tread-on-me-gadsden-flag-donald-trump-us-capitol-riot/5d5c7251-e17c-4961-88a8-a906f38d7b54

The other two apparently died of strokes -> heart problems. The circumstances of Phillips stroke are still unclear, but Greeson was on the phone with his wife and collapsed near a reporter.

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A member of the group from Honesdale, Gordy Smith, said several people called Phillips when it was time to leave but he didn't arrive. One of those calls was answered by Washington police and told them Phillips suffered a stroke and died at George Washington University Hospital.
Source: https://meaww.com/benjamin-phillips-death-capitol-riots-trumparoo-donald-trump-died-stroke-pennsylvania-ex-wife-kids

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Mr. Greeson had been talking to his wife on his phone when he fell to the sidewalk. A New York Times reporter watched as emergency personnel rushed to help, furiously performing chest compressions, but were unable to revive him.
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/an-alabama-man-who-suffered-a-heart-attack-outside-the-capitol-is-among-the-dead.html
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Daztur on January 09, 2021, 05:36:54 PM
One them them apparently tasered himself.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 09, 2021, 05:45:17 PM
One them them apparently tasered himself.

That was retracted as unconfirmed by the reporter who originally wrote it. It could have been Phillips, but it might just be a false rumor.

Source: https://www.distractify.com/p/did-a-rioter-taser-himself-to-death
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 09, 2021, 05:50:24 PM
There are  well documented news reports of everything I wrote. If you haven't seen them, it means you have not been interested enough to check. 
Your first claim is "'protesters' murdered a cop by crushing his head with fire extinguisher". Except I've seen no source beyond random nobodies like you claiming it was directly caused by protesters, that it qualifies as murder, or that his head was crushed. The press release by the Capitol Police on the 7th said he was "injured while physically engaging with protesters". Which is a remarkably useless statement, because it could include friendly fire, an accident like a fall, or some kind of medical condition triggered by stress, like having a stroke. The statement also says he "returned to his division office and collapsed", which seems somewhat unlikely if it was the result of major, obvious trauma (he wouldn't be transporting himself, and he'd be taken to a hospital instead), though I can think of some scenarios where that could have happened. There's also a statement on the 8th by the acting attorney general that they are starting a murder investigation, and "will spare no resources in investigating and holding accountable those responsible". But again, that says little or nothing. An investigation was pretty much guaranteed, looking into whether it was murder does not mean it's murder, and responsibility can mean almost anything. Almost all the news reports seem to be based on the press release and the statement by the acting attorney general. The article l linked below has some additional information, mentioning that the reports of a fire extinguisher can't be confirmed, and that one of their sources said the death was the result of a medical condition, which further suggest it was very different from what you said.

If anybody has any good sources giving more detail on Sicknick's death, I'd like to see them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/brian-sicknick-police-capitol-dies.html
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At some point in the chaos — with the mob rampaging through the halls of Congress while lawmakers were forced to hide under their desks — he was struck with a fire extinguisher, according to two law enforcement officials.

If it was the fire extinguisher, one would infer that he was hit in the head; it's difficult to imagine any other location that would lead to him collapsing and dying later without having noticed a severe injury immediately. But perhaps he sustained injuries in other ways and the fire extinguisher is a red herring (they do tend to be red). I can't imagine that he was struck with a fire extinguisher by a member of Congress, a staffer, a legitimate visitor, or other police, so I'm pretty sure that would have been a rioter. An AP story (https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-death-brian-sicknick-46933a828d7b12de7e3d5620a8a04583) references a video of a rioter hitting a police officer with a fire extinguisher:
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Armed with metal pipes, pepper spray and other weapons, the mob pushed past the thin police line, and one protester hurled a fire extinguisher at a officer, according to video widely circulated on YouTube.
...
Sicknick, 42, was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher during a struggle, two law enforcement officials said, although it was not clear if he was the officer shown in the video.
Given that very few Capitol Police have ever died in the line of duty (https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/uscp-fast-facts), it would be an extreme coincidence if he just happened to die then for unrelated reasons.

jhkim summarized the other deaths, although I think Kevin Greeson was reported to have died of a heart attack rather than a stroke (lots of claims that he caused it by tasering himself, but now jhkim has posted corrections about that.)
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 09, 2021, 05:59:41 PM
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Correct denominator.

Nope, it's not correct. You can't compare number of votes Trump received to the entire population, which includes those who are too young to vote, to determine the level of support. Just speaking from the point of view of applying mathematics to the real world.
Yes, it is correct. I'm talking about mandates, and how politicians claim they have a mandate when only a tiny sliver of the population voted for them. In that context, the entire population matters. It doesn't matter whether they're in prison or whether they're too young, because they're still part of the population being represented by the politician.

Are you just obstinately refusing to see any point of view other than your own, as usual?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 09, 2021, 06:17:55 PM
If anybody has any good sources giving more detail on Sicknick's death, I'd like to see them.

Here's the most that I see:

Quote
Sicknick, 42, was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher during a struggle, two law enforcement officials said, although it was not clear if he was the officer shown in the video. The officials could not discuss the ongoing investigation publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.
Source: https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-death-brian-sicknick-46933a828d7b12de7e3d5620a8a04583

It's similar to what we know about the three people who died due to "medical emergencies". Which could be anything; heat stroke, anaphylactic shock, and massive trauma are all medical emergencies. The only death where there seems to be any real information at the moment is Ashli Babbitt's, where they've been very clear she was shot and killed by a cop.

https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/loss-uscp-colleague-brian-d-sicknick
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/capitol-police-officer-dies-injuries-suffered-riots/story?id=75124131

DC police have confirmed the other three dead as Benjamin Phillips, 50, of Ringtown, Pennsylvania; Kevin Greeson, 55, of Athens, Alabama; and Rosanne Boyland, 34, of Kennesaw, Georgia.

Quote
Rosanne Boyland, 34, was killed in the crush when a few rioters started pushing people, her friend Justin Winchell said.

"They basically created a panic, and the police, in turn, push back on them, so people started falling," Mr Winchell said.

"I put my arm underneath her and was pulling her out and then another guy fell on top of her, and another guy was just walking (on top of her).

"There were people stacked two-three deep…people just crushed."

Paramedics desperately tried to revive her but were unable to.

Photos from earlier that day showed her carrying the banner with the phrase "Don't tread on me".
Source: https://www.9news.com.au/world/rosanne-boyland-trampled-dont-tread-on-me-gadsden-flag-donald-trump-us-capitol-riot/5d5c7251-e17c-4961-88a8-a906f38d7b54

The other two apparently died of strokes -> heart problems. The circumstances of Phillips stroke are still unclear, but Greeson was on the phone with his wife and collapsed near a reporter.

Quote
A member of the group from Honesdale, Gordy Smith, said several people called Phillips when it was time to leave but he didn't arrive. One of those calls was answered by Washington police and told them Phillips suffered a stroke and died at George Washington University Hospital.
Source: https://meaww.com/benjamin-phillips-death-capitol-riots-trumparoo-donald-trump-died-stroke-pennsylvania-ex-wife-kids

Quote
Mr. Greeson had been talking to his wife on his phone when he fell to the sidewalk. A New York Times reporter watched as emergency personnel rushed to help, furiously performing chest compressions, but were unable to revive him.
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/politics/an-alabama-man-who-suffered-a-heart-attack-outside-the-capitol-is-among-the-dead.html
Useful. Sicknick's death could still be an accident of some kind, but based on your links it seems far more likely someone is culpable of something, though murder is still pure speculation. Since he returned to the division office on his own, the injury was neither immediately fatal nor obviously critical. Sounds like there was a scuffle, an injury, and that resulted in death because of underlying conditions. But the fire extinguisher, the nature of the injury, and the preexisting conditions are all based on unknown sources, so it's still not conclusive. It may be a while before we learn the entire truth, because they won't be sharing much during the investigation.

Being crushed in a crowd is a terrible way to go, but it's hard to pin on a single individual. The other two are unfortunate, but may be nobody's responsibility.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Mistwell on January 09, 2021, 06:19:38 PM
So is this the new thread for discussion of the cosplay coup?

Eager to get it shut down as well?

No, not at all. What gave you the impression I want a thread shut down, much less one I like to participate in?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 09, 2021, 09:37:56 PM
No one, including myself, is trying to convince anyone of anything here; we are just expressing ourselves because for some reason people like to do that in times of chaos and stress. But  if you don't like my posts, don't worry about it; I just came by  to see what the the alt-right segment of the gaming community - the only part of the right I regularly encounter - was saying in a place where they feel safe to fume and blather. It confirmed my impression that the cultural divorce between the right and everyone else is still well in effect, and good riddance.

The various slices of the Trumpism pie have a lot of details to natter on about during the coming days, including but reaching far beyond the stew of absurd ideas and beloved grievances they talk about here. But the main thing they will have to confront is that over a short few years they have basically nothing to show for, they have evolved from a powerful voting block into a group that's just walked into the political wilderness with no plan for getting back out. To one side is the abandonment of your weird belief system and re-integration with the part of society that likes things like the Constitution, democracy and fact-based decision making; to the other side is the descent from political minority to something like a Sunni factionalism to something like an ISIS self-governing gang of violent dipshits, to dead (the end point of anyone who refuses to leave this path). As  far as I am concerned, you can all choke on each other's dicks. But it will be interesting to watch what sorts of choices they all make.

When the "alt-right" is whoever you declare them to be, everyone you meet is "alt-right". You're just a delusion idiot blabbering incomprehensible nonsense at figments of your imagination that don't connect with anything that anyone is saying here and venting onto people you decided are evil monsters apparently based on your desire to frame people as such as a type of sick therapy of sorts, like yelling at random people on the internet makes you feel better. I don't even remember seeing you before last night (or maybe the night before that), yet somehow you have an accurate lock on WTF my actual believes are? Go visit a psych doctor and get medicated or something, or smoke some weed instead.
Seems to me there's no difference between what you posted and:
When the "Marxist" is whoever you declare them to be, everyone you meet is "Marxist". You're just a delusion idiot blabbering incomprehensible nonsense at figments of your imagination that don't connect with anything that anyone is saying here and venting onto people you decided are evil monsters apparently based on your desire to frame people as such as a type of sick therapy of sorts, like yelling at random people on the internet makes you feel better.
Kinda weird, no?

Yeah, specially since I've rarely ever even used the word "Marxist", specially not to declare everyone that indiscriminately.
Cool. Glad to hear that you'll be blasting at the bleating asswipes that are calling everyone they dislike Marxists. For the record, I don't tend to use labels like alt-right or Marxist either. I do call a lot of people assholes and similar names, but those don't fall along party lines.

You seem awfully eager to see the boards policed. Maybe Pundit should make you a mod.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 09, 2021, 10:54:59 PM
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Correct denominator.

Nope, it's not correct. You can't compare number of votes Trump received to the entire population, which includes those who are too young to vote, to determine the level of support. Just speaking from the point of view of applying mathematics to the real world.
Yes, it is correct. I'm talking about mandates, and how politicians claim they have a mandate when only a tiny sliver of the population voted for them. In that context, the entire population matters. It doesn't matter whether they're in prison or whether they're too young, because they're still part of the population being represented by the politician.

Are you just obstinately refusing to see any point of view other than your own, as usual?

You were talking about what percentage of the population Hillary considered deplorable, which was a statement about supporters rather than voters, and nothing about a mandate for Trump or Clinton. No reason to think there were no supporters of either candidate under the age of 18, or otherwise ineligible to vote, among the total population of the US.

If you want to talk about low voter turnout, lowering the percentages generally reported and making it impossible to ever reach 100% turnout because of all the people who are not eligible to vote seems to be exaggerating the problem. It's enough to say that the turnout among eligible voters is embarrassingly low without trying to distort the statistics. Why count non-citizens? Are you advocating that parents and guardians get an extra vote per child? Please, be forthcoming about what you're arguing for if you're not just being a curmudgeon who wants to exaggerate the problem of low voting rates.

Otherwise it's like counting the number of prostate exams but dividing by the entire population and then expressing great concern that a more inadequate rate of diagnostic examinations is being done, at about half the rate responsible public health experts are reporting.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 10, 2021, 01:23:36 AM
You were talking about what percentage of the population Hillary considered deplorable...
No, I was not. I was addressing the concept of the mandate.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 10, 2021, 06:22:10 AM
No one, including myself, is trying to convince anyone of anything here; we are just expressing ourselves because for some reason people like to do that in times of chaos and stress. But  if you don't like my posts, don't worry about it; I just came by  to see what the the alt-right segment of the gaming community - the only part of the right I regularly encounter - was saying in a place where they feel safe to fume and blather. It confirmed my impression that the cultural divorce between the right and everyone else is still well in effect, and good riddance.

The various slices of the Trumpism pie have a lot of details to natter on about during the coming days, including but reaching far beyond the stew of absurd ideas and beloved grievances they talk about here. But the main thing they will have to confront is that over a short few years they have basically nothing to show for, they have evolved from a powerful voting block into a group that's just walked into the political wilderness with no plan for getting back out. To one side is the abandonment of your weird belief system and re-integration with the part of society that likes things like the Constitution, democracy and fact-based decision making; to the other side is the descent from political minority to something like a Sunni factionalism to something like an ISIS self-governing gang of violent dipshits, to dead (the end point of anyone who refuses to leave this path). As  far as I am concerned, you can all choke on each other's dicks. But it will be interesting to watch what sorts of choices they all make.

When the "alt-right" is whoever you declare them to be, everyone you meet is "alt-right". You're just a delusion idiot blabbering incomprehensible nonsense at figments of your imagination that don't connect with anything that anyone is saying here and venting onto people you decided are evil monsters apparently based on your desire to frame people as such as a type of sick therapy of sorts, like yelling at random people on the internet makes you feel better. I don't even remember seeing you before last night (or maybe the night before that), yet somehow you have an accurate lock on WTF my actual believes are? Go visit a psych doctor and get medicated or something, or smoke some weed instead.
Seems to me there's no difference between what you posted and:
When the "Marxist" is whoever you declare them to be, everyone you meet is "Marxist". You're just a delusion idiot blabbering incomprehensible nonsense at figments of your imagination that don't connect with anything that anyone is saying here and venting onto people you decided are evil monsters apparently based on your desire to frame people as such as a type of sick therapy of sorts, like yelling at random people on the internet makes you feel better.
Kinda weird, no?

Yeah, specially since I've rarely ever even used the word "Marxist", specially not to declare everyone that indiscriminately.
Cool. Glad to hear that you'll be blasting at the bleating asswipes that are calling everyone they dislike Marxists. For the record, I don't tend to use labels like alt-right or Marxist either. I do call a lot of people assholes and similar names, but those don't fall along party lines.

You seem awfully eager to see the boards policed. Maybe Pundit should make you a mod.
I see you too use sarcastic black type. ;)
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 10, 2021, 11:26:19 AM
You were talking about what percentage of the population Hillary considered deplorable...
No, I was not. I was addressing the concept of the mandate.

No, in the context of claiming to apply math but using the wrong denominator, you said:
No, it's a failure to understand how to correctly apply math to the real world. In 2016, 63 million voted for Trump, and the US population was 323 million. That's 19.5% of the population. Halve that for the targets of Hillary's hate speech.

You went on to extend the idea of this incorrect calculation to the concept of a mandate. Why should you expect a mandate to include people who can't vote? George Washington certainly had a mandate, with 100% of electors voting for him, but there was almost no popular vote.

But you haven't explained your position: if only 65% of the population can vote, and 40% actually vote and all voted for candidate X, that would be a turnout by the normal calculation of 61.5%, which is only exceeded by 2008 from 1968 to 2016. Would X have a mandate with 100% of the vote but only 40% of the population? Any candidate who wins has a mandate in one sense; the authority to govern in the office elected to.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 10, 2021, 11:37:15 AM
You were talking about what percentage of the population Hillary considered deplorable...
No, I was not. I was addressing the concept of the mandate.

No, in the context of claiming to apply math but using the wrong denominator, you said:
No, it's a failure to understand how to correctly apply math to the real world. In 2016, 63 million voted for Trump, and the US population was 323 million. That's 19.5% of the population. Halve that for the targets of Hillary's hate speech.

You went on to extend the idea of this incorrect calculation to the concept of a mandate. Why should you expect a mandate to include people who can't vote? George Washington certainly had a mandate, with 100% of electors voting for him, but there was almost no popular vote.

But you haven't explained your position: if only 65% of the population can vote, and 40% actually vote and all voted for candidate X, that would be a turnout by the normal calculation of 61.5%, which is only exceeded by 2008 from 1968 to 2016. Would X have a mandate with 100% of the vote but only 40% of the population? Any candidate who wins has a mandate in one sense; the authority to govern in the office elected to.
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not talking about the percentage of people who can vote. DeadDMwalking's post specifically said "population", not the "smaller percentage of the population who are allowed to vote". That's what I replied to, and I said "population" as well. I was referring to the total population, which should be from context, from the words I used, and in every other conceivable interpretation. And in the post you replied to, already I pointed out that I was mentioned the percentage of delorables just to clarify the percentage I was using was based on the full population, not the halved deplorables, and that I don't care about that. The entire focus and point of my post was to talk about the mandate, and how tiny a percentage of the population actually composes any "mandate". That's my position, which I clearly explained in my very first post, and my math is correct.

You really should practice listening to what people say, or at the very least listening to them when they tell you what they said, after you didn't bother to listen in the first place. Or listen to them the time after that, after they explain again what they said. Or when they explain it again. Heck, any one of those four times would work. You just have listen to them once.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 10, 2021, 12:53:06 PM
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What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not talking about the percentage of people who can vote. DeadDMwalking's post specifically said "population", not the "smaller percentage of the population who are allowed to vote".

But he also referenced the voters from Trump as if they were all the supporters of Trump. So you can claim incorrect numerator instead if you want.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 10, 2021, 01:02:41 PM
The storming of the Capitol Building looks worse and worse by the day.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/media/reliable-sources-january-8/index.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-capitol-police-2021-1
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/08/maryland-governor-describes-delayed-permission-to-send-national-guard/
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 10, 2021, 04:11:27 PM
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What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not talking about the percentage of people who can vote. DeadDMwalking's post specifically said "population", not the "smaller percentage of the population who are allowed to vote".

But he also referenced the voters from Trump as if they were all the supporters of Trump. So you can claim incorrect numerator instead if you want.
Shame you didn't address the person who said that, not the person who was only interested in talking about the concept of a mandate.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 10, 2021, 05:02:02 PM
[But he also referenced the voters from Trump as if they were all the supporters of Trump. So you can claim incorrect numerator instead if you want.
Shame you didn't address the person who said that, not the person who was only interested in talking about the concept of a mandate.

His response was mathematically correct even if it did not address non-voters. You're welcome to talk about something else, no matter how lame the segue, but not using mathematical errors.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 10, 2021, 05:54:50 PM
Following up on earlier comparison of the June 2020 BLM action at the White House, and the January 2021 at the Capitol...

"In june they stormed the white house...Black Lives Matter stromed the White House, they broke the barricades...no one was killed, no one was shot...we had a group of largely people of color storming the White House and none of them were murdered" - Michael Malice
...
It's all about framing, unexamined bias and people's short memory spans. I didn't even remember this. BLM actually stormed the White House and NO ONE called them "Insurgents" back then.
Source? As far as I saw, all of the June 2020 protests were *outside* the White House - and they were dispersed with tear gas and stun grenades from the area. Here's some video from the time:
...
EDITED TO ADD: I guess one could read "broke the barricades" to mean that they pushed past barricades on the street - but as far as I saw, no one got up to the White House building itself, let alone broke inside and looted the place.

There was still a breach and potential threat to the President, and no one was killed, and no one took it seriously, cuz Orange Man Bad.

You're using "stormed" and "breach" as if the two events were equivalent, but you're not denying the facts that I'm citing here. You claimed that the BLM protesters "stormed the White House" -- when they were all hundreds of feet away from the building. A "breach" which happens on the street hundreds of feet from the building is not at all equivalent to smashing in windows and doors to go in and loot the place.


More broadly, when comparing BLM protests to this the Capitol -- it's important to compare apples to apples. There's mass action that is supported by the crowd, and there's individual actions by fringe elements on their own. The Capitol storming was something that was broadly supported. A large minority of Republicans are supportive not just of Trump protests in general, but of storming the Capitol in particular. We saw that here in this forum, as posters like SHARK cheered as the Capitol was stormed.

I think the closest equivalent to storming the DC Capitol would be the Seattle riots that overran the Capitol Hill police station. (And the names make it an appropriate parallel.) But that was vastly smaller scale than the DC Capitol.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 10, 2021, 06:25:05 PM
More broadly, when comparing BLM protests to this the Capitol -- it's important to compare apples to apples. There's mass action that is supported by the crowd, and there's individual actions by fringe elements on their own. The Capitol storming was something that was broadly supported. A large minority of Republicans are supportive not just of Trump protests in general, but of storming the Capitol in particular. We saw that here in this forum, as posters like SHARK cheered as the Capitol was stormed.

I think the closest equivalent to storming the DC Capitol would be the Seattle riots that overran the Capitol Hill police station. (And the names make it an appropriate parallel.) But that was vastly smaller scale than the DC Capitol.

If you want to compare storming of the Capitol then we all remember the Kavanaugh hearing where over 300 protestors were arrested:

(https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/protest_grassleychuck_aca_kavanaughbrett_090618gn_lead.jpg?itok=aoV_bHF9)

Elizabeth Warren stirring up the demonstrators:

(https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2018_39/2579996/ss-180926-brett-kavanaugh-confirmation-hearing-19_53f084026d39f34b1c59035b82f80c53.fit-880w.jpg)

More Kavanaugh Protestors:

(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2018/10/1862/1048/hart.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 10, 2021, 07:13:12 PM
[But he also referenced the voters from Trump as if they were all the supporters of Trump. So you can claim incorrect numerator instead if you want.
Shame you didn't address the person who said that, not the person who was only interested in talking about the concept of a mandate.

His response was mathematically correct even if it did not address non-voters. You're welcome to talk about something else, no matter how lame the segue, but not using mathematical errors.
I never said the math was wrong, I said it was applied incorrectly. Completely different things. Have you lost track of the discussion?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 10, 2021, 07:17:50 PM
More broadly, when comparing BLM protests to this the Capitol -- it's important to compare apples to apples. There's mass action that is supported by the crowd, and there's individual actions by fringe elements on their own. The Capitol storming was something that was broadly supported. A large minority of Republicans are supportive not just of Trump protests in general, but of storming the Capitol in particular. We saw that here in this forum, as posters like SHARK cheered as the Capitol was stormed.

I think the closest equivalent to storming the DC Capitol would be the Seattle riots that overran the Capitol Hill police station. (And the names make it an appropriate parallel.) But that was vastly smaller scale than the DC Capitol.

If you want to compare storming of the Capitol then we all remember the Kavanaugh hearing where over 300 protestors were arrested:
Quote
Elizabeth Warren stirring up the demonstrators:
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More Kavanaugh Protestors:

There must have been many Capitol Police killed and injured, since it's comparable. How long did the Senators have to shelter in secure bunkers?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 10, 2021, 07:22:50 PM
I never said the math was wrong, I said it was applied incorrectly. Completely different things. Have you lost track of the discussion?

I never said you said his math was wrong; I was explaining that I corrected the person whose math was wrong.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 10, 2021, 07:30:57 PM
I never said the math was wrong, I said it was applied incorrectly. Completely different things. Have you lost track of the discussion?

I never said you said his math was wrong; I was explaining that I corrected the person whose math was wrong.
You literally just said "You're welcome to talk about something else... (insert obligatory attack)... but not using mathematical errors."

Why are you doing this? There's literally no point to it.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 10, 2021, 07:54:40 PM
I never said the math was wrong, I said it was applied incorrectly. Completely different things. Have you lost track of the discussion?

I never said you said his math was wrong; I was explaining that I corrected the person whose math was wrong.
You literally just said "You're welcome to talk about something else... (insert obligatory attack)... but not using mathematical errors."

Why are you doing this? There's literally no point to it.

Your segue from Hillary's comments and what it implied to the mandate was not very smooth.

I care about mathematics and I think it matters.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 10, 2021, 08:22:12 PM
Your segue from Hillary's comments and what it implied to the mandate was not very smooth.

I care about mathematics and I think it matters.
I don't care about Hillary as much as you seem to, but I do care about mathematics and I think it matters. That's why I placed it in context and then addressed a broader issue than parochial partisanship. We could have discussed the different ways it could have been sliced and diced, but you shot that pooch.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 10, 2021, 08:51:22 PM
Math is racist. I'm ashamed to be posting on a board with a bunch of white supremacists.

https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/06/technology/weapons-of-math-destruction/index.html

https://www.k12.wa.us/sites/default/files/public/socialstudies/pubdocs/Math%20SDS%20ES%20Framework.pdf
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 10, 2021, 09:45:03 PM
I think the closest equivalent to storming the DC Capitol would be the Seattle riots that overran the Capitol Hill police station. (And the names make it an appropriate parallel.) But that was vastly smaller scale than the DC Capitol.

If you want to compare storming of the Capitol then we all remember the Kavanaugh hearing where over 300 protestors were arrested:
...
Elizabeth Warren stirring up the demonstrators:
...
More Kavanaugh Protestors:

But as rawma alludes to, the Kavanaugh protests were entirely peaceful - the arrests were for crowding or obstructing at most. As far as I know, no officers were injured, and there was no property damage. If the Jan 6 protests had been like this, Trump's supporters would have looked a lot better.

At least in my parallel, there were officers injured and property damage.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 10, 2021, 10:04:07 PM
I think the closest equivalent to storming the DC Capitol would be the Seattle riots that overran the Capitol Hill police station. (And the names make it an appropriate parallel.) But that was vastly smaller scale than the DC Capitol.

If you want to compare storming of the Capitol then we all remember the Kavanaugh hearing where over 300 protestors were arrested:
...
Elizabeth Warren stirring up the demonstrators:
...
More Kavanaugh Protestors:

But as rawma alludes to, the Kavanaugh protests were entirely peaceful - the arrests were for crowding or obstructing at most. As far as I know, no officers were injured, and there was no property damage. If the Jan 6 protests had been like this, Trump's supporters would have looked a lot better.

At least in my parallel, there were officers injured and property damage.

You dont have over 300 people arrested at an entirely peaceful protest.

And as for property damage, you have insurance, right?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 10, 2021, 10:44:36 PM
But as rawma alludes to, the Kavanaugh protests were entirely peaceful - the arrests were for crowding or obstructing at most. As far as I know, no officers were injured, and there was no property damage. If the Jan 6 protests had been like this, Trump's supporters would have looked a lot better.

At least in my parallel, there were officers injured and property damage.

You dont have over 300 people arrested at an entirely peaceful protest.

And as for property damage, you have insurance, right?

The crimes they were arrested and charged with were "crowding, obstruction, or incommoding" along with "unlawful conduct" and "disorderly conduct". As far as I know, this was all done within areas legally accessible to the public. They walked in and stood there, holding signs and chanting or yelling. That is what I would call non-violent protest, like what was done by MLK Jr and the SNCC in the 1960s, which also had mass arrests.

They never pushed or struck any officers or other people.

If you disagree, could you specify what violent activities were committed?

Sources:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/capitol-police-arrest-101-people-in-washington-dc-amid-kavanaugh-protests
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/73-arrested-charged-amid-protests-at-kavanaugh-hearings
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/410015-capitol-police-make-over-300-arrests-during-anti-kavanaugh-protests
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Spinachcat on January 10, 2021, 11:35:58 PM
BLM riots = doubleplusgood
Trump "riot" = doubleplusbad

Civil war and/or national collapse has been earned mightily.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 11, 2021, 01:41:41 AM
BLM riots = doubleplusgood
Trump "riot" = doubleplusbad

I'd say: as far as actions done (leaving aside the cause), the various BLM protests and riots were mixed with some good and some bad (violent/non-violent). Trump protests have also been mixed and mostly good, but specifically storming the Capitol was worse than any single BLM event.

The Kavanaugh protests were purely non-violent. That doesn't mean that the protesters were right - just that how they conducted their protest was good.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 11, 2021, 03:09:33 AM
BLM riots = doubleplusgood
Trump "riot" = doubleplusbad

Civil war and/or national collapse has been earned mightily.

Greetings!

Indeed, Spinachcat! The Democrats sniveling corruption, duplicitous hypocrisy, and pursuit of tyranny is not going to end well. Civil War or national collapse.

The protestors at the Capital building are a good example--more will come. Next time, people will say fuck it, Marxism is here. Time to stand against tyranny, and bring guns.

"The underlying context needs to be understood! Protesters are expressing their pain, and anger at injustice and oppression! We need to listen to them, and take them seriously." And Chris Cuomo, lecturing America on national television to the great applause and support from Liberals, saying that "Who said protests have to be polite and peaceful?" That is what Democrats have all been saying about BLM and ANTIFA rioters for months

The Democrats keep cock-sucking for Marxism, we are likely to see the Troubles of Ireland breaking out all over the country. People being flame-throwered, mobbed and beaten to death, assassinated by snipers, blown the fuck up in bombs. Every week, every month, bodies will be hitting the floor. High and low, no one will be safe from the wrath and Hell that's coming.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Daztur on January 11, 2021, 03:15:31 AM
The protestors at the Capital building are a good example--more will come.

And how many cops will they murder next time?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 11, 2021, 04:25:42 AM
The protestors at the Capital building are a good example--more will come.

And how many cops will they murder next time?

Greetings!

Well, as other posters have mentioned--I think it was Pat--there is certainly questions about whether the Capital police officer died from some other cause. In any event, if there is a person that is found to be guilty of assault and murder--then such a person will be prosecuted. I have heard that the Capital police officer's family have stated that their police officer died from pre-existing medical conditions, and was not murdered by anyone.

Then, of course, why are the Leftists not screaming about how a Capital police officer shot and murdered US Air Force veteran, Ashli Babbit, who was unarmed. Such an example of excessive force, right? That Capital police officer didn't have to resort to deadly force, as Ashli Babbit was unarmed, and not a threat to anyone.

Right, that is essentially the same argument made by Leftists concerning many of the BLM and ANTIFA people, and others involved with various incidents involving law enforcement.

I wonder how many BLM and ANTFA members were prosecuted for murder during the months of violent rioting, burning, and looting that gripped America for these past many months?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Spinachcat on January 11, 2021, 04:27:36 AM
January 6th will live in infamy because it was the Unveiling. The unbelievably and grotesquely obvious election fraud is the ultimate litmus test - do you stand by the theft of a Presidential election or not? And we got the answers.

NOW everyone knows who are the Patriots vs. the Traitors, and no Republican voter can make believe their party leadership stands for anything remotely American. No Democrat can pretend they have the slightest integrity. It's ONLY about a power grab and subjugation of wrongthinkers.

1/6 was the axe that divides America forever. Everyone knows where they stand - and THAT is powerful.

All that's left is the divorce or the slaughter.


Trump protests have also been mixed and mostly good, but specifically storming the Capitol was worse than any single BLM event.

Kinda hard to "storm the Capitol" when the guards open the doors for you.

And its a shame you don't have a business I can loot and burn down "for racial justice" so you can tell me how Trump's protest was so much worse than any BLM event.


And how many cops will they murder next time?

All of them? That's how an actual coup works in the real world.

But why would cops even be there under Dementia JoJo? I thought we had to Defund the Police and replace them with social workers?

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: deadDMwalking on January 11, 2021, 06:45:59 AM
I disagree with 'obvious and grotesque election fraud'.

There is no evidence of fraud.  Claims of fraud have been investigated.  Most of the states where fraud has been claimed - all of which are battleground states that showed Biden with a lead in pre-election polling - have Republican officials in charge of the elections.

Prior to the election, Trump claimed that it was fraud if he lost.  It would have been appropriate to take actions to prevent fraud.  Nearly every single court case was decided along the lines of 'if this was unfair you should have brought it up BEFORE the election'.  None of those contentions are actually of fraud - just states running their elections following the rule of law as they do.  Post-election, Trump demanding that states like Georgia 'find the votes' to put him in the lead are criminal attempts at stealing an election. 

The Republican secretary of state submitted a point-by-point rebuttal of every single claim.  These things are not complicated. 

The one consistent message is that every year a small number of fraudulent votes are initially counted - but they are investigated and dealt with and they are not enough to swing an election.  Not in a single state and not nationally.  While polling may have failed to capture Trump's full support (which was a major point of discussion) our best models and tools indicated this would be a close election in the Electoral College, but not in the popular vote.  That's exactly what happened.

Republican attempts to disenfranchise millions of Americans for voting their conscience are traitorous.  Our officials take an oath to uphold the constitution.  Elections are integral to the Democratic process.  Throwing out the results of this election without any evidence of fraud would not magically make things 'fair' - how would you be certain that your new 'chosen results actually reflect the will of the people?  These things can't be decided by 'feelz'.

Prior conversations about California and 'coastal elites' acknowledge that a huge chunk of this country subscribes to Democratic philosophies.  There were a few states that flipped from Trump to Biden - those states had been won by Trump by relatively small margins (some razor thin) and conventional wisdom has been that demographic changes would erase those margins.

It is not controversial that older and more religious voters are staunchly Republican, and minorities and younger voters lean Democrat.  Demographic shifts explain just about everything we saw in 2020.  There is no conspiracy required.  There was no fraud required. 

Disregarding election results because you don't like them is Un-american.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: moonsweeper on January 11, 2021, 06:48:43 AM
BLM riots = doubleplusgood
Trump "riot" = doubleplusbad

I'd say: as far as actions done (leaving aside the cause), the various BLM protests and riots were mixed with some good and some bad (violent/non-violent). Trump protests have also been mixed and mostly good, but specifically storming the Capitol was worse than any single BLM event.


Ahhh...the old 'terrorism is ok as long as I agree with their political motives' defense.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 11, 2021, 06:51:13 AM
Interesting comment, in the New York Times, about Pelosi's attempt to get the Joint Chiefs to take away Trump's powers as Commander in Chief:
Quote from: NYT, Jan. 8, 2021
Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California on Friday took the unprecedented step of asking the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff about “available precautions” to prevent President Trump from initiating military action abroad or using his sole authority to launch nuclear weapons in the last days of his term.

In a phone call to the chairman, Gen. Mark A. Milley, Ms. Pelosi appeared to be seeking to have the Pentagon leadership essentially remove Mr. Trump from his authorities as the commander in chief. That could be accomplished by ignoring the president’s orders or slowing them by questioning whether they were issued legally.

But General Milley appears to have made no commitments. Short of the cabinet invoking the 25th Amendment or removing Mr. Trump through impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate, it is unconstitutional to defy legal orders from the commander in chief.

Ms. Pelosi’s request, which she announced to the Democratic caucus as an effort to prevent “an unhinged president” from using the nuclear codes, was wrapped in the politics of seeking a second impeachment of Mr. Trump.

Col. Dave Butler, a spokesman for General Milley, confirmed that the phone call with the speaker had taken place but described it as informational. “He answered her questions regarding the process of nuclear command authority,” he said.

But some Defense Department officials clearly resented being asked to act outside of the legal authority of the 25th Amendment and saw it as more evidence of a broken political system. They said that some political leaders were trying to get the Pentagon to do the work of Congress and cabinet secretaries, who have legal options to remove a president.

Mr. Trump, they noted, is still the commander in chief; unless he is removed, the military is bound to follow his lawful orders. While military officials can refuse to carry out orders they view as illegal — or slow the process by sending those orders for careful legal review — they cannot remove the president from the chain of command. That would amount to a military coup, the officials said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/politics/trump-pelosi-nuclear-military.html
There's that word "coup" again. This time talking about Pelosi, and coming from top military officials.

Even Vox criticized her actions, with very strong language:
Quote from: Vox, Jan. 8, 2021
“This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike,” Pelosi wrote.

She later told House Democrats on a call that Milley assured her there are safeguards in place to prevent the president from ordering an illegal nuclear strike, USA Today reported. (A Joint Chiefs spokesperson later confirmed that Milley had spoken with Pelosi: “Speaker Pelosi initiated a call with the Chairman. He answered her questions regarding the process of nuclear command authority.”)

It’s understandable that his critics on the Hill — who were hunkered down in the belly of the Capitol while Trump’s supporters raided their offices Wednesday — would be tempted to snatch the president’s keys to the “red button.”

But the House speaker does not have the authority to try to keep the nuclear codes from Trump. Like it or not, the president of the United States has sole authority to launch a nuclear weapon.

Pelosi knows this full well — and that’s the point.

The move was political, a way to gin up support for the new Democratic push to impeach Trump over his incitement of the violence that occurred at the US Capitol on Wednesday. (The Washington insider newsletter Punchbowl reported Friday that some Republicans would be “sure to support the move” to impeach.)

Pelosi is a savvy political operator, and painting Trump as not just unhinged but an imminent threat to global security is certainly a way to heighten pressure on members of Congress to support impeachment.

But in this case, Pelosi is playing with literal fire.

Using the US nuclear command-and-control system for politics undermines the longstanding US approach to dissuading foreign adversaries from attacking the United States with nuclear weapons.

The president, as commander in chief, has sole authority to launch a nuclear weapon for an important reason: speed. In order to deter an adversary from launching nukes at the US, the thinking goes, they need to know that the US can send one (or more, potentially a lot more) right back at them, even before the enemy nukes get close to the US.

The idea is that knowing the US can obliterate a country no matter what, even if the US is attacked with nukes itself, will prevent a country from ever trying it.
https://www.vox.com/22220989/trump-nuclear-codes-pelosi-impeachment
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Melan on January 11, 2021, 06:52:39 AM
If the American elite had actual wisdom, they would try to defuse this any way they could, deescalate, and offer an olive branch; hell, they would never have overreached. Trump and his movement would have faded; scandals would have tarnished his image for a few decades (before getting reappraised as an ultimately decent president hamstrung by a scheming bureaucracy), and a lighter version of his brand could have been assimilated into the political class, by someone like President Tucker, or one of the smarter young Republicans. Instead, they just turned the heat to from "frog-boiling" to the max, because they are afraid, and drunk with visions of revenge. This is how weak, scared men consolidate their rule, and create a myriad grievances.

Back Trump and US conservatives into a corner; create a pressure cooker atmosphere, and tear down their illusions of being invested in the system and in control of their own destiny - where every bankrupted small businessman would still have a fanatical belief in the free market and the cops and the courts. Expose these guys to the previously fringe idea that the state is in the hands of aliens who want them gone, and "these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny".

This will simmer for a while - might be a few years, honestly, while the anger accummulates - and explode in a phenomenally ugly fashion when it is least expected. History proves ruling over a people against its values it is not a stable way of governance. They will not rule over America for long. This will be over in 8-10 years, tops.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 11, 2021, 07:04:53 AM
For those of you who believe 'credentials' add some kind of level of wisdom, I present Keith Boykin.

Graduated from Harvard. But evidently has major amnesia, or at the least can't pick up a book.

https://gunfreezone.net/graduated-from-harvard-works-at-cnn-wrote-a-book-knows-nothing/

'Durr, what if Al Sharpton led a rally and a riot broke out?'
'....Well, he did. Twice. And has never been charged. He's also evaded civil judgements against him by arranging his assets such that he doesn't actually -own- anything.'
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 11, 2021, 07:08:59 AM
Aaaaannnnd... Parler's gone.

As of a little after 3 am (EST), apparently. It was hosted on Amazon (their cloud-based webservice AWS, most likely), and they suspended the service "after finding 98 posts that supported violence".

https://www.newsweek.com/parler-users-say-goodbyes-site-taken-down-1560428

We're living in crazy times.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 11, 2021, 07:23:48 AM
And now the president-elect has compared sitting US senators to Nazis.
 
Reporter: Do you think some of them resign? Should Senator Cruz or Senator Hawley resign?
Biden: I think they should be flat beaten the next time they run. I think the American public has a real good clear look at who they are. They’re part of the big lie. The big lie. Goebbels and the great lie. You keep repeating the lie.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2021/01/08/biden-likens-ted-cruz-to-nazi-propagandist-goebbels-for-helping-trump-spread-big-lie-about-election-fraud/

Why yes, Godwinning your opponents is a way of calling for unity and reconciliation.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 11, 2021, 07:33:10 AM
Greetings!

The preponderance of evidence shows there is fraud and corruption. Legitimate and thorough investigations need to be made--and have not been. Having controlling Democrats and RINO's in various offices claim that they have investigated is laughable, and means nothing. All of America and even people around the world know that the 2020 elections have been an absolute corrupt mess. Justice needs to prevail. No one gives a fuck if some jello-filled Marxists believe that Biden won and the election was fine--75 million Americans think they are full of shit and corrupt as fuck. Oh, that's right, why might that be? Again, review what the cock-sucking Democrats have done over the last four years, hand in hand with a corrupt, lying media. Review how Biden hardly campaigned at all. Review how several state's Governors, Attorney Generals, and Secretary of States have violated their own constitution and changed election laws and procedures in entirely unconstitutional manner. Review how 5 or six of the battleground states all stopped voting at approximately the same time in the late night--when Trump was ahead by large margins--and then in the morning, somehow Biden had won. Think about the cacophony of all of these media outlets and politicians braying for people to shut up, sit down, there's no fraud! Nothing to see here! Then, look at absolute censorship and tyranny breaking out in society and online--with people being censored, banned, and shut down because they don't swallow down the cock-sucking Marxist narrative.

Fucking Marxists need to be resisted. If the President of the United States can be censored, what does that mean for anyone else? Marxism, tyranny, censorship and oppression is right here, right now, and rushing America stronger by the day.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 11, 2021, 07:46:32 AM
Interesting comment, in the New York Times, about Pelosi's attempt to get the Joint Chiefs to take away Trump's powers as Commander in Chief:
Quote from: NYT, Jan. 8, 2021
Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California on Friday took the unprecedented step of asking the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff about “available precautions” to prevent President Trump from initiating military action abroad or using his sole authority to launch nuclear weapons in the last days of his term.

In a phone call to the chairman, Gen. Mark A. Milley, Ms. Pelosi appeared to be seeking to have the Pentagon leadership essentially remove Mr. Trump from his authorities as the commander in chief. That could be accomplished by ignoring the president’s orders or slowing them by questioning whether they were issued legally.

But General Milley appears to have made no commitments. Short of the cabinet invoking the 25th Amendment or removing Mr. Trump through impeachment in the House and conviction in the Senate, it is unconstitutional to defy legal orders from the commander in chief.

Ms. Pelosi’s request, which she announced to the Democratic caucus as an effort to prevent “an unhinged president” from using the nuclear codes, was wrapped in the politics of seeking a second impeachment of Mr. Trump.

Col. Dave Butler, a spokesman for General Milley, confirmed that the phone call with the speaker had taken place but described it as informational. “He answered her questions regarding the process of nuclear command authority,” he said.

But some Defense Department officials clearly resented being asked to act outside of the legal authority of the 25th Amendment and saw it as more evidence of a broken political system. They said that some political leaders were trying to get the Pentagon to do the work of Congress and cabinet secretaries, who have legal options to remove a president.

Mr. Trump, they noted, is still the commander in chief; unless he is removed, the military is bound to follow his lawful orders. While military officials can refuse to carry out orders they view as illegal — or slow the process by sending those orders for careful legal review — they cannot remove the president from the chain of command. That would amount to a military coup, the officials said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/politics/trump-pelosi-nuclear-military.html
There's that word "coup" again. This time talking about Pelosi, and coming from top military officials.

Even Vox criticized her actions, with very strong language:
Quote from: Vox, Jan. 8, 2021
“This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike,” Pelosi wrote.

She later told House Democrats on a call that Milley assured her there are safeguards in place to prevent the president from ordering an illegal nuclear strike, USA Today reported. (A Joint Chiefs spokesperson later confirmed that Milley had spoken with Pelosi: “Speaker Pelosi initiated a call with the Chairman. He answered her questions regarding the process of nuclear command authority.”)

It’s understandable that his critics on the Hill — who were hunkered down in the belly of the Capitol while Trump’s supporters raided their offices Wednesday — would be tempted to snatch the president’s keys to the “red button.”

But the House speaker does not have the authority to try to keep the nuclear codes from Trump. Like it or not, the president of the United States has sole authority to launch a nuclear weapon.

Pelosi knows this full well — and that’s the point.

The move was political, a way to gin up support for the new Democratic push to impeach Trump over his incitement of the violence that occurred at the US Capitol on Wednesday. (The Washington insider newsletter Punchbowl reported Friday that some Republicans would be “sure to support the move” to impeach.)

Pelosi is a savvy political operator, and painting Trump as not just unhinged but an imminent threat to global security is certainly a way to heighten pressure on members of Congress to support impeachment.

But in this case, Pelosi is playing with literal fire.

Using the US nuclear command-and-control system for politics undermines the longstanding US approach to dissuading foreign adversaries from attacking the United States with nuclear weapons.

The president, as commander in chief, has sole authority to launch a nuclear weapon for an important reason: speed. In order to deter an adversary from launching nukes at the US, the thinking goes, they need to know that the US can send one (or more, potentially a lot more) right back at them, even before the enemy nukes get close to the US.

The idea is that knowing the US can obliterate a country no matter what, even if the US is attacked with nukes itself, will prevent a country from ever trying it.
https://www.vox.com/22220989/trump-nuclear-codes-pelosi-impeachment

Greetings!

It would be very interesting if President Trump signs the Insurrection Act and Nancy Polosi and others are arrested for Sedition and Treason.

Twitter, Google, all of them could be seized and confiscated by the government. Imagine how all of the Marxists would be REEEing.

So many corrupt politicians and bureaucrats in Washington. They need to be cleaned out.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 11, 2021, 08:06:17 AM
BLM riots = doubleplusgood
Trump "riot" = doubleplusbad

Civil war and/or national collapse has been earned mightily.

Correct.

And these double standard are precisely how the dominant society has always treated the undesired marginalized groups throughout history, by the way.

Rosa Parks got famous cuz she wouldn't go to the back of the bus, like she was supposed to. How dare she even sit in the front? Right now, there are THOUSANDS of Trump supporters and wrong thinkers being purged from social media. Alternatives to those sites are also being purged as well. People are even talking about denying Trump and his supporters BANKING services and removing them from the economy. There is NOWHERE to go. Trump supporters and people who don't agree with the establishment aren't being told that they need to go to the back of the bus. They're being told they don't have a right to even be in one.

And as much as the ignorant credulous idiots would like to see social media and the internet as this frivolous, optional thing that didn't even exist a couple decades ago, neither did cars (or busses) at one point. And the internet is the greatest, most powerful invention and communications tool in the entire span of human history. Right now there are people from all over the world posting near-instant messages right on this very forum. People from across the globe are doing lifestreams and having life discussions in real time for thousands of people across the planet. Businesses are still flourishing even throughout the lockdowns if they were smart enough and able to develop some type of online presence were they could sell their goods and services, which they can sell, not only to those within walking or driving distance of their business establishment, but to anyone in the entire world. Entire elections have been decided for decades, going back to Obama, by social media presence, advertisement and engagement. The internet is the future and we're living in the Information Age. If you don't have access to it you mean NOTHING.

I know that some Trump supporters may not like to hear this word or apply it to themselves given how SJWs have completely wipe their butts with it, and that people have been conditioned to believe that it can only ever apply to certain groups or races in society (particularly in the US)--never to "white people", but Trump supporters are being OPPRESSED in the literal meaning of the word. They're being treated as second class fucking subhumans cuz they had the audacity to rise up and voice their concerns, and are being denied the right to ever voice their grievances or participate in the political process in any meaningful way, or even participate in the online economy in the information era, while their political opposition gets to keep theirs.

But what's important to remember is that the storming of the Capitol was the worse attack in US history...cuz it was the wrong people doing it.

And how dare they?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 11, 2021, 08:12:43 AM
Greetings!

The preponderance of evidence shows there is fraud and corruption. Legitimate and thorough investigations need to be made--and have not been. Having controlling Democrats and RINO's in various offices claim that they have investigated is laughable, and means nothing. All of America and even people around the world know that the 2020 elections have been an absolute corrupt mess. Justice needs to prevail. No one gives a fuck if some jello-filled Marxists believe that Biden won and the election was fine--75 million Americans think they are full of shit and corrupt as fuck. Oh, that's right, why might that be? Again, review what the cock-sucking Democrats have done over the last four years, hand in hand with a corrupt, lying media. Review how Biden hardly campaigned at all. Review how several state's Governors, Attorney Generals, and Secretary of States have violated their own constitution and changed election laws and procedures in entirely unconstitutional manner. Review how 5 or six of the battleground states all stopped voting at approximately the same time in the late night--when Trump was ahead by large margins--and then in the morning, somehow Biden had won. Think about the cacophony of all of these media outlets and politicians braying for people to shut up, sit down, there's no fraud! Nothing to see here! Then, look at absolute censorship and tyranny breaking out in society and online--with people being censored, banned, and shut down because they don't swallow down the cock-sucking Marxist narrative.

Fucking Marxists need to be resisted. If the President of the United States can be censored, what does that mean for anyone else? Marxism, tyranny, censorship and oppression is right here, right now, and rushing America stronger by the day.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
You are a delusional idiot. Everything you posted is pure crap propaganda and lies.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: sureshot on January 11, 2021, 08:42:06 AM
Ahhh...the old 'terrorism is ok as long as I agree with their political motives' defense.

Big time

It's pretty much the excuse many on of my friends and those I follow on Facebook used to "chastise" me so to speak when I called the Left publicly out on the platform. It's all well and good for Burn, Loot and Murder as well as Thugtifa to do the same as the protesters because it follows their narratives and political beliefs. The Left has lost the moral high ground completely. I am against that kind of violence from both sides don't try and con me into thinking one side is right because it's the favored site because of reasons and feelzs and nothing else. In any case most of them have proven to me to be armchair rioters and terrorists. If both of the groups went and attacked them or their businesses they would shit their pants and run away while also crying out for the police. Who many also want and still want defunded.   
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 11, 2021, 08:57:39 AM
Greetings!

The preponderance of evidence shows there is fraud and corruption. Legitimate and thorough investigations need to be made--and have not been. Having controlling Democrats and RINO's in various offices claim that they have investigated is laughable, and means nothing. All of America and even people around the world know that the 2020 elections have been an absolute corrupt mess. Justice needs to prevail. No one gives a fuck if some jello-filled Marxists believe that Biden won and the election was fine--75 million Americans think they are full of shit and corrupt as fuck. Oh, that's right, why might that be? Again, review what the cock-sucking Democrats have done over the last four years, hand in hand with a corrupt, lying media. Review how Biden hardly campaigned at all. Review how several state's Governors, Attorney Generals, and Secretary of States have violated their own constitution and changed election laws and procedures in entirely unconstitutional manner. Review how 5 or six of the battleground states all stopped voting at approximately the same time in the late night--when Trump was ahead by large margins--and then in the morning, somehow Biden had won. Think about the cacophony of all of these media outlets and politicians braying for people to shut up, sit down, there's no fraud! Nothing to see here! Then, look at absolute censorship and tyranny breaking out in society and online--with people being censored, banned, and shut down because they don't swallow down the cock-sucking Marxist narrative.

Fucking Marxists need to be resisted. If the President of the United States can be censored, what does that mean for anyone else? Marxism, tyranny, censorship and oppression is right here, right now, and rushing America stronger by the day.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
You are a delusional idiot. Everything you posted is pure crap propaganda and lies.

Greetings!

Keep on Reeing like the wormy fuckstick you are. Everything I said is truth.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 11, 2021, 09:01:10 AM
BLM riots = doubleplusgood
Trump "riot" = doubleplusbad

Civil war and/or national collapse has been earned mightily.

Correct.

And these double standard are precisely how the dominant society has always treated the undesired marginalized groups throughout history, by the way.

Rosa Parks got famous cuz she wouldn't go to the back of the bus, like she was supposed to. How dare she even sit in the front? Right now, there are THOUSANDS of Trump supporters and wrong thinkers being purged from social media. Alternatives to those sites are also being purged as well. People are even talking about denying Trump and his supporters BANKING services and removing them from the economy. There is NOWHERE to go. Trump supporters and people who don't agree with the establishment aren't being told that they need to go to the back of the bus. They're being told they don't have a right to even be in one.

And as much as the ignorant credulous idiots would like to see social media and the internet as this frivolous, optional thing that didn't even exist a couple decades ago, neither did cars (or busses) at one point. And the internet is the greatest, most powerful invention and communications tool in the entire span of human history. Right now there are people from all over the world posting near-instant messages right on this very forum. People from across the globe are doing lifestreams and having life discussions in real time for thousands of people across the planet. Businesses are still flourishing even throughout the lockdowns if they were smart enough and able to develop some type of online presence were they could sell their goods and services, which they can sell, not only to those within walking or driving distance of their business establishment, but to anyone in the entire world. Entire elections have been decided for decades, going back to Obama, by social media presence, advertisement and engagement. The internet is the future and we're living in the Information Age. If you don't have access to it you mean NOTHING.

I know that some Trump supporters may not like to hear this word or apply it to themselves given how SJWs have completely wipe their butts with it, and that people have been conditioned to believe that it can only ever apply to certain groups or races in society (particularly in the US)--never to "white people", but Trump supporters are being OPPRESSED in the literal meaning of the word. They're being treated as second class fucking subhumans cuz they had the audacity to rise up and voice their concerns, and are being denied the right to ever voice their grievances or participate in the political process in any meaningful way, or even participate in the online economy in the information era, while their political opposition gets to keep theirs.

But what's important to remember is that the storming of the Capitol was the worse attack in US history...cuz it was the wrong people doing it.

And how dare they?

Greetings!

Damn straight, Visionstorm! Censorship, tyranny and oppression is right here in our face. Marxists are just fine with oppressing patriots. They hate America, they hate Conservatives, and they hate President Trump.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 11, 2021, 09:01:27 AM
Remember how I remarked on the curiousity of John Earle Sullivan being present in DC on 1/6?

Seems he was doing a bit more than just filming.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/1/7/22219733/utah-activist-inside-u-s-capitol-says-woman-killed-was-first-to-try-and-enter-house-chamber-sullivan

So does he get a pass, because he has 'the right politics'?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 11, 2021, 09:20:11 AM
Remember how I remarked on the curiousity of John Earle Sullivan being present in DC on 1/6?

Seems he was doing a bit more than just filming.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/1/7/22219733/utah-activist-inside-u-s-capitol-says-woman-killed-was-first-to-try-and-enter-house-chamber-sullivan

So does he get a pass, because he has 'the right politics'?

Greetings!

That's right, Ghostmaker. Very suspicious. He's a member of ANTIFA. The FBI can make all the claims they want that they don't think ANTIFA members or BLM were at the rally all they want. Like we can believe anything the fucking FBI says? They've been compromised and subverted. I have heard many people saying that ANTIFA were present. Hell, lots and lots of people--long before the rally and protest event occurred--like weeks beforehand, were discussing intelligence that ANTIFA had plans to infiltrate the rally, and seek to cause problems.

Then, I have also seen live video where hundreds of people are chanting, "NO ANTIFA! NO ANTIFA!" and "DON'T BREAK THE WINDOWS!" Yeah, MAGA patriots there, encouraging everyone to remain peaceful and non-violent. But of course, you won't see or hear any of that from CNN and all these cock-sucking Marxists that hate America.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 11, 2021, 09:25:10 AM
Greetings!

The preponderance of evidence shows there is fraud and corruption. Legitimate and thorough investigations need to be made--and have not been. Having controlling Democrats and RINO's in various offices claim that they have investigated is laughable, and means nothing. All of America and even people around the world know that the 2020 elections have been an absolute corrupt mess. Justice needs to prevail. No one gives a fuck if some jello-filled Marxists believe that Biden won and the election was fine--75 million Americans think they are full of shit and corrupt as fuck. Oh, that's right, why might that be? Again, review what the cock-sucking Democrats have done over the last four years, hand in hand with a corrupt, lying media. Review how Biden hardly campaigned at all. Review how several state's Governors, Attorney Generals, and Secretary of States have violated their own constitution and changed election laws and procedures in entirely unconstitutional manner. Review how 5 or six of the battleground states all stopped voting at approximately the same time in the late night--when Trump was ahead by large margins--and then in the morning, somehow Biden had won. Think about the cacophony of all of these media outlets and politicians braying for people to shut up, sit down, there's no fraud! Nothing to see here! Then, look at absolute censorship and tyranny breaking out in society and online--with people being censored, banned, and shut down because they don't swallow down the cock-sucking Marxist narrative.

Fucking Marxists need to be resisted. If the President of the United States can be censored, what does that mean for anyone else? Marxism, tyranny, censorship and oppression is right here, right now, and rushing America stronger by the day.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
You are a delusional idiot. Everything you posted is pure crap propaganda and lies.

Greetings!

Keep on Reeing like the wormy fuckstick you are. Everything I said is truth.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
You're the idiot going off like a violence-loving proponent of flat Earth theories. The nonsense you're peddling has stood up just as well as that load of bullshit. But you just keep on braying like the traitorous dumb ass you've proven yourself to be.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 11, 2021, 10:11:39 AM
Greetings!

The preponderance of evidence shows there is fraud and corruption. Legitimate and thorough investigations need to be made--and have not been. Having controlling Democrats and RINO's in various offices claim that they have investigated is laughable, and means nothing. All of America and even people around the world know that the 2020 elections have been an absolute corrupt mess. Justice needs to prevail. No one gives a fuck if some jello-filled Marxists believe that Biden won and the election was fine--75 million Americans think they are full of shit and corrupt as fuck. Oh, that's right, why might that be? Again, review what the cock-sucking Democrats have done over the last four years, hand in hand with a corrupt, lying media. Review how Biden hardly campaigned at all. Review how several state's Governors, Attorney Generals, and Secretary of States have violated their own constitution and changed election laws and procedures in entirely unconstitutional manner. Review how 5 or six of the battleground states all stopped voting at approximately the same time in the late night--when Trump was ahead by large margins--and then in the morning, somehow Biden had won. Think about the cacophony of all of these media outlets and politicians braying for people to shut up, sit down, there's no fraud! Nothing to see here! Then, look at absolute censorship and tyranny breaking out in society and online--with people being censored, banned, and shut down because they don't swallow down the cock-sucking Marxist narrative.

Fucking Marxists need to be resisted. If the President of the United States can be censored, what does that mean for anyone else? Marxism, tyranny, censorship and oppression is right here, right now, and rushing America stronger by the day.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
You are a delusional idiot. Everything you posted is pure crap propaganda and lies.

Greetings!

Keep on Reeing like the wormy fuckstick you are. Everything I said is truth.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
You're the idiot going off like a violence-loving proponent of flat Earth theories. The nonsense you're peddling has stood up just as well as that load of bullshit. But you just keep on braying like the traitorous dumb ass you've proven yourself to be.

Greetings!

Everything I mentioned in the post is TRUTH. Senators, Congress people, numerous witnesses and analysts all support what I have said. Millions and millions of patriotic Americans also want real investigations done. For the last four years, the Democrats and the MSM have done nothing but spew absolute hateful propaganda and lies. You are in denial, you are blind, and delusional.

I haven't shown myself to be a traitor to anything, fucking moron. I support America, our Constitution, and President Trump. I have also carried a rifle and defended my country. I have not just *talked* about supporting America--I've done it, you wormy, pathetic fuck. I have jumped out of helicopters for this country, and put my ass on the wall, serving America.

Get fucked.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 11, 2021, 10:13:13 AM
Greetings!

Here is a beautiful and inspiring video.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 11, 2021, 10:23:43 AM
Hey guys, remember back when dissent was patriotic, up to and including subverting the President's perogatives on foreign policy, full on invasions of capitol buildings in protest of a SCOTUS nomination, and technical violations of the Boland and Logan Acts?

Pepperidge Farms remembers. And so do I.

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: tenbones on January 11, 2021, 10:53:34 AM
Cumulus Media just put a gag on all conservative talk-show hosts about election fraud discussion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/cumulus-radio-conservative-election-fraud/2021/01/11/e12ec46e-537c-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html

That includes Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and pretty much most of the 'Right' leaning talk-show personalities. Straight up ultimatum that if they say anything about election fraud they will be terminated immediately.

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 11, 2021, 11:04:32 AM
Greetings!

The preponderance of evidence shows there is fraud and corruption. Legitimate and thorough investigations need to be made--and have not been. Having controlling Democrats and RINO's in various offices claim that they have investigated is laughable, and means nothing. All of America and even people around the world know that the 2020 elections have been an absolute corrupt mess. Justice needs to prevail. No one gives a fuck if some jello-filled Marxists believe that Biden won and the election was fine--75 million Americans think they are full of shit and corrupt as fuck. Oh, that's right, why might that be? Again, review what the cock-sucking Democrats have done over the last four years, hand in hand with a corrupt, lying media. Review how Biden hardly campaigned at all. Review how several state's Governors, Attorney Generals, and Secretary of States have violated their own constitution and changed election laws and procedures in entirely unconstitutional manner. Review how 5 or six of the battleground states all stopped voting at approximately the same time in the late night--when Trump was ahead by large margins--and then in the morning, somehow Biden had won. Think about the cacophony of all of these media outlets and politicians braying for people to shut up, sit down, there's no fraud! Nothing to see here! Then, look at absolute censorship and tyranny breaking out in society and online--with people being censored, banned, and shut down because they don't swallow down the cock-sucking Marxist narrative.

Fucking Marxists need to be resisted. If the President of the United States can be censored, what does that mean for anyone else? Marxism, tyranny, censorship and oppression is right here, right now, and rushing America stronger by the day.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
You are a delusional idiot. Everything you posted is pure crap propaganda and lies.

Greetings!

Keep on Reeing like the wormy fuckstick you are. Everything I said is truth.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
You're the idiot going off like a violence-loving proponent of flat Earth theories. The nonsense you're peddling has stood up just as well as that load of bullshit. But you just keep on braying like the traitorous dumb ass you've proven yourself to be.

Greetings!

Everything I mentioned in the post is TRUTH. Senators, Congress people, numerous witnesses and analysts all support what I have said. Millions and millions of patriotic Americans also want real investigations done. For the last four years, the Democrats and the MSM have done nothing but spew absolute hateful propaganda and lies. You are in denial, you are blind, and delusional.

I haven't shown myself to be a traitor to anything, fucking moron. I support America, our Constitution, and President Trump. I have also carried a rifle and defended my country. I have not just *talked* about supporting America--I've done it, you wormy, pathetic fuck. I have jumped out of helicopters for this country, and put my ass on the wall, serving America.

Get fucked.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
And you've betrayed all of that to follow a pack of lying liars that endorse violence against Americans and attacks against America. Are you really so stupid? Oh well, at least you're all talk now, right?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 11, 2021, 11:08:21 AM
Cumulus Media just put a gag on all conservative talk-show hosts about election fraud discussion.

https://archive.vn/0rEEi

That includes Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and pretty much most of the 'Right' leaning talk-show personalities. Straight up ultimatum that if they say anything about election fraud they will be terminated immediately.
Your link didn't work for me, but I found this:
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/talk-radio-owner-threatens-to-fire-hosts-who-dispute-election-results/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/news/talk-radio-owner-threatens-to-fire-hosts-who-dispute-election-results/)
Apparently it happened a little earlier than the Parler thing.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: tenbones on January 11, 2021, 11:15:02 AM
you know, I don't know why this is so difficult to simple take everyone at their word.

If you look at the Democrat leadership - they've been saying what they want to do for years. And they've proven to be willing to do anything outside whatever has been established as rules (because Republican establishment are morons for many reasons that have to do with them being as corrupt as Democrats but are shy about being open about it).

There has *never* been a time better to do all the things they want and established single-party rule than right now. But they gotta lock some things in.

Easy things they could do for themselves -

1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.

2) Amnesty. This should be a surprise to *no one*.

Big ticket things like Single-Payor, Green New Deal and shit like that would collapse the economy, so that would be a virtual guaranteed civil-unrest scenario (which may happen regardless).

But I hear all the current rhetoric of going after the NRA/2a, and all this censorship stuff - to me is strategically retarded. They would earn *nothing* in the system they pretend they want to overhaul but guaranteed insurgency going after those things when they could be locking up bigger things for themselves.

Either way, it's going to go down bad. There is no way the Democrat policy platform is digging out of this gaping hole in the Covid lockdown economy. Biden is already committing himself by his own words, to spending (printing) another trillion-dollars for "relief" - which means money for his donors, and foreign friends.

And let's face it, a trillion-more on the fire ain't gonna help anyone. And while bitcoin seems lucrative right now, the reality is if the Great Reset becomes a thing, there is no way they can allow any crypto-currency to exist outside of their control. So ride that wave while you can.

Or go full dwarven and go gold and silver (silver is particularly good right now).

The elites of both these parties are incompetent clowns. History has shown us all many many times that when the buffoonery at the top gets this dense, the only Great Reset that happens is the nasty kind. And always at our expense.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: tenbones on January 11, 2021, 11:16:43 AM
Cumulus Media just put a gag on all conservative talk-show hosts about election fraud discussion.

https://archive.vn/0rEEi

That includes Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and pretty much most of the 'Right' leaning talk-show personalities. Straight up ultimatum that if they say anything about election fraud they will be terminated immediately.
Your link didn't work for me, but I found this:
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/talk-radio-owner-threatens-to-fire-hosts-who-dispute-election-results/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/news/talk-radio-owner-threatens-to-fire-hosts-who-dispute-election-results/)
Apparently it happened a little earlier than the Parler thing.

I put the original link. Yep same story.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 11, 2021, 11:17:08 AM
Trump protests have also been mixed and mostly good, but specifically storming the Capitol was worse than any single BLM event.

Kinda hard to "storm the Capitol" when the guards open the doors for you.

It seems to me that they are making the effort.




I'd say: as far as actions done (leaving aside the cause), the various BLM protests and riots were mixed with some good and some bad (violent/non-violent). Trump protests have also been mixed and mostly good, but specifically storming the Capitol was worse than any single BLM event.
Ahhh...the old 'terrorism is ok as long as I agree with their political motives' defense.
Big time

It's pretty much the excuse many on of my friends and those I follow on Facebook used to "chastise" me so to speak when I called the Left publicly out on the platform. It's all well and good for Burn, Loot and Murder as well as Thugtifa to do the same as the protesters because it follows their narratives and political beliefs.

I don't get how you read that from what I wrote. Terrorism is not OK in any case - and I am saying that violent BLM activities are wrong. Peaceful Trump demonstrations are good, and peaceful BLM demonstrations are good. If you think that there was a single BLM event that was worse than the Capitol storming, then specify it, and we can compare.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: tenbones on January 11, 2021, 11:25:55 AM
Does it matter?

Seriously - the only thing going on here is one side wants to use State power to destroy the other sides rioters/protestors.

You *do* realize that each side hates one another ideologically? And what that really spells as they draw state-power to enact their ideolgy?

But compare riots sounds like fun. But it also sounds a bit like building sandcastles as the high-tide comes in. (or tsunami if you prefer)
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 11, 2021, 11:32:38 AM
But I hear all the current rhetoric of going after the NRA/2a, and all this censorship stuff - to me is strategically retarded. They would earn *nothing* in the system they pretend they want to overhaul but guaranteed insurgency going after those things when they could be locking up bigger things for themselves.
Part of that has to do with the NRA's current woes (mostly self inflicted, thanks LaPierre). For a -long- time, despite its flaws, the NRA was the 800 lb tank in the political arena, and it's caused the Dems numerous stomachaches. The chance to gut a long-standing enemy voting bloc is very attractive.

Of course, it hasn't dawned on them that there are other orgs who will happily pick up NRA members (SAF, GOA). Or that even if you kill the org, the members don't go away.

But the chance to disarm Americans and limit their ability to screw with their shenanigans is too much to pass up, I suppose.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: tenbones on January 11, 2021, 12:23:30 PM
I don't see the "opportunity" here.

NRA is just the big canary in the coal-mine. The people that lawfully own firearms are not going to all surreptitiously give up their arms. It's not going to happen. This is not the means to secure ones position, at least bureaucratically.

If they make this their first order of business - while everyone is red-hot, it would be complete folly. But I maintain that's likely what will happen because the elites in both parties have long overdosed on sniffing their own farts and drinking their own urine, and believing their own hype. And of course as the noble-class tends to do - they underestimate their situation like dogs chasing cars that actually have bitten the bumper.

Now what? Yeah, dummies, you're going for a drag.



Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 11, 2021, 01:00:44 PM
Me for half a decade now...



Also, we're slinking into a new kind of technocratic neo-fascism. Welcome to Cyberpunk.

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 11, 2021, 01:24:19 PM
1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.

I wonder what would actually happen if Puerto Rico became a state. I know that people often think that we'd all vote Democrat, and that may well be the case, since we've been conditioned for decades to be dependent on the US and the Democratic party is the cornerstone for that dependency, and we've also been conditioned to believe that the US, and the Republican party in particular, is full of racists who would never accept us. But there's also a strong Christian social conservative contingent in the island, and they've been blocking progressive policies for decades. We haven't had any LGBT courses taught in schools here because the social conservative types keep blocking any efforts to institute them into the curriculum (which I have mixed feelings about, since I'm pro-LGBT, but anti-woke nonsense that get taught in those courses). I don't like them very much, since I've never been conservative and haven't been Christian for most of my life, and the idea makes me uncomfortable, but I wonder if the island can be flipped away from the Democratic party by appealing to the Christian social conservative side.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Mistwell on January 11, 2021, 01:25:01 PM
January 6th will live in infamy because it was the Unveiling. The unbelievably and grotesquely obvious election fraud is the ultimate litmus test - do you stand by the theft of a Presidential election or not? And we got the answers.

NOW everyone knows who are the Patriots vs. the Traitors, and no Republican voter can make believe their party leadership stands for anything remotely American. No Democrat can pretend they have the slightest integrity. It's ONLY about a power grab and subjugation of wrongthinkers.

1/6 was the axe that divides America forever. Everyone knows where they stand - and THAT is powerful.

All that's left is the divorce or the slaughter.


Trump protests have also been mixed and mostly good, but specifically storming the Capitol was worse than any single BLM event.

Kinda hard to "storm the Capitol" when the guards open the doors for you.

And its a shame you don't have a business I can loot and burn down "for racial justice" so you can tell me how Trump's protest was so much worse than any BLM event.


And how many cops will they murder next time?

All of them? That's how an actual coup works in the real world.

But why would cops even be there under Dementia JoJo? I thought we had to Defund the Police and replace them with social workers?

You are so deeply out of touch these days:

(https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2021/01/capitol-attack-support-1024x675.png)


By the way, even among those who do not trust the election results, most still do not support what happened with the raid on the Capital. 35 percent of Americans don’t trust the election results. But only 8% support what happened at the Capital.

Yes, battle lines were drawn, and you chose the losing side. Like not even a question anymore, you're the loser in the room on this topic if you could only get 8% of America to side with your view. You can usually get more than 8% of America to side with ANY view. Make up any claim and poll on it and you can usually squeeze out more than 8% support on even the craziest position. That's how badly you lost this one.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: moonsweeper on January 11, 2021, 01:49:35 PM
Aaaaannnnd... Parler's gone.

As of a little after 3 am (EST), apparently. It was hosted on Amazon (their cloud-based webservice AWS, most likely), and they suspended the service "after finding 98 posts that supported violence".

https://www.newsweek.com/parler-users-say-goodbyes-site-taken-down-1560428

We're living in crazy times.

Parler was already planning for that.  Their CEO (I believe, don't have time to track down the article) talked about it early yesterday or late Saturday and said they were already planning an alternative.

I am now officially getting worried.

They keep saying 'build your own', then they flout the law to prevent it...
Add in the establishment, pushing the throttle to the floor to raise the tension...


But I hear all the current rhetoric of going after the NRA/2a, and all this censorship stuff - to me is strategically retarded. They would earn *nothing* in the system they pretend they want to overhaul but guaranteed insurgency going after those things when they could be locking up bigger things for themselves.

If the American elite had actual wisdom, they would try to defuse this any way they could, deescalate, and offer an olive branch; hell, they would never have overreached. Trump and his movement would have faded; scandals would have tarnished his image for a few decades (before getting reappraised as an ultimately decent president hamstrung by a scheming bureaucracy), and a lighter version of his brand could have been assimilated into the political class, by someone like President Tucker, or one of the smarter young Republicans. Instead, they just turned the heat to from "frog-boiling" to the max, because they are afraid, and drunk with visions of revenge. This is how weak, scared men consolidate their rule, and create a myriad grievances.

Back Trump and US conservatives into a corner; create a pressure cooker atmosphere, and tear down their illusions of being invested in the system and in control of their own destiny - where every bankrupted small businessman would still have a fanatical belief in the free market and the cops and the courts. Expose these guys to the previously fringe idea that the state is in the hands of aliens who want them gone, and "these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it's funny".


I think they are trying to push for an 'event'.  2016 scared the ever-living fuck out of the uniparty establishment.  Remember...

1. No matter what anyone says about 'proof' of election fraud, the statistical analysis is showing massive circumstantial evidence. 

2. No one on Biden's side has questioned the validity of Trump's vote count.

The backlash against Obamacare/Bailouts with the Tea Party and others surprised them.  Suppose they 'did' rig this election.  They now have everything they want legally, but they know the people are actually opposed to it.

Add in the fact that DJT (The super-waaaciissst) managed to get more minority support than any other Republican.  If they can force something, while they have all the reins of power they think they can prevent a 2022 backlash.

Think of all the double-standards from the DOJ/Court system and the media.  All the two-tier stuff is out in the open now.  Just because a portion of the population believes that is ok because it suits their agenda, don't believe what the  media says.  There is a significant resistance to the whole establishment 'do what I say, not what I do' narrative.

Talk to somebody in a militia, if you know anyone.  They will tell you that over the last ten years, the number of people talking on a personal level about armed opposition to the government has increased dramatically.  There is also a significant rise in the distrust of law enforcement.  For the last 4 years I have had friends from all over the political spectrum saying 'Man, you were right about the FBI'.  That may anecdotal, but I will trust it because a number of those friends weren't Trump supporters and I have been saying it for 30+ years.  When people I know change their outlook after 30 years, I am going to pay attention to why.

They also need to go now (while they have complete control) because of the firepower situation.  Note that in the article that jhkim linked a while back, the FBI classifies anti-government groups, incels, and 'religious groups' as all being 'right-wing'.  Then uses that as an excuse to claim that the 'right-wing' is the "Big Threat".  They are doing that to prepare the public for them using the military for intervention.  They have no choice, because even Federal law enforcement is extremely outgunned and they know it.

Note: Its not the conservatives/Republicans they have to worry about...
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: moonsweeper on January 11, 2021, 01:52:50 PM

I don't get how you read that from what I wrote. Terrorism is not OK in any case - and I am saying that violent BLM activities are wrong. Peaceful Trump demonstrations are good, and peaceful BLM demonstrations are good. If you think that there was a single BLM event that was worse than the Capitol storming, then specify it, and we can compare.

Go ahead and look up the USC legal definition of 'terrorism' then get back to me.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 02:46:56 PM
The protestors at the Capital building are a good example--more will come.

And how many cops will they murder next time?

At the moment the Cops lead Cops: 1, White protesters: 0

How knows what will happen next time?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 11, 2021, 02:47:13 PM
Remember...

1. No matter what anyone says about 'proof' of election fraud, the statistical analysis is showing massive circumstantial evidence. 

2. No one on Biden's side has questioned the validity of Trump's vote count.

The backlash against Obamacare/Bailouts with the Tea Party and others surprised them.  Suppose they 'did' rig this election.  They now have everything they want legally, but they know the people are actually opposed to it.

What statistical analysis are you referring to? In the other thread, I tried to read and discuss a bunch of the statistical claims, but most failed to show their sources or explain their analysis. The statistical claims that I'm most familiar with from the previous thread are three of the court case testimonies:

1) Navid Keshavarz-Nia (ref) (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf)
2) Russell James Ramsland (ref) (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.283580/gov.uscourts.gand.283580.7.1_2.pdf)
3) Charles J. Cicchetti (ref) (https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163048/20201208132827887_TX-v-State-ExpedMot%202020-12-07%20FINAL.pdf) (see page 20)

The first two don't explain themselves well and have blatant errors. Keshavarz-Nia cites data from the non-existent Edison County, MI. Ramsland cites a list of Precinct Townships in Michigan that do not exist - Benville, Monticello, etc. One can dig further into problems with these, but I think the non-existent places already tosses out their reliability. The links above show the actual testimony, and you can easily confirm for yourself that the places do not exist as stated.

Cicchetti does a better job of explaining how he gets his data, and the tests that he is doing on them. But the assumptions behind the analysis are openly flawed. He assumes that there is no change between the 2016 vote for Clinton and the 2020 vote for Biden, and then analyzes to find that they're different. That shows nothing. In his second analysis, he compares early to late results assuming that they will be identical, but there is no reason for that assumption.

It's been demonstrated by lots of polls that Democrats have been more concerned over covid-19 than Republicans, and more likely to vote by mail. So it should be expected that vote-by-mail will favor Democrats more than Republicans compared to vote-in-person.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 02:48:32 PM
And you've betrayed all of that to follow a pack of lying liars that endorse violence against Americans and attacks against America. Are you really so stupid? Oh well, at least you're all talk now, right?

You can not be a traitor for fighting American enemies both foreign and domestic.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 02:52:26 PM
I don't get how you read that from what I wrote. Terrorism is not OK in any case - and I am saying that violent BLM activities are wrong. Peaceful Trump demonstrations are good, and peaceful BLM demonstrations are good. If you think that there was a single BLM event that was worse than the Capitol storming, then specify it, and we can compare.

Which bit was the Terroism bit?

Was it when the Protestors were shot?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 11, 2021, 03:08:29 PM
I don't get how you read that from what I wrote. Terrorism is not OK in any case - and I am saying that violent BLM activities are wrong. Peaceful Trump demonstrations are good, and peaceful BLM demonstrations are good. If you think that there was a single BLM event that was worse than the Capitol storming, then specify it, and we can compare.

Which bit was the Terroism bit?

Was it when the Protestors were shot?

I think you're mixing up quotes here. moonsweeper was the one who brought up terrorism. I didn't make any claim about terrorism except to say that it is bad -- because moonsweeper accused me of saying that terrorism is OK.

I haven't made any claim about someone being a terrorist, and I feel like moonsweeper's bringing it up was a distraction - that apparently worked.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: tenbones on January 11, 2021, 03:43:22 PM
1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.

I wonder what would actually happen if Puerto Rico became a state. I know that people often think that we'd all vote Democrat, and that may well be the case, since we've been conditioned for decades to be dependent on the US and the Democratic party is the cornerstone for that dependency, and we've also been conditioned to believe that the US, and the Republican party in particular, is full of racists who would never accept us. But there's also a strong Christian social conservative contingent in the island, and they've been blocking progressive policies for decades. We haven't had any LGBT courses taught in schools here because the social conservative types keep blocking any efforts to institute them into the curriculum (which I have mixed feelings about, since I'm pro-LGBT, but anti-woke nonsense that get taught in those courses). I don't like them very much, since I've never been conservative and haven't been Christian for most of my life, and the idea makes me uncomfortable, but I wonder if the island can be flipped away from the Democratic party by appealing to the Christian social conservative side.

This is a salient point. But given the sheer willingness for the Democrat party to do "whatever it takes" to secure support for their cause, I'm pretty confident they can buy off whomever it takes to secure Puerto Rico at the legislative bureaucratic level. Like they did here.

I'm perfectly willing to go with you in terms of the populist sentiment. But we both know the problem here isn't with the people... and that window may have closed on all of us that don't prescribe to the current Purity Test standards of the day.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 04:04:47 PM
I don't get how you read that from what I wrote. Terrorism is not OK in any case - and I am saying that violent BLM activities are wrong. Peaceful Trump demonstrations are good, and peaceful BLM demonstrations are good. If you think that there was a single BLM event that was worse than the Capitol storming, then specify it, and we can compare.

Which bit was the Terroism bit?

Was it when the Protestors were shot?

I think you're mixing up quotes here. moonsweeper was the one who brought up terrorism. I didn't make any claim about terrorism except to say that it is bad -- because moonsweeper accused me of saying that terrorism is OK.

I haven't made any claim about someone being a terrorist, and I feel like moonsweeper's bringing it up was a distraction - that apparently worked.

So you disavow the statements made by Biden?

Thats a good start.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 11, 2021, 04:08:51 PM

This is a salient point. But given the sheer willingness for the Democrat party to do "whatever it takes" to secure support for their cause, I'm pretty confident they can buy off whomever it takes to secure Puerto Rico at the legislative bureaucratic level. Like they did here.

I'm perfectly willing to go with you in terms of the populist sentiment. But we both know the problem here isn't with the people... and that window may have closed on all of us that don't prescribe to the current Purity Test standards of the day.
Oh great, guess we can look forward to a resurgence of the FALN. Just what we need, especially since that jug-eared dolt Obama let their head honcho out before he left office.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 11, 2021, 04:22:56 PM
The protestors at the Capital building are a good example--more will come.

And how many cops will they murder next time?

At the moment the Cops lead Cops: 1, White protesters: 0

How knows what will happen next time?

Greetings!

Yeah, Shasarak, it unfortunately isn't looking good. As Spinachcat explained, we seem to be heading for either Civil War or National Collapse. The more censorship, tyranny, and oppression pushed by Big Tech, the MSM, and the Democrats just is not going to end well. Thousands of Conservatives, besides President Trump, have been censored now from the internet. The MSM is in such a hysterical propaganda mode, it is unbelievable how virtually every report or opinion they write, every interview, whatever, is just more dressed up propaganda designed to support the Marxist Democrat narrative. Then you have the fucking Democrats making "Lists", making demands for resignations of opposition Republican leaders, and essentially declaring Trump supporters to be "Domestic Terrorists". It is all absolutely insane and monstrously evil, but all of the cock-sucking Democrats and RINO cucks think all of these things are just great. It is mind-boggling.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 11, 2021, 04:23:11 PM
Greetings!

It would be very interesting if President Trump signs the Insurrection Act and Nancy Polosi and others are arrested for Sedition and Treason.

Twitter, Google, all of them could be seized and confiscated by the government. Imagine how all of the Marxists would be REEEing.

So many corrupt politicians and bureaucrats in Washington. They need to be cleaned out.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
That sounds just as horrible. Totalitarian measures are never a good idea.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 11, 2021, 04:31:04 PM
But what's important to remember is that the storming of the Capitol was the worse attack in US history...cuz it was the wrong people doing it.

And how dare they?
The vehemence of the reaction to the ruckus in the Capitol seems to be personal. Pelosi is furious because it's her house, and some dirty peasant put his feet up on her desk. Same with Schumer, McConnell, and so on.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 11, 2021, 04:32:50 PM
Greetings!

It would be very interesting if President Trump signs the Insurrection Act and Nancy Polosi and others are arrested for Sedition and Treason.

Twitter, Google, all of them could be seized and confiscated by the government. Imagine how all of the Marxists would be REEEing.

So many corrupt politicians and bureaucrats in Washington. They need to be cleaned out.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
That sounds just as horrible. Totalitarian measures are never a good idea.

Greetings!

America is heading down a terrible road. The Democrats are embracing tyranny, censorship, and oppression as we speak, and Biden hasn't even been inaugurated yet. I imagine that more tyranny and oppression will soon be coming down the pipe.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 04:34:07 PM
It would be very interesting if President Trump signs the Insurrection Act and Nancy Polosi and others are arrested for Sedition and Treason.

Twitter, Google, all of them could be seized and confiscated by the government. Imagine how all of the Marxists would be REEEing.

So many corrupt politicians and bureaucrats in Washington. They need to be cleaned out.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I was watching Viva Frei last night and Robert Barnes explained that if Trump had signed the Insurrection Act then the Democrats would have immediately used it against him.

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: moonsweeper on January 11, 2021, 05:02:55 PM
Remember...

1. No matter what anyone says about 'proof' of election fraud, the statistical analysis is showing massive circumstantial evidence. 

2. No one on Biden's side has questioned the validity of Trump's vote count.

The backlash against Obamacare/Bailouts with the Tea Party and others surprised them.  Suppose they 'did' rig this election.  They now have everything they want legally, but they know the people are actually opposed to it.

What statistical analysis are you referring to? In the other thread, I tried to read and discuss a bunch of the statistical claims, but most failed to show their sources or explain their analysis. The statistical claims that I'm most familiar with from the previous thread are three of the court case testimonies:

1) Navid Keshavarz-Nia (ref) (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf)
2) Russell James Ramsland (ref) (https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.283580/gov.uscourts.gand.283580.7.1_2.pdf)
3) Charles J. Cicchetti (ref) (https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163048/20201208132827887_TX-v-State-ExpedMot%202020-12-07%20FINAL.pdf) (see page 20)

The first two don't explain themselves well and have blatant errors. Keshavarz-Nia cites data from the non-existent Edison County, MI. Ramsland cites a list of Precinct Townships in Michigan that do not exist - Benville, Monticello, etc. One can dig further into problems with these, but I think the non-existent places already tosses out their reliability. The links above show the actual testimony, and you can easily confirm for yourself that the places do not exist as stated.

Cicchetti does a better job of explaining how he gets his data, and the tests that he is doing on them. But the assumptions behind the analysis are openly flawed. He assumes that there is no change between the 2016 vote for Clinton and the 2020 vote for Biden, and then analyzes to find that they're different. That shows nothing. In his second analysis, he compares early to late results assuming that they will be identical, but there is no reason for that assumption.

You have a doctorate.  Ignore the 'court' documents and do an analysis of the data comparing across all of the swing states.  Then examine the historical data along the same axes.  You will find some glaring discrepancies that only happened in this election and only happened in the swing states that had the 'delayed' count and then went for Biden.  Ignore the 'fraud' accusations and actually look at all of the data...

It's been demonstrated by lots of polls that Democrats have been more concerned over covid-19 than Republicans, and more likely to vote by mail. So it should be expected that vote-by-mail will favor Democrats more than Republicans compared to vote-in-person.

I never said that the mail-in vote wouldn't favor D over R...All I said was that a statistical analysis shows some very interesting data points, especially if you understand how voter fraud actually works.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: moonsweeper on January 11, 2021, 05:16:03 PM
I don't get how you read that from what I wrote. Terrorism is not OK in any case - and I am saying that violent BLM activities are wrong. Peaceful Trump demonstrations are good, and peaceful BLM demonstrations are good. If you think that there was a single BLM event that was worse than the Capitol storming, then specify it, and we can compare.

Which bit was the Terroism bit?

Was it when the Protestors were shot?

I think you're mixing up quotes here. moonsweeper was the one who brought up terrorism. I didn't make any claim about terrorism except to say that it is bad -- because moonsweeper accused me of saying that terrorism is OK.

I haven't made any claim about someone being a terrorist, and I feel like moonsweeper's bringing it up was a distraction - that apparently worked.

Nope, no distraction...here is the quote I referenced (Bolding is mine for emphasis)

BLM riots = doubleplusgood
Trump "riot" = doubleplusbad

I'd say: as far as actions done (leaving aside the cause), the various BLM protests and riots were mixed with some good and some bad (violent/non-violent). Trump protests have also been mixed and mostly good, but specifically storming the Capitol was worse than any single BLM event.

The Kavanaugh protests were purely non-violent. That doesn't mean that the protesters were right - just that how they conducted their protest was good.

So go ahead then...enlighten us as to what makes 'Terrorism A' not as bad as 'Terrorism B.'
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 11, 2021, 05:34:33 PM
And you've betrayed all of that to follow a pack of lying liars that endorse violence against Americans and attacks against America. Are you really so stupid? Oh well, at least you're all talk now, right?

You can not be a traitor for fighting American enemies both foreign and domestic.
The soldier doesn't designate enemies; that's for the government the soldier is serving to do. And that is why SHARK is a traitor.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 05:50:08 PM
And you've betrayed all of that to follow a pack of lying liars that endorse violence against Americans and attacks against America. Are you really so stupid? Oh well, at least you're all talk now, right?

You can not be a traitor for fighting American enemies both foreign and domestic.
The soldier doesn't designate enemies; that's for the government the soldier is serving to do. And that is why SHARK is a traitor.

No, being a traitor is when someone like Nancy Pelosi tries to take control of the US Nuclear weapons.

George Washington never sat around waiting to find out what the government wanted him to do.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Elfdart on January 11, 2021, 05:50:15 PM
Greetings!

America is heading down a terrible road. The Democrats are embracing tyranny, censorship, and oppression as we speak, and Biden hasn't even been inaugurated yet. I imagine that more tyranny and oppression will soon be coming down the pipe.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Who just whipped up a mob of Nazis and sicced them on Capitol Hill, killing five (including a policeman)? Here's a hint: not the Democrats.

You are one dumb twat.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 11, 2021, 05:54:30 PM
What statistical analysis are you referring to? In the other thread, I tried to read and discuss a bunch of the statistical claims, but most failed to show their sources or explain their analysis. The statistical claims that I'm most familiar with from the previous thread are three of the court case testimonies:
...(specific fraud claims from court cases)...

You have a doctorate.  Ignore the 'court' documents and do an analysis of the data comparing across all of the swing states.  Then examine the historical data along the same axes.  You will find some glaring discrepancies that only happened in this election and only happened in the swing states that had the 'delayed' count and then went for Biden.  Ignore the 'fraud' accusations and actually look at all of the data...

Those are actual court documents from lawsuits by the President. I think they are reasonable sources to check. He's the President of the United States, and has hired people to look into this. I shouldn't have to do all my work from scratch. And I already spent a while in the other thread checking on a number of other claims, and all of the ones I looked into didn't show evidence of fraud.

If you believe that there is a particular discrepancy, then specify it and we can discuss it.


It's been demonstrated by lots of polls that Democrats have been more concerned over covid-19 than Republicans, and more likely to vote by mail. So it should be expected that vote-by-mail will favor Democrats more than Republicans compared to vote-in-person.

I never said that the mail-in vote wouldn't favor D over R...All I said was that a statistical analysis shows some very interesting data points, especially if you understand how voter fraud actually works.

If you have interesting data points, then show them. Why would you keep them a secret?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: tenbones on January 11, 2021, 05:58:26 PM
Looks like they just banned Ron Paul from Facebook.

FBI sent out a notice that their are armed protests being planned in all 50-states. I kinda call bullshit on this, it sounds like an invitation to a false-flag, but who knows.

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 11, 2021, 06:11:14 PM
And you've betrayed all of that to follow a pack of lying liars that endorse violence against Americans and attacks against America. Are you really so stupid? Oh well, at least you're all talk now, right?

You can not be a traitor for fighting American enemies both foreign and domestic.
The soldier doesn't designate enemies; that's for the government the soldier is serving to do. And that is why SHARK is a traitor.

You're talking about a country that was founded by a bunch of people telling the government to piss off and then shooting the government soldiers sent to stop them.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 06:35:07 PM
Greetings!

America is heading down a terrible road. The Democrats are embracing tyranny, censorship, and oppression as we speak, and Biden hasn't even been inaugurated yet. I imagine that more tyranny and oppression will soon be coming down the pipe.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Who just whipped up a mob of Nazis and sicced them on Capitol Hill, killing five (including a policeman)? Here's a hint: not the Democrats.

You are one dumb twat.

Meanwhile anti Nazi Democrat Andrew "Granny Killer" Cuomo is trying to legalize putting Jews into camps.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/a416
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Elfdart on January 11, 2021, 06:38:09 PM
Looks like they just banned Ron Paul from Facebook.

FBI sent out a notice that their are armed protests being planned in all 50-states. I kinda call bullshit on this, it sounds like an invitation to a false-flag, but who knows.

Have you ever heard the expression "shipping coal to Newscastle"? Why would the FBI, Antifa, BLM, or anyone else bother to fabricate fascists when there are so many out there already?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 11, 2021, 06:43:31 PM
Meanwhile anti Nazi Democrat Andrew "Granny Killer" Cuomo is trying to legalize putting Jews into camps.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/a416

This is a draft bill first introduced in 2015 by State Assembly member Nick Perry, who keeps reintroducing it each year. It has always failed to pass, and is not sponsored by Cuomo or any member of the State Senate. If you follow Shasarak's link, you can go see the 2015 version and how it keeps being reintroduced.

EDITED TO ADD: Also, there is nothing about Jews or camps in it.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Elfdart on January 11, 2021, 06:43:36 PM
Meanwhile anti Nazi Democrat Andrew "Granny Killer" Cuomo is trying to legalize putting Jews into camps.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/a416

Would you so kind as to quote the part of the bill about Jews being put into camps?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 07:05:18 PM
Meanwhile anti Nazi Democrat Andrew "Granny Killer" Cuomo is trying to legalize putting Jews into camps.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/a416

This is a draft bill first introduced in 2015 by State Assembly member Nick Perry, who keeps reintroducing it each year. It has always failed to pass, and is not sponsored by Cuomo or any member of the State Senate. If you follow Shasarak's link, you can go see the 2015 version and how it keeps being reintroduced.

EDITED TO ADD: Also, there is nothing about Jews or camps in it.

Quote
   2.  UPON  DETERMINING BY CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE THAT THE HEALTH
 OF OTHERS IS OR MAY BE ENDANGERED BY A  CASE,  CONTACT  OR  CARRIER,  OR
 SUSPECTED  CASE, CONTACT OR CARRIER OF A CONTAGIOUS DISEASE THAT, IN THE
 OPINION OF THE GOVERNOR, AFTER CONSULTATION WITH THE  COMMISSIONER,  MAY
 POSE  AN  IMMINENT AND SIGNIFICANT THREAT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH RESULTING
 IN SEVERE MORBIDITY OR HIGH MORTALITY, THE GOVERNOR OR HIS OR HER  DELE-
 GEE,  INCLUDING,  BUT  NOT  LIMITED  TO THE COMMISSIONER OR THE HEADS OF
 LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENTS, MAY ORDER THE REMOVAL AND/OR DETENTION OF SUCH
 A PERSON OR OF A GROUP OF SUCH PERSONS BY ISSUING A SINGLE ORDER,  IDEN-
 TIFYING  SUCH  PERSONS  EITHER  BY  NAME  OR  BY  A  REASONABLY SPECIFIC
 DESCRIPTION OF THE INDIVIDUALS OR GROUP BEING DETAINED. SUCH  PERSON  OR
 GROUP OF PERSONS SHALL BE DETAINED IN A MEDICAL FACILITY OR OTHER APPRO-
 PRIATE  FACILITY  OR  PREMISES  DESIGNATED BY THE GOVERNOR OR HIS OR HER
 DELEGEE AND COMPLYING WITH SUBDIVISION FIVE OF THIS SECTION.

You are right jhkim, it is not a camp, it is a medical facility, or other appropriate facility or premises designated by the Governor.

I am sure that the Jews will feel so much better knowing that they are in an appropriate premises and not a camp.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 07:09:36 PM
Meanwhile anti Nazi Democrat Andrew "Granny Killer" Cuomo is trying to legalize putting Jews into camps.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/a416

Would you so kind as to quote the part of the bill about Jews being put into camps?

Was my link broken?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 11, 2021, 07:12:57 PM
Meanwhile anti Nazi Democrat Andrew "Granny Killer" Cuomo is trying to legalize putting Jews into camps.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/a416

This is a draft bill first introduced in 2015 by State Assembly member Nick Perry, who keeps reintroducing it each year. It has always failed to pass, and is not sponsored by Cuomo or any member of the State Senate. If you follow Shasarak's link, you can go see the 2015 version and how it keeps being reintroduced.

EDITED TO ADD: Also, there is nothing about Jews or camps in it.

You are right jhkim, it is not a camp, it is a medical facility, or other appropriate facility or premises designated by the Governor.

Do you also agree that I am right that it was from 2015, rejected four times, and is not sponsored by Cuomo or anyone in the State Senate?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 07:17:12 PM
Do you also agree that I am right that it was from 2015, rejected four times, and is not sponsored by Cuomo or anyone in the State Senate?

You mean Assembly Bill A4162021-2022 Legislative Session dated January 6, 2021?

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 11, 2021, 07:23:39 PM
Do you also agree that I am right that it was from 2015, rejected four times, and is not sponsored by Cuomo or anyone in the State Senate?

You mean Assembly Bill A4162021-2022 Legislative Session dated January 6, 2021?

Yes. If you look down a little in the text for Bill A416 you will see:

Quote
Versions Introduced in Other Legislative Sessions:2015-2016: A6891
2017-2018: A680
2019-2020: A99
Source: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/a416

Each of those links to the previous versions. The bill is renumbered each time that it is re-introduced, but if you look at the previous versions, you will see the exact same language. The following is my cut-and-paste from the 2015 version of the bill. 

Quote
2.  UPON  DETERMINING BY CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE THAT THE HEALTH
OF OTHERS IS OR MAY BE ENDANGERED BY A  CASE,  CONTACT  OR  CARRIER,  OR
SUSPECTED  CASE, CONTACT OR CARRIER OF A CONTAGIOUS DISEASE THAT, IN THE
OPINION OF THE GOVERNOR, AFTER CONSULTATION WITH THE  COMMISSIONER,  MAY
POSE  AN  IMMINENT AND SIGNIFICANT THREAT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH RESULTING
IN SEVERE MORBIDITY OR HIGH MORTALITY, THE GOVERNOR OR HIS OR HER  DELE-
GEE,  INCLUDING,  BUT  NOT  LIMITED  TO THE COMMISSIONER OR THE HEADS OF
LOCAL HEALTH DEPARTMENTS, MAY ORDER THE REMOVAL AND/OR DETENTION OF SUCH
A PERSON OR OF A GROUP OF SUCH PERSONS BY ISSUING A SINGLE ORDER,  IDEN-
TIFYING  SUCH  PERSONS  EITHER  BY  NAME  OR  BY  A  REASONABLY SPECIFIC
DESCRIPTION OF THE INDIVIDUALS OR GROUP BEING DETAINED. SUCH  PERSON  OR
GROUP OF PERSONS SHALL BE DETAINED IN A MEDICAL FACILITY OR OTHER APPRO-
PRIATE  FACILITY  OR  PREMISES  DESIGNATED BY THE GOVERNOR OR HIS OR HER
DELEGEE AND COMPLYING WITH SUBDIVISION FIVE OF THIS SECTION.
Source: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2015/A6891

The Assembly member Nick Perry keeps re-introducing this bill, but it has failed to pass three times previously.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 07:31:47 PM
The Assembly member Nick Perry keeps re-introducing this bill, but it has failed to pass three times previously.

So you are saying that they have been able to successfully fight the introduction of this kind of "camp" until now?

I hope there is no chance of some kind of global pandemic that gives an excuse for it to be passed this year.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 07:34:03 PM
I don't get how you read that from what I wrote. Terrorism is not OK in any case - and I am saying that violent BLM activities are wrong. Peaceful Trump demonstrations are good, and peaceful BLM demonstrations are good. If you think that there was a single BLM event that was worse than the Capitol storming, then specify it, and we can compare.

Which bit was the Terroism bit?

Was it when the Protestors were shot?

I think you're mixing up quotes here. moonsweeper was the one who brought up terrorism. I didn't make any claim about terrorism except to say that it is bad -- because moonsweeper accused me of saying that terrorism is OK.

I haven't made any claim about someone being a terrorist, and I feel like moonsweeper's bringing it up was a distraction - that apparently worked.

Did you disavow the statements made by Biden regarding terrorists or did you support them?



Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 11, 2021, 08:00:50 PM
Go ahead and look up the USC legal definition of 'terrorism' then get back to me.

Quote from: 18 U.S. Code § 2331 - Definitions
(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States;

With regard to the Kavanaugh protests,
The crimes they were arrested and charged with were "crowding, obstruction, or incommoding" along with "unlawful conduct" and "disorderly conduct".
These don't sound like crimes "dangerous to human life". With respect to the infrequent violence at BLM protests, that does not seem systematic enough to fit (B) in the definition; otherwise any isolated criminal act dangerous to human life would be terrorism. The assassination of police officers would probably fit B(iii) but those appear to have been carried out by a few right-wingers. B(ii) and B(iii) seem to have been a major objective for many of the rioters on January 6th; disrupting the electoral vote count at least, and for some, capturing Pence, Pelosi or others to hold hostage or execute.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: deadDMwalking on January 11, 2021, 08:06:17 PM

Did you disavow the statements made by Biden regarding terrorists or did you support them?

You mean this one?

Quote from: Biden
No major party, no major party nominee in the history of this nation has ever known less or has been less prepared to deal with national security.  We cannot elect a man who exploits our fears of ISIS and other terrorists, who has no plan whatsoever to make us safer.

Or do you have another quote in mind? 

Personally, I think armed protesters storming the US Capitol combined with statements like the ones on this site about this being 'just the beginning' qualify as an attempt to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, so sure, I'm willing to agree that some of the protestors last week are terrorists.  Not CONVICTED terrorists, which I know matters to everyone here up until that person in Muslim or black. 
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 11, 2021, 08:08:38 PM
I think you're mixing up quotes here. moonsweeper was the one who brought up terrorism. I didn't make any claim about terrorism except to say that it is bad -- because moonsweeper accused me of saying that terrorism is OK.

I haven't made any claim about someone being a terrorist, and I feel like moonsweeper's bringing it up was a distraction - that apparently worked.

Did you disavow the statements made by Biden regarding terrorists or did you support them?

I do not support them. In general, I find that terrorist is used as a generic buzzword for "bad person" far too much by both sides of the political spectrum. I think that particularly in casual usage, it is an over-hyped distinction. Under U.S. law, letting animals out of cages can be terrorism - while murdering dozens isn't necessarily terrorism. Particularly since it is so charged, I would prefer to discuss the morality of actions without using the label "terrorist" at all - instead judging it from other principles.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 11, 2021, 08:12:31 PM
No, being a traitor is when someone like Nancy Pelosi tries to take control of the US Nuclear weapons.

George Washington never sat around waiting to find out what the government wanted him to do.

By the Constitution,
Quote from: US Constitution
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Since George Washington was President of the United States, he was Commander in Chief; who we would he wait around to hear from? If no war were declared, he would probably have waited for Congress to declare war before conducting a war, since that was in the Constitution and he was fairly careful to set no unfortunate precedents, so the answer is, to some extent, yes, he would, and likely similarly for other situations where the executive branch should not act without legislation from the legislative branch. Earlier, he was Commander in Chief of the Continental Army. The President as Commander in Chief recognizes that wars cannot be fought under the command of a divided committee, while limiting the power of the executive in many ways (impeachment and later the 25th amendment being among them).

I'd say invading the Capitol Building, the seat of the Article I branch of the federal government, and injuring and even killing members of its police force, looks like levying war against the United States and thus treason. Nancy Pelosi asking the Joint Chiefs of Staff about something she probably knew the answer to looks like drumming up support for the stronger constitutional options, by undercutting the argument that the military would resist Trump's orders (almost certainly true for clearly illegal orders, almost certainly false for clearly legal orders).
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 11, 2021, 08:15:39 PM
Looks like they just banned Ron Paul from Facebook.
Looks like it's temporary, and it's not clear why. It's for unspecified violations of their community standards.

That could bite them in the ass. He's never had much political power, but he's been surprisingly influential and is widely respected.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 11, 2021, 08:17:34 PM
And you've betrayed all of that to follow a pack of lying liars that endorse violence against Americans and attacks against America. Are you really so stupid? Oh well, at least you're all talk now, right?

You can not be a traitor for fighting American enemies both foreign and domestic.
The soldier doesn't designate enemies; that's for the government the soldier is serving to do. And that is why SHARK is a traitor.

Greetings!

I am not a traitor to anything. You are delusional.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 11, 2021, 08:17:52 PM
1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.
Guam will never happen. 170,000 people vs. about 500,000 for the smallest House district. They'd need to triple the number of reps. Puerto Rico is more than large enough, but can the statehood movement overcome the independence movement, and is the US willing to accept a bankrupt state?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 11, 2021, 08:21:16 PM
In general, I find that terrorist is used as a generic buzzword for "bad person" far too much by both sides of the political spectrum. I think that particularly in casual usage, it is an over-hyped distinction. Under U.S. law, letting animals out of cages can be terrorism - while murdering dozens isn't necessarily terrorism. Particularly since it is so charged, I would prefer to discuss the morality of actions without using the label "terrorist" at all - instead judging it from other principles.
Agreed. Terrorism, treason, and hate crimes are all being used too casually.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 11, 2021, 08:37:32 PM
An interview with Peter Meijer (https://reason.com/2021/01/08/amash-successor-peter-meijer-trumps-deceptions-are-rankly-unfit/), who replaced Justin Amash in Congress:
Quote
And then one of the saddest things is I had colleagues who, when it came time to recognize reality and vote to certify Arizona and Pennsylvania in the Electoral College, they knew in their heart of hearts that they should've voted to certify, but some had legitimate concerns about the safety of their families. They felt that that vote would put their families in danger.

The delay of the electoral vote count was probably aimed at increasing or at least getting more time for the same intimidation of state legislators. Anybody but Trump probably would have recognized that it was going to blow up in his face, but per Ben Sasse, "As this was unfolding on television, Donald Trump was walking around the White House confused about why other people on his team weren’t as excited as he was.... He was delighted."
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: moonsweeper on January 11, 2021, 08:47:43 PM
Go ahead and look up the USC legal definition of 'terrorism' then get back to me.

Quote from: 18 U.S. Code § 2331 - Definitions
(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States;

With regard to the Kavanaugh protests,
The crimes they were arrested and charged with were "crowding, obstruction, or incommoding" along with "unlawful conduct" and "disorderly conduct".
These don't sound like crimes "dangerous to human life". With respect to the infrequent violence at BLM protests, that does not seem systematic enough to fit (B) in the definition; otherwise any isolated criminal act dangerous to human life would be terrorism. The assassination of police officers would probably fit B(iii) but those appear to have been carried out by a few right-wingers. B(ii) and B(iii) seem to have been a major objective for many of the rioters on January 6th; disrupting the electoral vote count at least, and for some, capturing Pence, Pelosi or others to hold hostage or execute.

That might matter if I had said anything about the Kavanaugh hearings...
(Here's a little secret: I didn't)

The discussion I was having was about the destruction/attacks committed during BLM/Antifa riots which fall under (i), (ii) and maybe (iii) and therefore mark the perpetrators as terrorists by legal definition.  Because people ought to know what words mean when they use them...especially people with doctorates.

You also fail on the second part, since I never defended the people who broke into the Capitol...

*pats rawma on the cheek*

It'll be ok.  You can try again next time.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 08:49:56 PM

Did you disavow the statements made by Biden regarding terrorists or did you support them?

You mean this one?

Quote from: Biden
No major party, no major party nominee in the history of this nation has ever known less or has been less prepared to deal with national security.  We cannot elect a man who exploits our fears of ISIS and other terrorists, who has no plan whatsoever to make us safer.

Or do you have another quote in mind? 

Personally, I think armed protesters storming the US Capitol combined with statements like the ones on this site about this being 'just the beginning' qualify as an attempt to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, so sure, I'm willing to agree that some of the protestors last week are terrorists.  Not CONVICTED terrorists, which I know matters to everyone here up until that person in Muslim or black.

"“These are a bunch of thugs, they’re terrorists, domestic terrorists and that will be a judgment for the justice department as to what the charges should be, but the fact is they should be prosecuted,” Biden said."

https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/biden-capitol-rioters-are-thugs-antisemites-who-should-be-prosecuted-654800 (https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/biden-capitol-rioters-are-thugs-antisemites-who-should-be-prosecuted-654800)
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Cloyer Bulse on January 11, 2021, 08:57:20 PM
For the 30 states with republican legislators, they need to get those Dominion (it could not be more obvious if they named those machines "fuck you peasants!") cheating machines out of their states, otherwise they are going to be "voted" out of office very quickly, and then they need to impeach their democratic governors, all of whom were "elected" by election fraud.

If they do this, they could easily retake both the house and the senate, reinstate the republic and impeach Beijing Biden and Blowjob Harris, both of whom have the popularity of a raging gonorrhea infection.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 08:58:15 PM
I think you're mixing up quotes here. moonsweeper was the one who brought up terrorism. I didn't make any claim about terrorism except to say that it is bad -- because moonsweeper accused me of saying that terrorism is OK.

I haven't made any claim about someone being a terrorist, and I feel like moonsweeper's bringing it up was a distraction - that apparently worked.

Did you disavow the statements made by Biden regarding terrorists or did you support them?

I do not support them. In general, I find that terrorist is used as a generic buzzword for "bad person" far too much by both sides of the political spectrum. I think that particularly in casual usage, it is an over-hyped distinction. Under U.S. law, letting animals out of cages can be terrorism - while murdering dozens isn't necessarily terrorism. Particularly since it is so charged, I would prefer to discuss the morality of actions without using the label "terrorist" at all - instead judging it from other principles.

I would agree, its just like calling everyone Nazi and it is a shame to hear it from the most popular man in American electoral history.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 11, 2021, 09:02:29 PM
And you've betrayed all of that to follow a pack of lying liars that endorse violence against Americans and attacks against America. Are you really so stupid? Oh well, at least you're all talk now, right?

You can not be a traitor for fighting American enemies both foreign and domestic.
The soldier doesn't designate enemies; that's for the government the soldier is serving to do. And that is why SHARK is a traitor.

Greetings!

I am not a traitor to anything. You are delusional.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Your denial gets weaker every time. Look in a mirror next time you want to see the face of the "enemy" because that's where you'll see a piece of shit advocating for violence against Americans and American institutions.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 11, 2021, 09:03:24 PM
Personally, I think armed protesters storming the US Capitol combined with statements like the ones on this site about this being 'just the beginning' qualify as an attempt to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, so sure, I'm willing to agree that some of the protestors last week are terrorists.  Not CONVICTED terrorists, which I know matters to everyone here up until that person in Muslim or black.

I challenge you to find a quote from every poster to back that up. You can skip the banned ones.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 09:26:11 PM
No, being a traitor is when someone like Nancy Pelosi tries to take control of the US Nuclear weapons.

George Washington never sat around waiting to find out what the government wanted him to do.

By the Constitution,
Quote from: US Constitution
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Since George Washington was President of the United States, he was Commander in Chief; who we would he wait around to hear from? If no war were declared, he would probably have waited for Congress to declare war before conducting a war, since that was in the Constitution and he was fairly careful to set no unfortunate precedents, so the answer is, to some extent, yes, he would, and likely similarly for other situations where the executive branch should not act without legislation from the legislative branch. Earlier, he was Commander in Chief of the Continental Army. The President as Commander in Chief recognizes that wars cannot be fought under the command of a divided committee, while limiting the power of the executive in many ways (impeachment and later the 25th amendment being among them).

George Washington was born commander in chief which caused a lot of initial trouble on the play ground.

Quote
I'd say invading the Capitol Building, the seat of the Article I branch of the federal government, and injuring and even killing members of its police force, looks like levying war against the United States and thus treason. Nancy Pelosi asking the Joint Chiefs of Staff about something she probably knew the answer to looks like drumming up support for the stronger constitutional options, by undercutting the argument that the military would resist Trump's orders (almost certainly true for clearly illegal orders, almost certainly false for clearly legal orders).

It would have been really bad if any members of the police force had been killed by protestors but luckily the only ones hurt were the white protestors who were really asking for it by protesting against systemic corruption.

Nancy Pelosi asking to commit treason is really just another Tuesday.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 09:31:33 PM
Just so I can keep it straight we have the people that believe terrorists attacked the Capitol:

deadDMwalking,
rawma,
Elfdart

anyone else I missed?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: KingCheops on January 11, 2021, 09:42:44 PM
Apparently even mini-dictators Macron and Merkel think the social media companies have gone too far.  I guess they realize the High Priests of the Cathedral will come for them eventually so they want to get out ahead of it.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: moonsweeper on January 11, 2021, 09:50:27 PM
Just so I can keep it straight we have the people that believe terrorists attacked the Capitol:

deadDMwalking,
rawma,
Elfdart

anyone else I missed?

I have to wait on jhkim to determine if the antifa/BLM rioters fit the definition of terrorism...I need to know if we are using the legal definition or just the rhetorical mudslinging one...

unless of course he weasels by using his typical "a 'protected-class' doesn't have to be held to the same standards defense..."

But I am perfectly willing to go down the legal road of all violence for political ends is terrorism and should be investigated as such...but damn the police and FBI will have to open a few new offices in Portland and Seattle.   :D

Of course, if certain people don't believe in equal treatment under the law, then I consider their opinion on the matter irrelevant due to lack of ethical character.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: tenbones on January 11, 2021, 09:53:13 PM
1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.
Guam will never happen. 170,000 people vs. about 500,000 for the smallest House district. They'd need to triple the number of reps. Puerto Rico is more than large enough, but can the statehood movement overcome the independence movement, and is the US willing to accept a bankrupt state?

Why Pat, you make it sound like "rules" matter these days. LOL

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: tenbones on January 11, 2021, 09:54:40 PM
Apparently even mini-dictators Macron and Merkel think the social media companies have gone too far.  I guess they realize the High Priests of the Cathedral will come for them eventually so they want to get out ahead of it.

Bingo is your name-o. Much like the ACLU is suddenly fretting about Trump's civil liberties being trodden upon. It's almost as if they realize the current stock value of "Civil Liberties" is dropping through the floor in the current market...
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 10:06:34 PM
Just so I can keep it straight we have the people that believe terrorists attacked the Capitol:

deadDMwalking,
rawma,
Elfdart

anyone else I missed?

I have to wait on jhkim to determine if the antifa/BLM rioters fit the definition of terrorism...I need to know if we are using the legal definition or just the rhetorical mudslinging one...

unless of course he weasels by using his typical "a 'protected-class' doesn't have to be held to the same standards defense..."

But I am perfectly willing to go down the legal road of all violence for political ends is terrorism and should be investigated as such...but damn the police and FBI will have to open a few new offices in Portland and Seattle.   :D

Of course, if certain people don't believe in equal treatment under the law, then I consider their opinion on the matter irrelevant due to lack of ethical character.

Jhkim does not agree.


I think you're mixing up quotes here. moonsweeper was the one who brought up terrorism. I didn't make any claim about terrorism except to say that it is bad -- because moonsweeper accused me of saying that terrorism is OK.

I haven't made any claim about someone being a terrorist, and I feel like moonsweeper's bringing it up was a distraction - that apparently worked.

Did you disavow the statements made by Biden regarding terrorists or did you support them?

I do not support them. In general, I find that terrorist is used as a generic buzzword for "bad person" far too much by both sides of the political spectrum. I think that particularly in casual usage, it is an over-hyped distinction. Under U.S. law, letting animals out of cages can be terrorism - while murdering dozens isn't necessarily terrorism. Particularly since it is so charged, I would prefer to discuss the morality of actions without using the label "terrorist" at all - instead judging it from other principles.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 11, 2021, 10:33:49 PM
Quote from: 18 U.S. Code § 2331 - Definitions
(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States;
The discussion I was having was about the destruction/attacks committed during BLM/Antifa riots which fall under (i), (ii) and maybe (iii) and therefore mark the perpetrators as terrorists by legal definition.

Individual isolated acts are not going to fall under the definition of terrorism, unless every criminal act dangerous to human life within the United States is domestic terrorism, which would make the definition pointless as a label (which jhkim seems to believe). At BLM protests, looting was more likely opportunistic than anything under B; vandalism on an irregular scale similarly does not appear to be aimed at anything under B. Most of the protesting did not involve criminal acts. The more extreme acts in the vicinity of BLM protests appear to have been mostly right-wingers, whether as a false flag or for their own purposes.

Quote
You also fail on the second part, since I never defended the people who broke into the Capitol...

You asked for the definition of terrorism; I provided it, since jhkim did not seem interested in doing so. I was not certain what you intended to apply it to, in reply to jhkim, since he had talked about several of those things. But since we have the definition in front of us, why won't you label "the people who broke into the Capitol" as domestic terrorists?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 11, 2021, 11:23:48 PM
And you've betrayed all of that to follow a pack of lying liars that endorse violence against Americans and attacks against America. Are you really so stupid? Oh well, at least you're all talk now, right?

You can not be a traitor for fighting American enemies both foreign and domestic.
The soldier doesn't designate enemies; that's for the government the soldier is serving to do. And that is why SHARK is a traitor.

Greetings!

I am not a traitor to anything. You are delusional.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Your denial gets weaker every time. Look in a mirror next time you want to see the face of the "enemy" because that's where you'll see a piece of shit advocating for violence against Americans and American institutions.

Greetings!

*Laughing* No, fuckstick, I am not the enemy. I haven't specifically advocated violence against Americans or American institutions, jackass. You have no understanding of Marxism, or its influence and infiltration into American society--nor do you fucking comprehend the threat to our Republic that Marxism presents. That is what I have advocated resisting, by all true Americans, in a variety of means. Which is what any true, patriotic American would and should support.

Unless, of course, you really do understand what Marxism is all about, because you approve of the Marxist-Globalist agenda.

But, you know what? Yeah, moron. Sometimes, violence must be used against different people. That's what the oath is all about, "Against all enemies, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC". It can become necessary, and I am a loyal patriot for supporting and honoring that sacred oath.

YOU obviously do not fucking understand it at all, or perhaps you do not care. Either way, I don't give a fuck if a wormy, coward pussy like you agrees or approves of me, or how I feel about it. You can get fucked.

You are a fucking moron and a coward. That's ok, though, jackass. The world is full of brainwashed pathetic sheep like you that are so fucking eager to get on their knees before tyranny. Wrapped up in bubble wrap, wearing your mask, groveling to the tyrant masters.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 11, 2021, 11:27:51 PM
It would have been really bad if any members of the police force had been killed by protestors but luckily the only ones hurt were the white protestors who were really asking for it by protesting against systemic corruption.

You have an ugly amount of denial over the death of Officer Sicknick, the fifteen officers hospitalized and the dozens more injured. At least you don't claim that the Capitol Building attackers were peaceful; that would be a harder bit of denial and you should have a spotter and stretch thoroughly before attempting it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-capitol-injuires-trump/2021/01/11/ca68e3e2-5438-11eb-a08b-f1381ef3d207_story.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/533274-Capitol-Police-say-reports-of-officer%27s-death-are-wrong-
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 11:53:36 PM
It would have been really bad if any members of the police force had been killed by protestors but luckily the only ones hurt were the white protestors who were really asking for it by protesting against systemic corruption.

You have an ugly amount of denial over the death of Officer Sicknick, the fifteen officers hospitalized and the dozens more injured. At least you don't claim that the Capitol Building attackers were peaceful; that would be a harder bit of denial and you should have a spotter and stretch thoroughly before attempting it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-capitol-injuires-trump/2021/01/11/ca68e3e2-5438-11eb-a08b-f1381ef3d207_story.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/533274-Capitol-Police-say-reports-of-officer%27s-death-are-wrong-


Your quote says:

"Media outlets Thursday night incorrectly reported that a Capitol Hill police officer had died during the riot at the Capitol on Wednesday.
 
"Media reports regarding the death of a United States Capitol Police (USCP) officer are not accurate," Eva Malecki, communications director for the Capitol Police said in a statement. "Although some officers were injured and hospitalized yesterday, no USCP officers have passed away."

So what amount of denial should I have for poor officer Sicknick?  Every death is a tragedy.

And of course I never said that the protests were peaceful, they were only mostly peaceful interspersed with a minority of non-peace.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 11, 2021, 11:55:48 PM
I found rawmas terrorist, it was Aunt Tifa:

(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9584774912/hB45CF018/youre-right-it-was-aunt-tifa-antifa-pun-old-lady-breaking-into-capitol-hill-2021-riots)
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 12, 2021, 12:25:26 AM
It would have been really bad if any members of the police force had been killed by protestors but luckily the only ones hurt were the white protestors who were really asking for it by protesting against systemic corruption.

You have an ugly amount of denial over the death of Officer Sicknick, the fifteen officers hospitalized and the dozens more injured. At least you don't claim that the Capitol Building attackers were peaceful; that would be a harder bit of denial and you should have a spotter and stretch thoroughly before attempting it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-capitol-injuires-trump/2021/01/11/ca68e3e2-5438-11eb-a08b-f1381ef3d207_story.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/533274-Capitol-Police-say-reports-of-officer%27s-death-are-wrong-


Your quote says:

"Media outlets Thursday night incorrectly reported that a Capitol Hill police officer had died during the riot at the Capitol on Wednesday.
 
"Media reports regarding the death of a United States Capitol Police (USCP) officer are not accurate," Eva Malecki, communications director for the Capitol Police said in a statement. "Although some officers were injured and hospitalized yesterday, no USCP officers have passed away."

So what amount of denial should I have for poor officer Sicknick?  Every death is a tragedy.

Officer Sicknick died of injuries sustained on Wednesday, including reports of being struck with a fire extinguisher, but the death did not happen until after last Wednesday (hospitalized and died Friday). Homicide investigation is in progress. The link to a story from Thursday was to point out the large number of other injuries sustained.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: moonsweeper on January 12, 2021, 12:32:27 AM
Quote from: 18 U.S. Code § 2331 - Definitions
(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States;
The discussion I was having was about the destruction/attacks committed during BLM/Antifa riots which fall under (i), (ii) and maybe (iii) and therefore mark the perpetrators as terrorists by legal definition.

Individual isolated acts are not going to fall under the definition of terrorism, unless every criminal act dangerous to human life within the United States is domestic terrorism, which would make the definition pointless as a label (which jhkim seems to believe). At BLM protests, looting was more likely opportunistic than anything under B; vandalism on an irregular scale similarly does not appear to be aimed at anything under B. Most of the protesting did not involve criminal acts. The more extreme acts in the vicinity of BLM protests appear to have been mostly right-wingers, whether as a false flag or for their own purposes.


...and there you have it folks.  Apparently creating your own 'autonomous zone', burning government buildings or a crowd illegally obtaining access to areas for political intimidation do not count as terrorism...

Jesus, dude, you're really pathetic as a troll...


You also fail on the second part, since I never defended the people who broke into the Capitol...

You asked for the definition of terrorism; I provided it, since jhkim did not seem interested in doing so. I was not certain what you intended to apply it to, in reply to jhkim, since he had talked about several of those things. But since we have the definition in front of us, why won't you label "the people who broke into the Capitol" as domestic terrorists?


Well, maybe I intended to apply it to the post of jhkim's that I originally quoted...


BLM riots = doubleplusgood
Trump "riot" = doubleplusbad

I'd say: as far as actions done (leaving aside the cause), the various BLM protests and riots were mixed with some good and some bad (violent/non-violent). Trump protests have also been mixed and mostly good, but specifically storming the Capitol was worse than any single BLM event.


Ahhh...the old 'terrorism is ok as long as I agree with their political motives' defense.



...and, gee, I only clarified it a second time in post#196


I don't get how you read that from what I wrote. Terrorism is not OK in any case - and I am saying that violent BLM activities are wrong. Peaceful Trump demonstrations are good, and peaceful BLM demonstrations are good. If you think that there was a single BLM event that was worse than the Capitol storming, then specify it, and we can compare.

Which bit was the Terroism bit?

Was it when the Protestors were shot?

I think you're mixing up quotes here. moonsweeper was the one who brought up terrorism. I didn't make any claim about terrorism except to say that it is bad -- because moonsweeper accused me of saying that terrorism is OK.

I haven't made any claim about someone being a terrorist, and I feel like moonsweeper's bringing it up was a distraction - that apparently worked.

Nope, no distraction...here is the quote I referenced (Bolding is mine for emphasis)

BLM riots = doubleplusgood
Trump "riot" = doubleplusbad

I'd say: as far as actions done (leaving aside the cause), the various BLM protests and riots were mixed with some good and some bad (violent/non-violent). Trump protests have also been mixed and mostly good, but specifically storming the Capitol was worse than any single BLM event.

The Kavanaugh protests were purely non-violent. That doesn't mean that the protesters were right - just that how they conducted their protest was good.

So go ahead then...enlighten us as to what makes 'Terrorism A' not as bad as 'Terrorism B.'


...nope, apparently I am still not concerned about Kavanaugh...

As to your last question...if your reading comprehension wasn't so abysmal, you would have noticed this just 4 little posts ahead of yours...



But I am perfectly willing to go down the legal road of all violence for political ends is terrorism and should be investigated as such...but damn the police and FBI will have to open a few new offices in Portland and Seattle.   :D



I thought jhkim was bad, but I wouldn't wipe my ass with the degree someone felt sorry enough to give you.


To everybody else, who has a reading comprehension above Dick & Jane, I apologize for the wall of quotations.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: consolcwby on January 12, 2021, 12:49:00 AM
* INFO * INFO * INFO * INFO *
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Who here is willing to fight the whole of the U.S. military? Mr. Kim? rawma? HappyDaze? Others?
Who here is willing to die for the corruption forced upon us by a lying MSM/SM/Politicians?
Who here is willing to support FREEDOM, PEACE, UNITY?
Do you really think the internet was fully privatized? What entity owns the backbone? How is all information on the internet transmitted? Who captures the data?
YOU HAVE ALL BEEN WARNED! For the STORM is nearly upon us all. THIS IS YOUR LAST WARNING.
For some, HISTORY WILL NOT BE KIND.
---------------------------------------------------------
POTUS will not go on tv to address nation. POTUS must isolate himself to prevent negative optics. POTUS knew removing criminal rogue elements as a first step was essential to free and pass legislation. Who has access to everything classified? Do you believe HRC, Soros, Obama etc have more power than Trump? Fantasy.
Whoever controls the office of the Presidecy controls this great land.
They never believed for a moment they (Democrats and Republicans) would lose control. This is not a R v D battle.
If your expecting Trump to come out and announce that a secret operation will be launched, think again!

We were not told to storm the capitol.
We were not told to take up arms.
We were not told to have the second revolution.
We were told the hold the line, no retreat…

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/01/09/national-guard-troops-deploying-dc-will-come-lethal-weapons.html
BREAKING: National Guard says it will increase troops in DC to at least 10,000 by Saturday to boost security ahead of inauguration. DC is being LOCKED DOWN , NG is being brought in, Trump wants them to do the work, they think they are in control. The mayor of DC has been fooled into demanding them. They are locking themselves in, not the people out!

I shall reiterate:
Who controls the NG? Normally the states; the state governors. During peacetime each state National Guard answers to leadership in the 50 states, three territories and the District of Columbia. During national emergencies, however, the President reserves the right to mobilize the National Guard, putting them in federal duty status.
Can the NG work in coordination w/ the marines? Yes.

Do conditions need to be satisfied to authorize? The NG is mainly activated by the states, the POTUS needs Congressional approval to activate the NG. If the states activate them, POTUS can take control of them. This would allow the Marines and the NG to work together under one set of orders. This is shown in the Posse Comitatus Act where by the POTUS can take control. However, We are in a state of National Emergency due to Pandemic. Emergency powers have NOT been removed from POTUS. DEMS feel threatened. Why else impeach POTUS?

https://www.westernjournal.com/defense-officials-confirm-trump-still-commander-chief-refuse-participate-military-coup-oust/
Department of Defense officials intend to avoid outside pressure and continue to recognize him as the commander in chief:
“Mr. Trump, they noted, is still the commander in chief; unless he is removed, the military is bound to follow his lawful orders. While military officials can refuse to carry out orders they view as illegal — or slow the process by sending those orders for careful legal review — they cannot remove the president from the chain of command. That would amount to a military coup, the officials said,” Sanger and Schmitt reported.

THE STORM IS ALMOST HERE. DESPAIR WILL CONSUME UNLESS PRECAUTIONS ARE TAKEN NOW.
BE SAFE. BE CAREFUL. READ COMMS.

CONCOMMS:
-------------------
BEWARE of MAJOR FALSE FLAG attempts this week.
KNOW your surroundings.
CHANGE OF NEWS CYCLE WILL BE NEEDED.
--end---
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 12, 2021, 01:10:57 AM
You are so deeply out of touch these days:

(https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2021/01/capitol-attack-support-1024x675.png)


By the way, even among those who do not trust the election results, most still do not support what happened with the raid on the Capital. 35 percent of Americans don’t trust the election results. But only 8% support what happened at the Capital.

Yes, battle lines were drawn, and you chose the losing side. Like not even a question anymore, you're the loser in the room on this topic if you could only get 8% of America to side with your view. You can usually get more than 8% of America to side with ANY view. Make up any claim and poll on it and you can usually squeeze out more than 8% support on even the craziest position. That's how badly you lost this one.
There's that, and there's this:

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

Trump's approval rating went up the day after the mostly peaceful acts of Nazi terrorist patriotism in the Capitol. Just a point, but it still went up, and his approval rating is as high as it's ever been.

I'm not sure polls mean anything anymore.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: myleftnut on January 12, 2021, 01:30:02 AM
You are so deeply out of touch these days:

(https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2021/01/capitol-attack-support-1024x675.png)


By the way, even among those who do not trust the election results, most still do not support what happened with the raid on the Capital. 35 percent of Americans don’t trust the election results. But only 8% support what happened at the Capital.

Yes, battle lines were drawn, and you chose the losing side. Like not even a question anymore, you're the loser in the room on this topic if you could only get 8% of America to side with your view. You can usually get more than 8% of America to side with ANY view. Make up any claim and poll on it and you can usually squeeze out more than 8% support on even the craziest position. That's how badly you lost this one.
There's that, and there's this:

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

Trump's approval rating went up the day after the mostly peaceful acts of Nazi terrorist patriotism in the Capitol. Just a point, but it still went up, and his approval rating is as high as it's ever been.

I'm not sure polls mean anything anymore.

Polls have proven to be bs but Trump has a really effective cult of personality going.  All revolutionary movements have a supreme leader.  I personally think his enemies will destroy him in the end and the movement will fizzle out.  I don’t think another person could muster the charisma to keep it going as strongly.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 12, 2021, 07:44:28 AM
And you've betrayed all of that to follow a pack of lying liars that endorse violence against Americans and attacks against America. Are you really so stupid? Oh well, at least you're all talk now, right?

You can not be a traitor for fighting American enemies both foreign and domestic.
The soldier doesn't designate enemies; that's for the government the soldier is serving to do. And that is why SHARK is a traitor.

Greetings!

I am not a traitor to anything. You are delusional.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Your denial gets weaker every time. Look in a mirror next time you want to see the face of the "enemy" because that's where you'll see a piece of shit advocating for violence against Americans and American institutions.

Greetings!

*Laughing* No, fuckstick, I am not the enemy. I haven't specifically advocated violence against Americans or American institutions, jackass. You have no understanding of Marxism, or its influence and infiltration into American society--nor do you fucking comprehend the threat to our Republic that Marxism presents. That is what I have advocated resisting, by all true Americans, in a variety of means. Which is what any true, patriotic American would and should support.

Unless, of course, you really do understand what Marxism is all about, because you approve of the Marxist-Globalist agenda.

But, you know what? Yeah, moron. Sometimes, violence must be used against different people. That's what the oath is all about, "Against all enemies, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC". It can become necessary, and I am a loyal patriot for supporting and honoring that sacred oath.

YOU obviously do not fucking understand it at all, or perhaps you do not care. Either way, I don't give a fuck if a wormy, coward pussy like you agrees or approves of me, or how I feel about it. You can get fucked.

You are a fucking moron and a coward. That's ok, though, jackass. The world is full of brainwashed pathetic sheep like you that are so fucking eager to get on their knees before tyranny. Wrapped up in bubble wrap, wearing your mask, groveling to the tyrant masters.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
You're wrong about damn near everything you posted here. Try harder, with more thought and less of your butthurt feelings. You can do it...maybe...
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 08:10:34 AM

Ah now it makes sense. You guys have no country and have been the US's dogs for how long? No wonder you were collectivelly scrambling to get selfies with Trump after he threw paper towels at you, lol.

Say what you will about Venezuela, but at least they have a country. The US don't even want you, lol.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 08:13:46 AM
You're wrong about damn near everything you posted here. Try harder, with more thought and less of your butthurt feelings. You can do it...maybe...

I've now seen that some veterans try to use their service as a kind of talisman to protect them from any and all criticism, lol. Anyone who defends these terroritsts should have a retroactive dishonorable discharge.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 12, 2021, 08:13:59 AM
Greetings!

Here Pleb Media has a very interesting discussion about the events on Jan 6 in DC, and more. Both the host Don, and the guest, Cannabis Conservative, were present during most of the day's events.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 12, 2021, 08:37:32 AM
1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.
Guam will never happen. 170,000 people vs. about 500,000 for the smallest House district. They'd need to triple the number of reps. Puerto Rico is more than large enough, but can the statehood movement overcome the independence movement, and is the US willing to accept a bankrupt state?

The independence movement in Puerto Rico is VERY weak, TBH. We have three traditional political parties based around the island's political status: Pro-Statehood (Partido Nuevo Progresista "New Progressive Party"), Pro-Commonwealth/Status Quo (Partido Popular Democratico "Popular Democratic Party") and Pro-Independence (Partido Independentista Puertorriqueño "Puerto Rican Independence Party"). And in my lifetime, the pro-independence party has never gotten more than 5% of the vote. There used to be paramilitary movements, but they got crushed decades ago and they never had broad popular support in my lifetime. They used to be stronger before I was born, but a bunch of them got caught after they tried an actual armed insurrection of the US Capitol (unlike what we saw last week), and it all went downhill from there.

Every time the push for statehood has been stalled, it has been from the pro-commonwealth/status quo side, with zero plans for independence. I've never heard anyone with broad popular appeal lay out some plans that captured the public's imagination about WTF we would do as an independent nation or WTF that government would look like. The dominant forces have always been the pro-statehood party and the pro-commonwealth/status quo party (either of which have won every election in my life), so for as long as I've been alive the fight has never been about statehood vs independence, but about people who want PR to become a state vs people who have NO plans beyond perpetually being a disenfranchised US colony forever. So what really needs to be overcome for PR to become a state (aside from the US gov actually accepting PR statehood) is not the independence movement, but blind, directionless inertia.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 12, 2021, 08:59:14 AM
You're wrong about damn near everything you posted here. Try harder, with more thought and less of your butthurt feelings. You can do it...maybe...

I've now seen that some veterans try to use their service as a kind of talisman to protect them from any and all criticism, lol. Anyone who defends these terroritsts should have a retroactive dishonorable discharge.
Wow, open up that can of worms, you unbelievable moron. Do you know what a D-D entails? You're effectively endorsing a felony conviction for wrongthink.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 12, 2021, 09:38:59 AM
I thought jhkim was bad, but I wouldn't wipe my ass with the degree someone felt sorry enough to give you.

TBH, I think jhkim is the least bad out of everybody on the other side of this discussion. I may not always agree with him and he may come off as obtuse a lot of the time, but at least he makes a semblance of an effort of arguing in good faith. Everyone else is just a clapback imbecile with no real counterarguments and absolutely nothing of value to add--just broad yet empty and snide declarations and dismissals--or brazenly biased and partisan to the point you might as well ignore their wall of text and convoluted rationalizations, and save yourself the trouble.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Arkansan on January 12, 2021, 11:19:44 AM
Looks like they just banned Ron Paul from Facebook.

FBI sent out a notice that their are armed protests being planned in all 50-states. I kinda call bullshit on this, it sounds like an invitation to a false-flag, but who knows.

Have you ever heard the expression "shipping coal to Newscastle"? Why would the FBI, Antifa, BLM, or anyone else bother to fabricate fascists when there are so many out there already?

Because the "fascists" aren't doing what the FBI wants them to do? Let's not act like American alphabet agencies don't have a long sordid history ginning things up. I mean for fucks sake they bent over backward to make Ruby Ridge happen. Not to mention several times they've (been caught) used agent provocateurs to hound someone who is mentally ill or low IQ in to doing an act of "terror" then proudly touted themselves as heroes for stopping it.

States and their constituent apparatus are entities that seek to grow and centralize, the appearance of both threat and success and deterring said threat is good for them.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 12, 2021, 11:50:34 AM
Looks like they just banned Ron Paul from Facebook.

FBI sent out a notice that their are armed protests being planned in all 50-states. I kinda call bullshit on this, it sounds like an invitation to a false-flag, but who knows.

Have you ever heard the expression "shipping coal to Newscastle"? Why would the FBI, Antifa, BLM, or anyone else bother to fabricate fascists when there are so many out there already?

Because the "fascists" aren't doing what the FBI wants them to do? Let's not act like American alphabet agencies don't have a long sordid history ginning things up. I mean for fucks sake they bent over backward to make Ruby Ridge happen. Not to mention several times they've (been caught) used agent provocateurs to hound someone who is mentally ill or low IQ in to doing an act of "terror" then proudly touted themselves as heroes for stopping it.

States and their constituent apparatus are entities that seek to grow and centralize, the appearance of both threat and success and deterring said threat is good for them.

What you need to understand is that US alphabet agencies may have been toppling foreign governments to plant US-controlled puppets and secure US interests abroad, planting false evidence and entrapping ordinary citizens who would otherwise have never seriously contemplated undertaking nefarious activities into engaging in acts of "terrorism" for almost a century, but the people protesting the Capitol are the fascists, and the ones defending the alphabet agencies are the anti-fascists.

Because logic.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 11:50:41 AM
You're wrong about damn near everything you posted here. Try harder, with more thought and less of your butthurt feelings. You can do it...maybe...

I've now seen that some veterans try to use their service as a kind of talisman to protect them from any and all criticism, lol. Anyone who defends these terroritsts should have a retroactive dishonorable discharge.
Wow, open up that can of worms, you unbelievable moron. Do you know what a D-D entails? You're effectively endorsing a felony conviction for wrongthink.

§2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 12, 2021, 12:06:00 PM
You're wrong about damn near everything you posted here. Try harder, with more thought and less of your butthurt feelings. You can do it...maybe...

I've now seen that some veterans try to use their service as a kind of talisman to protect them from any and all criticism, lol. Anyone who defends these terroritsts should have a retroactive dishonorable discharge.
Wow, open up that can of worms, you unbelievable moron. Do you know what a D-D entails? You're effectively endorsing a felony conviction for wrongthink.

§2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim
Cool story bro. Except that's not what you said, you dishonest bitch.

You want anyone who even defends them to be retroactively given a felony conviction. This strikes me as a great way to be retroactively aborted by way of high-speed lead injection.

But sure, go down that road. We'll be more than happy to whip it out for everyone from Jane Fonda to Pantifa.

Say when.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 12:43:00 PM
You're wrong about damn near everything you posted here. Try harder, with more thought and less of your butthurt feelings. You can do it...maybe...

I've now seen that some veterans try to use their service as a kind of talisman to protect them from any and all criticism, lol. Anyone who defends these terroritsts should have a retroactive dishonorable discharge.
Wow, open up that can of worms, you unbelievable moron. Do you know what a D-D entails? You're effectively endorsing a felony conviction for wrongthink.

§2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim
Cool story bro. Except that's not what you said, you dishonest bitch.

You want anyone who even defends them to be retroactively given a felony conviction. This strikes me as a great way to be retroactively aborted by way of high-speed lead injection.

But sure, go down that road. We'll be more than happy to whip it out for everyone from Jane Fonda to Pantifa.

Say when.

lol, they can downgrade an honorable discharge if you're receiving retirement benefits. Not likely they would bother, but they should when you're advocating sedition, lol.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: EOTB on January 12, 2021, 12:58:47 PM
Does your username refer to John Del Arroz?

If it refers to JDA, you could easily get lumped into punishment for wrongthinking; his public take on this is much different than yours. 
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 01:02:55 PM
There's a difference between wrongthink and sedition. Last I checked, I haven't egged on or advocated sedition publicly nor privately for the violent overthrow of our democratic process, lol.

In any case, people here egging on violent sedition are not likely to get caught unless some incel loser turns into the next Timothy McVeigh. I doubt that the relevant authorities even know of this little anthill.  Shark's VA benefits will likely remain intact and his body will probably desecrate the national cemetery. Those are the sad facts.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: EOTB on January 12, 2021, 01:12:14 PM
Thats not my point; I’m saying by the definition you’re using, JDA is/has currently engaged in seditious speech, and you’re advocating punishing that, while affiliating yourself at the same time.

Not hard to see potential unintended consequences there, if the consequences you state you want were to happen.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 01:13:36 PM
RIght, just like I'd be associating myself with Condoleeza  if I called myself RiceWithMil instead? lol

Quote
Not hard to see potential unintended consequences there, if the consequences you state you want were to happen.

LOL Have you actually read any of the inflammatory, seditious shit written here??

Like, seriously, I understand the majority of the forum really loves Trump. I came to like him, despite myself, for much of his presidency. FOr the things he did right. He fucked up during covid, but even then I just thought he was being stupid/opportunistic. But all this seditious nonsense he has started since before the election even happened? Downright un-American, just like anyone defending it.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: EOTB on January 12, 2021, 01:18:37 PM
You can LOL me 16 different ways, but all of them depend on a rigorous application of due process mostly absent from the priorities of those crying “sedition” the loudest.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 01:20:06 PM
Oh yeah, all I want is for those advocating or engaging in voilence to get their day in court. you against that? But I'm realisitc. Other than a few who actually attacked the capitol, the chances of anyone online even getting a tap on the wrist are vanishingly tiny (like many an RPG site members' own penis).
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 12, 2021, 01:30:59 PM
Oh yeah, all I want is for those advocating or engaging in voilence to get their day in court. you against that? But I'm realisitc. Other than a few who actually attacked the capitol, the chances of anyone online even getting a tap on the wrist are vanishingly tiny (like many an RPG site members' penises).
And on that note, I think you can be safely relegated to the bitbucket. Nothing of value will be lost.

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: EOTB on January 12, 2021, 01:34:13 PM
I don’t think the likelihood of punishment for online badthink is vanishingly tiny anymore, no.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 01:34:56 PM
So you're saying that the chance of getting prosecuted is larger than @Ghostmaker's micropenis?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 12, 2021, 01:40:35 PM
There's a difference between wrongthink and sedition. Last I checked, I haven't egged on or advocated sedition publicly nor privately for the violent overthrow of our democratic process, lol.

In any case, people here egging on violent sedition are not likely to get caught unless some incel loser turns into the next Timothy McVeigh. I doubt that the relevant authorities even know of this little anthill.  Shark's VA benefits will likely remain intact and his body will probably desecrate the national cemetery. Those are the sad facts.

Greetings!

Choke on it bitch. That's right, I'm such a monster. Fuck off, jackass.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 12, 2021, 01:43:07 PM
1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.
Guam will never happen. 170,000 people vs. about 500,000 for the smallest House district. They'd need to triple the number of reps. Puerto Rico is more than large enough, but can the statehood movement overcome the independence movement, and is the US willing to accept a bankrupt state?

The independence movement in Puerto Rico is VERY weak, TBH. We have three traditional political parties based around the island's political status: Pro-Statehood (Partido Nuevo Progresista "New Progressive Party"), Pro-Commonwealth/Status Quo (Partido Popular Democratico "Popular Democratic Party") and Pro-Independence (Partido Independentista Puertorriqueño "Puerto Rican Independence Party"). And in my lifetime, the pro-independence party has never gotten more than 5% of the vote. There used to be paramilitary movements, but they got crushed decades ago and they never had broad popular support in my lifetime. They used to be stronger before I was born, but a bunch of them got caught after they tried an actual armed insurrection of the US Capitol (unlike what we saw last week), and it all went downhill from there.

Every time the push for statehood has been stalled, it has been from the pro-commonwealth/status quo side, with zero plans for independence. I've never heard anyone with broad popular appeal lay out some plans that captured the public's imagination about WTF we would do as an independent nation or WTF that government would look like. The dominant forces have always been the pro-statehood party and the pro-commonwealth/status quo party (either of which have won every election in my life), so for as long as I've been alive the fight has never been about statehood vs independence, but about people who want PR to become a state vs people who have NO plans beyond perpetually being a disenfranchised US colony forever. So what really needs to be overcome for PR to become a state (aside from the US gov actually accepting PR statehood) is not the independence movement, but blind, directionless inertia.
Good to have an insider perspective. I was in San Juan during one of your periodic referendums, and there were parades and celebrations and a lot of, for lack of a better word, nationalistic fervor. Probably gave me the impression it was bigger than it really was, though everyone I talked to favored the status quo. Just too many tax and funding benefits, and abstract things like having a vote in national elections weren't as important. Seems to be a slow shift towards statehood over time, though, especially based on the last referendum.

How are the finances? That was covered a lot during the last storm, and most pundits were saying PR would have to get their house in order before statehood could even be considered.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 12, 2021, 01:46:53 PM
There's a difference between wrongthink and sedition. Last I checked, I haven't egged on or advocated sedition publicly nor privately for the violent overthrow of our democratic process, lol.

In any case, people here egging on violent sedition are not likely to get caught unless some incel loser turns into the next Timothy McVeigh. I doubt that the relevant authorities even know of this little anthill.  Shark's VA benefits will likely remain intact and his body will probably desecrate the national cemetery. Those are the sad facts.

Greetings!

Choke on it bitch. That's right, I'm such a monster. Fuck off, jackass.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Oh, SHARKy, you're so close to accepting that you're the monster. All it will take is you being a little more honest with yourself, and then perhaps you can start to be better.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: tenbones on January 12, 2021, 02:21:53 PM
1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.
Guam will never happen. 170,000 people vs. about 500,000 for the smallest House district. They'd need to triple the number of reps. Puerto Rico is more than large enough, but can the statehood movement overcome the independence movement, and is the US willing to accept a bankrupt state?

The independence movement in Puerto Rico is VERY weak, TBH. We have three traditional political parties based around the island's political status: Pro-Statehood (Partido Nuevo Progresista "New Progressive Party"), Pro-Commonwealth/Status Quo (Partido Popular Democratico "Popular Democratic Party") and Pro-Independence (Partido Independentista Puertorriqueño "Puerto Rican Independence Party"). And in my lifetime, the pro-independence party has never gotten more than 5% of the vote. There used to be paramilitary movements, but they got crushed decades ago and they never had broad popular support in my lifetime. They used to be stronger before I was born, but a bunch of them got caught after they tried an actual armed insurrection of the US Capitol (unlike what we saw last week), and it all went downhill from there.

Every time the push for statehood has been stalled, it has been from the pro-commonwealth/status quo side, with zero plans for independence. I've never heard anyone with broad popular appeal lay out some plans that captured the public's imagination about WTF we would do as an independent nation or WTF that government would look like. The dominant forces have always been the pro-statehood party and the pro-commonwealth/status quo party (either of which have won every election in my life), so for as long as I've been alive the fight has never been about statehood vs independence, but about people who want PR to become a state vs people who have NO plans beyond perpetually being a disenfranchised US colony forever. So what really needs to be overcome for PR to become a state (aside from the US gov actually accepting PR statehood) is not the independence movement, but blind, directionless inertia.
Good to have an insider perspective. I was in San Juan during one of your periodic referendums, and there were parades and celebrations and a lot of, for lack of a better word, nationalistic fervor. Probably gave me the impression it was bigger than it really was, though everyone I talked to favored the status quo. Just too many tax and funding benefits, and abstract things like having a vote in national elections weren't as important. Seems to be a slow shift towards statehood over time, though, especially based on the last referendum.

How are the finances? That was covered a lot during the last storm, and most pundits were saying PR would have to get their house in order before statehood could even be considered.

Yeah I'm curious about the current situation post-hurricane etc. What's the scoop?

Edit: My feelings, much like the Guam situation, is that if the Democrat Party wanted to push the issue, I don't think the will of the Puerto Rican people, nor any legal exemptions from Guam becoming a State will matter one iota to the Democrat party while they have both Houses and the Presidency. Coupled with the fact that the Republicans have a herd of Rino's in their ranks that want nothing more than to simp for the Dems, I don't imagine it would be much effort nor even controversial among themselves to make these moves. Vs. say Single Payer etc.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 12, 2021, 02:43:24 PM
There's a difference between wrongthink and sedition. Last I checked, I haven't egged on or advocated sedition publicly nor privately for the violent overthrow of our democratic process, lol.

In any case, people here egging on violent sedition are not likely to get caught unless some incel loser turns into the next Timothy McVeigh. I doubt that the relevant authorities even know of this little anthill.  Shark's VA benefits will likely remain intact and his body will probably desecrate the national cemetery. Those are the sad facts.

Greetings!

Choke on it bitch. That's right, I'm such a monster. Fuck off, jackass.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Oh, SHARKy, you're so close to accepting that you're the monster. All it will take is you being a little more honest with yourself, and then perhaps you can start to be better.

Greetings!

Be a little more honest with myself? There's nothing to be "More honest with myself" about. I watched the different videos from the day's events--live--at the time. President Trump's speech was awesome, and inspiring. A million, probably more than that, Americans gathered together for the rally was awesome, too. Pretty incredible to see. As far as the subsequent protest, that is their right to protest!

I haven't told anyone to murder anyone, or attack anyone, or burn any buildings down. I have not said that the government of the United States needs to be violently and unlawfully overthrown. I have not engaged in such myself, nor have I encouraged anyone do such a thing.

Sedition my ass. Stop being a lying, disgraceful fucktard.

As for you, or anyone else believing or thinking that a "coup" was engaged in during the events, well, in my opinion, you and others that believe such are brainwashed morons. The entire Leftist narrative put forth by the MSM and the Leftist politicians on the day is a fucking sham, a psyop, and absolute hateful propaganda, filled with lies, overblown, incendiary language, utter manipulation, and entirely designed to demonize half the fucking country that supports President Trump and opposes Marxism.

I think it is unfortunate that anyone died during the event--including Ashli Babbit, and unarmed veteran that was shot and killed by the capital police. The police officer that died--that too was unfortunate, and tragic. Some old people also died from medical conditions--also unfortunate. There were one million, two million? people present. There are always tensions during protests--which is what occured at the Capitol building. A protest, not a fucking "Insurrection" or a goddamned "Coup".

And as I mentioned before, there is evidence that ANTIFA provocatuers were also in the crowds, likely leading the way to instigating the violence that occured. I saw that with my own eyes watching live video, American Patriots chanting, "NO ANTIFA!" and attempting to restrain and discourage people present from any violence or vandalism. The FBI report is fucking wrong. I saw it and heard it right there in a video, with hundreds of people gathered about.

So, if there is anyone that should get honest with themselves, it is you.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 12, 2021, 02:46:40 PM
1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.
Guam will never happen. 170,000 people vs. about 500,000 for the smallest House district. They'd need to triple the number of reps. Puerto Rico is more than large enough, but can the statehood movement overcome the independence movement, and is the US willing to accept a bankrupt state?

The independence movement in Puerto Rico is VERY weak, TBH. We have three traditional political parties based around the island's political status: Pro-Statehood (Partido Nuevo Progresista "New Progressive Party"), Pro-Commonwealth/Status Quo (Partido Popular Democratico "Popular Democratic Party") and Pro-Independence (Partido Independentista Puertorriqueño "Puerto Rican Independence Party"). And in my lifetime, the pro-independence party has never gotten more than 5% of the vote. There used to be paramilitary movements, but they got crushed decades ago and they never had broad popular support in my lifetime. They used to be stronger before I was born, but a bunch of them got caught after they tried an actual armed insurrection of the US Capitol (unlike what we saw last week), and it all went downhill from there.

Every time the push for statehood has been stalled, it has been from the pro-commonwealth/status quo side, with zero plans for independence. I've never heard anyone with broad popular appeal lay out some plans that captured the public's imagination about WTF we would do as an independent nation or WTF that government would look like. The dominant forces have always been the pro-statehood party and the pro-commonwealth/status quo party (either of which have won every election in my life), so for as long as I've been alive the fight has never been about statehood vs independence, but about people who want PR to become a state vs people who have NO plans beyond perpetually being a disenfranchised US colony forever. So what really needs to be overcome for PR to become a state (aside from the US gov actually accepting PR statehood) is not the independence movement, but blind, directionless inertia.
Good to have an insider perspective. I was in San Juan during one of your periodic referendums, and there were parades and celebrations and a lot of, for lack of a better word, nationalistic fervor. Probably gave me the impression it was bigger than it really was, though everyone I talked to favored the status quo. Just too many tax and funding benefits, and abstract things like having a vote in national elections weren't as important. Seems to be a slow shift towards statehood over time, though, especially based on the last referendum.

How are the finances? That was covered a lot during the last storm, and most pundits were saying PR would have to get their house in order before statehood could even be considered.

Yeah I'm curious about the current situation post-hurricane etc. What's the scoop?

Edit: My feelings, much like the Guam situation, is that if the Democrat Party wanted to push the issue, I don't think the will of the Puerto Rican people, nor any legal exemptions from Guam becoming a State will matter one iota to the Democrat party while they have both Houses and the Presidency. Coupled with the fact that the Republicans have a herd of Rino's in their ranks that want nothing more than to simp for the Dems, I don't imagine it would be much effort nor even controversial among themselves to make these moves. Vs. say Single Payer etc.

Greetings!

Hey Tenbones! Yeah, I have talked to a number of PR as well, and they do not seem to be in a hurry to become a state. They like things the way they are.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 02:47:59 PM
The current people that believe terrorists attacked the Capitol:

deadDMwalking,
rawma,
Elfdart
ArrozConLeche

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 02:51:12 PM
Translation:

A few eggs were broken. What's the big deal? Antifa destroyed property. We were mostly peaceful.

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 12, 2021, 02:55:53 PM
We've spent the past year being told by mainstream media and politicians that the police are systematically racist and engaging in a genocide of black Americans.
Suddenly people are concerned about cops getting hurt again.
How convenient.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 02:56:43 PM
Who is we, kimosabe? lol

Maybe your opinion changes with the media winds, but not everyone's, :-
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 02:57:04 PM
So, if there is anyone that should get honest with themselves, it is you.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Dont worry about HappyDaze SHARK.  He has not been the same since Chinese Corona Virus Derangement Syndrome broke his brain.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 12, 2021, 02:58:05 PM
We've spent the past year being told by mainstream media and politicians that the police are systematically racist and engaging in a genocide of black Americans.
Suddenly people are concerned about cops getting hurt again.
How convenient.
Funny how 'defund the police' disappeared off the narrative suddenly when it was their asses on the line and the chance to hammer down some dissent came into play.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 02:59:47 PM
That's exactly why you're all the same as those your criticize. All of a sudden, police are just tragic casualties. BLue Lives don't matter anymore, eh.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 03:03:42 PM
That's exactly why you're all the same as those your criticize. All of a sudden, police are just tragic casualties. BLue Lives don't matter anymore, eh.

Thats cute.  Pretending to care about the Police.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 03:06:38 PM
yeppers. i'm not the one on record flip flopping. good luck in your search though. inche hypocrite.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 12, 2021, 03:07:04 PM
Translation:

A few eggs were broken. What's the big deal? Antifa destroyed property. We were mostly peaceful.



Greetings!

So, you don't think there is a difference between supporting people's right to protest, and pursue violence?

I think the people there had the right to protest, and make their voices heard. I don't think it was necessary for anyone to become violent.

Chris Cuomo, of CNN though, strangely disagrees. He said, when regarding BLM and ANTIFA riots during the summer, "Who said protests have to be peaceful or non violent?"

It's ok to be violent though, and murder people, and burn, and loot, right? That's what BLM and ANTIFA did for *months* across the country. The cock-sucking Marxist politicians and MSM were all in favour of that--many of which are on public record for supporting such, like AOC, Maxine Waters, and more. That's all good though, right?

The violence in DC on Jan 06 was unfortunate, and even tragic. After months of BLM and ANTIFA rioting across the country--often supported by the MSM and Marxist politicians--I don't think having some engage in such violence, considering the tensions involved, as being surprising. Even more so, when there is evidence that much of it was provoked by ANTIFA members that were also present, in an effort to heighten and provoke such tensions in a purposeful and coordinated manner.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 03:08:40 PM
I agree those reporters have been hypocrites. But for so many people in here to turn on a dime and start doing the same? come on, bruh. that's just fucking disgusting. I had faith in ya'all.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 03:10:02 PM
Quote
The violence in DC on Jan 06 was unfortunate, and even tragic. After months of BLM and ANTIFA rioting across the country--often supported by the MSM and Marxist politicians--I don't think having some engage in such violence, considering the tensions involved, as being surprising. Even more so, when there is evidence that much of it was provoked by ANTIFA members that were also present, in an effort to heighten and provoke such tensions in a purposeful and coordinated manner.

This here is hypocritical beyond belief. "ANTIFA DID IT!" isn't an excuse. I thought you knew better.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 03:10:48 PM
yeppers. i'm not the one on record flip flopping. good luck in your search though. inche hypocrite.

Sure, we should believe all women!
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 12, 2021, 03:15:02 PM
That's exactly why you're all the same as those your criticize. All of a sudden, police are just tragic casualties. BLue Lives don't matter anymore, eh.

I never said blue lives matter. I prefer the slogan All Lives Matter, though I tend to hate slogans as trite and mindless things to repeat to convince the person yelling them more than anyone else.

But then I condemned the riot way back in the previous thread. I think 1. All violence is deplorable and only to be used in extreme circumstances of self defense, and 2. We're way past the point of talking people down. Political violence has been justified by politicians and the mainstream media for years now, and they have no moral footing to stand on when it happens from a group they don't like.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 03:16:59 PM
The only people I've been talking about are the flip floppers. Thought that was obivious.

What are the chances that anyone here who is now justifying the capitol attack was also down with the BLM and Antifa violence?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 03:18:52 PM
Quote
The violence in DC on Jan 06 was unfortunate, and even tragic. After months of BLM and ANTIFA rioting across the country--often supported by the MSM and Marxist politicians--I don't think having some engage in such violence, considering the tensions involved, as being surprising. Even more so, when there is evidence that much of it was provoked by ANTIFA members that were also present, in an effort to heighten and provoke such tensions in a purposeful and coordinated manner.

This here is hypocritical beyond belief. "ANTIFA DID IT!" isn't an excuse. I thought you knew better.

Why is Antifa did it, not an excuse?

Why now you want people to be consistent?  My theory is that it is because the TV told you what to believe.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 03:21:49 PM
Yeah, Mr. Rogers taught me not to be a hypocrite. Who taught you to be a hypocrite?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 03:29:02 PM
Yeah, Mr. Rogers taught me not to be a hypocrite. Who taught you to be a hypocrite?

Grandma Nancy Pelosi and BLM.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 03:34:00 PM
Yeah, Mr. Rogers taught me not to be a hypocrite. Who taught you to be a hypocrite?

Grandma Nancy Pelosi and BLM.

And you took to the lessons so easily! Natural talent for it.  Thank you for contributions in making the United States a shithole!
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 12, 2021, 03:38:38 PM
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The only people I've been talking about are the flip floppers. Thought that was obivious.

That's exactly why you're all the same as those your criticize. All of a sudden, police are just tragic casualties. BLue Lives don't matter anymore, eh.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 03:38:52 PM
Yeah, Mr. Rogers taught me not to be a hypocrite. Who taught you to be a hypocrite?

Grandma Nancy Pelosi and BLM.

And you took to the lessons so easily! Natural talent for it.  Thank you for contributions in making the United States a shithole!

I had to hurry, BLM was doing such a good job that I was worried it would be a steaming pile of burned down shit before I got there.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 12, 2021, 03:41:02 PM
Translation:

A few eggs were broken. What's the big deal? Antifa destroyed property. We were mostly peaceful.



Greetings!

So, you don't think there is a difference between supporting people's right to protest, and pursue violence?

I think the people there had the right to protest, and make their voices heard. I don't think it was necessary for anyone to become violent.

Chris Cuomo, of CNN though, strangely disagrees. He said, when regarding BLM and ANTIFA riots during the summer, "Who said protests have to be peaceful or non violent?"

It's ok to be violent though, and murder people, and burn, and loot, right? That's what BLM and ANTIFA did for *months* across the country. The cock-sucking Marxist politicians and MSM were all in favour of that--many of which are on public record for supporting such, like AOC, Maxine Waters, and more. That's all good though, right?

The violence in DC on Jan 06 was unfortunate, and even tragic. After months of BLM and ANTIFA rioting across the country--often supported by the MSM and Marxist politicians--I don't think having some engage in such violence, considering the tensions involved, as being surprising. Even more so, when there is evidence that much of it was provoked by ANTIFA members that were also present, in an effort to heighten and provoke such tensions in a purposeful and coordinated manner.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
So now you see it as "unfortunate and tragic" rather than "AMAZING Lock and Load"? Look folks, SHARK has started spewing weasel words. He must have realized that openly endorsing violence is not OK, even in this place.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 03:41:48 PM
Yeah, Mr. Rogers taught me not to be a hypocrite. Who taught you to be a hypocrite?

Grandma Nancy Pelosi and BLM.

And you took to the lessons so easily! Natural talent for it.  Thank you for contributions in making the United States a shithole!

I had to hurry, BLM was doing such a good job that I was worried it would be a steaming pile of burned down shit before I got there.

The stuident has surpassed the master. Excellent job, grasshopper!
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 12, 2021, 03:49:09 PM
Seems they're looking at the cop's death as murder and have put out a photo of the primary suspect.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 03:53:20 PM
Yeah, Mr. Rogers taught me not to be a hypocrite. Who taught you to be a hypocrite?

Grandma Nancy Pelosi and BLM.

And you took to the lessons so easily! Natural talent for it.  Thank you for contributions in making the United States a shithole!

I had to hurry, BLM was doing such a good job that I was worried it would be a steaming pile of burned down shit before I got there.

The stuident has surpassed the master. Excellent job, grasshopper!

That is what the TV said.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 03:54:48 PM
So now you see it as "unfortunate and tragic" rather than "AMAZING Lock and Load"? Look folks, SHARK has started spewing weasel words. He must have realized that openly endorsing violence is not OK, even in this place.

Remember that time when AOC told her supporters to attack ICE and the poor idiot that believed her got shot for his troubles?

Ah, good times good time.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 03:56:43 PM
Remember that time Bernie Sanders campaigned to be elected President of the USA on his history of illegally protesting federal facilities?

Ah, good times good times.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 03:58:20 PM
Remember that time when people decided that they wanted everyone else to be consistent with their beliefs?

Oh wait that was Tuesday
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 12, 2021, 03:59:46 PM
I will say as regards the Trump movement in general, I have three significant overlaps with it:

1) Opposition to greater control by major corporations and billionaires.
2) Opposition to foreign wars, like the Iraq War pursued by George W. Bush.
3) Valuing of free speech

But I also have major differences with it, in environmental policy (weakening environmental regulations), in economic policy (run up the deficit, tax cuts to the rich), and in foreign policy (pissing off democratic allies while continuing to pal up with Saudi Arabia).


I watched the different videos from the day's events--live--at the time. President Trump's speech was awesome, and inspiring. A million, probably more than that, Americans gathered together for the rally was awesome, too. Pretty incredible to see. As far as the subsequent protest, that is their right to protest!

I haven't told anyone to murder anyone, or attack anyone, or burn any buildings down. I have not said that the government of the United States needs to be violently and unlawfully overthrown. I have not engaged in such myself, nor have I encouraged anyone do such a thing.

As confirmed by their own words, I believe that the protesters intended to *force* Congress members to not endorse the Electoral College vote. They thought that by a show of strength in breaking into the building and confronting the members directly, then the Senate would back down and agree to their demands of challenging the Electoral vote.

I don't think that I am mischaracterizing them in this.

But I believe that is using force to intimidate and threaten Congress. We can see in the pictures that Congress members were afraid for their personal well being. They were hiding under desks, and fled the chambers under armed guard. I would say the same thing about Senator Rand Paul being threatened by a crowd after the RNC. The point isn't how much harm actually happened to him - the point is that he was personally threatened and intimidated.

I think this sort of direct physical intimidation of elected officials is completely counter to democracy. Allowing it without the highest punishment is turning the government into a sham.

Not all direct action is physical threat. As I noted earlier, the Kavanaugh protesters were highly visible - and they blocked hallways and made noise, but no one was physically threatened by them.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 04:05:18 PM
To be fair, here is a clip of Republicans calling for rioting in the streets:

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 04:09:24 PM
Sorry got my clips confused, that was the Democrats calling for riots in the street.

My bad.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 12, 2021, 04:10:07 PM
Remember Mad Maxine Waters calling for her followers to 'get in their faces, don't let them have any peace'?

Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 12, 2021, 04:34:38 PM
Remember that time when people decided that they wanted everyone else to be consistent with their beliefs?

Oh wait that was Tuesday

So who here are you claiming has been inconsistent in their beliefs? I'll nominate SHARK, with his posts:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159401/#msg1159401)

The violence in DC on Jan 06 was unfortunate, and even tragic. After months of BLM and ANTIFA rioting across the country--often supported by the MSM and Marxist politicians--I don't think having some engage in such violence, considering the tensions involved, as being surprising. Even more so, when there is evidence that much of it was provoked by ANTIFA members that were also present, in an effort to heighten and provoke such tensions in a purposeful and coordinated manner.
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/live-coverage-of-rally-for-president-trump-in-dc!-01062021/msg1160254/#msg1160254)


Outside this forum, sure - there are plenty of people all over the political spectrum who are inconsistent in their beliefs. Citing individual people in the wider world who are inconsistent will be an awfully long list.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 12, 2021, 04:52:25 PM
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Who posted shit supporting the criminal actions in DC on 1/6/21?

The internet remembers.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 12, 2021, 05:00:49 PM
Remember that time when people decided that they wanted everyone else to be consistent with their beliefs?

Oh wait that was Tuesday

So who here are you claiming has been inconsistent in their beliefs? I'll nominate SHARK, with his posts:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159401/#msg1159401)

The violence in DC on Jan 06 was unfortunate, and even tragic. After months of BLM and ANTIFA rioting across the country--often supported by the MSM and Marxist politicians--I don't think having some engage in such violence, considering the tensions involved, as being surprising. Even more so, when there is evidence that much of it was provoked by ANTIFA members that were also present, in an effort to heighten and provoke such tensions in a purposeful and coordinated manner.
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/live-coverage-of-rally-for-president-trump-in-dc!-01062021/msg1160254/#msg1160254)


Outside this forum, sure - there are plenty of people all over the political spectrum who are inconsistent in their beliefs. Citing individual people in the wider world who are inconsistent will be an awfully long list.

Greetings!

Yeah, damn right I was excited, and enthusiastic, Jhkim. It was amazing to see, especially live like that, with so many people there.

I also note that of the people I saw--no one was armed, and there wasn't any real violence going on aside from *some* wrestling and pushing with police officers, in some areas. Other areas, the police weren't doing anything. None the less, I did not want anyone to be assaulted, or killed, whether patriots, police, or whoever. Nothing inconsistent at all.

As AOC declared, "Protests are uncomfortable. People should be forced to be uncomfortable." *paraphrasing* So, again, was it appropriate for people to march, and wave flags, and scream, and make the fat, elitist and corrupt politicians listen to angry citizens, even if they were made *uncomfortable*? Well, fuck yeah. Why not? AOC and many other political and media leaders that cock-sucking Leftists love to suck on certainly think that is all fine and good.

I make no apologies, so stop trying to insist that I'm "inconsistent". I remember watching the whole cities fucking *BURN*, people being beaten and killed, stores being destroyed and looted, with thousands of fucking BLM and ANTIFA people marching and screaming, and calling for people to be killed--and the protest at the Capitol building was nothing close to any of that, which went on in city after fucking city, and like in Portland, Oregon, every fucking night--while the politicians did nothing. In fact, political leaders like Mayor Wheeler, the Portland AG, specifically refused to prosecute anyone, for anything. Meanwhile numerous other political and media leaders praised the BLM and ANTIFA as good and noble, and justified in making their voices heard, and expressing their rage.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 05:03:21 PM
I make no apologies, so stop trying to insist that I'm "inconsistent". I remember watching the whole cities fucking *BURN*, people being beaten and killed, stores being destroyed and looted, with thousands of fucking BLM and ANTIFA people marching and screaming, and calling for people to be killed--and the protest at the Capitol building was nothing close to any of that, which went on in city after fucking city, and like in Portland, Oregon, every fucking night--while the politicians did nothing. In fact, political leaders like Mayor Wheeler, the Portland AG, specifically refused to prosecute anyone, for anything. Meanwhile numerous other political and media leaders praised the BLM and ANTIFA as good and noble, and justified in making their voices heard, and expressing their rage.

And you are their equivalent on the other side! Congratulations!
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: EOTB on January 12, 2021, 05:08:10 PM
Leaving aside the capital and speaking generally, the two flip sides of consistency and hypocrisy are both stupid.  Beyond those bedrock beliefs each person has, that they would rather die than violate, it is no virtue to extend rigidity broadly across all the beliefs you hold.  Nearly all of them are conditional, and should be recognized as such

This is why “you’re a hypocrite” changes no one's mind, and never has since rhetoric was identified.  If you’ve ever promised someone you will hold to a particular (not-bedrock) belief regardless of any outcome that would stem from your holding it, you’re a moron putting a ring in your nose, to be lead around with by more pragmatic individuals.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 05:10:21 PM
So at least be honest and say outright that you think you have exclusive rights to being a violent moron.

It's also very rich in irony to say that given that the bread and butter of this board is pointing out how hypocritical the left is, lol. 
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 12, 2021, 05:16:53 PM
As confirmed by their own words, I believe that the protesters intended to *force* Congress members to not endorse the Electoral College vote. They thought that by a show of strength in breaking into the building and confronting the members directly, then the Senate would back down and agree to their demands of challenging the Electoral vote.

I like to distinguish between protest and riot. We have linked to protesters who wanted to peacefully voice their dissatisfaction with how the election was investigated. That was their stated goal.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 12, 2021, 05:29:41 PM
As confirmed by their own words, I believe that the protesters intended to *force* Congress members to not endorse the Electoral College vote. They thought that by a show of strength in breaking into the building and confronting the members directly, then the Senate would back down and agree to their demands of challenging the Electoral vote.

I like to distinguish between protest and riot. We have linked to protesters who wanted to peacefully voice their dissatisfaction with how the election was investigated. That was their stated goal.
Not for all of them. The FBI are investigating a whole lot of them that had planned & organized illegal actions online. Every time they find one, that one's electronic trail shows even more.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 12, 2021, 05:32:28 PM
Remember that time when people decided that they wanted everyone else to be consistent with their beliefs?

Oh wait that was Tuesday

So who here are you claiming has been inconsistent in their beliefs? I'll nominate SHARK, with his posts:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159401/#msg1159401)

The violence in DC on Jan 06 was unfortunate, and even tragic. After months of BLM and ANTIFA rioting across the country--often supported by the MSM and Marxist politicians--I don't think having some engage in such violence, considering the tensions involved, as being surprising. Even more so, when there is evidence that much of it was provoked by ANTIFA members that were also present, in an effort to heighten and provoke such tensions in a purposeful and coordinated manner.
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/live-coverage-of-rally-for-president-trump-in-dc!-01062021/msg1160254/#msg1160254)


Outside this forum, sure - there are plenty of people all over the political spectrum who are inconsistent in their beliefs. Citing individual people in the wider world who are inconsistent will be an awfully long list.

Greetings!

Yeah, damn right I was excited, and enthusiastic, Jhkim. It was amazing to see, especially live like that, with so many people there.

I also note that of the people I saw--no one was armed, and there wasn't any real violence going on aside from *some* wrestling and pushing with police officers, in some areas. Other areas, the police weren't doing anything. None the less, I did not want anyone to be assaulted, or killed, whether patriots, police, or whoever. Nothing inconsistent at all.

As AOC declared, "Protests are uncomfortable. People should be forced to be uncomfortable." *paraphrasing* So, again, was it appropriate for people to march, and wave flags, and scream, and make the fat, elitist and corrupt politicians listen to angry citizens, even if they were made *uncomfortable*? Well, fuck yeah. Why not? AOC and many other political and media leaders that cock-sucking Leftists love to suck on certainly think that is all fine and good.

I make no apologies, so stop trying to insist that I'm "inconsistent". I remember watching the whole cities fucking *BURN*, people being beaten and killed, stores being destroyed and looted, with thousands of fucking BLM and ANTIFA people marching and screaming, and calling for people to be killed--and the protest at the Capitol building was nothing close to any of that, which went on in city after fucking city, and like in Portland, Oregon, every fucking night--while the politicians did nothing. In fact, political leaders like Mayor Wheeler, the Portland AG, specifically refused to prosecute anyone, for anything. Meanwhile numerous other political and media leaders praised the BLM and ANTIFA as good and noble, and justified in making their voices heard, and expressing their rage.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Oh, bullshit, you fucking liar. You always hype up pro-Trump or anti-Left violence with whatever shitty ass rationalizations your Trump-addled mind can come up with. I wonder if you will come to the FBI's attention if your words of encouragement for the violence are found on someone's electronic trail. They are looking.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: EOTB on January 12, 2021, 05:42:37 PM
So at least be honest and say outright that you think you have exclusive rights to being a violent moron.

It's also very rich in irony to say that given that the bread and butter of this board is pointing out how hypocritical the left is, lol.

Your “lets be honest” is a cardboard caricature; all it does is identify the level of complexity you can handle.  Things aren’t quite that simple.  You, yourself, apply different standards to varying circumstances every day of your life.

I’m not the board, and find the fascination with left hypocrisy a waste of time.  I use it sparingly, to discredit, when I’m playing to a neutral audience who would be sympathetic to the argument.  But no, I don’t get worked up over leftists behaving in accordance with all of their beliefs. 

Most hypocrisy arguments, when made from a genuine disgust, are made by those who are unwilling to come to grips with what the target of their argument really is, as opposed to what they wish them to be.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 12, 2021, 05:43:03 PM
1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.
Guam will never happen. 170,000 people vs. about 500,000 for the smallest House district. They'd need to triple the number of reps. Puerto Rico is more than large enough, but can the statehood movement overcome the independence movement, and is the US willing to accept a bankrupt state?

The independence movement in Puerto Rico is VERY weak, TBH. We have three traditional political parties based around the island's political status: Pro-Statehood (Partido Nuevo Progresista "New Progressive Party"), Pro-Commonwealth/Status Quo (Partido Popular Democratico "Popular Democratic Party") and Pro-Independence (Partido Independentista Puertorriqueño "Puerto Rican Independence Party"). And in my lifetime, the pro-independence party has never gotten more than 5% of the vote. There used to be paramilitary movements, but they got crushed decades ago and they never had broad popular support in my lifetime. They used to be stronger before I was born, but a bunch of them got caught after they tried an actual armed insurrection of the US Capitol (unlike what we saw last week), and it all went downhill from there.

Every time the push for statehood has been stalled, it has been from the pro-commonwealth/status quo side, with zero plans for independence. I've never heard anyone with broad popular appeal lay out some plans that captured the public's imagination about WTF we would do as an independent nation or WTF that government would look like. The dominant forces have always been the pro-statehood party and the pro-commonwealth/status quo party (either of which have won every election in my life), so for as long as I've been alive the fight has never been about statehood vs independence, but about people who want PR to become a state vs people who have NO plans beyond perpetually being a disenfranchised US colony forever. So what really needs to be overcome for PR to become a state (aside from the US gov actually accepting PR statehood) is not the independence movement, but blind, directionless inertia.
Good to have an insider perspective. I was in San Juan during one of your periodic referendums, and there were parades and celebrations and a lot of, for lack of a better word, nationalistic fervor. Probably gave me the impression it was bigger than it really was, though everyone I talked to favored the status quo. Just too many tax and funding benefits, and abstract things like having a vote in national elections weren't as important. Seems to be a slow shift towards statehood over time, though, especially based on the last referendum.

How are the finances? That was covered a lot during the last storm, and most pundits were saying PR would have to get their house in order before statehood could even be considered.
Yeah I'm curious about the current situation post-hurricane etc. What's the scoop?

Edit: My feelings, much like the Guam situation, is that if the Democrat Party wanted to push the issue, I don't think the will of the Puerto Rican people, nor any legal exemptions from Guam becoming a State will matter one iota to the Democrat party while they have both Houses and the Presidency. Coupled with the fact that the Republicans have a herd of Rino's in their ranks that want nothing more than to simp for the Dems, I don't imagine it would be much effort nor even controversial among themselves to make these moves. Vs. say Single Payer etc.

Yeah, that's the thing. Any time you go to a protest in Puerto Rico you're gonna find a lot of nationalistic sentiment, but a lot of those people favor the status quo and vote for the pro-commonwealth party, and for the status quo during referendums rather than for independence. Part of the problem is that the pro-commonwealth party was founded by Luis Muñoz Marín, who was the first Puerto Rican governor elected in the island, one of the people who established the Puerto Rican commonwealth (Estado Libre Asociado, or “Free Associated State”) and a very prominent political figure in his day. And he was such a popular character that older people who were alive in his day and may have had nationalistic sentiment kept voting for his party—which is NOT a nationalistic party—which ended up cementing the pro-commonwealth party’s dominance in the island, along with the pro-statehood party as its main opposition, and completely sidelining the pro-independence party and movement (he also helped suppress Nationalist movements in the island, but that’s another rabbit hole covered in his Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Mu%C3%B1oz_Mar%C3%ADn#Passage_of_Law_53_(the_Gag_Law))).

And to compound matters further, a lot of the old hardcore nationalistic movements were Marxist socialists anti-Capitalist/US Government types out in the fringes, with the paramilitary types getting aid from Cuba and such, so they all eventually got crushed by the feds. So independence movements never gained much popular support, partly out of fear that Puerto Rico would turn into something like Communist Cuba if it gained its independence (which is something I used to hear a lot growing up as a kid).

Another thing to consider is that every time we get these large protests a lot of the more ardent pro-independence people tend to attend those events, while most of the normal everyday people that don't really care that much about politics just stay at home. So if you talk to the people at the protests you're gonna get a lot of skewed perspectives that don't necessarily match what the average person in the island thinks or wants, because most of the minority pro-independence crowd are gonna be at those events (however, people who attend the protests also tend to be better educated about the issues than the non-political folk, so they might still bring up valid points). But most average people just wanna get through their everyday lives without disruptions and none of them wanna give up their US citizenship.

Ironically, I haven’t been following the situation in the island as closely as I’ve been following US politics or the pandemic, but the situation has been pretty much a bumpy ride since the hurricane, followed by the earthquake (and aftershocks that caused further damage), and now with the pandemic things have pretty much gone to hell, and I have no clue if/when we will ever recover. We had like three different governors in one single term, since the one that was on during the hurricane had to resign due to scandals (mostly about spicy comments made in some chat logs that surfaced, rather than due to his rampant mismanagement of the crisis after the hurricane), the one that followed was annulled due to scandals related to the first one (don’t think he was even allowed to officially become active governor), and the third managed to complete her term, but was unable to secure the nomination to run for governor again. Then the second one of these three governors (Pedro Pierluisi, who has been the target of numerous conflict of interest and corruption allegations) somehow managed to become governor again during the last election, which is a testament to how ineffective and corrupt our government and the two dominant parties are.

However, the last election saw a resurgence of third party candidates, with three of them getting a significant portion of the votes—far greater than at any other time in the island’s history—which is an indicator that the island has been losing faith in the two parties that have been dominant throughout its history as the “Free Associated State”. The one who got the most votes was Alexandra Lúgaro, who got 14.21% and I voted for in 2016, but refrained from voting for this time around, cuz she buys into Intersectionality and had been pushing to get LGBT courses into schools. So I basically sat this one out and stayed at home following the US elections, but with some reservations, since I considered her otherwise to be the best candidate. But I just couldn’t bring myself to vote to bring wokeness into the island in the current political climate. Plus my vote wouldn’t have been enough to make her win anyways, but she current has the most votes of any independent/third party candidate in the island’s history.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 12, 2021, 05:50:46 PM
As confirmed by their own words, I believe that the protesters intended to *force* Congress members to not endorse the Electoral College vote. They thought that by a show of strength in breaking into the building and confronting the members directly, then the Senate would back down and agree to their demands of challenging the Electoral vote.
I like to distinguish between protest and riot. We have linked to protesters who wanted to peacefully voice their dissatisfaction with how the election was investigated. That was their stated goal.
Not for all of them. The FBI are investigating a whole lot of them that had planned & organized illegal actions online. Every time they find one, that one's electronic trail shows even more.

I'm sure that some of the Trump supporters at the Capitol only wanted to voice dissatisfaction. However, from what I see of the crowds and interviews, they were not shocked at their fellows breaking in by force. When the police were shoved past and doors and windows broken in, lots of people continued to cheer. I think it's fair to say that a large fraction of them were in support of breaking in and demanding change.

Also, an important note: there's a huge difference between *illegal* and *violent*. Lots of peaceful protests have been *illegal*. Martin Luther King Jr was jailed multiple times, for example. Often protesters can be arrested for various crimes like "crowding, obstructing, or incommoding" or just demonstrating without a permit.

But if the targets of the demonstration are legitimately in fear for their physical safety, then that goes past "illegal" and into "violent".
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 12, 2021, 05:55:16 PM
Remember that time when people decided that they wanted everyone else to be consistent with their beliefs?

Oh wait that was Tuesday

So who here are you claiming has been inconsistent in their beliefs? I'll nominate SHARK, with his posts:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159401/#msg1159401)

The violence in DC on Jan 06 was unfortunate, and even tragic. After months of BLM and ANTIFA rioting across the country--often supported by the MSM and Marxist politicians--I don't think having some engage in such violence, considering the tensions involved, as being surprising. Even more so, when there is evidence that much of it was provoked by ANTIFA members that were also present, in an effort to heighten and provoke such tensions in a purposeful and coordinated manner.
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/live-coverage-of-rally-for-president-trump-in-dc!-01062021/msg1160254/#msg1160254)


Outside this forum, sure - there are plenty of people all over the political spectrum who are inconsistent in their beliefs. Citing individual people in the wider world who are inconsistent will be an awfully long list.

Greetings!

Yeah, damn right I was excited, and enthusiastic, Jhkim. It was amazing to see, especially live like that, with so many people there.

I also note that of the people I saw--no one was armed, and there wasn't any real violence going on aside from *some* wrestling and pushing with police officers, in some areas. Other areas, the police weren't doing anything. None the less, I did not want anyone to be assaulted, or killed, whether patriots, police, or whoever. Nothing inconsistent at all.

As AOC declared, "Protests are uncomfortable. People should be forced to be uncomfortable." *paraphrasing* So, again, was it appropriate for people to march, and wave flags, and scream, and make the fat, elitist and corrupt politicians listen to angry citizens, even if they were made *uncomfortable*? Well, fuck yeah. Why not? AOC and many other political and media leaders that cock-sucking Leftists love to suck on certainly think that is all fine and good.

I make no apologies, so stop trying to insist that I'm "inconsistent". I remember watching the whole cities fucking *BURN*, people being beaten and killed, stores being destroyed and looted, with thousands of fucking BLM and ANTIFA people marching and screaming, and calling for people to be killed--and the protest at the Capitol building was nothing close to any of that, which went on in city after fucking city, and like in Portland, Oregon, every fucking night--while the politicians did nothing. In fact, political leaders like Mayor Wheeler, the Portland AG, specifically refused to prosecute anyone, for anything. Meanwhile numerous other political and media leaders praised the BLM and ANTIFA as good and noble, and justified in making their voices heard, and expressing their rage.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Oh, bullshit, you fucking liar. You always hype up pro-Trump or anti-Left violence with whatever shitty ass rationalizations your Trump-addled mind can come up with. I wonder if you will come to the FBI's attention if your words of encouragement for the violence are found on someone's electronic trail. They are looking.

Greetings!

Choke on it, wormy little bitch. It's always fun to see you squirm and clutch your pearls like the cuck you are.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: tenbones on January 12, 2021, 05:58:13 PM
The math will sort itself out.

This thread cracks me up.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 12, 2021, 06:03:49 PM
1) Guam, Puerto Rico statehood. D.C. will not happen. But Guam and Puerto Rico? Definitely possible. All the RINO's have more incentive to go Democrat on everything because the Republican's have cut their own throat. If successful, this will lock up the Senate for generations.
Guam will never happen. 170,000 people vs. about 500,000 for the smallest House district. They'd need to triple the number of reps. Puerto Rico is more than large enough, but can the statehood movement overcome the independence movement, and is the US willing to accept a bankrupt state?

The independence movement in Puerto Rico is VERY weak, TBH. We have three traditional political parties based around the island's political status: Pro-Statehood (Partido Nuevo Progresista "New Progressive Party"), Pro-Commonwealth/Status Quo (Partido Popular Democratico "Popular Democratic Party") and Pro-Independence (Partido Independentista Puertorriqueño "Puerto Rican Independence Party"). And in my lifetime, the pro-independence party has never gotten more than 5% of the vote. There used to be paramilitary movements, but they got crushed decades ago and they never had broad popular support in my lifetime. They used to be stronger before I was born, but a bunch of them got caught after they tried an actual armed insurrection of the US Capitol (unlike what we saw last week), and it all went downhill from there.

Every time the push for statehood has been stalled, it has been from the pro-commonwealth/status quo side, with zero plans for independence. I've never heard anyone with broad popular appeal lay out some plans that captured the public's imagination about WTF we would do as an independent nation or WTF that government would look like. The dominant forces have always been the pro-statehood party and the pro-commonwealth/status quo party (either of which have won every election in my life), so for as long as I've been alive the fight has never been about statehood vs independence, but about people who want PR to become a state vs people who have NO plans beyond perpetually being a disenfranchised US colony forever. So what really needs to be overcome for PR to become a state (aside from the US gov actually accepting PR statehood) is not the independence movement, but blind, directionless inertia.
Good to have an insider perspective. I was in San Juan during one of your periodic referendums, and there were parades and celebrations and a lot of, for lack of a better word, nationalistic fervor. Probably gave me the impression it was bigger than it really was, though everyone I talked to favored the status quo. Just too many tax and funding benefits, and abstract things like having a vote in national elections weren't as important. Seems to be a slow shift towards statehood over time, though, especially based on the last referendum.

How are the finances? That was covered a lot during the last storm, and most pundits were saying PR would have to get their house in order before statehood could even be considered.
Yeah I'm curious about the current situation post-hurricane etc. What's the scoop?

Edit: My feelings, much like the Guam situation, is that if the Democrat Party wanted to push the issue, I don't think the will of the Puerto Rican people, nor any legal exemptions from Guam becoming a State will matter one iota to the Democrat party while they have both Houses and the Presidency. Coupled with the fact that the Republicans have a herd of Rino's in their ranks that want nothing more than to simp for the Dems, I don't imagine it would be much effort nor even controversial among themselves to make these moves. Vs. say Single Payer etc.

Yeah, that's the thing. Any time you go to a protest in Puerto Rico you're gonna find a lot of nationalistic sentiment, but a lot of those people favor the status quo and vote for the pro-commonwealth party, and for the status quo during referendums rather than for independence. Part of the problem is that the pro-commonwealth party was founded by Luis Muñoz Marín, who was the first Puerto Rican governor elected in the island, one of the people who established the Puerto Rican commonwealth (Estado Libre Asociado, or “Free Associated State”) and a very prominent political figure in his day. And he was such a popular character that older people who were alive in his day and may have had nationalistic sentiment kept voting for his party—which is NOT a nationalistic party—which ended up cementing the pro-commonwealth party’s dominance in the island, along with the pro-statehood party as its main opposition, and completely sidelining the pro-independence party and movement (he also helped suppress Nationalist movements in the island, but that’s another rabbit hole covered in his Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Mu%C3%B1oz_Mar%C3%ADn#Passage_of_Law_53_(the_Gag_Law))).

And to compound matters further, a lot of the old hardcore nationalistic movements were Marxist socialists anti-Capitalist/US Government types out in the fringes, with the paramilitary types getting aid from Cuba and such, so they all eventually got crushed by the feds. So independence movements never gained much popular support, partly out of fear that Puerto Rico would turn into something like Communist Cuba if it gained its independence (which is something I used to hear a lot growing up as a kid).

Another thing to consider is that every time we get these large protests a lot of the more ardent pro-independence people tend to attend those events, while most of the normal everyday people that don't really care that much about politics just stay at home. So if you talk to the people at the protests you're gonna get a lot of skewed perspectives that don't necessarily match what the average person in the island thinks or wants, because most of the minority pro-independence crowd are gonna be at those events (however, people who attend the protests also tend to be better educated about the issues than the non-political folk, so they might still bring up valid points). But most average people just wanna get through their everyday lives without disruptions and none of them wanna give up their US citizenship.

Ironically, I haven’t been following the situation in the island as closely as I’ve been following US politics or the pandemic, but the situation has been pretty much a bumpy ride since the hurricane, followed by the earthquake (and aftershocks that caused further damage), and now with the pandemic things have pretty much gone to hell, and I have no clue if/when we will ever recover. We had like three different governors in one single term, since the one that was on during the hurricane had to resign due to scandals (mostly about spicy comments made in some chat logs that surfaced, rather than due to his rampant mismanagement of the crisis after the hurricane), the one that followed was annulled due to scandals related to the first one (don’t think he was even allowed to officially become active governor), and the third managed to complete her term, but was unable to secure the nomination to run for governor again. Then the second one of these three governors (Pedro Pierluisi, who has been the target of numerous conflict of interest and corruption allegations) somehow managed to become governor again during the last election, which is a testament to how ineffective and corrupt our government and the two dominant parties are.

However, the last election saw a resurgence of third party candidates, with three of them getting a significant portion of the votes—far greater than at any other time in the island’s history—which is an indicator that the island has been losing faith in the two parties that have been dominant throughout its history as the “Free Associated State”. The one who got the most votes was Alexandra Lúgaro, who got 14.21% and I voted for in 2016, but refrained from voting for this time around, cuz she buys into Intersectionality and had been pushing to get LGBT courses into schools. So I basically sat this one out and stayed at home following the US elections, but with some reservations, since I considered her otherwise to be the best candidate. But I just couldn’t bring myself to vote to bring wokeness into the island in the current political climate. Plus my vote wouldn’t have been enough to make her win anyways, but she current has the most votes of any independent/third party candidate in the island’s history.

Greetings!

Very interesting, Visionstorm! I hope the island recovers swiftly and enjoys new prosperity.

As an aside, though, I get the impression from your commentary that the island's political environment is perhaps hopelessly corrupt? It isn't much different than what goes on in the mainland, then, heh? ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: consolcwby on January 12, 2021, 06:07:27 PM
As all of you probably know, I've come back, kinda, sort of, in a way.

Reading through this thread.. I love love love a good old-fashioned flame war. I would never ever think of adding any gasoline to it!
But, ETHANOL IS OKAY, amirite?

So, I'll place this here: https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/483344-why-trump-has-already-secured-a-second-term-no-matter-who-his-opponent-is

Now, all of you: COME OUT OF YOUR CORNERS, AND FIGHT! lol  ;D
That link is old, isn't it? Did it fool anyone?  ??? I guess not!
So, this will do it:
https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/1349087546693853184
https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1349047960894656513

AND THE AWARD FOR BIGGEST HIPPOCRITE ON THE INTERWEBS GOES TO.... TWATTER! YAY! No one here can top this:
https://twitter.com/Policy/status/1349059275461685250
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: moonsweeper on January 12, 2021, 06:10:06 PM
I thought jhkim was bad, but I wouldn't wipe my ass with the degree someone felt sorry enough to give you.

TBH, I think jhkim is the least bad out of everybody on the other side of this discussion. I may not always agree with him and he may come off as obtuse a lot of the time, but at least he makes a semblance of an effort of arguing in good faith. Everyone else is just a clapback imbecile with no real counterarguments and absolutely nothing of value to add--just broad yet empty and snide declarations and dismissals--or brazenly biased and partisan to the point you might as well ignore their wall of text and convoluted rationalizations, and save yourself the trouble.

What I most despise him for is

(A) blind obedience to scientists as if they cannot have a political agenda. (at least as long as he supports their results)

(B) he has constantly defended a position of 'Discrimination is ok, as long as the target is not a "legally, protected class"'

Then the second one of these three governors (Pedro Pierluisi, who has been the target of numerous conflict of interest and corruption allegations) somehow managed to become governor again during the last election, which is a testament to how ineffective and corrupt our government and the two dominant parties are.

Gee, that sounds kind of familiar...

You have my sympathies.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 12, 2021, 06:27:42 PM
Remember that time when people decided that they wanted everyone else to be consistent with their beliefs?

Oh wait that was Tuesday

So who here are you claiming has been inconsistent in their beliefs? I'll nominate SHARK, with his posts:

Quote from: SHARK
*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159401/#msg1159401)

The violence in DC on Jan 06 was unfortunate, and even tragic. After months of BLM and ANTIFA rioting across the country--often supported by the MSM and Marxist politicians--I don't think having some engage in such violence, considering the tensions involved, as being surprising. Even more so, when there is evidence that much of it was provoked by ANTIFA members that were also present, in an effort to heighten and provoke such tensions in a purposeful and coordinated manner.
(ref) (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/live-coverage-of-rally-for-president-trump-in-dc!-01062021/msg1160254/#msg1160254)


Outside this forum, sure - there are plenty of people all over the political spectrum who are inconsistent in their beliefs. Citing individual people in the wider world who are inconsistent will be an awfully long list.

Greetings!

Yeah, damn right I was excited, and enthusiastic, Jhkim. It was amazing to see, especially live like that, with so many people there.

I also note that of the people I saw--no one was armed, and there wasn't any real violence going on aside from *some* wrestling and pushing with police officers, in some areas. Other areas, the police weren't doing anything. None the less, I did not want anyone to be assaulted, or killed, whether patriots, police, or whoever. Nothing inconsistent at all.

As AOC declared, "Protests are uncomfortable. People should be forced to be uncomfortable." *paraphrasing* So, again, was it appropriate for people to march, and wave flags, and scream, and make the fat, elitist and corrupt politicians listen to angry citizens, even if they were made *uncomfortable*? Well, fuck yeah. Why not? AOC and many other political and media leaders that cock-sucking Leftists love to suck on certainly think that is all fine and good.

I make no apologies, so stop trying to insist that I'm "inconsistent". I remember watching the whole cities fucking *BURN*, people being beaten and killed, stores being destroyed and looted, with thousands of fucking BLM and ANTIFA people marching and screaming, and calling for people to be killed--and the protest at the Capitol building was nothing close to any of that, which went on in city after fucking city, and like in Portland, Oregon, every fucking night--while the politicians did nothing. In fact, political leaders like Mayor Wheeler, the Portland AG, specifically refused to prosecute anyone, for anything. Meanwhile numerous other political and media leaders praised the BLM and ANTIFA as good and noble, and justified in making their voices heard, and expressing their rage.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Oh, bullshit, you fucking liar. You always hype up pro-Trump or anti-Left violence with whatever shitty ass rationalizations your Trump-addled mind can come up with. I wonder if you will come to the FBI's attention if your words of encouragement for the violence are found on someone's electronic trail. They are looking.

Greetings!

Choke on it, wormy little bitch. It's always fun to see you squirm and clutch your pearls like the cuck you are.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
I'm not one of those that's voiced support for violent activities intended to coerce the government of our nation. Unlike yourself, the despicable traitor in our midst that tries to claim he's a bigger patriot than everyone else. You're a sad, silly little man...and maybe a criminal too. I can't wait to see!
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: moonsweeper on January 12, 2021, 06:28:15 PM
...and in other news...


Quote
    Ahead of the Ugandan election, we're hearing reports that Internet service providers are being ordered to block social media and messaging apps.

    We strongly condemn internet shutdowns – they are hugely harmful, violate basic human rights and the principles of the #OpenInternet.

    — Twitter Public Policy (@Policy) January 12, 2021

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Access to information and freedom of expression, including the public conversation on Twitter, is never more important than during democratic processes, particularly elections.#UgandaDecides2021 #KeepItOn https://t.co/Q2SJfsFUiD

    — Twitter Public Policy (@Policy) January 12, 2021


 ???  :o
Man, I am so confused...

 ;)
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: HappyDaze on January 12, 2021, 06:34:54 PM
...and in other news...


Quote
    Ahead of the Ugandan election, we're hearing reports that Internet service providers are being ordered to block social media and messaging apps.

    We strongly condemn internet shutdowns – they are hugely harmful, violate basic human rights and the principles of the #OpenInternet.

    — Twitter Public Policy (@Policy) January 12, 2021

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Access to information and freedom of expression, including the public conversation on Twitter, is never more important than during democratic processes, particularly elections.#UgandaDecides2021 #KeepItOn https://t.co/Q2SJfsFUiD

    — Twitter Public Policy (@Policy) January 12, 2021


 ???  :o
Man, I am so confused...

 ;)
I think what they are going with is that it is one thing to block individual users (even if that user is POTUS) that violate their terms of service, but quite another to block out entire areas indiscriminately.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: consolcwby on January 12, 2021, 06:45:31 PM
...and in other news...


Quote
    Ahead of the Ugandan election, we're hearing reports that Internet service providers are being ordered to block social media and messaging apps.

    We strongly condemn internet shutdowns – they are hugely harmful, violate basic human rights and the principles of the #OpenInternet.

    — Twitter Public Policy (@Policy) January 12, 2021

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Access to information and freedom of expression, including the public conversation on Twitter, is never more important than during democratic processes, particularly elections.#UgandaDecides2021 #KeepItOn https://t.co/Q2SJfsFUiD

    — Twitter Public Policy (@Policy) January 12, 2021


 ???  :o
Man, I am so confused...

 ;)
I think what they are going with is that it is one thing to block individual users (even if that user is POTUS) that violate their terms of service, but quite another to block out entire areas indiscriminately.
BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Your DESPAIR is so full of clown today, it is becoming it's own CREATURE!  ;D
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 12, 2021, 06:54:50 PM
Yeah, damn right I was excited, and enthusiastic, Jhkim. It was amazing to see, especially live like that, with so many people there.

I also note that of the people I saw--no one was armed, and there wasn't any real violence going on aside from *some* wrestling and pushing with police officers, in some areas. Other areas, the police weren't doing anything. None the less, I did not want anyone to be assaulted, or killed, whether patriots, police, or whoever. Nothing inconsistent at all.

As AOC declared, "Protests are uncomfortable. People should be forced to be uncomfortable." *paraphrasing* So, again, was it appropriate for people to march, and wave flags, and scream, and make the fat, elitist and corrupt politicians listen to angry citizens, even if they were made *uncomfortable*? Well, fuck yeah. Why not?

Do you approve of the smashing in windows, pushing past police, and breaking down doors that forced Congress members to evacuate? Is that just making them uncomfortable, or is it part of the violence that you disapprove of?

When I see liberal-leaning events where they shove police, smash in windows, and loot offices - I never think "Hell yeah". I think "Fuck, this is going wrong."
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 12, 2021, 06:56:54 PM
Greetings!

Very interesting, Visionstorm! I hope the island recovers swiftly and enjoys new prosperity.

As an aside, though, I get the impression from your commentary that the island's political environment is perhaps hopelessly corrupt? It isn't much different than what goes on in the mainland, then, heh? ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Pretty much. The two dominant parties have been hopelessly corrupt for a long time, often stealing and mismanaging public funds, but people kept voting them in out of habit, much the same way everyone in the mainland just votes Democrat or Republican. Then the hurricane hit, completely devastating most of the island's poorly maintained infrastructure, as a result of years of mismanagement from past administrations, and all hell broke lose. Most of the lives that were lost (which some people tried to blame on Trump, desperately trying to turn it into his Katrina) were the result of rescue workers not been able to even reach parts of the island cuz the roads and bridges were destroyed or covered in fallen trees and landslides. And with communications down, with no phone lines and almost all cellphone towers wiped out, nobody could get a hold anyone from those municipalities to ascertain what the situation was there, how to reach them or what they could do to help. Hopefully we'll get better leadership now that people are waking up to our major political parties corruption and ineffectiveness, and are starting to look into other alternatives.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: consolcwby on January 12, 2021, 07:00:50 PM
Yeah, damn right I was excited, and enthusiastic, Jhkim. It was amazing to see, especially live like that, with so many people there.

I also note that of the people I saw--no one was armed, and there wasn't any real violence going on aside from *some* wrestling and pushing with police officers, in some areas. Other areas, the police weren't doing anything. None the less, I did not want anyone to be assaulted, or killed, whether patriots, police, or whoever. Nothing inconsistent at all.

As AOC declared, "Protests are uncomfortable. People should be forced to be uncomfortable." *paraphrasing* So, again, was it appropriate for people to march, and wave flags, and scream, and make the fat, elitist and corrupt politicians listen to angry citizens, even if they were made *uncomfortable*? Well, fuck yeah. Why not?

Do you approve of the smashing in windows, pushing past police, and breaking down doors that forced Congress members to evacuate? Is that just making them uncomfortable, or is it part of the violence that you disapprove of?

When I see liberal-leaning events where they shove police, smash in windows, and loot offices - I never think "Hell yeah". I think "Fuck, this is going wrong."
I think it's wrong, but you didn't ask me so you don't care.
HOWEVER: It was an opportunity for OC DANK MEMES. Gotta appreciate that.
ON THE OTHER-HAND: You don't like memes. YOU have a PhD. Therefore, everyone else is wrong.
Just so you know, I don't care. And if SHARK is smart, he will IGNORE YOUR POST as the BAIT IT IS.
But, you don't care about what I think...
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 12, 2021, 07:04:43 PM
Greetings!

Will Johnson hosts Unite America First. Here he discusses Leftist political hypocrisy, rioting, and more.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 12, 2021, 07:08:27 PM
Greetings!

Very interesting, Visionstorm! I hope the island recovers swiftly and enjoys new prosperity.

As an aside, though, I get the impression from your commentary that the island's political environment is perhaps hopelessly corrupt? It isn't much different than what goes on in the mainland, then, heh? ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Pretty much. The two dominant parties have been hopelessly corrupt for a long time, often stealing and mismanaging public funds, but people kept voting them in out of habit, much the same way everyone in the mainland just votes Democrat or Republican. Then the hurricane hit, completely devastating most of the island's poorly maintained infrastructure, as a result of years of mismanagement from past administrations, and all hell broke lose. Most of the lives that were lost (which some people tried to blame on Trump, desperately trying to turn it into his Katrina) were the result of rescue workers not been able to even reach parts of the island cuz the roads and bridges were destroyed or covered in fallen trees and landslides. And with communications down, with no phone lines and almost all cellphone towers wiped out, nobody could get a hold anyone from those municipalities to ascertain what the situation was there, how to reach them or what they could do to help. Hopefully we'll get better leadership now that people are waking up to our major political parties corruption and ineffectiveness, and are starting to look into other alternatives.

Greetings!

Geesus, my friend! You sound very well aquainted with mind-boggling corruption and inefficiency. Even government and bureaucratic *incompetence* So frustrating!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: deadDMwalking on January 12, 2021, 07:11:00 PM
(B) he has constantly defended a position of 'Discrimination is ok, as long as the target is not a "legally, protected class"'

You know, it's funny, but that's almost the literal definition used by insurance companies. 

Charge you more because teen men are reckless drivers compared to teen females - they do it every day.  Charge you more because you're younger or VERY OLD?  As long as they're not refusing to hire you, that type of discrimination is okay. 

And of course, many clubs and associations have membership rules (like being male) that are allowed. 

Where discrimination becomes a problem is when the objective is specifically to be exclusionary. 

Setting that aside, Five Thirty Eight (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-much-danger-is-american-democracy-in/) had a chat about how much danger our Democracy was in.  There is a chart titled 'V-Dem's 'illiberalism index' shows Republican party has retreated from upholding democratic norms'. 

Bearing in mind that this is data driven and you can dissect the data (available from their site (https://www.v-dem.net/en/)) I think this jives with my lived experience.  On this site there are a lot of people who claim that Democrats are the threat to Democracy, but they're the ones that have been using electoral majorities to affect change.  Many of the institutional advantages favor Republicans (ie, Rural states have more per capita representation in the Senate than urban States -  Wyoming has the same influence as California despite having 1/70th the population), so while you could claim that Democracy has been 'unfair', Republicans seem surprisingly willing to abandon Democracy as the will of the majority seems about to overcome the institutionalized barriers. 

We don't HAVE to have an all or nothing election system.  We could have proportional representation.  There's certainly an argument for that being 'more fair', but that's not something either party has really committed to. 

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 12, 2021, 07:12:47 PM
Do you approve of the smashing in windows, pushing past police, and breaking down doors that forced Congress members to evacuate? Is that just making them uncomfortable, or is it part of the violence that you disapprove of?

When I see liberal-leaning events where they shove police, smash in windows, and loot offices - I never think "Hell yeah". I think "Fuck, this is going wrong."
I think it's wrong, but you didn't ask me so you don't care.
HOWEVER: It was an opportunity for OC DANK MEMES. Gotta appreciate that.
ON THE OTHER-HAND: You don't like memes. YOU have a PhD. Therefore, everyone else is wrong.
Just so you know, I don't care. And if SHARK is smart, he will IGNORE YOUR POST as the BAIT IT IS.
But, you don't care about what I think...

Aw, consolcwby! I'm sorry. I care about *all* the little animals.  ::) 

But seriously, I do appreciate that you agree the breaking in was wrong.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 12, 2021, 07:13:34 PM
...and in other news...


Quote
    Ahead of the Ugandan election, we're hearing reports that Internet service providers are being ordered to block social media and messaging apps.

    We strongly condemn internet shutdowns – they are hugely harmful, violate basic human rights and the principles of the #OpenInternet.

    — Twitter Public Policy (@Policy) January 12, 2021

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Access to information and freedom of expression, including the public conversation on Twitter, is never more important than during democratic processes, particularly elections.#UgandaDecides2021 #KeepItOn https://t.co/Q2SJfsFUiD

    — Twitter Public Policy (@Policy) January 12, 2021


 ???  :o
Man, I am so confused...

 ;)

Greetings!

OMG! Damn, Moonsweeper! The monstrous hypocrisy of the fucking Liberals is stupefying. Poor Twitter! ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 12, 2021, 07:25:22 PM
Yeah, damn right I was excited, and enthusiastic, Jhkim. It was amazing to see, especially live like that, with so many people there.

I also note that of the people I saw--no one was armed, and there wasn't any real violence going on aside from *some* wrestling and pushing with police officers, in some areas. Other areas, the police weren't doing anything. None the less, I did not want anyone to be assaulted, or killed, whether patriots, police, or whoever. Nothing inconsistent at all.

As AOC declared, "Protests are uncomfortable. People should be forced to be uncomfortable." *paraphrasing* So, again, was it appropriate for people to march, and wave flags, and scream, and make the fat, elitist and corrupt politicians listen to angry citizens, even if they were made *uncomfortable*? Well, fuck yeah. Why not?

Do you approve of the smashing in windows, pushing past police, and breaking down doors that forced Congress members to evacuate? Is that just making them uncomfortable, or is it part of the violence that you disapprove of?

When I see liberal-leaning events where they shove police, smash in windows, and loot offices - I never think "Hell yeah". I think "Fuck, this is going wrong."
I think it's wrong, but you didn't ask me so you don't care.
HOWEVER: It was an opportunity for OC DANK MEMES. Gotta appreciate that.
ON THE OTHER-HAND: You don't like memes. YOU have a PhD. Therefore, everyone else is wrong.
Just so you know, I don't care. And if SHARK is smart, he will IGNORE YOUR POST as the BAIT IT IS.
But, you don't care about what I think...

Greetings!

Welcome back, my friend! Good to see you! Yeah, the flame wars can be fun, though I get bored after awhile.

I don't think breaking into the Capital building was wise, and rioting isn't generally wise or beneficial, either. Even more so when such is unorganized, and directionless. The capital riot wasn't going to accomplish anything meaningful. Context and nuance are important concepts, but are generally entirely lost on moron slugs that have room-temperature IQ's.

However, perhaps the entire riot was merely a pretext so as to facilitate several Special Forces members getting inside and taking possession of Pelosi's laptop...with who knows what incriminating information and secrets within? Such information could no doubt be very valuable to some people. ;)

I believe in being a law-abiding citizen. Chaos and savagery is no doubt coming to America, and it is the corrupt, Marxist Democrats that are responsible. They love globalism, and tyranny, and mindless group-think. They love seeing themselves as the creme elite, ruling over the impoverished masses. They love totalitarianism, gulags, censorship, and oppression. That is exactly what all of these scum are doing in our country right now. Opening that fucking door. Well, they shouldn't be surprised when the unwashed masses rise up and bite back.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: moonsweeper on January 12, 2021, 07:37:42 PM
(B) he has constantly defended a position of 'Discrimination is ok, as long as the target is not a "legally, protected class"'

You know, it's funny, but that's almost the literal definition used by insurance companies. 

Charge you more because teen men are reckless drivers compared to teen females - they do it every day.  Charge you more because you're younger or VERY OLD?  As long as they're not refusing to hire you, that type of discrimination is okay. 

And of course, many clubs and associations have membership rules (like being male) that are allowed. 

Where discrimination becomes a problem is when the objective is specifically to be exclusionary. 

Setting that aside, Five Thirty Eight (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-much-danger-is-american-democracy-in/) had a chat about how much danger our Democracy was in.  There is a chart titled 'V-Dem's 'illiberalism index' shows Republican party has retreated from upholding democratic norms'. 

Bearing in mind that this is data driven and you can dissect the data (available from their site (https://www.v-dem.net/en/)) I think this jives with my lived experience.  On this site there are a lot of people who claim that Democrats are the threat to Democracy, but they're the ones that have been using electoral majorities to affect change.  Many of the institutional advantages favor Republicans (ie, Rural states have more per capita representation in the Senate than urban States -  Wyoming has the same influence as California despite having 1/70th the population), so while you could claim that Democracy has been 'unfair', Republicans seem surprisingly willing to abandon Democracy as the will of the majority seems about to overcome the institutionalized barriers. 

We don't HAVE to have an all or nothing election system.  We could have proportional representation.  There's certainly an argument for that being 'more fair', but that's not something either party has really committed to.

Well I really don't like insurance companies, either...so whatever.



You do realize the House of Representatives is the 'proportional representation' part of the legislature and the Senate is the 'all individual states have equal representation' portion, right?

If the founding setup favors the 'Republicans' over the 'Democrats' in some way, that kind of shoots your whole 'Republicans' are actually the threat narrative doesn't it?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 12, 2021, 07:47:37 PM
I'm not sure polls mean anything anymore.

Polls have proven to be bs but Trump has a really effective cult of personality going.  All revolutionary movements have a supreme leader.  I personally think his enemies will destroy him in the end and the movement will fizzle out.  I don’t think another person could muster the charisma to keep it going as strongly.

Polls have been reasonably accurate when Trump isn't on the ballot (e.g., 2018); on the ballot, he does seem to call forth supporters that polls cannot find in advance. The failings ended up more in the downballot races in the recent election, where Trump's extra turnout helped Republicans and Trump himself did not hurt them; although barely and by less than polled, Democrats took the Presidency and Senate and held the House. FiveThirtyEight's final presidential forecast was right for all but Florida (an actual polling failure with Hispanic voters), North Carolina and Maine's 2nd District, which varied from 31% to 43% likely to go for Trump.

But Trump's popularity is going down, as shown in the FiveThirtyEight.com polling averages (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/); And Rasmussen is biased to Republicans and not a very high quality pollster. Not sure that polls over multiple days around then would capture a significant trend yet; anyone could find a Trump video on Wednesday or Thursday that said what they wanted to hear: love the rioters and the election was stolen,  or Biden will take office and lawbreakers will pay.

EDIT: I should add that I'm suspicious of polling, just because who answers their telephone any more if they don't recognize the caller? I answered a lot of junk calls over the past year to get polled only a few times; I expect most people won't take the trouble.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: consolcwby on January 12, 2021, 08:12:03 PM
Yeah, damn right I was excited, and enthusiastic, Jhkim. It was amazing to see, especially live like that, with so many people there.

I also note that of the people I saw--no one was armed, and there wasn't any real violence going on aside from *some* wrestling and pushing with police officers, in some areas. Other areas, the police weren't doing anything. None the less, I did not want anyone to be assaulted, or killed, whether patriots, police, or whoever. Nothing inconsistent at all.

As AOC declared, "Protests are uncomfortable. People should be forced to be uncomfortable." *paraphrasing* So, again, was it appropriate for people to march, and wave flags, and scream, and make the fat, elitist and corrupt politicians listen to angry citizens, even if they were made *uncomfortable*? Well, fuck yeah. Why not?

Do you approve of the smashing in windows, pushing past police, and breaking down doors that forced Congress members to evacuate? Is that just making them uncomfortable, or is it part of the violence that you disapprove of?

When I see liberal-leaning events where they shove police, smash in windows, and loot offices - I never think "Hell yeah". I think "Fuck, this is going wrong."
I think it's wrong, but you didn't ask me so you don't care.
HOWEVER: It was an opportunity for OC DANK MEMES. Gotta appreciate that.
ON THE OTHER-HAND: You don't like memes. YOU have a PhD. Therefore, everyone else is wrong.
Just so you know, I don't care. And if SHARK is smart, he will IGNORE YOUR POST as the BAIT IT IS.
But, you don't care about what I think...

Greetings!

Welcome back, my friend! Good to see you! Yeah, the flame wars can be fun, though I get bored after awhile.

I don't think breaking into the Capital building was wise, and rioting isn't generally wise or beneficial, either. Even more so when such is unorganized, and directionless. The capital riot wasn't going to accomplish anything meaningful. Context and nuance are important concepts, but are generally entirely lost on moron slugs that have room-temperature IQ's.

However, perhaps the entire riot was merely a pretext so as to facilitate several Special Forces members getting inside and taking possession of Pelosi's laptop...with who knows what incriminating information and secrets within? Such information could no doubt be very valuable to some people. ;)
Yes. I would like to think that as well.  However, the opposite may also be true. The problem with the situation is thus: We don't REALLY know the who the why and the reason. By faith I agree with you. The black pill part of me though thinks the worst. Antifa/BLM or CCP has it for blackmail purposes. I would say the Squad, but I doubt they're actually that intelligent to pull something like that off. Amazingly, I want to find more answers but I'm not deep-diving in this particular aspect. Useful information is hard to come by nowadays, as you are well aware.

I believe in being a law-abiding citizen. Chaos and savagery is no doubt coming to America, and it is the corrupt, Marxist Democrats that are responsible. They love globalism, and tyranny, and mindless group-think. They love seeing themselves as the creme elite, ruling over the impoverished masses. They love totalitarianism, gulags, censorship, and oppression. That is exactly what all of these scum are doing in our country right now. Opening that fucking door. Well, they shouldn't be surprised when the unwashed masses rise up and bite back.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
I'll tell you the reason why I didn't want you to answer this part of Mr. Kim's question:
---------------
I understand, for the past decade ~ in particular the last few years ~ you have been arguing principles over emotion, and recently due to forced-confinement and mandatory restrictions, you have allowed your own emotions to cloud your judgement. This is the excuse of ANTIFA and BLM: The disenfranchisement and killing of innocent people MUST BE STOPPED even by ANY MEANS NECESSARY. That is why Mr. Kim asked, because no matter HOW you answer, you ARE WRONG. If you say the violence isn't justified he can point to your emotional in-the-moment response. If you say violence is justified he can point to your hypocrisy in calling out hypocrites. You can't win because YOU BECAME EMOTIONAL. And he can throw your OWN WORDS back in your face. This is meant as a means to vilify. discredit, and make an example out of you, using you as a way to demoralize those who trust ~ not only you ~ but also the military. He takes the high road, and thereby takes control of a narrative that he is helping MSM/SM to push. He is an academic, and therefore dangerous misinformation is believed by himself and his echo chambers. My advice?
Be more careful.
Honestly, I have no respect for him or the others of his ilk. I know the enemy's plan. I understand why the plan exists and I know the 'good intentions' behind the plan.
Unfortunately, the BASIS of the plan is full of shit.
Consider: Are you and I outing THEM? Or are they outing US?
My fate is already decided. Your's is not.
Just take more care!
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Brad on January 12, 2021, 08:31:10 PM
Since the commentary thread is locked, just gonna say Tubesockarmy can suck a dick. I didn’t “cry to the mods”, jackass, I’m merely pointed out you’re an immense SJW fucktard.

Further, the level of hypocrisy exhibited by the usual suspects is incredible, but expected. MSM and loser politicians have brainwashed the leftists really good; I think even Stalin would be impressed. Anyone who cannot see what’s actually going on is in for a rude awakening fairly soon. If you trust a word anyone in Washington says your IQ is probably in the single digits. Trump did everyone a great service by exposing the swamp; if you say “yeah but MY guy isn’t like that!” I got some bad news for you...

Anyway, when I was a kid we made fun of politicians and lawyers as lying scumbags, sometime in the past ten years they were held to a level of esteem I’ve never seen, and now if you have a D after your name, might as well make a feast day to celebrate your sainthood. It’s incredible how retarded the leftists are, especially the “educated” ones., and even more incredible they’re so deluded they will ignore anything that doesn’t precisely line up with the narrative they’ve been fed. Democrats say the sun rises in the west? Well you’re a moron if you say it’s the east because cardinal directions were invented by a white male which means they’re oppressive. Wish that example was a joke, but I’ve read 1984, I know how this story ends.

In  closing, none of this has to do with gaming, but oddly enough it most certainly does. “They’re not gonna come for you’re books!” You sure your that?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Mistwell on January 12, 2021, 08:36:30 PM

There's that, and there's this:

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

Trump's approval rating went up the day after the mostly peaceful acts of Nazi terrorist patriotism in the Capitol. Just a point, but it still went up, and his approval rating is as high as it's ever been.

I'm not sure polls mean anything anymore.

That's bullshit Pat. Not the poll you linked to, but your attempt to claim that a poll about what happened at the Capital is the same as how people feel about Trump. I didn't say anything about Trump. I said supporting the people who stormed the Capital puts you in the extreme minority, and your poll does not speak to that issue at all.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 12, 2021, 08:59:05 PM
Do you approve of the smashing in windows, pushing past police, and breaking down doors that forced Congress members to evacuate? Is that just making them uncomfortable, or is it part of the violence that you disapprove of?

When I see liberal-leaning events where they shove police, smash in windows, and loot offices - I never think "Hell yeah". I think "Fuck, this is going wrong."

I don't think breaking into the Capital building was wise, and rioting isn't generally wise or beneficial, either. Even more so when such is unorganized, and directionless. The capital riot wasn't going to accomplish anything meaningful. Context and nuance are important concepts, but are generally entirely lost on moron slugs that have room-temperature IQ's.

Thanks, SHARK. It's good to hear that, and I agree. Maybe you were emotionally cheering at the time - as consolcwby suggests - but it sounds like you now think it was wrong. Getting emotional and/or changing one's opinion isn't a crime. If someone gets emotional and says something, and then later on admits it and corrects themselves - that's being mature and wise, in my opinion.

Where I still may disagree is how you call it out for being unorganized and directionless. Is there some sort of organized and well-directed action that you would have approved of at the Capitol on January 6? What would that have been?

To my mind, a big non-violent demonstration outside the Capitol would have been both wiser and more ethical.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: consolcwby on January 12, 2021, 09:02:58 PM
HERE COMES THE DESPAIR:
========================
PBS Lawyer Is Now CANCELED:
https://twitter.com/MatthewKeysLive/status/1349059560946888705
https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1349023335628288006

The Call For ROUND-UPS Begin Here:
https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1349023204661219335

Senators on No-Fly Lists?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/terrorist-terrorist-democrat-house-homeland-security-chair-wants-gop-senators-ted-cruz-josh-hawley-federal-no-fly-list-audio/
Homeland Security Committee Chair Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) wants to place Republican Senators Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley on the federal “No Fly” list due to the “actions they participated in.”

Mr.Corney Should STFU!
https://www.rawstory.com/james-comey-2649906561/
Former FBI director James Comey described militant supporters of President Donald Trump as “terrorists” and called for charges against all of them for storming the U.S. Capitol.
“It’s important that every last person who entered that Capitol be found and charged,” Comey said. “They need to feel the force of the rule of law, they need to feel the American peoples’ will to make sure that we’re a country that doesn’t accept attacks on our democracy.”

CBS Reports TRUTH?!
https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1348793720846610432

Hmm...
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1349022667085590530
Do people really believe this attack can happen against the President of the United States and nothing will happen?

(https://v1.nitrocdn.com/PtUefQrfncdsWOjilqcqdvGyQbUvpoWC/assets/static/optimized/rev-f43d399/us-west-2:e4b946ea-ffa3-47d3-8497-e187e1ad3b4d/4c2f02e35c116fc196edd51afd09923b.92CB7B3B-D192-4931-BA09-53D85E2E5358.jpeg)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/behind-planned-armed-march-capitol-hill-deep-state-plot/
WARNING! There are several armed protests at state capitols across the country before inaugural ceremonies next week. For the record, these “armed protests” in the coming days ARE NOT sanctioned by the Trump Campaign. Notice there is no organizing group listed on the flyer.

CONSPIRACY THEORY CHAN:
(https://v1.nitrocdn.com/PtUefQrfncdsWOjilqcqdvGyQbUvpoWC/assets/static/optimized/rev-f43d399/system/media_attachments/files/061/753/215/small/49b0fe565bce2b01.jpeg)
check it out:
(https://v1.nitrocdn.com/PtUefQrfncdsWOjilqcqdvGyQbUvpoWC/assets/desktop/source/rev-f43d399/media/4712a921f8f27cbf8e5651ce3d906935.Erj6_FwXAAM5UZ-)https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-addressing-threat-securities-investments-finance-communist-chinese-military-companies/

My Take:
The patriots are now moving all pieces into position to move in on the Deep State. Election fraud, treason, sedition and crimes against humanity have now been completed.Why is Trump waiting to the last moment? He is going to play the Trump card. The Deep State is now panicking, Trump gave them multiple chances to tell the truth and to do the right thing and they didn’t. Now it will all be exposed to the public.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 09:10:15 PM
So at least be honest and say outright that you think you have exclusive rights to being a violent moron.

It's also very rich in irony to say that given that the bread and butter of this board is pointing out how hypocritical the left is, lol.

Its like watching a narrative thrashing around trying desperately to latch on to something.

First it was sexist then homophobic, nazi, right winger, white supremacist, sure I am missing a few and now its trying out hypocrite.

Here is a goody:  Irony.  Mmm, love the taste of a good irony.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 09:14:37 PM
I'm not one of those that's voiced support for violent activities intended to coerce the government of our nation. Unlike yourself, the despicable traitor in our midst that tries to claim he's a bigger patriot than everyone else. You're a sad, silly little man...and maybe a criminal too. I can't wait to see!

If you want to see Happydaze jump, just let him know about an unmasked traitor I mean citizen trying to go about their mundane life.

Then its all tasers and pepper spray.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 09:16:32 PM
The math will sort itself out.

Personally I dont want to be doing things like flying in a Plane while we wait for the math to sort itself out.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: GameDaddy on January 12, 2021, 09:19:29 PM

However, perhaps the entire riot was merely a pretext so as to facilitate several Special Forces members getting inside and taking possession of Pelosi's laptop...with who knows what incriminating information and secrets within? Such information could no doubt be very valuable to some people. ;)

I believe in being a law-abiding citizen. Chaos and savagery is no doubt coming to America, and it is the corrupt, Marxist Democrats that are responsible. They love globalism, and tyranny, and mindless group-think. They love seeing themselves as the creme elite, ruling over the impoverished masses. They love totalitarianism, gulags, censorship, and oppression. That is exactly what all of these scum are doing in our country right now. Opening that fucking door. Well, they shouldn't be surprised when the unwashed masses rise up and bite back.

Oh, you didn't hear?... I was over reading Pravda the other day, and their was an article about the Moldavian that went something like this:

"She's not one of us, She's Moldavian, and we would never ever admit a Moldavian into the SVR or the FSB."   

They were talking about a Russian woman that was arrested in the Capitol on January 6th who spoke only Russian and required a translator in order for her arrest to be processed. My eyebrows instantly went up on that article of denial, cause I hadn't heard anything about it until Pravda confessed about the incident. Pretty sure if she made it to Pelosi's office, she got Pelosi's laptop and handed it off, and was probably cruisin' for more goodies when the lockdown went into effect, Lol!  Also that article wasn't in the English version of Pravda, it was on the Russki pages in Russian.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 12, 2021, 09:35:26 PM
I said supporting the people who stormed the Capital puts you in the extreme minority...
You did? Where? Because this is the first I've heard you say it. Probably because I never said anything on the topic.

You posted a link showing how many people disapprove of something that's been widely blamed on Trump. I posted a poll showing that Trump's approval rating went up, after the same event. They're not measuring the same thing, but they're very much related, and together they suggest a disconnect.

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 09:40:58 PM
First it was sexist then homophobic, nazi, right winger, white supremacist, sure I am missing a few and now its trying out hypocrite.

You actually said all that? Oh my. Good thing I haven't, lol.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 09:49:23 PM
Your “lets be honest” is a cardboard caricature; all it does is identify the level of complexity you can handle.  Things aren’t quite that simple.  You, yourself, apply different standards to varying circumstances every day of your life.

I’m not the board, and find the fascination with left hypocrisy a waste of time.  I use it sparingly, to discredit, when I’m playing to a neutral audience who would be sympathetic to the argument.  But no, I don’t get worked up over leftists behaving in accordance with all of their beliefs. 

Most hypocrisy arguments, when made from a genuine disgust, are made by those who are unwilling to come to grips with what the target of their argument really is, as opposed to what they wish them to be.

So bruh, what's your actual position on BLM violence and the right wing violence? I mean, other than not wanting hypocrites to be called hypocrites unless you happen to agree with it?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 09:50:52 PM
First it was sexist then homophobic, nazi, right winger, white supremacist, sure I am missing a few and now its trying out hypocrite.

You actually said all that? Oh my. Good thing I haven't, lol.

Most people would not believe you, but I do.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 09:52:31 PM
You'd have to because you wouldn't find any instances of me saying that in the context of these riots/attacks, lol.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Daztur on January 12, 2021, 09:59:13 PM
My Take:
The patriots are now moving all pieces into position to move in on the Deep State. Election fraud, treason, sedition and crimes against humanity have now been completed.Why is Trump waiting to the last moment? He is going to play the Trump card. The Deep State is now panicking, Trump gave them multiple chances to tell the truth and to do the right thing and they didn’t. Now it will all be exposed to the public.

This is the bit that gets me.

I've heard a thousand complaints about election fraud over the years and the lazy Whataboutism that this thread is full of is pretty standard all around the world and all over the political spectrum. That's nothing new, just a bit dumber and more strident.

But this kind of messianic belief is really something new. The idea that Trump will magically fart rainbows and all the pieces will suddenly fall into place and there'll be the Day of the Rope and all the good little "patriots" will get to live happily ever after without actually having to do anything.

I never used to see that sort of thing even in the most batshit conspiracy circles but now it's all over the place. And it's just bizarre. That sort of elaborate masterplan that has been planned for years in advance and then sprung perfectly in the last second is something that has just never happened in all of history. Humans don't work that way.

And of course Trump will do sweet fuck-all during inauguration except whine a bit and then the goal posts will be moved again. Now it'll be a clever plan to give Biden a chance to be a fake president for a little while and then, then, when Biden has shown everyone his evil for all the world to see the trap will spring shut! Just wait a bit more! Trust the plan! And then that won't happen and the goal posts will get moved again... and again... and again...

Ye gods, this is dumber than the Jehovah's Witnesses. At least they wait a few years before making a new prediction about when the Promised Day is occuring.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 10:04:23 PM
Why expect anything else from a QAnus dumbass who hangs out at 4chan?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 10:13:51 PM
You'd have to because you wouldn't find any instances of me saying that in the context of these riots/attacks, lol.

I see, so in the context of these riots, between the hours of 2am to 4am, on the 4th of January 2020, you never said any instance of your typical moronic platitudes?

I mean I believe you.

You should probably tell us again though just to confirm the lack of the evidence of you saying these things.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Daztur on January 12, 2021, 10:17:35 PM
Why expect anything else from a QAnus dumbass who hangs out at 4chan?

Yeah but it's kind of interesting from a sociological perspective. My brother is a Truther and a bit of a tankie so I get treated to his rants about that or ancient Egyptians with freaking laser beams or whatever whenever he's drunk so most of this stupid crap is nothing new to me. Pretty much all of Q stuff is recycled crap from decades or even centuries ago with a new paint job. This stuff goes back to the dawn of American history: harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics and keeps on cropping up over and over again in different guises.

It's the Millenarianism that really sets Q apart (and which is especially stupid). The idea of a promised day when all will be set right with a specific date given. That's more fringe religion than normal politics. Even freaking Nazis didn't do stuff like that. They knew they'd have to take power in the normal way and then destroy their political opponents in the normal way and then set out to do that. No bizarre Promised Day at all that I can remember from my history reading.

I guess I should appreciate Q. He's inculcated a lot of fascists with the idea that they should just sit back and trust the plan. I'd rather have fascists sitting around with their thumbs up their butts waiting for a Storm that never comes than fascists going out murdering people. I just wonder how many times the Qtards can stand to have the the goalposts moved again and be given get ANOTHER day for when the Storm is really coming (for real this time) before it manages to pierce through their thick skulls that the whole thing is bullshit. They can't keep on stringing themselves along forever, can they? What happens then?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 10:22:09 PM
You'd have to because you wouldn't find any instances of me saying that in the context of these riots/attacks, lol.

I see, so in the context of these riots, between the hours of 2am to 4am, on the 4th of January 2020, you never said any instance of your typical moronic platitudes?

I mean I believe you.

You should probably tell us again though just to confirm the lack of the evidence of you saying these things.

Sure. thank you, bruh.

I'd also believe you if you said you never used the n-word to describe BLM rioters in the last 30 minutes. I'll back you up if anyone doesn't believe you.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 12, 2021, 10:36:13 PM
I said supporting the people who stormed the Capital puts you in the extreme minority...
You did? Where? Because this is the first I've heard you say it. Probably because I never said anything on the topic.

::)  Pat, it's not always about Pat. Mistwell's "you" looks to be generic, as in "if you support the people who stormed the Capitol then you are in the extreme minority". He conveyed exactly that through the polling numbers about approval of that riot, but the "you" in that post might have been a generic person or specific to Spinachcat, to whom he was replying (and to whom he might still be referring, although it seems unlikely to me). Which you (Pat) presumably read since you (Pat) replied to that post. (The "your" in "your poll" which you omitted is you (Pat), by context, though.)

And he really didn't talk about Trump approval, only about people who don't trust the election results. Trump approval is going to be more stable, since supporters and detractors alike are going to look at Trump over a much longer period of time. Finding a more stable statistic to rebut the opinions of current events (last week's riot, the election of just over two months ago) looks like cherry picking.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 12, 2021, 10:43:41 PM
My Take:
The patriots are now moving all pieces into position to move in on the Deep State. Election fraud, treason, sedition and crimes against humanity have now been completed.Why is Trump waiting to the last moment? He is going to play the Trump card. The Deep State is now panicking, Trump gave them multiple chances to tell the truth and to do the right thing and they didn’t. Now it will all be exposed to the public.

This is the bit that gets me.

I've heard a thousand complaints about election fraud over the years and the lazy Whataboutism that this thread is full of is pretty standard all around the world and all over the political spectrum. That's nothing new, just a bit dumber and more strident.

But this kind of messianic belief is really something new.

(https://markhumphrys.com/Bitmaps/obama.36.jpg)
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Daztur on January 12, 2021, 10:47:57 PM
My Take:
The patriots are now moving all pieces into position to move in on the Deep State. Election fraud, treason, sedition and crimes against humanity have now been completed.Why is Trump waiting to the last moment? He is going to play the Trump card. The Deep State is now panicking, Trump gave them multiple chances to tell the truth and to do the right thing and they didn’t. Now it will all be exposed to the public.

This is the bit that gets me.

I've heard a thousand complaints about election fraud over the years and the lazy Whataboutism that this thread is full of is pretty standard all around the world and all over the political spectrum. That's nothing new, just a bit dumber and more strident.

But this kind of messianic belief is really something new.

(https://markhumphrys.com/Bitmaps/obama.36.jpg)

"Obama is going to be an awesome president!"

and

"The Storm is coming! Trust the plan!"

aren't really the same at all. One is just sucking someone's dick because you think they're awesome. That's normal politics. Normal non-insane Trump supporters do the same thing. It's the idea that there's a specific super special plan that will happen on a specific day and that'll fix everything (i.e. all the Q stuff) that's just insane. Obama groupies never talked about how on a specific day he'd come and arrest all of his enemies and fix everything, just that he'd charm the pants off everyone and make everyone hold hands and sing kumbaya or some bullshit...
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 10:50:00 PM
You'd have to because you wouldn't find any instances of me saying that in the context of these riots/attacks, lol.

I see, so in the context of these riots, between the hours of 2am to 4am, on the 4th of January 2020, you never said any instance of your typical moronic platitudes?

I mean I believe you.

You should probably tell us again though just to confirm the lack of the evidence of you saying these things.

Sure. thank you, bruh.

I'd also believe you if you said you never used the n-word to describe BLM rioters in the last 30 minutes. I'll back you up if anyone doesn't believe you.

Nigger, I never go more then 30 seconds without saying nigger.

Or are we talking about a different N word.  Help a brother out nigger.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 10:52:26 PM
well, I can certify you didn't say it in the 30 minutes before that!

I can't certify that you didn't any other racist language about other groups prior to that, though.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 10:54:33 PM
Remember that time when people decided that they wanted everyone else to be consistent with their beliefs?

Oh wait that was Tuesday

So who here are you claiming has been inconsistent in their beliefs? I'll nominate SHARK, with his posts:

We could be worried about posters like SHARK with their inconsistent beliefs.  I mean sure that is certainly something that ranks in the things that we could be worried about.

Or we could be worried about Nancy Pelosi committing treason 2 seconds after accusing Trump of committing treason.

I dont know if she would survive 20 years at Guantanamo Bay, so she should probably make a plea deal.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 12, 2021, 10:55:27 PM
well, I can certify you didn't say it in the 30 minutes before that!

I can't certify that you didn't any other racist language about other groups prior to that, though.

All my language is racist.

Edit:  Well that is not true, some of it is sexist.  How can you be racist against boobs?  Its unpossible.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 12, 2021, 10:57:19 PM
"Obama is going to be an awesome president!"

and

"The Storm is coming! Trust the plan!"

aren't really the same at all. One is just sucking someone's dick because you think they're awesome. That's normal politics. Normal non-insane Trump supporters do the same thing. It's the idea that there's a specific super special plan that will happen on a specific day and that'll fix everything (i.e. all the Q stuff) that's just insane. Obama groupies never talked about how on a specific day he'd come and arrest all of his enemies and fix everything, just that he'd charm the pants off everyone and make everyone hold hands and sing kumbaya or some bullshit...

I think the precedent was set when so many pundits and media personalities and even the sitting president said Trump didn't have a chance in hell of winning the election, and leaned into the ridicule. And then the "unthinkable" happened, and Trump won, and his opposition lost their shit over it.
I imagine there's not a few people hoping Trump can pull another rabbit out of his hat.
Personally, I don't think so. Trump got past an entrenched establishment government that had gotten very complacent. They won't let that happen again, and even said as much. From here on in, we're going to get the candidates the government provides for us to choose from.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 12, 2021, 10:59:10 PM
well, I can certify you didn't say it in the 30 minutes before that!

I can't certify that you didn't any other racist language about other groups prior to that, though.

All my language is racist.

If you say so. I saw you use the n-word (https://imgur.com/MA9vwuO), but haven't seen you say 'beaner', 'spic' and other racist stuff in the last hour at least.  I"m inclined to believe you would though, since you admit so!
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: EOTB on January 12, 2021, 11:12:45 PM
Your “lets be honest” is a cardboard caricature; all it does is identify the level of complexity you can handle.  Things aren’t quite that simple.  You, yourself, apply different standards to varying circumstances every day of your life.

I’m not the board, and find the fascination with left hypocrisy a waste of time.  I use it sparingly, to discredit, when I’m playing to a neutral audience who would be sympathetic to the argument.  But no, I don’t get worked up over leftists behaving in accordance with all of their beliefs. 

Most hypocrisy arguments, when made from a genuine disgust, are made by those who are unwilling to come to grips with what the target of their argument really is, as opposed to what they wish them to be.

So bruh, what's your actual position on BLM violence and the right wing violence? I mean, other than not wanting hypocrites to be called hypocrites unless you happen to agree with it?

Both sides have a trolley problem.  And both are likely to pull the switch.  The only person dumber than either side, are those that want to believe neither side faces a trolley problem because they dislike either side making a choice.  And there's a 4th group that arranged for people to be put on the tracks because they like the idea of a world without trolleys. 
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: SHARK on January 13, 2021, 04:54:46 AM
Greetings!

Conservative Resurgence program discusses the implications of the Left's censorship of Conservatives, and the spread of tyranny. Interesting facts and aspects of the DC protest as well.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK


Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 13, 2021, 06:25:45 AM
I said supporting the people who stormed the Capital puts you in the extreme minority...
You did? Where? Because this is the first I've heard you say it. Probably because I never said anything on the topic.

::)  Pat, it's not always about Pat. Mistwell's "you" looks to be generic, as in "if you support the people who stormed the Capitol then you are in the extreme minority". He conveyed exactly that through the polling numbers about approval of that riot, but the "you" in that post might have been a generic person or specific to Spinachcat, to whom he was replying (and to whom he might still be referring, although it seems unlikely to me). Which you (Pat) presumably read since you (Pat) replied to that post. (The "your" in "your poll" which you omitted is you (Pat), by context, though.)

And he really didn't talk about Trump approval, only about people who don't trust the election results. Trump approval is going to be more stable, since supporters and detractors alike are going to look at Trump over a much longer period of time. Finding a more stable statistic to rebut the opinions of current events (last week's riot, the election of just over two months ago) looks like cherry picking.
The you looks specific to me. Confusing posters in a fast-moving thread is pretty easy.

And rebutting what? I didn't refute anything, I provided another data point. That raises a meta issue: The increased partisanship in everything seems to have made tangential or related comments more difficult. The zeitgeist has changed enough that people tend to assume that any reply is an attempted refutation, rather than a comment that expands on something, or adds something new. Mine was kind of in the middle. It didn't directly address the riots, but it did address a related figure, and provided some of what I thought was interesting context. It's weird, if you have a major incident that's widely denounced, and it doesn't seem to affect the reputation of the person who was blamed for it. That could imply several things, and I don't think saying Trump's support is stable answers it entirely, because the disapproval of the happy fun head breaking revolutionary riot in the Capitol is too high -- that has to include a number of Trump supporters. Even if most look at it from a long-term perspective (which I doubt), a small swing would be expected.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 13, 2021, 07:51:37 AM
Your “lets be honest” is a cardboard caricature; all it does is identify the level of complexity you can handle.  Things aren’t quite that simple.  You, yourself, apply different standards to varying circumstances every day of your life.

I’m not the board, and find the fascination with left hypocrisy a waste of time.  I use it sparingly, to discredit, when I’m playing to a neutral audience who would be sympathetic to the argument.  But no, I don’t get worked up over leftists behaving in accordance with all of their beliefs. 

Most hypocrisy arguments, when made from a genuine disgust, are made by those who are unwilling to come to grips with what the target of their argument really is, as opposed to what they wish them to be.

So bruh, what's your actual position on BLM violence and the right wing violence? I mean, other than not wanting hypocrites to be called hypocrites unless you happen to agree with it?

Both sides have a trolley problem.  And both are likely to pull the switch.  The only person dumber than either side, are those that want to believe neither side faces a trolley problem because they dislike either side making a choice.  And there's a 4th group that arranged for people to be put on the tracks because they like the idea of a world without trolleys.

Go on. Define what their trolley problems are, and why that means you can't call a hypocrite a hypocrite (unless, of course, EOTB approves of it).
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 13, 2021, 08:34:43 AM
My Take:
The patriots are now moving all pieces into position to move in on the Deep State. Election fraud, treason, sedition and crimes against humanity have now been completed.Why is Trump waiting to the last moment? He is going to play the Trump card. The Deep State is now panicking, Trump gave them multiple chances to tell the truth and to do the right thing and they didn’t. Now it will all be exposed to the public.

This is the bit that gets me.

I've heard a thousand complaints about election fraud over the years and the lazy Whataboutism that this thread is full of is pretty standard all around the world and all over the political spectrum. That's nothing new, just a bit dumber and more strident.

But this kind of messianic belief is really something new.

(https://markhumphrys.com/Bitmaps/obama.36.jpg)

"Obama is going to be an awesome president!"

and

"The Storm is coming! Trust the plan!"

aren't really the same at all. One is just sucking someone's dick because you think they're awesome. That's normal politics. Normal non-insane Trump supporters do the same thing. It's the idea that there's a specific super special plan that will happen on a specific day and that'll fix everything (i.e. all the Q stuff) that's just insane. Obama groupies never talked about how on a specific day he'd come and arrest all of his enemies and fix everything, just that he'd charm the pants off everyone and make everyone hold hands and sing kumbaya or some bullshit...

Dude, there is exactly just ONE guy in these boards that spouts anything like "Trust the plan!" and many accuse him of being a LARPer. I'm not even sure that he's serious. For most Trump supporters it isn't even about the guy, but the movement that sprang around him. But people still suck Obama's dick despite being demonstrably a horrible President and war criminal second only to George Dubya Bush. They even sucked Bush's dick just cuz he's not Trump, and he's the worst war criminal in US history! THAT's the level of cult mentality that exists in the so-called "Left". It's just not centered around a person, but around their dogmatic ideology.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: sureshot on January 13, 2021, 08:36:57 AM
At this point neither the Left or Right is going to come looking positive as an ideological movement imo. Especially the Left as for years Leftist have been complaining about the behavior of the right and claiming to be better. Yet when it comes down to same shit different goals. To be clear the Left has lost all the moral high ground it had. As long as violence and rioting are done for the approved and carefully constructed personal narrative it's all well and good. Burn Loot and Murder and Thugtifa can harass, attack and even kill and burn down property because the Left approves of it. None of the Leftists here or elsewhere really said anything negative about the actions of both because then it's the old saying one person terrorist is another man freedom fighter.

When the Right does it then suddenly it's not ok because it goes against the narrative and more importantly not from an approved faction like the above. Then when you get called out on your hypocrisy pull shit fits as you all sure as hell don't like it when others do. Neither the Right has made a good showing of itself except I don't expect them to be better. I used to think the Left was but they are just the same with a different coat of paint and beliefs.

The fact that th so called Leftists Champions here did not react badly to Facebook banning people or even Parler shows that as long as their feelings are protected they don't care how much freedom they lose. It's all about priorities am I right mostly it's "reasons and feels". Once one goes down the rabbit hole of censorship where does it fucking stop. But hey who the fuck cares as long as one is protected from contrary opinions it's all that is important.

I may not agree with others say I rather they spew their hate out in the open. Why so they can be monitored and kept on eye. All the Censorship is doing is just making the more radical and dangerous elements go under ground both actually and figuratively making it harder for law enforcement to track them. In the end though many perhaps too many on the Left have show themselves to be nothing more than armchair terrorists and rioters. Their is friends I used to trust with my life who while I remain friends and staunch leftist who close their eyes to the violence as long as it's for the "right" cause. No matter the violence because hey their approved factions get a free pass. Those that are not the approved faction get labelled "domestic terrorists " even when both engage in the same tactics.

In the end keep up the fake innocence and not understanding why your ideological opponents engage in the same tactics you approved of earlier. Blame it on the media because most of you will never admit to the truth.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 13, 2021, 08:50:29 AM
I don't agree with the censoring either. Sheit, not even Angela Merker agreed with it, though for different retarded reasons.

At the same time, I think that it's time for platforms to be responsible for the actual incitements to violence (far-left or far-right). They are pretty good at detecting and shutting down even fair-use of music or other media on their platforms, but they can't do shit about people who shout "FIRE" in a "crowded theater"?

And for the record, I've never defended antifa (https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/unmask-antifa-bill/msg1048448/#msg1048448). I've always felt they should be prosecuted, and that also goes for the other side of the coin in the far right. 
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 13, 2021, 09:20:49 AM
At the same time, I think that it's time for platforms to be responsible for the actual incitements to violence (far-left or far-right). They are pretty good at detecting and shutting down even fair-use of music or other media on their platforms, but they can't do shit about people who shout "FIRE" in a "crowded theater"?

No, online platforms should NOT be responsible for anything anyone posts in their site, and they are NOT good at detecting and shutting down copyrighted material precisely because they consistently shut down fair-use of music and other media. It is not the role of tech companies (or of self-entitled users within their platforms going after people they personally don't like) to make legal determinations about ANYTHING. They're not lawyers, they're not legal scholars or judges or law enforcement and have NO role in the government or legal procedures. These are NOT functions that fall within the purview of fucking monopolistic tech giants. It is not their job and they are not properly equipped to determine whether or not a supposed "tHrEaT oF vIolEnCe" or any other questionable post is legally actionable material. That is the job of the FBI, or equivalent agencies when it comes to users outside of the US. It's supposed to be THEM who make that determination, not our self-appointed tech overlords. That is why section 230 exists, and their insistence on stepping beyond their bounds is precisely why we're on this mess.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 13, 2021, 09:27:17 AM
I had commented earlier on how John Earle Sullivan, last seen shilling and supporting a BLM-Antifa riot in Provo, Utah, seemed just a BIT out of place in DC on 1/6.

Now there's another. Remember the guy with the funky horned headdress?

https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/capitol-antagonist-climate-change/

Yeah, I'm starting to get a distinct feeling of 'agent provocateur' here. I could be wrong, but, y'know, having these guys in the mix is a lot like Mr. Rogers as frontman for GWAR. Doesn't quite fit.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 13, 2021, 09:36:32 AM
At the same time, I think that it's time for platforms to be responsible for the actual incitements to violence (far-left or far-right). They are pretty good at detecting and shutting down even fair-use of music or other media on their platforms, but they can't do shit about people who shout "FIRE" in a "crowded theater"?

No, online platforms should NOT be responsible for anything anyone posts in their site, and they are NOT good at detecting and shutting down copyrighted material precisely because they consistently shut down fair-use of music and other media. It is not the role of tech companies (or of self-entitled users within their platforms going after people they personally don't like) to make legal determinations about ANYTHING. They're not lawyers, they're not legal scholars or judges or law enforcement and have NO role in the government or legal procedures. These are NOT functions that fall within the purview of fucking monopolistic tech giants. It is not their job and they are not properly equipped to determine whether or not a supposed "tHrEaT oF vIolEnCe" or any other questionable post is legally actionable material. That is the job of the FBI, or equivalent agencies when it comes to users outside of the US. It's supposed to be THEM who make that determination, not our self-appointed tech overlords. That is why section 230 exists, and their insistence on stepping beyond their bounds is precisely why we're on this mess.

How should they not be responsible for monitoring what goes on their platforms? Unless you are saying that law enforcement should have people sitting at their desk sifting through YouTube crap.


And you're completely wrong. Their AI is excellent at auto-flagging even melodies played on a guitar that match copyrighted material. They could do the same with people inciting violence.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 13, 2021, 09:44:50 AM
At the same time, I think that it's time for platforms to be responsible for the actual incitements to violence (far-left or far-right). They are pretty good at detecting and shutting down even fair-use of music or other media on their platforms, but they can't do shit about people who shout "FIRE" in a "crowded theater"?

No, online platforms should NOT be responsible for anything anyone posts in their site, and they are NOT good at detecting and shutting down copyrighted material precisely because they consistently shut down fair-use of music and other media. It is not the role of tech companies (or of self-entitled users within their platforms going after people they personally don't like) to make legal determinations about ANYTHING. They're not lawyers, they're not legal scholars or judges or law enforcement and have NO role in the government or legal procedures. These are NOT functions that fall within the purview of fucking monopolistic tech giants. It is not their job and they are not properly equipped to determine whether or not a supposed "tHrEaT oF vIolEnCe" or any other questionable post is legally actionable material. That is the job of the FBI, or equivalent agencies when it comes to users outside of the US. It's supposed to be THEM who make that determination, not our self-appointed tech overlords. That is why section 230 exists, and their insistence on stepping beyond their bounds is precisely why we're on this mess.

How should they not be responsible for monitoring what goes on their platforms? Unless you are saying that law enforcement should have people sitting at their desk sifting through YouTube crap.


And you're completely wrong. Their AI is excellent at auto-flagging even melodies played on a guitar that match copyrighted material. They could do the same with people inciting violence.

If they see something that they BELIEVE might be legally actionable they're supposed to report it to law enforcement and let THEM make the determination. If "concerned" citizens participating within those platforms see something questionable and want to rat out their political adversaries they could do the same. It's not rocket science.

And you're completely wrong. Their AI is excellent at auto-flagging even melodies played on a guitar that match copyrighted material. They could do the same with people inciting violence.

I already explained why algorithmically removing content doesn't work, you fucking retard.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 13, 2021, 09:46:01 AM
I had commented earlier on how John Earle Sullivan, last seen shilling and supporting a BLM-Antifa riot in Provo, Utah, seemed just a BIT out of place in DC on 1/6.

Now there's another. Remember the guy with the funky horned headdress?

https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/capitol-antagonist-climate-change/

Yeah, I'm starting to get a distinct feeling of 'agent provocateur' here. I could be wrong, but, y'know, having these guys in the mix is a lot like Mr. Rogers as frontman for GWAR. Doesn't quite fit.

How do we know that's his sign and that he's not there counter protesting? He's done that at other times:

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/jake-angeli-q-shaman

I am not certain either way. Just want more evidence than a contextless photograph.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 13, 2021, 09:50:47 AM
At the same time, I think that it's time for platforms to be responsible for the actual incitements to violence (far-left or far-right). They are pretty good at detecting and shutting down even fair-use of music or other media on their platforms, but they can't do shit about people who shout "FIRE" in a "crowded theater"?

No, online platforms should NOT be responsible for anything anyone posts in their site, and they are NOT good at detecting and shutting down copyrighted material precisely because they consistently shut down fair-use of music and other media. It is not the role of tech companies (or of self-entitled users within their platforms going after people they personally don't like) to make legal determinations about ANYTHING. They're not lawyers, they're not legal scholars or judges or law enforcement and have NO role in the government or legal procedures. These are NOT functions that fall within the purview of fucking monopolistic tech giants. It is not their job and they are not properly equipped to determine whether or not a supposed "tHrEaT oF vIolEnCe" or any other questionable post is legally actionable material. That is the job of the FBI, or equivalent agencies when it comes to users outside of the US. It's supposed to be THEM who make that determination, not our self-appointed tech overlords. That is why section 230 exists, and their insistence on stepping beyond their bounds is precisely why we're on this mess.

How should they not be responsible for monitoring what goes on their platforms? Unless you are saying that law enforcement should have people sitting at their desk sifting through YouTube crap.


And you're completely wrong. Their AI is excellent at auto-flagging even melodies played on a guitar that match copyrighted material. They could do the same with people inciting violence.

If they see something that they BELIEVE might be legally actionable they're supposed to report it to law enforcement and let THEM make the determination. If "concerned" citizens participating within those platforms see something questionable and want to rat out their political adversaries they could do the same. It's not rocket science.

So you think that this should be handled by people sifting through thousands of Youtube videos, thousands of Facebook posts, etc?

And you're completely wrong. Their AI is excellent at auto-flagging even melodies played on a guitar that match copyrighted material. They could do the same with people inciting violence.

I already explained why algorithmically removing content doesn't work, you fucking retard.

(https://www.generadormemes.com/media/created/1200x675x49thhu2ap4h47d0act3y0mu2bbqkhz6w6h3o95pp25af8ngb7vn9dv11bhq7owb.jpg.pagespeed.ic.meme.jpg)

Did I say they should automatically remove it, pinche pendejo? lol I just said they alaready have the technology to recognize and monitor it.

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 13, 2021, 10:37:31 AM
I already explained why algorithmically removing content doesn't work, you fucking retard.
I love how he assumes that any algorithm won't be skewed by programmers anyways.

It's like how Twitter happily leaves the genocidal blathering of Ayatollah Khamenei up, but God forbid Trump say mean things. Bias is a thing.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: KingCheops on January 13, 2021, 12:10:17 PM
Holy Shit!

Rolling Stone magazine still covers music?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 13, 2021, 12:14:34 PM
Seven days from now, Joseph R. Biden of Delaware will be President of the United States.

The attack on the Capitol Building continues to look worse and worse; the insurrection was coming from within the House. The 14th amendment is probably more in play than the 25th amendment ever was.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/13/mikie-sherrill-reconnaissance-capitol-attack/
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 13, 2021, 12:23:31 PM
::)  Pat, it's not always about Pat. Mistwell's "you" looks to be generic, as in "if you support the people who stormed the Capitol then you are in the extreme minority". He conveyed exactly that through the polling numbers about approval of that riot, but the "you" in that post might have been a generic person or specific to Spinachcat, to whom he was replying (and to whom he might still be referring, although it seems unlikely to me). Which you (Pat) presumably read since you (Pat) replied to that post. (The "your" in "your poll" which you omitted is you (Pat), by context, though.)

And he really didn't talk about Trump approval, only about people who don't trust the election results. Trump approval is going to be more stable, since supporters and detractors alike are going to look at Trump over a much longer period of time. Finding a more stable statistic to rebut the opinions of current events (last week's riot, the election of just over two months ago) looks like cherry picking.
The you looks specific to me. Confusing posters in a fast-moving thread is pretty easy.

Willfully misinterpreting posts to fuel complaints is a trademark Pat move.

Quote
And rebutting what? I didn't refute anything, I provided another data point.
Rather than using a strained segue into a different topic (you (Pat) now claim you intended to discuss something else), how about just posting what you (Pat) want to talk about? You (Pat) wrote:
There's that, and there's this:

Your (Pat's) polling number directly juxtaposed with the polling numbers that Mistwell posted, clearly to rebut that Mistwell's polling numbers were meaningful.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 13, 2021, 12:40:18 PM
::)  Pat, it's not always about Pat. Mistwell's "you" looks to be generic, as in "if you support the people who stormed the Capitol then you are in the extreme minority". He conveyed exactly that through the polling numbers about approval of that riot, but the "you" in that post might have been a generic person or specific to Spinachcat, to whom he was replying (and to whom he might still be referring, although it seems unlikely to me). Which you (Pat) presumably read since you (Pat) replied to that post. (The "your" in "your poll" which you omitted is you (Pat), by context, though.)

And he really didn't talk about Trump approval, only about people who don't trust the election results. Trump approval is going to be more stable, since supporters and detractors alike are going to look at Trump over a much longer period of time. Finding a more stable statistic to rebut the opinions of current events (last week's riot, the election of just over two months ago) looks like cherry picking.
The you looks specific to me. Confusing posters in a fast-moving thread is pretty easy.

Willfully misinterpreting posts to fuel complaints is a trademark Pat move.

Quote
And rebutting what? I didn't refute anything, I provided another data point.
Rather than using a strained segue into a different topic (you (Pat) now claim you intended to discuss something else), how about just posting what you (Pat) want to talk about? You (Pat) wrote:
There's that, and there's this:

Your (Pat's) polling number directly juxtaposed with the polling numbers that Mistwell posted, clearly to rebut that Mistwell's polling numbers were meaningful.
And you're back to blatantly lying about me, you odious little troll.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 13, 2021, 01:40:16 PM
At the same time, I think that it's time for platforms to be responsible for the actual incitements to violence (far-left or far-right). They are pretty good at detecting and shutting down even fair-use of music or other media on their platforms, but they can't do shit about people who shout "FIRE" in a "crowded theater"?

No, online platforms should NOT be responsible for anything anyone posts in their site, and they are NOT good at detecting and shutting down copyrighted material precisely because they consistently shut down fair-use of music and other media. It is not the role of tech companies (or of self-entitled users within their platforms going after people they personally don't like) to make legal determinations about ANYTHING. They're not lawyers, they're not legal scholars or judges or law enforcement and have NO role in the government or legal procedures. These are NOT functions that fall within the purview of fucking monopolistic tech giants. It is not their job and they are not properly equipped to determine whether or not a supposed "tHrEaT oF vIolEnCe" or any other questionable post is legally actionable material. That is the job of the FBI, or equivalent agencies when it comes to users outside of the US. It's supposed to be THEM who make that determination, not our self-appointed tech overlords. That is why section 230 exists, and their insistence on stepping beyond their bounds is precisely why we're on this mess.

How should they not be responsible for monitoring what goes on their platforms? Unless you are saying that law enforcement should have people sitting at their desk sifting through YouTube crap.


And you're completely wrong. Their AI is excellent at auto-flagging even melodies played on a guitar that match copyrighted material. They could do the same with people inciting violence.

If they see something that they BELIEVE might be legally actionable they're supposed to report it to law enforcement and let THEM make the determination. If "concerned" citizens participating within those platforms see something questionable and want to rat out their political adversaries they could do the same. It's not rocket science.

So you think that this should be handled by people sifting through thousands of Youtube videos, thousands of Facebook posts, etc?

Yes.

The immediate necessity to purge every single instance of anyone saying something that could possibly, MAAAYBE be construed as theoretically "inciting" violence (according to someone's subjective interpretation of it) or some other objectionable material is the fevered dream of demented imbeciles who feel the need to control absolutely, positively EVERYTHING. We don't NEED to police every single instance of someone telling someone else to "KYS retard, lol" in social media. It's NEUROTIC.

If it's so egregious someone feels the need to do something they can just report it (and even then that tends to lead to bans for completely harmless wrongthink or edgyspeak). But if no one saw it and no one was upset it doesn't fucking matter. We don't need to scour the internet for every instance of someone failing to toe the line.

And you're completely wrong. Their AI is excellent at auto-flagging even melodies played on a guitar that match copyrighted material. They could do the same with people inciting violence.

I already explained why algorithmically removing content doesn't work, you fucking retard.

(https://www.generadormemes.com/media/created/1200x675x49thhu2ap4h47d0act3y0mu2bbqkhz6w6h3o95pp25af8ngb7vn9dv11bhq7owb.jpg.pagespeed.ic.meme.jpg)

Did I say they should automatically remove it, pinche pendejo? lol I just said they alaready have the technology to recognize and monitor it.

Dude, I'm Puerto Rican, not Mexican. Das waycist, yo!  :o

We don't even use the word "pinche" here. We'd just probably say "Canto 'e pedenjo!", or maybe "Jodio fuckin' pendejo!", "Canto 'e fuckin' pedenjo!" or something like that.

I already explained why algorithmically removing content doesn't work, you fucking retard.
I love how he assumes that any algorithm won't be skewed by programmers anyways.

It's like how Twitter happily leaves the genocidal blathering of Ayatollah Khamenei up, but God forbid Trump say mean things. Bias is a thing.

Implying that the Ayatollah needs to be banned is deeply Islamophobic, though. But banning Trump for saying that he's supporters will not be disrespected is OK, cuz Orange Man Bad + White Privilege.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: EOTB on January 13, 2021, 01:41:05 PM
Go on. Define what their trolley problems are, and why that means you can't call a hypocrite a hypocrite (unless, of course, EOTB approves of it).

I don’t think so, bruh.  I made a statement that using hypocrisy arguments as direct persuasion was a foolish waste of time, because people don’t care about some rando “shaming” them.  Which is self-evident in the impact your own crying hypocrisy has had here - the exact same big fat zero that all the hypocrisy arguments thrown from here in the direction of RPG.net have had. 

This you’ve twisted into saying you can’t use that rhetoric without my permission.  So don’t ask me for further good-faith explanations on anything else.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: moonsweeper on January 13, 2021, 01:53:09 PM
Holy Shit!

Rolling Stone magazine still covers music?

Well, that issue is 12 years old...
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 13, 2021, 02:42:58 PM
Regarding social media responsibility:

No, online platforms should NOT be responsible for anything anyone posts in their site, and they are NOT good at detecting and shutting down copyrighted material precisely because they consistently shut down fair-use of music and other media. It is not the role of tech companies (or of self-entitled users within their platforms going after people they personally don't like) to make legal determinations about ANYTHING. They're not lawyers, they're not legal scholars or judges or law enforcement and have NO role in the government or legal procedures. These are NOT functions that fall within the purview of fucking monopolistic tech giants. It is not their job and they are not properly equipped to determine whether or not a supposed "tHrEaT oF vIolEnCe" or any other questionable post is legally actionable material. That is the job of the FBI, or equivalent agencies when it comes to users outside of the US. It's supposed to be THEM who make that determination, not our self-appointed tech overlords. That is why section 230 exists, and their insistence on stepping beyond their bounds is precisely why we're on this mess.

What do you think about Trump's calls to remove Section 230 protections for social media?

https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/23/trump-ndaa-veto-section-230/

I'm not sure exactly where I stand on how to reform Section 230, but I do think that it is *not* simply the purview of the FBI and police to handle all lawbreaking. Citizens have a responsibility to report crime and not participate in it.

For example, someone tells me a slanderous rumor about someone else - I then write it up and send it to a newspaper, which prints it. I think both I and the newspaper have some responsibility here - both legally and ethically. Just mindlessly repeating what one is told is wrong. People should be responsible for what they say and publish. That is a standard that newspapers are held to, but social media companies get a special legal loophole.

That said, I'm not eager for social media companies to be the determiners of truth. *If* we give them a legal loophole to avoid responsibility, though, then there need to be strings attached that make the social media more functionally public and allowing of free speech.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 13, 2021, 02:46:54 PM
Go on. Define what their trolley problems are, and why that means you can't call a hypocrite a hypocrite (unless, of course, EOTB approves of it).

I don’t think so, bruh.  I made a statement that using hypocrisy arguments as direct persuasion was a foolish waste of time, because people don’t care about some rando “shaming” them.  Which is self-evident in the impact your own crying hypocrisy has had here - the exact same big fat zero that all the hypocrisy arguments thrown from here in the direction of RPG.net have had. 


So you're admitting that when you cry 'hypocrisy', you've been willfully wasting your time. Got it, bruh.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 13, 2021, 02:53:58 PM
If you say so. I saw you use the n-word (https://imgur.com/MA9vwuO), but haven't seen you say 'beaner', 'spic' and other racist stuff in the last hour at least.  I"m inclined to believe you would though, since you admit so!

Beaner?

What are you, retarded or legitimately brain damaged?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 13, 2021, 02:55:32 PM
If you say so. I saw you use the n-word (https://imgur.com/MA9vwuO), but haven't seen you say 'beaner', 'spic' and other racist stuff in the last hour at least.  I"m inclined to believe you would though, since you admit so!

Beaner?

What are you, retarded or legitimately brain damaged?

You're projecting there. But at least you haven't said 'beaner' in the last 10 minutes.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: EOTB on January 13, 2021, 02:57:14 PM
Go on. Define what their trolley problems are, and why that means you can't call a hypocrite a hypocrite (unless, of course, EOTB approves of it).

I don’t think so, bruh.  I made a statement that using hypocrisy arguments as direct persuasion was a foolish waste of time, because people don’t care about some rando “shaming” them.  Which is self-evident in the impact your own crying hypocrisy has had here - the exact same big fat zero that all the hypocrisy arguments thrown from here in the direction of RPG.net have had. 



So you're admitting that when you cry 'hypocrisy', you've been willfully wasting your time. Got it, bruh.

Not surprised at all that this is all you could “get” from that. 
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 13, 2021, 02:58:17 PM
Not surprised you can't deal with your own cognitive dissonance, lol.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 13, 2021, 02:58:51 PM
What do you think about Trump's calls to remove Section 230 protections for social media?

https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/23/trump-ndaa-veto-section-230/

I'm not sure exactly where I stand on how to reform Section 230, but I do think that it is *not* simply the purview of the FBI and police to handle all lawbreaking. Citizens have a responsibility to report crime and not participate in it.

For example, someone tells me a slanderous rumor about someone else - I then write it up and send it to a newspaper, which prints it. I think both I and the newspaper have some responsibility here - both legally and ethically. Just mindlessly repeating what one is told is wrong. People should be responsible for what they say and publish. That is a standard that newspapers are held to, but social media companies get a special legal loophole.

That said, I'm not eager for social media companies to be the determiners of truth. *If* we give them a legal loophole to avoid responsibility, though, then there need to be strings attached that make the social media more functionally public and allowing of free speech.
I know you weren't asking me, but my two cents? It was a bad idea. He was flinging the baby out with the bathwater.

Part of the problem with 230, as I understand it, is that there's no real way to determine and enforce it from a negative standpoint. You can't call up the FCC and say 'Twitter is deliberately straddling the publisher / provider line' and have regulators lean on them till they get their head on straight. It only functions as a defense against civil actions, which means it's case by case.

I can understand Trump's frustration, as Big Tech has been nothing less than blatantly obnoxious, but his solution was worse than the disease.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 13, 2021, 03:03:36 PM
The government broke up big oil and ma bell over monopoly issues. Maybe it's time to consider something similar for these social media megacorps.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: EOTB on January 13, 2021, 03:14:33 PM
Not surprised you can't deal with your own cognitive dissonance, lol.

Bruh, I’m not the one starting out my posts with “so what you mean is” and throwing lols around like penny candy at a marti gras parade.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 13, 2021, 03:23:32 PM

Did I say they should automatically remove it, pinche pendejo? lol I just said they alaready have the technology to recognize and monitor it.

Dude, I'm Puerto Rican, not Mexican. Das waycist, yo!  :o

We don't even use the word "pinche" here. We'd just probably say "Canto 'e pedenjo!", or maybe "Jodio fuckin' pendejo!", "Canto 'e fuckin' pedenjo!" or something like that.


Did I say you were Mexican? lol

So you think that this should be handled by people sifting through thousands of Youtube videos, thousands of Facebook posts, etc?

Yes.

The immediate necessity to purge every single instance of anyone saying something that could possibly, MAAAYBE be construed as theoretically "inciting" violence (according to someone's subjective interpretation of it) or some other objectionable material is the fevered dream of demented imbeciles who feel the need to control absolutely, positively EVERYTHING. We don't NEED to police every single instance of someone telling someone else to "KYS retard, lol" in social media. It's NEUROTIC.

If it's so egregious someone feels the need to do something they can just report it (and even then that tends to lead to bans for completely harmless wrongthink or edgyspeak). But if no one saw it and no one was upset it doesn't fucking matter. We don't need to scour the internet for every instance of someone failing to toe the line.

Weeepa! Nice elaborate strawman you've built there, bori bori, pero I have a couple of questions for you. Hope they don't overheat your small brain:

Do you know how to generally distinguish incitement to violence and normal speech? Or are you too much of an asno to tell the difference? Futhermore, does you being too much of a dumbass to distinguish between most normal speech  and incitement to violence mean that it shouldn't be monitored and at least have eyes on it?
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 13, 2021, 03:24:34 PM
Bruh, I’m not the one starting out my posts with “so what you mean is” and throwing lols around like penny candy at a marti gras parade.

No, you're just the one making grand statements you won't back up, lol.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 13, 2021, 03:25:32 PM
Watch out, its a Beaner!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1290434690487218176/DNmKXZQ6_400x400.jpg)
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 13, 2021, 03:27:44 PM
Watch out, its a Beaner!

I can also believe that you haven't called hispanics 'spics' in the last ten minutes, or that you haven't spewed any of your usual dumb shit in that time period. You are on a roll. :)
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 13, 2021, 03:40:01 PM
Watch out, its a Beaner!

I can also believe that you haven't called hispanics 'spics' in the last ten minutes, or that you haven't spewed any of your usual dumb shit in that time period. You are on a roll. :)

Ok, Beaner.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 13, 2021, 03:44:05 PM
Ok, Beaner.

I've never worn a beanie hat in my life, so you most likely mean it in some other way. A-OK!
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: BoxCrayonTales on January 13, 2021, 03:48:01 PM
If the lefties hate America so much, then they should secede.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 13, 2021, 03:52:32 PM
I've never worn a beanie hat in my life, so you most likely mean it in some other way. A-OK!

If you were from South Africa you would be complaining about the blics
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 13, 2021, 03:53:58 PM
I'm not sure exactly where I stand on how to reform Section 230, but I do think that it is *not* simply the purview of the FBI and police to handle all lawbreaking. Citizens have a responsibility to report crime and not participate in it.

For example, someone tells me a slanderous rumor about someone else - I then write it up and send it to a newspaper, which prints it. I think both I and the newspaper have some responsibility here - both legally and ethically. Just mindlessly repeating what one is told is wrong. People should be responsible for what they say and publish. That is a standard that newspapers are held to, but social media companies get a special legal loophole.

That said, I'm not eager for social media companies to be the determiners of truth. *If* we give them a legal loophole to avoid responsibility, though, then there need to be strings attached that make the social media more functionally public and allowing of free speech.
Your standard for spreading of the responsibility for a slanderous rumor would come close to preventing anyone from saying anything negative about anyone else, ever. That would pretty much kill public discussion about people. The internet can be one huge dogpile for one who gets the slightest bit famous just because of the asymmetric number of responses, but we also shouldn't criminalize gossip.

I don't have a clear answer on 230, either, except to say all the proposals seem terrible. The platform vs. publisher distinction is a good one, but requires a lot of thought to implement.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: EOTB on January 13, 2021, 04:27:27 PM
Bruh, I’m not the one starting out my posts with “so what you mean is” and throwing lols around like penny candy at a marti gras parade.

No, you're just the one making grand statements you won't back up, lol.

Fact check: true

All you get is the conclusion 
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 13, 2021, 04:34:54 PM
*Throws many a pearl*
*oink oink oink*
*Realizes you don't throw pearls before swine*
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 13, 2021, 04:57:14 PM
Donald Trump impeached, a second time, for inciting the insurrection discussed in this thread. Ten Republicans overcame the fear gripping so many in their caucus to vote for it.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 13, 2021, 05:00:33 PM
I doubt it will go beyond a symbolic gesture. The Senate will slap it down.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: myleftnut on January 13, 2021, 05:18:56 PM
I doubt it will go beyond a symbolic gesture. The Senate will slap it down.

I think that’s the point.  It’s a political strategy.  They want to force Republicans to vote innocent. 
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 13, 2021, 05:33:35 PM
I know. We'll see if that's a strategy that pays out. I know most sane people are angry at Trump, but this could come across like a political ploy (which for Pelosi, I'm sure it is). It's not going to make people suddenly start voting democratic in droves. Just my two.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 13, 2021, 05:45:43 PM
I know. We'll see if that's a strategy that pays out. I know most sane people are angry at Trump, but this could come across like a political ploy (which for Pelosi, I'm sure it is). It's not going to make people suddenly start voting democratic in droves. Just my two.

My impression was that Bill Clinton's impeachment trial did reduce his approval rating, mostly by keeping testimony about his questionable actions in the news for week after week. Though Clinton was at a very high approval rating at the time the trial started, so the situation is quite different. That also seemed like political theater, in that there was no possibility of getting two-thirds of the Senate. At least with Andrew Johnson, the Senate was very close to confirming impeachment (just one vote short).
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 13, 2021, 05:55:32 PM
Regarding social media responsibility:

No, online platforms should NOT be responsible for anything anyone posts in their site, and they are NOT good at detecting and shutting down copyrighted material precisely because they consistently shut down fair-use of music and other media. It is not the role of tech companies (or of self-entitled users within their platforms going after people they personally don't like) to make legal determinations about ANYTHING. They're not lawyers, they're not legal scholars or judges or law enforcement and have NO role in the government or legal procedures. These are NOT functions that fall within the purview of fucking monopolistic tech giants. It is not their job and they are not properly equipped to determine whether or not a supposed "tHrEaT oF vIolEnCe" or any other questionable post is legally actionable material. That is the job of the FBI, or equivalent agencies when it comes to users outside of the US. It's supposed to be THEM who make that determination, not our self-appointed tech overlords. That is why section 230 exists, and their insistence on stepping beyond their bounds is precisely why we're on this mess.

What do you think about Trump's calls to remove Section 230 protections for social media?

https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/23/trump-ndaa-veto-section-230/

Guy's an idiot who's just repeating what some people said about removing section 230 protections from big tech companies that insist on acting like publishers without looking into what section 230 does. I mean, the guy was a better choice than Biden, but he's not perfect. Section 230 should be reformed so that section 230 still exists, but any company that behaves like publishers lose their protections but the rest of the internet keeps theirs. But outright removing section 230 rather than reforming it would be disastrous for the internet as we know it.

I'm not sure exactly where I stand on how to reform Section 230, but I do think that it is *not* simply the purview of the FBI and police to handle all lawbreaking. Citizens have a responsibility to report crime and not participate in it.

For example, someone tells me a slanderous rumor about someone else - I then write it up and send it to a newspaper, which prints it. I think both I and the newspaper have some responsibility here - both legally and ethically. Just mindlessly repeating what one is told is wrong. People should be responsible for what they say and publish. That is a standard that newspapers are held to, but social media companies get a special legal loophole.

I mean, I'm not hot about people ratting out other people for petty crimes. I'd never call the cops on someone for using drugs, for example. Victimless "crimes" are none of my business as far as I'm concerned. But any serious crimes need to be reported.

The stuff about newspapers is a tricky business, though, cuz it's one thing for some random person to idly speculate about potentially slanderous stuff down the street, or even in social media. It's another thing for a newspaper or other news publishers with broad reach and credibility to just run with it and publish it as fact, as they often seem to do (particularly when discussing broad groups of people, like GamerGate or Trump supporters, as opposed to specific individuals, where "slander" would more properly apply legally speaking from what I understand). People have a right to discuss potentially false or inaccurate stuff, particularly since no one has perfect knowledge of every topic, so they might simply be wrong or just speculating about something. But when "authoritative" sources disseminate false claims to a credulous public it becomes an issue because they may take it as fact. But they might not take as fact something some random anonymous guy told them in social media one time.

That said, I'm not eager for social media companies to be the determiners of truth. *If* we give them a legal loophole to avoid responsibility, though, then there need to be strings attached that make the social media more functionally public and allowing of free speech.

Pretty much agree.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 13, 2021, 06:03:12 PM
Calling for peaceful and law abiding protest is insurrection.
I hope Trump runs again in 2024 and wins, and I hope the populists give the "progressive" Democrats and thier crony Republican allies four years of hell.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Melan on January 13, 2021, 06:06:13 PM
The government broke up big oil and ma bell over monopoly issues. Maybe it's time to consider something similar for these social media megacorps.
Maybe?
Consider???
Now?
Who? What government?! The one who is now enjoying incredible power thanks to these same tech monopolies?

The guys who might have done it hemmed and hawed for four years, while their allies and supporters were hunted down one by one.

Now it is too late. The proverbial "good people" (in this respect, at least) did nothing, and Evil has won. It will be a long, dark night that follows.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 13, 2021, 06:09:01 PM
Donald Trump impeached, a second time, for inciting the insurrection discussed in this thread. Ten Republicans overcame the fear gripping so many in their caucus to vote for it.

I guess that makes Trump the first president in history to have been impeached twice for completely bullshit and baseless reasons fabricated by his political opponents. Democrats will continue to get the world that they have created.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: myleftnut on January 13, 2021, 06:14:50 PM
Reeeemix!
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Mistwell on January 13, 2021, 06:16:45 PM
Holy Shit!

Rolling Stone magazine still covers music?

Of all the unbelievable things said in this thread, that's the most unbelievable.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: VisionStorm on January 13, 2021, 06:19:56 PM

Did I say they should automatically remove it, pinche pendejo? lol I just said they alaready have the technology to recognize and monitor it.

Dude, I'm Puerto Rican, not Mexican. Das waycist, yo!  :o

We don't even use the word "pinche" here. We'd just probably say "Canto 'e pedenjo!", or maybe "Jodio fuckin' pendejo!", "Canto 'e fuckin' pedenjo!" or something like that.


Did I say you were Mexican? lol

So you think that this should be handled by people sifting through thousands of Youtube videos, thousands of Facebook posts, etc?

Yes.

The immediate necessity to purge every single instance of anyone saying something that could possibly, MAAAYBE be construed as theoretically "inciting" violence (according to someone's subjective interpretation of it) or some other objectionable material is the fevered dream of demented imbeciles who feel the need to control absolutely, positively EVERYTHING. We don't NEED to police every single instance of someone telling someone else to "KYS retard, lol" in social media. It's NEUROTIC.

If it's so egregious someone feels the need to do something they can just report it (and even then that tends to lead to bans for completely harmless wrongthink or edgyspeak). But if no one saw it and no one was upset it doesn't fucking matter. We don't need to scour the internet for every instance of someone failing to toe the line.

Weeepa! Nice elaborate strawman you've built there, bori bori, pero I have a couple of questions for you. Hope they don't overheat your small brain:

Do you know how to generally distinguish incitement to violence and normal speech? Or are you too much of an asno to tell the difference? Futhermore, does you being too much of a dumbass to distinguish between most normal speech  and incitement to violence mean that it shouldn't be monitored and at least have eyes on it?

Muthafucka, you can't tell the difference between me being serious or joking, or between me elaborating on a subject or making a StRaWmAn, but you're gonna tell me that a fucking algorithm is gonna do a good job of accomplishing that task? Or that brazenly politically biased tech giants are adequately equipped to distinguish between "acceptable" speech and supposed InCiTeMeNt To ViOlEnCe? You truly are a fucking imbecile.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Mistwell on January 13, 2021, 06:25:43 PM
I doubt it will go beyond a symbolic gesture. The Senate will slap it down.

I am not so sure about that. I used to think that...but no longer.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: ArrozConLeche on January 13, 2021, 06:33:40 PM
Muthafucka, you can't tell the difference between me being serious or joking, or between me elaborating on a subject or making a StRaWmAn, but you're gonna tell me that a fucking algorithm is gonna do a good job of accomplishing that task? Or that brazenly politically biased tech giants are adequately equipped to distinguish between "acceptable" speech and supposed InCiTeMeNt To ViOlEnCe? You truly are a fucking imbecile.

I'd put my money on a COBOL program doing a better job at that than you, for sure, lol. Let me edit that: the smart money says an abacus can do a better job than you at that.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: jhkim on January 13, 2021, 06:42:18 PM
I've submitted to have the social media discussion be a separate thread, but it hasn't been approved yet.

I'm not sure exactly where I stand on how to reform Section 230, but I do think that it is *not* simply the purview of the FBI and police to handle all lawbreaking. Citizens have a responsibility to report crime and not participate in it.

For example, someone tells me a slanderous rumor about someone else - I then write it up and send it to a newspaper, which prints it. I think both I and the newspaper have some responsibility here - both legally and ethically. Just mindlessly repeating what one is told is wrong. People should be responsible for what they say and publish. That is a standard that newspapers are held to, but social media companies get a special legal loophole.

That said, I'm not eager for social media companies to be the determiners of truth. *If* we give them a legal loophole to avoid responsibility, though, then there need to be strings attached that make the social media more functionally public and allowing of free speech.
Your standard for spreading of the responsibility for a slanderous rumor would come close to preventing anyone from saying anything negative about anyone else, ever. That would pretty much kill public discussion about people. The internet can be one huge dogpile for one who gets the slightest bit famous just because of the asymmetric number of responses, but we also shouldn't criminalize gossip.

I don't have a clear answer on 230, either, except to say all the proposals seem terrible. The platform vs. publisher distinction is a good one, but requires a lot of thought to implement.

I am not a lawyer, but my understanding is that spreading responsibility is how the law works already - and in fact, that's how it has been for decades if not centuries. If a newspaper publishes libel about someone, they have some responsibility for what they say. It is only because of Section 230 that Internet publishers are not liable.

https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/immunity-online-publishers-under-communications-decency-act


I mean, I'm not hot about people ratting out other people for petty crimes. I'd never call the cops on someone for using drugs, for example. Victimless "crimes" are none of my business as far as I'm concerned. But any serious crimes need to be reported.

The stuff about newspapers is a tricky business, though, cuz it's one thing for some random person to idly speculate about potentially slanderous stuff down the street, or even in social media. It's another thing for a newspaper or other news publishers with broad reach and credibility to just run with it and publish it as fact, as they often seem to do (particularly when discussing broad groups of people, like GamerGate or Trump supporters, as opposed to specific individuals, where "slander" would more properly apply legally speaking from what I understand). People have a right to discuss potentially false or inaccurate stuff, particularly since no one has perfect knowledge of every topic, so they might simply be wrong or just speculating about something. But when "authoritative" sources disseminate false claims to a credulous public it becomes an issue because they may take it as fact. But they might not take as fact something some random anonymous guy told them in social media one time.

I think it's the opposite. These days, I think social media has far *more* influence over people than newspapers do. That's because it seems personal -- my friend Mike showed me this link, and I trust Mike. And it has a built-in mechanism for reinforcing this with "likes", which gives it an interactive feedback loop. Newspapers are struggling to compete with social media, and a lot of them are being forced to close shop (especially the local ones).

And social media companies strongly influence the content on their platforms. This isn't primarily by banning -- it's by suggesting and increasing visibility of certain content, and decreasing the visibility of other content. And they also do block posts and/or ban people.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 13, 2021, 06:53:17 PM
I doubt it will go beyond a symbolic gesture. The Senate will slap it down.

I am not so sure about that. I used to think that...but no longer.

There's some merit to having the impeachment hanging over Trump in the final days. McConnell has stated that it won't be taken up by the Senate before Biden is inaugurated. Maybe there's an implicit "barring another stunt like the insurrection", maybe not; I hope Trump isn't too sure of the latter.

I hope Trump runs again in 2024 and wins, and I hope the populists give the "progressive" Democrats and thier crony Republican allies four years of hell.

Trump will be back?

From two months ago, so both dated and prescient. "And if you still dissent, I will kill democracy to remain the president."
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 13, 2021, 07:15:57 PM
I guess that makes Trump the first president in history to have been impeached twice for completely bullshit and baseless reasons fabricated by his political opponents. Democrats will continue to get the world that they have created.
Why stop at twice? There's a full week until the inauguration.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 13, 2021, 07:23:32 PM
I've submitted to have the social media discussion be a separate thread, but it hasn't been approved yet.

I'm not sure exactly where I stand on how to reform Section 230, but I do think that it is *not* simply the purview of the FBI and police to handle all lawbreaking. Citizens have a responsibility to report crime and not participate in it.

For example, someone tells me a slanderous rumor about someone else - I then write it up and send it to a newspaper, which prints it. I think both I and the newspaper have some responsibility here - both legally and ethically. Just mindlessly repeating what one is told is wrong. People should be responsible for what they say and publish. That is a standard that newspapers are held to, but social media companies get a special legal loophole.

That said, I'm not eager for social media companies to be the determiners of truth. *If* we give them a legal loophole to avoid responsibility, though, then there need to be strings attached that make the social media more functionally public and allowing of free speech.
Your standard for spreading of the responsibility for a slanderous rumor would come close to preventing anyone from saying anything negative about anyone else, ever. That would pretty much kill public discussion about people. The internet can be one huge dogpile for one who gets the slightest bit famous just because of the asymmetric number of responses, but we also shouldn't criminalize gossip.

I don't have a clear answer on 230, either, except to say all the proposals seem terrible. The platform vs. publisher distinction is a good one, but requires a lot of thought to implement.

I am not a lawyer, but my understanding is that spreading responsibility is how the law works already - and in fact, that's how it has been for decades if not centuries. If a newspaper publishes libel about someone, they have some responsibility for what they say. It is only because of Section 230 that Internet publishers are not liable.

https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/immunity-online-publishers-under-communications-decency-act
There's a big difference between treating a newspaper as a publisher, and treating every backyard gossip who posts on twitter or facebook as a publisher.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 13, 2021, 08:21:08 PM
I doubt it will go beyond a symbolic gesture. The Senate will slap it down.

I am not so sure about that. I used to think that...but no longer.

There's some merit to having the impeachment hanging over Trump in the final days. McConnell has stated that it won't be taken up by the Senate before Biden is inaugurated. Maybe there's an implicit "barring another stunt like the insurrection", maybe not; I hope Trump isn't too sure of the latter.

I hope Trump runs again in 2024 and wins, and I hope the populists give the "progressive" Democrats and thier crony Republican allies four years of hell.

Trump will be back?

From two months ago, so both dated and prescient. "And if you still dissent, I will kill democracy to remain the president."

The social media crackdowns have let Conservatives know that the current media industrial complex is gunning for them. It's not just Trump, but anyone in the way of their narrative. They tightend their grip, and now more voters are going to slip through their fingers.

Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 13, 2021, 08:31:13 PM
Donald Trump impeached, a second time, for inciting the insurrection discussed in this thread. Ten Republicans overcame the fear gripping so many in their caucus to vote for it.

Finally Trump impeached!  Lets see if it will stick this time or just another big nothing burger.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Shasarak on January 13, 2021, 08:35:31 PM
"And if you still dissent, I will kill democracy to remain the president."

Thats a good one, Trump will kill democracy.

I had my money on retarded Beaners.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: consolcwby on January 13, 2021, 10:13:07 PM
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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Eric Swalwell being promoted to House Impeachment Manager instead of being removed from the House Intelligence Committee is proof that Democrats have no problem with the CCP controlling their members. That should tell you everything you need to know about their party.
House Republicans who backed impeachment: Rep. Liz Cheney (WY) Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler (WA) Rep. John Katko (NY) Rep. Adam Kinzinger (IL) Rep. Fred Upton (MI) Rep. Dan Newhouse (WA) Rep. Peter Meijer (MI) Rep. Anthony Gonzalez (OH) Rep. Tom Rice (SC) Rep. David Valadao (CA)

Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO), one of President Trump’s most vocal defenders, has been locked out of her Twitter account until inauguration day.
YouTube announced it is suspending the channel of President Trump for a minimum of one week for posting an unspecified video the tech giant accused of “inciting violence.” The video was taken down by YouTube and the posting of comments to Trump’s videos was also disabled. Trumps channel received 1 strike, which means it will be down for 7 days, interesting isn't it?

Also, Vice President Mike Pence confirmed in a letter addressed to Nancy Pelosi that he will not invoke the 25th amendment to remove President Trump from office, just hours before the House was set to vote on a resolution formally calling on him to do so.
In a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Pence said he does not “believe that such a course of action is in the best interest of our Nation or consistent with our Constitution”, and adding that he did “not yield to pressure to exert power beyond my constitutional authority to determine the outcome of the election, and I will not now yield to efforts in the House of Representatives to play political games at a time so serious in the life of our Nation.” 

GABBY PREZ REINSTATED!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/wow-gab-ceo-defies-tech-tyrants-restores-president-trumps-tweets-twitter-trumps-account-gab-https-gab-com-realdonaldtrump/

VIRUS?! THERE WAS NEVER ANY VIRUS!
The coronavirus is here to stay, but once most adults are immune — following natural infection or vaccination — the virus will be no more of a threat than the common cold, according to a study published in the journal Science on Tuesday. No moar ORANGEMAN, no moar VYE-RUSS!!
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/health/coronavirus-immunity-future.html
CUZ, SCIENCE!
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/01/11/science.abe6522

RIOTS?! THERE WAS NEVER ANY- OH! WAIT!
https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1305642555854524419

ACting DHS Chad Wolf Resigned

Peter Thomas Gaynor (born 1958) is an American Certified Emergency Manager who is the Administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). He was appointed as Acting Administrator by President Donald Trump on March 8, 2019, and became Administrator on January 16, 2020. On January 12, 2021, upon the resignation of Chad Wolf, he assumed the role of Acting Secretary of Homeland Security.His specialty is on INSURGENCY, btw!

And, finally:
WHO KILLED JFK?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/president-kennedy-asked-fbi-look-speaker-pelosis-father-connections-mob-documents-quietly-released-last-week-confirm/
President John F. Kennedy requested that Speaker Pelosi’s father, Thomas D’Alesandro Jr. be investigated by the FBI for his connections to organized crime.  The related FBI documents were quietly released on January 6th. On January 6th the FBI quietly released documents related to Nancy Pelosi’s father.  Thomas D’Alesandro Jr was investigated by the FBI in 1961 per a request from President John F. Kennedy.  The document drop was released while Big Media and the Democrats were busy approving a stolen election and pushing the narrative that Trump supporters are violent: We might see  SUICIDES this week and next!!!

Trump needed to see the entire board, who was on his side and who was bought and paid for. This new impeachment doesn’t matter it is meaningless! At this stage of the game, those who are going to carry out the operation already know the treasonous crimes these people have committed, the indictments are already in place, Durhams investigation is complete, Radcliffe already delivered the report, they have been waiting for this very moment, Trump is insulated.

Trump might wait until the inauguration, allow Biden to get on stage and then Trump plays the final Trump card. WE did our JOB on Nov. 3rd, we VOTED. When the vote was stolen WE shouted our OUTRAGE! The PEOPLE have spoken, our job is done! It’s out of our hands at this point.

Trump is already letting us know,  “Trump To Supporters: ‘NO Violence, NO Lawbreaking’ At Inauguration Protests”
TRUMP: “In light of reports of more demonstrations, I urge that there must be NO violence, NO lawbreaking and NO vandalism of any kind. That is not what I stand for, and it is not what America stands for. I call on ALL Americans to help ease tensions and calm tempers. Thank You.”
So NOW Trump can present evidence of election theft, foreign interference, and attempted coups by any means. The Democrats, the press, and Big Tech thought they were masters of the universe!
The election theft was done  online.
That means the US military got the evidence.
The Pelosi went to the military under the cover story that Trump was going to fire nuclear missiles, she was pushing the military to instigate a coup!
Just like dear old DAD!

fnord.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: rawma on January 13, 2021, 11:29:19 PM
Donald Trump impeached, a second time, for inciting the insurrection discussed in this thread. Ten Republicans overcame the fear gripping so many in their caucus to vote for it.

Finally Trump impeached!  Lets see if it will stick this time or just another big nothing burger.

The last impeachment kept him somewhat restrained for a while; he was furious about it then, even though nobody expected anything at all to happen in the Senate. A lot of it now is reestablishing norms, like not attacking Congress to overturn election results, and putting a hard choice to Republicans in the Senate - party of Trump or of not-Trump? I'd be satisfied with Trump never holding office again; "impeached twice" is almost as big a résumé stain as having worked in the Trump administration.

"And if you still dissent, I will kill democracy to remain the president."

Thats a good one, Trump will kill democracy.

He tried, last Wednesday; you could look it up. There's probably a thread about it around here with 400+ posts.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: myleftnut on January 13, 2021, 11:35:31 PM
Trump doesn’t give a crap about getting impeached.  Look at his video from today (yesterday?).  He’s more worried about his Twitter ban.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ratman_tf on January 14, 2021, 12:55:12 AM
Trump doesn’t give a crap about getting impeached.  Look at his video from today (yesterday?).  He’s more worried about his Twitter ban.

And rightfully so. Twitter is more powerful than the US Government.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Ghostmaker on January 14, 2021, 08:17:30 AM
The fact that they're putting Eric 'Me Love Chinese Spygirls' Swalwell on the impeachment committee is proof this is a farce.
Title: Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
Post by: Pat on January 14, 2021, 08:28:33 AM
Speaking of reestablishing norms, in response to the mostly peaceful but terrifying events that led lawmakers to courageously cower in their chambers or bravely flee, metal detectors have suddenly appeared at the entrances to the House floor.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/13/rep-boebert-clashes-with-capitol-police-over-metal-detector/

This wouldn't have affected the protesters in the slightest, so it must be a response to the danger presented by members of Congress. They're telling us we clearly can't trust