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LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021

Started by SHARK, January 06, 2021, 10:43:06 AM

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jhkim

Quote from: Mistwell on March 22, 2021, 05:54:11 PM
Sidney Powell has moved to dismiss Dominion's defamation lawsuit. She argues that when she accused Dominion of being part of an election-rigging scheme with ties to Venezuela, "no reasonable person would conclude" those "were truly statements of fact"



Ok you ignorant fucks, were you being "not a reasonable person" when you believed her lie in this thread, or is Sidney Powell lying now when she says "no reasonable person" would believe what she said earlier? Pick your poison.

Huh. It was tricky to look this up - so below are the links.

Full court documents:

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/29090821/us-dominion-inc-v-powell/

Document 22, Attachment 2:

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699.22.2_3.pdf

And as far as I can tell, it's saying exactly that. In that section, it cites prior case law saying:

QuoteWhile "often decr[ied]" by the media and others, "[t]he 'low level' of campaign tactics or rhetoric" in this nation's national campaigns is, now more than ever, a generally accepted fact of American life. Secrist v. Harkin, 874 F.2d 1244, 1249 (8th Cir. 1989) (citation omitted); see also id. ("There may be no public context more contentious than a political campaign.") Thus, courts "shelter strong, even outrageous political speech," on the ground that "the ordinary reader or listener will, in the context of political debate, assume that vituperation is some form of political opinion neither demonstrably true nor demonstrably false."

And goes on to say of Powell:

QuoteThe highly charged and political nature of the statements likewise underscores their political and hence partisan nature. Powell alleged that "Democrats were trying to 'steal the vote'
from Trump and that 'they ha[d] developed a computer system to alter votes electronically." Id. at ¶ 52. She and others appeared at a rally called "Stop the Steal," which the Complaint identifies as a "Georgia political rally." Id. at ¶ 1. She claimed that she had evidence that the election result was the "greatest crime of the century if not the life of the world." Id. at ¶ 181(bb).

Reasonable people understand that the "language of the political arena, like the language used in labor disputes ... is often vituperative, abusive and inexact." Watts v. United States, 394 U.S. 705, 708 (1969). It is likewise a "well recognized principle that political statements are inherently prone to exaggeration and hyperbole." Planned Parenthood of Columbia/Willamette, Inc. v. Am. Coal. of Life Activists, 244 F.3d 1007, 1009 (9th Cir. 2001). Given the highly charged and political context of the statements, it is clear that Powell was describing the facts on which she based the lawsuits she filed in support of President Trump. Indeed, Plaintiffs themselves characterize the statements at issue as "wild accusations" and "outlandish claims." Id. at ¶¶ 2, 60, 97, 111. They are repeatedly labelled "inherently improbable" and even "impossible." Id. at ¶¶ 110, 111, 114, 116 and 185. Such characterizations of the allegedly defamatory statements further support Defendants' position that reasonable people would not accept such statements as fact but view them only as claims that await testing by the courts through the adversary process.

Shasarak

Quote from: Mistwell on March 22, 2021, 05:54:11 PM
Ok you ignorant fucks, were you being "not a reasonable person" when you believed her lie in this thread, or is Sidney Powell lying now when she says "no reasonable person" would believe what she said earlier? Pick your poison.

Meh, I always said that Dominion was a side show designed to cover up the real election fraud.

Shit just look at the way that California wants to change its voter signature policy between the Presidential Election and  the Gavin Newsome recall.

And you dumb fucks are worried about the "Venezuelans"
Who da Drow?  U da drow! - hedgehobbit

There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

Ghostmaker

Quote from: Shasarak on March 22, 2021, 10:35:12 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on March 22, 2021, 05:54:11 PM
Ok you ignorant fucks, were you being "not a reasonable person" when you believed her lie in this thread, or is Sidney Powell lying now when she says "no reasonable person" would believe what she said earlier? Pick your poison.

Meh, I always said that Dominion was a side show designed to cover up the real election fraud.

Shit just look at the way that California wants to change its voter signature policy between the Presidential Election and  the Gavin Newsome recall.

And you dumb fucks are worried about the "Venezuelans"
Don't mind Misty, he's just chasing more of that sweet Chinese renminbis.

In all seriousness, though, welcome to how legal standards work in speech, which may or may not adhere to your expectations.

HR1 is the real prize, I suspect. They pass that, they legalize everyone and their mother to vote early, vote often, starting at 16 (you can't buy a beer or enter into a contract, but by God you can vote!).

But hey, Orange Man Bad, no more mean tweets amirite?


Elfdart

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 16, 2021, 08:06:26 AM
Elfdart's even dumber than he looks, considering Trump gained with every demographic except white males.

Sweet Baby Jesus you're a moron. When you lose the black female vote by 90 POINTS as Il Douchebag did in 2016 (Hillary won 94%, Trump 4%), but only lose to Biden by 81 POINTS in 2020 (Biden 90%, Trump 9%), you haven't "gained" Jack Shit. The same holds for other categories:



So feel free to throw one shoulder out of joint patting yourself on the back because Trump got a slight increase among minority voters, and throw the other out of joint furiously masturbating because Biden "only" got 79% of the black male vote while Hillary got 82%. If Republicans in office thought for an instant that they would be competitive among minority voters, they wouldn't be trying so hard to Ku Klux the vote before the 2022 elections. 

QuoteHell, he jumped twelve percentage points among Hispanic males.

Evidence, please.

Jesus Fucking Christ, is this guy honestly that goddamned stupid? He can\'t understand the plot of a Star Wars film? We\'re not talking about "Rashomon" here, for fuck\'s sake. The plot is as linear as they come. If anything, the film tries too hard to fill in all the gaps. This guy must be a flaming retard.  --Mike Wong on Red Letter Moron\'s review of The Phantom Menace

Shasarak

Even with their own evidence Trump gained in every demographic.

Good old El Douchbag indeed.
Who da Drow?  U da drow! - hedgehobbit

There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

jhkim

Quote from: Shasarak on March 22, 2021, 10:35:12 PM
Meh, I always said that Dominion was a side show designed to cover up the real election fraud.

Shit just look at the way that California wants to change its voter signature policy between the Presidential Election and  the Gavin Newsome recall.

And you dumb fucks are worried about the "Venezuelans"

I don't understand who you think did what here. When figures like Trump, Powell, McInerney, and others accused Dominion of fraudulently changing votes -- what was happening? Who got them to help cover up the real election fraud, and how? Does anyone in the bigger political picture realize about this side show cover-up?

Also, who are the dumb fucks you're saying are worried about the Venezuelans? Someone in this thread?

HappyDaze

Quote from: Shasarak on March 22, 2021, 10:35:12 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on March 22, 2021, 05:54:11 PM
Ok you ignorant fucks, were you being "not a reasonable person" when you believed her lie in this thread, or is Sidney Powell lying now when she says "no reasonable person" would believe what she said earlier? Pick your poison.

Meh, I always said that Dominion was a side show designed to cover up the real election fraud.

Shit just look at the way that California wants to change its voter signature policy between the Presidential Election and  the Gavin Newsome recall.

And you dumb fucks are worried about the "Venezuelans"
Ah, still posting in sarcastic black font, eh?

Mistwell

Quote from: Shasarak on March 22, 2021, 10:35:12 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on March 22, 2021, 05:54:11 PM
Ok you ignorant fucks, were you being "not a reasonable person" when you believed her lie in this thread, or is Sidney Powell lying now when she says "no reasonable person" would believe what she said earlier? Pick your poison.

Meh, I always said that Dominion was a side show designed to cover up the real election fraud.

Shit just look at the way that California wants to change its voter signature policy between the Presidential Election and  the Gavin Newsome recall.

And you dumb fucks are worried about the "Venezuelans"

I reviewed the first thread which was locked. You repeatedly supported the Dominion claims and Sidney's claims specifically. You were gloating about them. I don't care what other fraud you were bitching about, it was very clear you fell for her bullshit. And that was after it came out she was shady and her "witness" was bullshit.

Mistwell

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 22, 2021, 10:40:42 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on March 22, 2021, 10:35:12 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on March 22, 2021, 05:54:11 PM
Ok you ignorant fucks, were you being "not a reasonable person" when you believed her lie in this thread, or is Sidney Powell lying now when she says "no reasonable person" would believe what she said earlier? Pick your poison.

Meh, I always said that Dominion was a side show designed to cover up the real election fraud.

Shit just look at the way that California wants to change its voter signature policy between the Presidential Election and  the Gavin Newsome recall.

And you dumb fucks are worried about the "Venezuelans"
Don't mind Misty, he's just chasing more of that sweet Chinese renminbis.

In all seriousness, though, welcome to how legal standards work in speech, which may or may not adhere to your expectations.

HR1 is the real prize, I suspect. They pass that, they legalize everyone and their mother to vote early, vote often, starting at 16 (you can't buy a beer or enter into a contract, but by God you can vote!).

But hey, Orange Man Bad, no more mean tweets amirite?

If I search that other thread which was locked, will I find you supporting Sidney Powell's claims too?

Ghostmaker

Quote from: Mistwell on March 23, 2021, 02:02:50 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 22, 2021, 10:40:42 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on March 22, 2021, 10:35:12 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on March 22, 2021, 05:54:11 PM
Ok you ignorant fucks, were you being "not a reasonable person" when you believed her lie in this thread, or is Sidney Powell lying now when she says "no reasonable person" would believe what she said earlier? Pick your poison.

Meh, I always said that Dominion was a side show designed to cover up the real election fraud.

Shit just look at the way that California wants to change its voter signature policy between the Presidential Election and  the Gavin Newsome recall.

And you dumb fucks are worried about the "Venezuelans"
Don't mind Misty, he's just chasing more of that sweet Chinese renminbis.

In all seriousness, though, welcome to how legal standards work in speech, which may or may not adhere to your expectations.

HR1 is the real prize, I suspect. They pass that, they legalize everyone and their mother to vote early, vote often, starting at 16 (you can't buy a beer or enter into a contract, but by God you can vote!).

But hey, Orange Man Bad, no more mean tweets amirite?

If I search that other thread which was locked, will I find you supporting Sidney Powell's claims too?
Oddly, I don't seem to have directly said anything of the sort, Mr. Swalwell. I did state I found the election results to be extremely questionable particularly considering the circumstances and the behavior of Democrats in key areas.

Now go chase those asspats, little boy.

Shasarak

Quote from: jhkim on March 23, 2021, 01:13:39 AM
Quote from: Shasarak on March 22, 2021, 10:35:12 PM
Meh, I always said that Dominion was a side show designed to cover up the real election fraud.

Shit just look at the way that California wants to change its voter signature policy between the Presidential Election and  the Gavin Newsome recall.

And you dumb fucks are worried about the "Venezuelans"

I don't understand who you think did what here. When figures like Trump, Powell, McInerney, and others accused Dominion of fraudulently changing votes -- what was happening? Who got them to help cover up the real election fraud, and how? Does anyone in the bigger political picture realize about this side show cover-up?

Also, who are the dumb fucks you're saying are worried about the Venezuelans? Someone in this thread?

Do you have any evidence that Trump accused Dominion of fraudulently changing votes?

Sounds like if he did then he would be being sued by Dominion right now.
Who da Drow?  U da drow! - hedgehobbit

There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

jhkim

Quote from: Shasarak on March 23, 2021, 03:44:32 PM
Quote from: jhkim on March 23, 2021, 01:13:39 AM
Quote from: Shasarak on March 22, 2021, 10:35:12 PM
Meh, I always said that Dominion was a side show designed to cover up the real election fraud.

Shit just look at the way that California wants to change its voter signature policy between the Presidential Election and  the Gavin Newsome recall.

And you dumb fucks are worried about the "Venezuelans"

I don't understand who you think did what here. When figures like Trump, Powell, McInerney, and others accused Dominion of fraudulently changing votes -- what was happening? Who got them to help cover up the real election fraud, and how? Does anyone in the bigger political picture realize about this side show cover-up?

Also, who are the dumb fucks you're saying are worried about the Venezuelans? Someone in this thread?

Do you have any evidence that Trump accused Dominion of fraudulently changing votes?

Sounds like if he did then he would be being sued by Dominion right now.

Here are some of his posts on the subject:

Quote"REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN." @ChanelRion @OANN
QuoteHeartwarming to see all of the tremendous support out there, especially the organic Rallies that are springing up all over the Country, including a big one on Saturday in D.C. I may even try to stop by and say hello. This Election was Rigged, from Dominion all the way up & down!
QuoteHe won because the Election was Rigged. NO VOTE WATCHERS OR OBSERVERS allowed, vote tabulated by a Radical Left privately owned company, Dominion, with a bad reputation & bum equipment that couldn't even qualify for Texas (which I won by a lot!), the Fake & Silent Media, & more!
QuoteRT @1776Stonewall: Sidney Powell: 'Dominion machines engineered by China, Venezuela, Cuba'
Quote"Study: Dominion Machines shifted 2-3% of Trump Votes to Biden. Far more votes than needed to sway election." Florida, Ohio, Texas and many other states were won by even greater margins than projected. Did just as well with Swing States, but bad things happened. @OANN

Source: https://www.thetrumparchive.com/?searchbox=%22dominion%22

I think Dominion probably didn't sue him because it's harder to hold people liable for tweets than it is to hold them liable for court filings.

Shasarak

Quote from: jhkim on March 23, 2021, 05:47:10 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on March 23, 2021, 03:44:32 PM
Quote from: jhkim on March 23, 2021, 01:13:39 AM
Quote from: Shasarak on March 22, 2021, 10:35:12 PM
Meh, I always said that Dominion was a side show designed to cover up the real election fraud.

Shit just look at the way that California wants to change its voter signature policy between the Presidential Election and  the Gavin Newsome recall.

And you dumb fucks are worried about the "Venezuelans"

I don't understand who you think did what here. When figures like Trump, Powell, McInerney, and others accused Dominion of fraudulently changing votes -- what was happening? Who got them to help cover up the real election fraud, and how? Does anyone in the bigger political picture realize about this side show cover-up?

Also, who are the dumb fucks you're saying are worried about the Venezuelans? Someone in this thread?

Do you have any evidence that Trump accused Dominion of fraudulently changing votes?

Sounds like if he did then he would be being sued by Dominion right now.

Here are some of his posts on the subject:

Quote"REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN." @ChanelRion @OANN
QuoteHeartwarming to see all of the tremendous support out there, especially the organic Rallies that are springing up all over the Country, including a big one on Saturday in D.C. I may even try to stop by and say hello. This Election was Rigged, from Dominion all the way up & down!
QuoteHe won because the Election was Rigged. NO VOTE WATCHERS OR OBSERVERS allowed, vote tabulated by a Radical Left privately owned company, Dominion, with a bad reputation & bum equipment that couldn't even qualify for Texas (which I won by a lot!), the Fake & Silent Media, & more!
QuoteRT @1776Stonewall: Sidney Powell: 'Dominion machines engineered by China, Venezuela, Cuba'
Quote"Study: Dominion Machines shifted 2-3% of Trump Votes to Biden. Far more votes than needed to sway election." Florida, Ohio, Texas and many other states were won by even greater margins than projected. Did just as well with Swing States, but bad things happened. @OANN

Source: https://www.thetrumparchive.com/?searchbox=%22dominion%22

I think Dominion probably didn't sue him because it's harder to hold people liable for tweets than it is to hold them liable for court filings.

Ah, I see. So Trump did not actually file any law suits alleging any fraud regarding Dominion machines but did complain about them on twitter.
Who da Drow?  U da drow! - hedgehobbit

There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

Brad

Oh will you look at that, fake news RE: Powell/Dominion lawsuit nonsense...

https://www.kraken-wood.com/pdf/HK.MEDIA.STATEMENT.3.23.21.pdf
https://www.sidneypowell.com/

At this point if you're dumb enough to believe anything the MSM says you probably should just shoot yourself and get it over with.
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

Ghostmaker

Quote from: Brad on March 24, 2021, 09:31:54 AM
Oh will you look at that, fake news RE: Powell/Dominion lawsuit nonsense...

https://www.kraken-wood.com/pdf/HK.MEDIA.STATEMENT.3.23.21.pdf
https://www.sidneypowell.com/

At this point if you're dumb enough to believe anything the MSM says you probably should just shoot yourself and get it over with.
Oof. I suspected that was the angle. As usual, the media just can't help but lie.