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Author Topic: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021  (Read 19965 times)

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #390 on: January 13, 2021, 02:57:14 PM »
Go on. Define what their trolley problems are, and why that means you can't call a hypocrite a hypocrite (unless, of course, EOTB approves of it).

I don’t think so, bruh.  I made a statement that using hypocrisy arguments as direct persuasion was a foolish waste of time, because people don’t care about some rando “shaming” them.  Which is self-evident in the impact your own crying hypocrisy has had here - the exact same big fat zero that all the hypocrisy arguments thrown from here in the direction of RPG.net have had. 



So you're admitting that when you cry 'hypocrisy', you've been willfully wasting your time. Got it, bruh.

Not surprised at all that this is all you could “get” from that. 
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #391 on: January 13, 2021, 02:58:17 PM »
Not surprised you can't deal with your own cognitive dissonance, lol.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #392 on: January 13, 2021, 02:58:51 PM »
What do you think about Trump's calls to remove Section 230 protections for social media?

https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/23/trump-ndaa-veto-section-230/

I'm not sure exactly where I stand on how to reform Section 230, but I do think that it is *not* simply the purview of the FBI and police to handle all lawbreaking. Citizens have a responsibility to report crime and not participate in it.

For example, someone tells me a slanderous rumor about someone else - I then write it up and send it to a newspaper, which prints it. I think both I and the newspaper have some responsibility here - both legally and ethically. Just mindlessly repeating what one is told is wrong. People should be responsible for what they say and publish. That is a standard that newspapers are held to, but social media companies get a special legal loophole.

That said, I'm not eager for social media companies to be the determiners of truth. *If* we give them a legal loophole to avoid responsibility, though, then there need to be strings attached that make the social media more functionally public and allowing of free speech.
I know you weren't asking me, but my two cents? It was a bad idea. He was flinging the baby out with the bathwater.

Part of the problem with 230, as I understand it, is that there's no real way to determine and enforce it from a negative standpoint. You can't call up the FCC and say 'Twitter is deliberately straddling the publisher / provider line' and have regulators lean on them till they get their head on straight. It only functions as a defense against civil actions, which means it's case by case.

I can understand Trump's frustration, as Big Tech has been nothing less than blatantly obnoxious, but his solution was worse than the disease.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #393 on: January 13, 2021, 03:03:36 PM »
The government broke up big oil and ma bell over monopoly issues. Maybe it's time to consider something similar for these social media megacorps.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #394 on: January 13, 2021, 03:14:33 PM »
Not surprised you can't deal with your own cognitive dissonance, lol.

Bruh, I’m not the one starting out my posts with “so what you mean is” and throwing lols around like penny candy at a marti gras parade.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #395 on: January 13, 2021, 03:23:32 PM »

Did I say they should automatically remove it, pinche pendejo? lol I just said they alaready have the technology to recognize and monitor it.

Dude, I'm Puerto Rican, not Mexican. Das waycist, yo!  :o

We don't even use the word "pinche" here. We'd just probably say "Canto 'e pedenjo!", or maybe "Jodio fuckin' pendejo!", "Canto 'e fuckin' pedenjo!" or something like that.


Did I say you were Mexican? lol

So you think that this should be handled by people sifting through thousands of Youtube videos, thousands of Facebook posts, etc?

Yes.

The immediate necessity to purge every single instance of anyone saying something that could possibly, MAAAYBE be construed as theoretically "inciting" violence (according to someone's subjective interpretation of it) or some other objectionable material is the fevered dream of demented imbeciles who feel the need to control absolutely, positively EVERYTHING. We don't NEED to police every single instance of someone telling someone else to "KYS retard, lol" in social media. It's NEUROTIC.

If it's so egregious someone feels the need to do something they can just report it (and even then that tends to lead to bans for completely harmless wrongthink or edgyspeak). But if no one saw it and no one was upset it doesn't fucking matter. We don't need to scour the internet for every instance of someone failing to toe the line.

Weeepa! Nice elaborate strawman you've built there, bori bori, pero I have a couple of questions for you. Hope they don't overheat your small brain:

Do you know how to generally distinguish incitement to violence and normal speech? Or are you too much of an asno to tell the difference? Futhermore, does you being too much of a dumbass to distinguish between most normal speech  and incitement to violence mean that it shouldn't be monitored and at least have eyes on it?

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #396 on: January 13, 2021, 03:24:34 PM »
Bruh, I’m not the one starting out my posts with “so what you mean is” and throwing lols around like penny candy at a marti gras parade.

No, you're just the one making grand statements you won't back up, lol.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #397 on: January 13, 2021, 03:25:32 PM »
Watch out, its a Beaner!

"There can be no middle ground with bigots. Bigots want to deny the rights and livelihood of people different from them. They want them to cease existing, either by going underground or by murdering them. There is no "let's meet in the middle" with that. To suggest there can be is ignorance" RPGNet

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #398 on: January 13, 2021, 03:27:44 PM »
Watch out, its a Beaner!

I can also believe that you haven't called hispanics 'spics' in the last ten minutes, or that you haven't spewed any of your usual dumb shit in that time period. You are on a roll. :)

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #399 on: January 13, 2021, 03:40:01 PM »
Watch out, its a Beaner!

I can also believe that you haven't called hispanics 'spics' in the last ten minutes, or that you haven't spewed any of your usual dumb shit in that time period. You are on a roll. :)

Ok, Beaner.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #400 on: January 13, 2021, 03:44:05 PM »
Ok, Beaner.

I've never worn a beanie hat in my life, so you most likely mean it in some other way. A-OK!

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #401 on: January 13, 2021, 03:48:01 PM »
If the lefties hate America so much, then they should secede.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #402 on: January 13, 2021, 03:52:32 PM »
I've never worn a beanie hat in my life, so you most likely mean it in some other way. A-OK!

If you were from South Africa you would be complaining about the blics
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #403 on: January 13, 2021, 03:53:58 PM »
I'm not sure exactly where I stand on how to reform Section 230, but I do think that it is *not* simply the purview of the FBI and police to handle all lawbreaking. Citizens have a responsibility to report crime and not participate in it.

For example, someone tells me a slanderous rumor about someone else - I then write it up and send it to a newspaper, which prints it. I think both I and the newspaper have some responsibility here - both legally and ethically. Just mindlessly repeating what one is told is wrong. People should be responsible for what they say and publish. That is a standard that newspapers are held to, but social media companies get a special legal loophole.

That said, I'm not eager for social media companies to be the determiners of truth. *If* we give them a legal loophole to avoid responsibility, though, then there need to be strings attached that make the social media more functionally public and allowing of free speech.
Your standard for spreading of the responsibility for a slanderous rumor would come close to preventing anyone from saying anything negative about anyone else, ever. That would pretty much kill public discussion about people. The internet can be one huge dogpile for one who gets the slightest bit famous just because of the asymmetric number of responses, but we also shouldn't criminalize gossip.

I don't have a clear answer on 230, either, except to say all the proposals seem terrible. The platform vs. publisher distinction is a good one, but requires a lot of thought to implement.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #404 on: January 13, 2021, 04:27:27 PM »
Bruh, I’m not the one starting out my posts with “so what you mean is” and throwing lols around like penny candy at a marti gras parade.

No, you're just the one making grand statements you won't back up, lol.

Fact check: true

All you get is the conclusion 
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