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Author Topic: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021  (Read 41598 times)

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2021, 03:33:14 PM »
Storming the capital wasn't like any of the BLM protests.  Not one. 

I thought this article from fivethirtyeight was interesting.

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Much will be said about the fact that these actions threaten the core of our democracy and undermine the rule of law. Commentators and political observers will rightly note that these actions are the result of disinformation and heightened political polarization in the United States. And there will be no shortage of debate and discussion about the role Trump played in giving rise to this kind of extreme behavior. As we have these discussions, however, we must take care to appreciate that this is not just about folks being angry about the outcome of one election. Nor should we believe for one second that this is a simple manifestation of the president’s lies about the integrity of his defeat. This is, like so much of American politics, about race, racism and white Americans’ stubborn commitment to white dominance, no matter the cost or the consequence.

Since on this site there's been so much ink spilled comparing and contrasting left versus right protests, and several people have said 'anything is justified if MY SIDE claims it' (usually accusing the other side of holding that belief) let's talk about the differences between these protests. 

So, what was the 'Stop the Steal' rally about?  Clearly it was overturning the election results that showed Biden winning over Trump.  Nobody involved in the election outside the top of the ticket argued that their own election was the result of fraud.  The results for down-ballot races closely mirror the same results at the highest level.  There are processes for preventing fraud prior to the election, Democrats offered money to increase election security, and the existing state government officials many of whom were Republican confirmed that the election was free, fair and accurate.

What Constitutional principle were they demonstrating in favor of? 

Meanwhile, we accept that governments exist to secure life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  BLM protesters argue that police violence unfairly targets innocent members of their community - literally denying them life and the freedom of movement that white Americans take for granted. 

Both protests made me uncomfortable - BLM because American has failed to deliver on the promise of equal treatment under the law.  The 'Stop the Steal' makes me uncomfortable because clearly millions of self-styled 'Patriots' are willing to abandon the rule of law and Democratic government to ensure their preferred ruler is installed. 

Democracy doesn't exist to give the veneer of respectability to autocracy - it exists to ensure the will of the people is maintained.  Fortunately, in this country we have strong protections for the minority.  Many of those protections have been under assault by the Trump administration, but I don't expect that to continue under Biden.  Nobody is coming for your guns.  Democrats aren't trying to repeal the Constitution.



Black Lives Matter is factually wrong about their claims.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/03/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice-column/3235072001/

Breaking into the Capitol building was bad, but the protest was legitimate from a 1st Amendment perspective. BLM and Antifa have that right as well, as long as they don't break the law either.
People making mealy mouthed excuses about "whataboutism" miss the forest for the trees. Excusing one set of riots and condemning others weakens the argument that X riot was bad.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2021, 03:40:00 PM »
The white flag of surrender is now the official flag of America. Imagine if the founding fathers of America said regarding the revolution,  "no violence", "we're the party of peace and law and order." They must be rolling in their graves.

All you have to do now is shout "covid!" and Americans drop to their knees and put their hands up in surrender.

Remember that scene in GoT when Cersei shredded the document and asked mockingly, "this is your protection?" The Chinese just shredded the Constitution and used it for toilet paper. They are laughing at America.

The entire world is laughing at america.

Maybe consider that a good number of Americans don't want your far right brand  nor the far left brand  of 'revolution'. 

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2021, 03:43:46 PM »
Democrats have more than their fair share of blame to shoulder. Hilary famously called half of America "Deplorables" in order to make political hay. (And then wondered why she lost the election)

Correction - she referred to half of Trump voters as 'deplorables'. 

Quote from: Clinton
“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?  The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

I stand corrected. Do you think her claim was accurate? That 25% of Americans are deplorable?

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Romney referred to 47% of Americans pretty negatively.

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There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

I tend to agree with the idea that government assistance can create perverse incentives. I also think that some government assistance is probably a good idea. The trick is balancing the system so that it doesn't trap people into the very problems the program is trying to help with. So far, Democrats have shown a severe lack of aknowledgement of the perverse incentive problem.

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Of course, Trump had some unkind words for the people who rioted.  Whether they represent 'half of his supporters' isn't clear, but for round numbers, it's probably not totally inaccurate.  There are people HERE who weren't at the Capitol but think it was righteous. 

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The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy.  To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country.

Deplorable would be a $5 word for Trump (he prefers 'really bad hombres'), but I think those words indicate that he is calling them deplorables.  So, depending on what percentage of his supporters think the assault on the Capitol was justified, maybe Clinton was right?

I would be very hesitant to use this message board as evidence of anything. We have posters who have blatantly stated their political postings are trolling and posturing. And we don't know how many do and are maintaing a facade of sincerity. And many are "internet tough guys", fed up with the rhetoric and slinging some right back.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2021, 03:45:16 PM »


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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2021, 03:47:07 PM »
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

Damn, you found the most sarcastic poster on the boards calling them "Patriots" after several others insisted on referring to them as "Insurrectionists" in prior posts. You really got me on that one. I guess this means we ALL now supported people storming the Capitol 100% with zero reservations, and agree entirely that it was a brilliant idea cuz ONE guy called them "Patriots" at one point. Like people can't be "Patriots" and do stupid misguided shit at the same time.

A: "Rioting is wrong."
B: "But they didz it too!"

I think AOC said it best: The whole point of protesting is to make people uncomfortable



Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

No, they haven't. EVERYONE who's brought up anything approaching a "justification" of the capitol protests has been more nuanced than that, and no one has come out and outright justified it (with the possible exception of Spinachcat, who came out saying he was "proud" of them at one point in the other thread), merely attempted to explain the causes leading up it.

This was SHARK on the other thread:

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*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
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Nancy Polosi's office has been taken. Evidently she left in such haste, she left her computer open. Patriots are reading her Emails right now, and searching her computer.

Capital Police have attempted to use mace, tear gas and batons. Whistles blowing loudly, all to no avail. Tens of thousands of Patriots marching everywhere. American flags waving like great forests. Other scenes show police merely standing by, watching as Patriots march and pour about. Police do not seem eager to be violent in general.

Thundering roars of USA! USA! USA!

More singing of the National Anthem! Thousands singing all in unison!

Entire Capital building looks like it is overwhelmed and thoroughly occupied by Patriots!

So many huge crowds everywhere! Men, women, all chanting!

MAGA!
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Yeah, I forgot about that post. Still doesn't change the fact that people who were actually discussing the protest, as opposed to just bring up the news of the day while cheering for their side, gave far more nuanced reasons than "but they did it first!", which was the actual point.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2021, 03:50:53 PM »

Democracy doesn't exist to give the veneer of respectability to autocracy - it exists to ensure the will of the people is maintained.  Fortunately, in this country we have strong protections for the minority.  Many of those protections have been under assault by the Trump administration, but I don't expect that to continue under Biden.  Nobody is coming for your guns.  Democrats aren't trying to repeal the Constitution.
No, they'd just rather 'encourage' other entities to not do business with or give any succor to people with wrongthink views.

CNN's Oliver Darcy is demanding TV and cable providers deplatform news stations that are insufficiently left.
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1347465189252341764?s=20

Democracy, right?

And 'nobody is coming for your guns'? My God, do you believe what you're saying? The only reason the Dems have pulled back from gun control in recent years is because it's been like sticking the fork in the wall outlet, from an election standpoint. Heck, Florida alone is facing seven crap tier gun control bills this year.


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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2021, 03:53:40 PM »
Storming the capital wasn't like any of the BLM protests.  Not one. 

I thought this article from fivethirtyeight was interesting.

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Much will be said about the fact that these actions threaten the core of our democracy and undermine the rule of law. Commentators and political observers will rightly note that these actions are the result of disinformation and heightened political polarization in the United States. And there will be no shortage of debate and discussion about the role Trump played in giving rise to this kind of extreme behavior. As we have these discussions, however, we must take care to appreciate that this is not just about folks being angry about the outcome of one election. Nor should we believe for one second that this is a simple manifestation of the president’s lies about the integrity of his defeat. This is, like so much of American politics, about race, racism and white Americans’ stubborn commitment to white dominance, no matter the cost or the consequence.

Since on this site there's been so much ink spilled comparing and contrasting left versus right protests, and several people have said 'anything is justified if MY SIDE claims it' (usually accusing the other side of holding that belief) let's talk about the differences between these protests. 

So, what was the 'Stop the Steal' rally about?  Clearly it was overturning the election results that showed Biden winning over Trump.  Nobody involved in the election outside the top of the ticket argued that their own election was the result of fraud.  The results for down-ballot races closely mirror the same results at the highest level.  There are processes for preventing fraud prior to the election, Democrats offered money to increase election security, and the existing state government officials many of whom were Republican confirmed that the election was free, fair and accurate.

What Constitutional principle were they demonstrating in favor of? 

Meanwhile, we accept that governments exist to secure life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  BLM protesters argue that police violence unfairly targets innocent members of their community - literally denying them life and the freedom of movement that white Americans take for granted. 

Both protests made me uncomfortable - BLM because American has failed to deliver on the promise of equal treatment under the law.  The 'Stop the Steal' makes me uncomfortable because clearly millions of self-styled 'Patriots' are willing to abandon the rule of law and Democratic government to ensure their preferred ruler is installed. 

Democracy doesn't exist to give the veneer of respectability to autocracy - it exists to ensure the will of the people is maintained.  Fortunately, in this country we have strong protections for the minority.  Many of those protections have been under assault by the Trump administration, but I don't expect that to continue under Biden.  Nobody is coming for your guns.  Democrats aren't trying to repeal the Constitution.



Black Lives Matter is factually wrong about their claims.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/03/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice-column/3235072001/

Breaking into the Capitol building was bad, but the protest was legitimate from a 1st Amendment perspective. BLM and Antifa have that right as well, as long as they don't break the law either.
People making mealy mouthed excuses about "whataboutism" miss the forest for the trees. Excusing one set of riots and condemning others weakens the argument that X riot was bad.

Furthermore, for my own part at least, I would actually agree with the BLM protests as well (maybe even the riots as well, or at least understand why they happen), if they weren't based almost entirely on pure bullshit and they didn't go out of their way to assault, antagonize and sometimes MURDER people, as well as destroy working people's businesses and private property. People have a right to protest and a right to be angry if they aren't being heard. My issue with them is that they're a clusterfuck of chaos and destruction targeted at ordinary people and based largely on lies and misinformation, not that I oppose people ever protesting or even loosing their shit if they're truly being abused and ignored by the system, which to an extend they arguably might be, just not the way they claim it to be.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2021, 04:05:44 PM »
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

Damn, you found the most sarcastic poster on the boards calling them "Patriots" after several others insisted on referring to them as "Insurrectionists" in prior posts. You really got me on that one. I guess this means we ALL now supported people storming the Capitol 100% with zero reservations, and agree entirely that it was a brilliant idea cuz ONE guy called them "Patriots" at one point. Like people can't be "Patriots" and do stupid misguided shit at the same time.

Damn right they are patriots.

Whats wrong with you people, how are you ok with the mass destruction of the middle class of your own country and think that fucking $600 covers all the damages.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2021, 04:08:37 PM »
I stand corrected. Do you think her claim was accurate? That 25% of Americans are deplorable?

I think that's an interesting question.  There are a couple of definitions for the word - (1)deserving strong condemnation (2)shockingly bad in quality.  For the use of the first definition, I think that the mob attacking the capitol deserve strong condemnation, so I think it's fair to say that I find them deplorable.

And since Trump only won 46% of the vote in 2016, I certainly wouldn't call 'half of his supporters' 25% of the population - only 23%.  But that's just math. 

But let's take a look at a recent poll:

Quote from: Five Thirty Eight
Polls so far — and we are still very early in this news cycle — have found that a solid majority of Americans opposed the unrest in Washington, D.C. In a YouGov poll, 71 percent of registered voters opposed the “storming of the Capitol” (63 percent of them “strongly”), and 62 percent viewed it as “a threat to democracy.” Similarly, 70 percent of respondents to an Ipsos poll opposed “the protesters who broke into the Capitol.” And, according to a Morning Consult/Politico survey, 59 percent of registered voters think the perpetrators should be viewed as “domestic terrorists.”

However, a not-small 19 percent of Ipsos respondents said that they supported the rioters. In the YouGov poll, 21 percent said the same (including 14 percent who strongly supported storming the Capitol), and 32 percent did not believe that the occupation constituted a threat to democracy. Those who backed it were disproportionately Republican: 45 percent of GOP voters supported the siege, while 43 percent opposed it.

If we can agree that the mob deserves 'strong condemnation', and 45% of GOP voters support the mob, that'd work out to 21% of Americans. 

I think I'm comfortable with saying that it's deplorable that 21% of American support this type of violence.  I'm less comfortable with saying 'they're deplorable', but that has more to do with talking about the whole person.  I'm sure some of those people are obnoxious alcoholic abusers that have raped their own children, and it'd be pretty hard to find them redeemable in any way, and some of them are god-fearing pillars of their community active in social outreach programs that do good things even though they have some reprehensible beliefs.  But at the moment, I'm thinking that an off-the-cuff comment about how terrible some of the people who support Trump are, I don't find it particularly inaccurate. 

I don't know if Clinton provided any more clarity to her remarks, but I do think that some beliefs (like white supremacy and islamophobia) qualify as 'shockingly bad in quality', and from that perspective, those who hold them could be referred to as 'deplorable'.  Again, I don't think that EXACTLY HALF of Trump supporters qualify under that definition, but if that's somewhere between 25-45%, calling it 'half' isn't too inexcusable an exaggeration.  So, I don't think that the comment itself is necessarily wrong - just some people were upset that she was painting with too broad a brush. 

But yeah, laying aside all nuance and discussion of semantics, I would agree that some Trump supporters are deplorable. 
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2021, 04:14:43 PM »
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

Damn, you found the most sarcastic poster on the boards calling them "Patriots" after several others insisted on referring to them as "Insurrectionists" in prior posts. You really got me on that one. I guess this means we ALL now supported people storming the Capitol 100% with zero reservations, and agree entirely that it was a brilliant idea cuz ONE guy called them "Patriots" at one point. Like people can't be "Patriots" and do stupid misguided shit at the same time.

Damn right they are patriots.

Whats wrong with you people, how are you ok with the mass destruction of the middle class of your own country and think that fucking $600 covers all the damages.

I don't. I think Covid has been politicized in order to shift massive amounts of wealth from the middle class to the big corps.

I also don't think the DC riot was 1. About that. They specifically were there to protest the election and the appearance of impropriety that was dismissed and ridiculed by the media and politicians and 2. A good way to accomplish that goal.

It was mob mentality emotional venting. Just like BLM/Antifa.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2021, 04:17:24 PM »

What are the statistics on Demos not condemning/supporting BLM riots strongly enough? Condoning that shit is deplorable as well.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2021, 04:21:24 PM »
I stand corrected. Do you think her claim was accurate? That 25% of Americans are deplorable?

I think that's an interesting question.  There are a couple of definitions for the word - (1)deserving strong condemnation (2)shockingly bad in quality.  For the use of the first definition, I think that the mob attacking the capitol deserve strong condemnation, so I think it's fair to say that I find them deplorable.

And since Trump only won 46% of the vote in 2016, I certainly wouldn't call 'half of his supporters' 25% of the population - only 23%.  But that's just math. 

But let's take a look at a recent poll:

Quote from: Five Thirty Eight
Polls so far — and we are still very early in this news cycle — have found that a solid majority of Americans opposed the unrest in Washington, D.C. In a YouGov poll, 71 percent of registered voters opposed the “storming of the Capitol” (63 percent of them “strongly”), and 62 percent viewed it as “a threat to democracy.” Similarly, 70 percent of respondents to an Ipsos poll opposed “the protesters who broke into the Capitol.” And, according to a Morning Consult/Politico survey, 59 percent of registered voters think the perpetrators should be viewed as “domestic terrorists.”

However, a not-small 19 percent of Ipsos respondents said that they supported the rioters. In the YouGov poll, 21 percent said the same (including 14 percent who strongly supported storming the Capitol), and 32 percent did not believe that the occupation constituted a threat to democracy. Those who backed it were disproportionately Republican: 45 percent of GOP voters supported the siege, while 43 percent opposed it.

If we can agree that the mob deserves 'strong condemnation', and 45% of GOP voters support the mob, that'd work out to 21% of Americans. 

I think I'm comfortable with saying that it's deplorable that 21% of American support this type of violence.  I'm less comfortable with saying 'they're deplorable', but that has more to do with talking about the whole person.  I'm sure some of those people are obnoxious alcoholic abusers that have raped their own children, and it'd be pretty hard to find them redeemable in any way, and some of them are god-fearing pillars of their community active in social outreach programs that do good things even though they have some reprehensible beliefs.  But at the moment, I'm thinking that an off-the-cuff comment about how terrible some of the people who support Trump are, I don't find it particularly inaccurate. 

I don't know if Clinton provided any more clarity to her remarks, but I do think that some beliefs (like white supremacy and islamophobia) qualify as 'shockingly bad in quality', and from that perspective, those who hold them could be referred to as 'deplorable'.  Again, I don't think that EXACTLY HALF of Trump supporters qualify under that definition, but if that's somewhere between 25-45%, calling it 'half' isn't too inexcusable an exaggeration.  So, I don't think that the comment itself is necessarily wrong - just some people were upset that she was painting with too broad a brush. 

But yeah, laying aside all nuance and discussion of semantics, I would agree that some Trump supporters are deplorable.

You are making some incredible leaps in order to connect all those dots. For one example, it's not clear that someone who supports the riots is necessarily a phobe or an ist, or *rolleyes* a child abuser. And all to come to a rather weak reply that "some" are deplorable.

I'm sure some amount of BLM supporters are child rapists or wife beaters or jaywalkers.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2021, 04:43:26 PM »
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/2020-election-commentary/msg1159634/#msg1159634

That's just one instance of someone calling them patriots. If that doesn't sound like an endorsement to you, then I don't know if you speak English motherfucker.

Not to mention the youtube crackpot links that keep egging on this BS. I don't need to link you to every instance, do I?

Then again, why am I expecting any of you to not be lying idiots.

Damn, you found the most sarcastic poster on the boards calling them "Patriots" after several others insisted on referring to them as "Insurrectionists" in prior posts. You really got me on that one. I guess this means we ALL now supported people storming the Capitol 100% with zero reservations, and agree entirely that it was a brilliant idea cuz ONE guy called them "Patriots" at one point. Like people can't be "Patriots" and do stupid misguided shit at the same time.

A: "Rioting is wrong."
B: "But they didz it too!"

I think AOC said it best: The whole point of protesting is to make people uncomfortable



Right, because people here haven't been justifying the capitol riots by invoking "but they did it first mommy!" I don't know what forum you've been reading. Come back to earth son.

No, they haven't. EVERYONE who's brought up anything approaching a "justification" of the capitol protests has been more nuanced than that, and no one has come out and outright justified it (with the possible exception of Spinachcat, who came out saying he was "proud" of them at one point in the other thread), merely attempted to explain the causes leading up it.

This was SHARK on the other thread:

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*Thousands* of American patriots all singing the National Anthem as more patriots storm the Capital building!

Huge chants of "OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE! OUR HOUSE!"

More chanting, "USA! USA! USA!"

Hundreds of Americans pouring inside the doors! Thousands everywhere, surrounding everything!

Fucking LOCK AND LOAD!!! Amazing!
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Nancy Polosi's office has been taken. Evidently she left in such haste, she left her computer open. Patriots are reading her Emails right now, and searching her computer.

Capital Police have attempted to use mace, tear gas and batons. Whistles blowing loudly, all to no avail. Tens of thousands of Patriots marching everywhere. American flags waving like great forests. Other scenes show police merely standing by, watching as Patriots march and pour about. Police do not seem eager to be violent in general.

Thundering roars of USA! USA! USA!

More singing of the National Anthem! Thousands singing all in unison!

Entire Capital building looks like it is overwhelmed and thoroughly occupied by Patriots!

So many huge crowds everywhere! Men, women, all chanting!

MAGA!
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Yeah, I forgot about that post. Still doesn't change the fact that people who were actually discussing the protest, as opposed to just bring up the news of the day while cheering for their side, gave far more nuanced reasons than "but they did it first!", which was the actual point.

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Exactly, my friend! I watched several live videos, each covering some of the same scenes, and some with different aspects. The first video I posted in this thread, here, had coverage of the Save America rally, and President Trump's speech. Very interesting, cool, and it was inspiring.

Most of the witnesses and reporters on the scene described hundreds of thousands of American patriots attending--most likely well over a million people attending. It looked amazing and awe inspiring in my view.

There were something like, I don't know, several hundred, maybe a few thousand people that specifically stormed into the Capital building. Out of a million people attending.

I think it is tragic that several people died during the event. I think that political violence is a tragic and terrible--and as I have explained to my friends, regardless of how righteous someone may feel such violence is necessary--it will still be tragic, terrible, and horrifying for everyone involved. Take a look at our own American Revolution and the American Civil War. Look at the British Civil War, the war between Parliament and the King, look at the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, not to mention the civil wars and political struggles in the twilight of the Republic during ancient Rome--and in more modern times as well, the Troubles in Ireland, and the civil war in Ukraine. Terrible atrocities, huge numbers of people slaughtered, imprisoned, tortured, starved, crushed, impoverished and oppressed. Good, bad, and indifferent, young and old, men, women, and children. The blood and fire covered everyone.

Civil War is terrible, and I certainly do not want to see America go into a civil war.

And you're quite right. Patriots can do stupid things too, just like other people. Protesting is good, and a right that we have under our Constitutional Republic. The whole "Mob mentality" thing can--and often does--get swept up and out of control. Anyone that has ever been in a *really large* group, there can definitely be felt a kind of energy, and it can definitely influence people to do things without thinking. Shifting from protesting to *rioting* by some of the patriots attending the events in Washington, DC, was unfortunate.

Meanwhile, as you and others have commented, none of these events and responses are surprising. The Marxist Democrats have applauded and SUPPORTED political violence and "Mostly Peaceful Protests" for months now. Lots of money given to BLM and Antifa by Democrats, politicians, the media, celebrities, all along while being justified and glorified. None of these fucking corrupt Democrat politicians shed a tear or screeched about "Insurrection!" when cities all across America were being burned to the ground and good Americans hunted down and beaten, robbed, assaulted, and killed. FOR MONTHS. There's always nuances, and context. The monstrous hypocrisy of the corrupt, Marxist Democrats is absolutely disgusting. Why was the siege of the Federal Courthouse in Portland allowed to go on--for months--and this riot at the Capital building reacted to and ended within hours? Somehow, the Portland courthouse siege wasn't viewed as an "Insurrection!"--but the unarmed rioting at the Capital buiding in DC is an "Insurrection"? The DC event was not a coup or an insurrection--it was a rally, and then a protest. The Marxist Democrats in this country can continue with their hypocrisy, their censorship, their oppression, their fraud, lies and corruption, and their subversion of our Constitutional Republic--and somehow, patriotic Americans everywhere are just expected to get on their knees and swallow it down?

I don't think that is how it will go down. The DC protest and riot is a symptom of what is to come.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security bred from familiar things and familiar ways. It narrows the mind. Weakens the body. And robs the soul of spirit and determination. Comfort is neither welcome nor tolerated here."

"Courage is not the absence of fear, but is doing what you have to, in spite of the fear."
"Let Death and Fire Be Their Portion!"
"Delenda Est Parthia!"

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2021, 04:48:35 PM »
I don't. I think Covid has been politicized in order to shift massive amounts of wealth from the middle class to the big corps.

I also don't think the DC riot was 1. About that. They specifically were there to protest the election and the appearance of impropriety that was dismissed and ridiculed by the media and politicians and 2. A good way to accomplish that goal.

It was mob mentality emotional venting. Just like BLM/Antifa.

What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2021, 05:03:46 PM »
What is a good way to accomplish anything when the court system is corrupt, your elections are corrupt and your media is corrupt?

I mean for those people that can not place a direct call to Nancy?

I don't know, like, not voting for the same type of people who feed their constituents to the corporations?  Just because they use wedge issues to pander to voters, doesn't mean they have the best interests at heart.