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Author Topic: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021  (Read 117832 times)

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1245 on: July 16, 2021, 05:25:25 PM »
Collection of Pcircling Psaki's talk about suppressing of freedom of speech here. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/394781.php (yes, Ace is right wing. Eat shit.)

Glenn Greenwald weighs in here: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/congress-escalates-pressure-on-tech

This is absolutely appalling.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1246 on: July 16, 2021, 05:52:38 PM »
I did not realise that the Capitol Police are not answerable to the American public unlike every other Executive branch.

Basically Pelosis private security force.
Whatcha gonna do? Defund them?

I already did.  I provide 0 dollars to them.  Have for years now.
Your impotent efforts have accomplished nothing.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1247 on: July 16, 2021, 06:01:43 PM »
Collection of Pcircling Psaki's talk about suppressing of freedom of speech here. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/394781.php (yes, Ace is right wing. Eat shit.)

Glenn Greenwald weighs in here: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/congress-escalates-pressure-on-tech

This is absolutely appalling.

I feel like we're at the point where the train has already jumped the chasm and is floating in midair before falling and exploding.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1248 on: July 21, 2021, 08:17:13 AM »
Collection of Pcircling Psaki's talk about suppressing of freedom of speech here. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/394781.php (yes, Ace is right wing. Eat shit.)

Glenn Greenwald weighs in here: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/congress-escalates-pressure-on-tech

This is absolutely appalling.

I feel like we're at the point where the train has already jumped the chasm and is floating in midair before falling and exploding.
Pretty much. The irony is insane.

The left spent four-plus years screaming about how Trump was a 'fascist'. Not even a full fucking year after Polident Sleepy Joe and Cackles the Kneepad Jockey are sworn in, there's Raggedy Jen Psaki talking up how the government needs to work with Facebook to block 'disinformation' and that people who are kicked off one social media platform should be removed from all of them.

Business subordinate to and working for government whims. This is literally fucking fascism.

I can grok 'I don't like Trump'. What I cannot grasp is why anyone would support this pack of retards in D.C.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1249 on: July 22, 2021, 01:07:36 PM »
"And the question is whether or not we should be in a position where are why can't the experts say we know that this virus is in fact it's going to be or excuse we know why the all the drugs approved are not temporarily approved and but permanently approved, that's underway too." --Polident Sleepy Joe.

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1250 on: July 23, 2021, 06:32:56 AM »
I really miss being able to think about the future without wondering what kind of novel ways the government is concocting to screw me over.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1251 on: July 28, 2021, 12:24:46 AM »
I really miss being able to think about the future without wondering what kind of novel ways the government is concocting to screw me over.

You've never had to wonder that before? Lucky.

How about those January 6th hearings? I guess Donald Trump will execute witnesses and commission members when he's reinstated next month, but in the meantime it's fascinating stuff.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1252 on: July 28, 2021, 12:42:09 AM »
So its not just Happydaze loving that conspiracy theory.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1253 on: July 28, 2021, 07:32:47 PM »
Collection of Pcircling Psaki's talk about suppressing of freedom of speech here. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/394781.php (yes, Ace is right wing. Eat shit.)

Glenn Greenwald weighs in here: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/congress-escalates-pressure-on-tech

This is absolutely appalling.

Nothing that didn't already happen in America. Just look for "The Sedition Act" by John Adams, or for "The New Sedition Act" by Woodroof Wilson, when America entered WWI. It was Oliver Wendell Holmes who wrote the Supreme Court opinion that found the act constitutional - after the war ended, and upholding lengthy prison terms for the defendants - arguing that the First Amendment doesn't protect speech if "the words used . . . create a clear and present danger." That's a recorded precedent.

 
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1254 on: July 28, 2021, 07:57:04 PM »
Collection of Pcircling Psaki's talk about suppressing of freedom of speech here. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/394781.php (yes, Ace is right wing. Eat shit.)

Glenn Greenwald weighs in here: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/congress-escalates-pressure-on-tech

This is absolutely appalling.

Nothing that didn't already happen in America. Just look for "The Sedition Act" by John Adams, or for "The New Sedition Act" by Woodroof Wilson, when America entered WWI. It was Oliver Wendell Holmes who wrote the Supreme Court opinion that found the act constitutional - after the war ended, and upholding lengthy prison terms for the defendants - arguing that the First Amendment doesn't protect speech if "the words used . . . create a clear and present danger." That's a recorded precedent.
Now that silence is violence I am sure the powers that be will do all they can to stop the danger.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1255 on: July 29, 2021, 08:18:17 AM »
Collection of Pcircling Psaki's talk about suppressing of freedom of speech here. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/394781.php (yes, Ace is right wing. Eat shit.)

Glenn Greenwald weighs in here: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/congress-escalates-pressure-on-tech

This is absolutely appalling.

Nothing that didn't already happen in America. Just look for "The Sedition Act" by John Adams, or for "The New Sedition Act" by Woodroof Wilson, when America entered WWI. It was Oliver Wendell Holmes who wrote the Supreme Court opinion that found the act constitutional - after the war ended, and upholding lengthy prison terms for the defendants - arguing that the First Amendment doesn't protect speech if "the words used . . . create a clear and present danger." That's a recorded precedent.
Not quite getting my point.

The mechanisms that are being deployed rely on both government AND business working hand in hand to suppress dissent, in ways that even Wilson would never have dreamed of (though he's probably got a stiffy in the afterlife over this).

This is fascism. Actual fascism.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1256 on: July 29, 2021, 09:18:07 AM »
Collection of Pcircling Psaki's talk about suppressing of freedom of speech here. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/394781.php (yes, Ace is right wing. Eat shit.)

Glenn Greenwald weighs in here: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/congress-escalates-pressure-on-tech

This is absolutely appalling.

Nothing that didn't already happen in America. Just look for "The Sedition Act" by John Adams, or for "The New Sedition Act" by Woodroof Wilson, when America entered WWI. It was Oliver Wendell Holmes who wrote the Supreme Court opinion that found the act constitutional - after the war ended, and upholding lengthy prison terms for the defendants - arguing that the First Amendment doesn't protect speech if "the words used . . . create a clear and present danger." That's a recorded precedent.
Not quite getting my point.

The mechanisms that are being deployed rely on both government AND business working hand in hand to suppress dissent, in ways that even Wilson would never have dreamed of (though he's probably got a stiffy in the afterlife over this).

Are you joking? When Wilson launched his "American Crusade in Europe" in 1917 he basically created Fascism before Mussolini even had a clue.

I would say "do a bit of research". But I hated when "Fate of Cthulhu" wrote that. My primary source is The Great Influenza, by John M. Barry, but after reading that I got curious and I got independent confirmation about what happened.

Briefly:

"The federal government [...] took control over much of national life. The War Industries Board allocated raw materials to factories, guaranteed profits, and controlled production and prices of war materials, and, with the National War Labor Board, it set wages as well. The Railroad Administration virtually nationalized the American railroad industry. The Fuel Administration controlled fuel distribution (and to save fuel it also instituted daylight savings time). The Food Administration—under Herbert Hoover—oversaw agricultural production, pricing, and distribution. [So much for the private sector]"

"Walter Lippmann [one of the most influential political journalists of the Era] wrote Wilson a memo on creating a publicity bureau on April 12, 1917, a week after America declared war. One outgrowth of the Progressive Era, of the emergence of experts in many fields, was the conviction that an elite knew best [Hmmm... Isn't Lovecraft crucified for having expressed a similar idea?]. Lippmann later called society “too big, too complex” for the average person to comprehend, since most citizens were “mentally children or barbarians. . . . Self-determination [is] only one of the many interests of a human personality.” Lippmann urged that self-rule be subordinated to “order,” “rights,” and “prosperity.”

The day after receiving the memo, Wilson issued Executive Order 2594, creating the Committee on Public Information—the CPI—and named George Creel its head. [In Italy, Mussolini created exactly the same thing in 1934. It was later named MinCulPop - "Ministero per la Cultura Popolare".]"


"Throughout the country, the American Vigilance Patrol targeted “seditious street oratory,” sometimes calling upon the police to arrest speakers for disorderly conduct, sometimes acting more . . . directly. And everywhere the league spied on neighbors, investigated “slackers” and “food hoarders,” demanded to know why people didn’t buy—or didn’t buy more—Liberty Bonds."

"Songs that might hurt morale were prohibited [...] along with “questionable jokes and other jokes, which while apparently harmless, have a hidden sting—which leave the poison of discontent and worry and anxiety in the minds of the soldiers and cause them to fret about home. . . . [T]he songs and jokes were the culmination of letter writing propaganda instigated by the Huns in which they told lying tales to the men of alleged conditions of suffering at home. [Basically, the USA went full TBP.]"

It is amazing that America was resilient enough to climb out from this hole after WWI - but, the way I see it, this problem is endemic in America's social fabric. The mass pro-war hysteria in 2003 didn't even need laws. If you spoke against the war or the President you were "cancelled ante litteram". Just ask the Dixie Chicks. When the critics were proved right, they were hated even more - a very common psychological reaction, actually.

Don't underestimate America's inclination for crystallising around one ideal, every other value, virtue and principle be damned.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1257 on: July 29, 2021, 09:36:00 AM »
It seems like you're desperately trying to find an equivalence between the current fascistic systems, and 'get woke, go broke' responses to tone-deaf entertainers (which is where the Dixie Chicks fell into).

There was no government backlash on the Chicks. Hell, there wasn't much of a corporate one either. They just decided to take a spectacularly unpopular political stance, and their audience walked off.

Meanwhile, we get things like Operation Chokepoint.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1258 on: July 29, 2021, 10:20:34 AM »
It seems like you're desperately trying to find an equivalence between the current fascistic systems, and 'get woke, go broke' responses to tone-deaf entertainers (which is where the Dixie Chicks fell into).

I'm not "desperately trying" to do anything. I'm simply pointing out how, historically, the US demonstrated over and over how they can forget their founding principles fast. In 1917-19 America became a Fascist state crystallised around the "Crusade in Europe". Should I also mention how people were arrested and interned because they taught German in high-school?

At which point you missed how Oliver Wendell Holmes created a Supreme Court Precedent about how "The First Amendment Can Be Thrown Away In Any Moment For... Reasons"?

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There was no government backlash on the Chicks. Hell, there wasn't much of a corporate one either. They just decided to take a spectacularly unpopular political stance, and their audience walked off.

And at which point you missed "The mass pro-war hysteria in 2003 didn't even need laws."? The Dixie Chicks also happened to be right - because you didn't need a genius to see how the US were about to make one of the most serious mistakes in their history, the Dixie Chicks were enough. Yet, they remained cancelled. They never recovered.

How many people, today, say sane, basic things and are cancelled for that thanks to the current climate of mass hysteria? (Which is everywhere, BTW: RPGs? Hysteria. Masks? Hysteria. Politics? Hysteria. Pop culture? Hysteria...) How many of them remain cancelled after being proven right? (answer: almost all of them) Are you seriously defending this state of things?

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Meanwhile, we get things like Operation Chokepoint.

Meanwhile, you also get things like Operation Chokepoint.
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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1259 on: July 29, 2021, 10:36:22 AM »
Show me where leftist foolishness (as opposed to conservative foolishness) has been punished with the full support and imprimatur of both corporate and government entities.