LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021

[Pat]

Okay, I tried. Many times. This time, I literally explained what I meant, you're saying no that's not true, and that I'm an authoritarian even though I'm arguing the exact opposite. You talk about wanting to have a civil discourse, and pull this shit? Fuck that, and fuck you, you miserable piece of shit. I've given up on you.

Pat, I'm not saying anything about you or your internal positions, and I don't mean this to be an attack on you.

I am criticizing the language that you are using, which isn't the same. People can use the wrong language that fails to express what they intend. I think this is one of those cases.

From my point of view, I feel like calling pro-civil-rights support "weak on law & order" falsely characterizes a movement that I support, and thus me.

I was saying that were fucking equivalent. That any difference is a rounding error. I explained this several times, after you misinterpreted my first post.

And it was a failure of comprehension on your part, not a communication failure on mine, because I used clear rhetorical techniques. In that post, I used the exact same terminology to describe the two parties, including heavy repetition (how many times did I say "law & order"?), which is a narrative method to indicate equivalence. A very strong one, in fact. It's the verbal equivalent of a thudding drum beat. The "slightly less", by contrast, indicated a very mild difference. An inconsequential one. I've explained this, at least twice now. And you've denied it, and in addition denied what I believe. Which is really shitty thing to do.

In fact, let's just look at what I actually said:

But this isn't the law & order party vs. the freedom party. It's the law & order and national defense party, and the other law & order and national defense party that voted in lockstop on things like the Patriot Act. You can argue that the second party is slightly weaker on the law & order and national defense, but only slightly, and they're much bigger in support of the growth in size and power of the government.

How the hell you can draw the conclusions you did from that?

And you are weak on civil rights. We've had this discussion before. You support the idea in general, but only when it's easy and convenient. You've come down in favor of deplatforming and the heckler veto, for instance. You're a lukewarm civil libertarian, at best.

And then you called me an authoritarian, to put a cherry on top of your shitty behavior.

[HappyDaze]

And it was a failure of comprehension on your part, not a communication failure on mine, because I used clear rhetorical techniques.

[color= Shasarak's sarcastic black]You repeat this so often and to so many different posters that it must be true.[/color]

[Ghostmaker]

'Get jobs in the renewable energy industry' they say. And yet:

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-looks-abroad-electric-vehicle-metals-blow-us-miners-2021-05-25/

But hey, no more mean tweets amirite?

This is the perfect solution fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy#:~:text=The%20perfect%20solution%20fallacy%20is,exist%20after%20it%20were%20implemented.&text=The%20fallacy%20is%20a%20type%20of%20false%20dilemma.

Just because there isn't a perfect solution doesn't mean we shouldn't try for a better solution. Coal, oil, and the other fossil fuels are a non-renewable resource that are polluting the environment and fueling climate change. Moving towards better options is the obviously better goal than no solution. What happens in other countries is an issue, but as the US is not in charge of other countries, it's harder to deal with issues there than in the US. Every liberal I know (including me) is against slavery and child labor, and want to create green-energy jobs in the US.

Stop with the fucking strawmen arguments, please. If you want to talk about a liberal's viewpoints, talk to a freaking liberal, not cherrypicking whatever news articles you want.

Well, I see someone's volunteered to be my chew toy. You gormless fucktard.

My comment was that despite Biden (and many other Democrat flunkies) blathering on about 'green jobs here in the U.S.'... they sure don't seem inclined to develop them. They'd rather throw money at foreign nations instead of putting our workforce to, y'know, work.

So basically they're going to murder entire industries, and then suffer brain damage and forget about all their promises of 'new jobs'.

I didn't say a thing about sustainability. Or perfect solutions. Only that the Democrats seem perfectly happy to fuck us in the ass.

But then, you like that, don't you?

Ooh! I've never been called that before! That's new. It's also new to be so viciously personally attacked with no provocation. I've heard conservatives been called "Broflakes" before, but I didn't know it was so true (at least in this case). Not only is this post homophobic (see the "fucked in the ass" quote), but it's also ableist (I'm assuming that "fucktard"'s etymological roots are from "fuck" and "retard", and retard is a derogatory term used on those with mental conditions, most often ASD, roughly equivalent to the n-word for mental disorders/conditions). Nice to see you letting your bigoted roots show. Be who you are at the core.

Except, you know, the Biden's infrastructure bill and the Green New Deal, both of which propose ways to transition to green jobs. Here you go, if you are okay reading "liberal propoganda" like CNBC:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/12/experts-on-green-jobs-in-bidens-climate-infrastructure-bill.html
https://kleinmanenergy.upenn.edu/news-insights/the-green-new-deal-is-the-solution-to-the-jobs-issue/

I consider "fossil fuels" to be one "entire industry". And it's not so much "murder" as it is "putting down the out-of-control rabid dog before it kills us all".

The Green Nude Eel is a grift. It was a grift under Obama; it'll be a grift under Biden. Period.

You can sit there and lecture me on how 'we're gonna have so many jobs!', yeah, but I am literally pointing out that the Biden Misadministration has already started moving them offshore before they even get established!

But hey, no more mean tweets, right?

[Pat]

And it was a failure of comprehension on your part, not a communication failure on mine, because I used clear rhetorical techniques.

[color= Shasarak's sarcastic black]You repeat this so often and to so many different posters that it must be true.[/color]

You'll notice a pattern: In every case, it happens because someone tells me what I think, and won't back down, when I explain what I do believe. It never used to happen, now it happens frequently. It seems to be a symptom of hyperpolarization.

[Shasarak]

And it was a failure of comprehension on your part, not a communication failure on mine, because I used clear rhetorical techniques.

[color= Shasarak's sarcastic black]You repeat this so often and to so many different posters that it must be true.[/color]

Thjat doesnt sounds like me.

I probably would have gone with something a bit more punchy like: Its everyone else who is wrong.

Or maybe:

[Brad]

Imagine saying that you're responsible for 0% coal usage while USING A FUCKING COMPUTER ON THE INTERNET. My God...

[Mistwell]

And it was a failure of comprehension on your part, not a communication failure on mine, because I used clear rhetorical techniques.

[color= Shasarak's sarcastic black]You repeat this so often and to so many different posters that it must be true.[/color]

You'll notice a pattern: In every case, it happens because someone tells me what I think, and won't back down, when I explain what I do believe. It never used to happen, now it happens frequently. It seems to be a symptom of hyperpolarization.

Pat why do you think aliens control Taco Bell to make burritos that contain snake meat? And don't pretend you don't. I know you think this, I just demand you explain why!

[jhkim]

How do you conclude that UndyingDM is burning up coal-produced energy? I don't see a location for him. I know that my home's power is 0% coal. The only coal plant in California is at the other end of the state in San Bernadino.

Lets pretend for a moment that you are indeed using electricity produced by 0% coal.

What about the device that you are using?  Your phone in your pocket?  The Solar Panels on your roof? 

They do not spring from the ground fully formed, they need to be forged and you can not use solar power to do that.

You're speaking as if the only two options for power are coal and solar power. A lot of forges currently use oil or natural gas rather than coal, and it's definitely possible to power them by other means - including solar power, as described in the article below.

Xcel Announces Deal to Power Steel Mill with Solar

Xcel Energy has announced an agreement with Lightsource BP and EVRAZ North America to develop a $250-million, 240-MW solar power facility in Pueblo, Colorado. The plant will provide power to the EVRAZ Rocky Mountain Steel facility in Pueblo. Xcel said the plant will be the largest on-site solar facility dedicated to a single company.

The Pueblo steel plant has long been powered by Xcel's coal-fired Comanche Generating Station. The utility plans to close the two coal units at Comanche in 2022 and 2025, respectively, in each case at least 10 years ahead of schedule. The deal announced Sept. 27 for the solar plant has been discussed for months, and must still be approved by state regulators.

Source: https://www.powermag.com/xcel-announces-deal-to-power-steel-mill-with-solar/

See also https://ieefa.org/colorado-utility-to-power-steel-mill-with-new-solar-project/

I'm not touting solar as a panacea. Every power generation has its upsides and downsides, but that doesn't mean they are all equal. If you hold all of them to the same safety and environmental standards, coal is far worse than the others, and I think it should be phased out.

[Pat]

And it was a failure of comprehension on your part, not a communication failure on mine, because I used clear rhetorical techniques.

[color= Shasarak's sarcastic black]You repeat this so often and to so many different posters that it must be true.[/color]

You'll notice a pattern: In every case, it happens because someone tells me what I think, and won't back down, when I explain what I do believe. It never used to happen, now it happens frequently. It seems to be a symptom of hyperpolarization.

Pat why do you think aliens control Taco Bell to make burritos that contain snake meat? And don't pretend you don't. I know you think this, I just demand you explain why!

I believe all of that.

The Taco Chihuahua aliens are Nordics, BTW. It's true, the real Mexicans are blonde haired, blue-eyed Scandinavians.

[Shasarak]

How do you conclude that UndyingDM is burning up coal-produced energy? I don't see a location for him. I know that my home's power is 0% coal. The only coal plant in California is at the other end of the state in San Bernadino.

Lets pretend for a moment that you are indeed using electricity produced by 0% coal.

What about the device that you are using?  Your phone in your pocket?  The Solar Panels on your roof? 

They do not spring from the ground fully formed, they need to be forged and you can not use solar power to do that.

You're speaking as if the only two options for power are coal and solar power. A lot of forges currently use oil or natural gas rather than coal, and it's definitely possible to power them by other means - including solar power, as described in the article below.

Xcel Announces Deal to Power Steel Mill with Solar

Xcel Energy has announced an agreement with Lightsource BP and EVRAZ North America to develop a $250-million, 240-MW solar power facility in Pueblo, Colorado. The plant will provide power to the EVRAZ Rocky Mountain Steel facility in Pueblo. Xcel said the plant will be the largest on-site solar facility dedicated to a single company.

The Pueblo steel plant has long been powered by Xcel's coal-fired Comanche Generating Station. The utility plans to close the two coal units at Comanche in 2022 and 2025, respectively, in each case at least 10 years ahead of schedule. The deal announced Sept. 27 for the solar plant has been discussed for months, and must still be approved by state regulators.

Source: https://www.powermag.com/xcel-announces-deal-to-power-steel-mill-with-solar/

See also https://ieefa.org/colorado-utility-to-power-steel-mill-with-new-solar-project/

I'm not touting solar as a panacea. Every power generation has its upsides and downsides, but that doesn't mean they are all equal. If you hold all of them to the same safety and environmental standards, coal is far worse than the others, and I think it should be phased out.

I accept that you do want to phase coal power generation out.  But unfortunately there is that second undecided step to your plan, what is going to fill the energy gap?

You say that California has 0% coal powered electricity production and at the same time also has rolling brownouts every summer.

Maybe you should check out Planet Of The Humans by Michael Moore which goes into the Green Energy scam a little more deeply.

[Pat]

Maybe you should check out Planet Of The Humans by Michael Moore which goes into the Green Energy scam a little more deeply.

Michael Moore just lent his name to promote it. PotH is by Jeff Gibbs.

[Shasarak]

Maybe you should check out Planet Of The Humans by Michael Moore which goes into the Green Energy scam a little more deeply.

Michael Moore just lent his name to promote it. PotH is by Jeff Gibbs.

I guess the promotion worked.

[Pat]

Maybe you should check out Planet Of The Humans by Michael Moore which goes into the Green Energy scam a little more deeply.

Michael Moore just lent his name to promote it. PotH is by Jeff Gibbs.

I guess the promotion worked.

Somebody should do a documentary about that. They could call it Michael and Me.

[Shasarak]

Maybe you should check out Planet Of The Humans by Michael Moore which goes into the Green Energy scam a little more deeply.

Michael Moore just lent his name to promote it. PotH is by Jeff Gibbs.

I guess the promotion worked.

Somebody should do a documentary about that. They could call it Michael and Me.

I wonder who should promote it?

[jhkim]

I accept that you do want to phase coal power generation out.  But unfortunately there is that second undecided step to your plan, what is going to fill the energy gap?

You say that California has 0% coal powered electricity production and at the same time also has rolling brownouts every summer.

Maybe you should check out Planet Of The Humans by Michael Moore which goes into the Green Energy scam a little more deeply.

Minor correction - California has one coal-powered electricity plant, but it's over 400 miles away from me, and I know I'm not drawing power from it.

As for what will fill the gap - I would say a mix of nuclear, wind, solar, hydro, as well as oil and natural gas. And yes, I've already seen Planet of the Humans - thanks for the recommendation. It's an important perspective. Solar and wind are not the panacea they are sometimes touted as, but that doesn't mean that there are no differences between anything and nothing matters. There are successful solar and wind installations - but there are also plenty of ill-conceived plans as well as complete scams. Plenty of other companies also aren't trustworthy - including coal companies.

As for brownouts, the average California service interruptions without major events is about 2 hours per customer per year, which is roughly the average in the U.S. If you include major events - which for us is mostly wildfires - then we have nearly 10 hours per year, which is high, but that doesn't reflect problems in power generation. For reference, Maine and West Virginia have higher interruption averages - while Michigan and Mississippi have similar.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=45796