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Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« on: May 14, 2021, 08:19:41 AM »
Greetings!

Ben Shapiro, of the Daily Wire, discusses recent congressional members of "The Squad" as well as media talking head Trevor Noah, publicly supporting Hamas, a Muslim Terrorist group. These Marxist American politicians and media people are clearly insane, and full of hatred.

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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2021, 05:37:40 PM »
Greetings!

This news event in recent days that Shapiro discusses--the Left's support of the terrorist group Hamas, reminds me of watching crowds of Liberal students in college--supported also by members of the Muslim Student Union--holding on-campus rallies and events where they screamed about their hatred of America, and of the Jews. They have long been anti-semites, with a deep hatred for Jewish people, Jewish religion, the state of Israel, and also of Christians and Christianity.

This cancer has continued to grow, and while at one time it was fairly isolated to on-campus radical student groups and racist college professors--it has now reached an even stronger position, where there are serving American political leaders in open support of Hamas, and routinely make their hatred of Jews known publicly. These people's hatred of Jews seems to continuously grow and spread.

So sad to see these monsters celebrating their hate and shrieking their desire for Israel to be exterminated.

A quixotic alliance between the Marxist left and Islam has been growing, and explains the smug Liberal's typical silence on how Muslims entire world-view is deeply oppositional to Western Civilization, and everything that allows the Liberals to even exist. In traditional Muslim countries, most of the stupid, smug Liberals in this country and abroad as well, would be swiftly beheaded or stoned to death, or have their throats cut and slaughtered like pigs.

Like Daniel Pearl, a Journalist.

The Liberals clamour for Israel to be shackled and weakened, while more support is given to Muslim regimes.

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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2021, 06:22:45 PM »
I think there's a fundamental error here of saying that everyone has to be either pro-Netanyahu or pro-Hamas.

I liken it to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s. Because they were anti-Soviet, American conservatives cheered the mujahideen including Osama Bin Laden. In film, Rambo was shown teaming up with the heroic mujahideen -- and James Bond did too. In the real world, Osama Bin Laden and his forces were given CIA training and funding.

But it was bullshit. Osama Bin Laden and the mujahideen were brave and dedicated, but they weren't actually a cause to cheer -- and giving them training and support was a mistake. The Soviet occupation was wrong, but not everyone who fought against it were positive heroes.

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I feel similarly about Israel and Palestine. I feel the Israeli occupation of Palestine is wrong, but that doesn't mean that I support Hamas.

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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2021, 06:35:58 PM »
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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2021, 06:40:38 PM »
I used to be a supprter of Palestine but frankly their continued backing of terrorists has turned their cause illegitimate in my eyes.
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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2021, 06:42:51 PM »
I used to be a supprter of Palestine but frankly their continued backing of terrorists has turned their cause illegitimate in my eyes.

yeah that's cool. I support Hamas but since that only goes as far as posts saying I support Hamas it doesn't mean shit really.
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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2021, 06:43:52 PM »
I think there's a fundamental error here of saying that everyone has to be either pro-Netanyahu or pro-Hamas.

I liken it to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s. Because they were anti-Soviet, American conservatives cheered the mujahideen including Osama Bin Laden. In film, Rambo was shown teaming up with the heroic mujahideen -- and James Bond did too. In the real world, Osama Bin Laden and his forces were given CIA training and funding.

But it was bullshit. Osama Bin Laden and the mujahideen were brave and dedicated, but they weren't actually a cause to cheer -- and giving them training and support was a mistake. The Soviet occupation was wrong, but not everyone who fought against it were positive heroes.

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I feel similarly about Israel and Palestine. I feel the Israeli occupation of Palestine is wrong, but that doesn't mean that I support Hamas.

Greetings!

Well, as Ben Shapiro discusses--these various prominent Liberals all support Hamas.

That is disgusting. Hamas is a terrorist group, and they hate Jews. They have said many times that the Jews need to be exterminated and driven into the sea. Hamas also has never been a friend to America, or any of our other allies in the West. The same goes for the PLO--also a Muslim terrorist organization.

But American Liberal cucks continue to line up in support of both Hamas and the PLO.

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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2021, 06:57:25 PM »
On this issue I don't think it's worthwhile to get baited into, "The people who I disagree with on other issues are pro-A, therefore I reflexively am anti-A."

Both groups are bad. Both groups are targeting civilians.

I see very little rational reason to support Israel here. The US has plenty of problems of their own, yet we are constantly being dragged into conflicts in the middle east for the benefit of Israel, giving them billions of dollars in aid. From my perspective the entire relationship with the US & Israel is a big money laundering scheme intended to enrich politicians and the military industrial complex.

How about instead of getting involved to handle terrorist groups thousands of miles away, we make efforts to actually target and break up terrorist groups (BLM, Antifa) in the United States that terrorized cities, burned down thousands of businesses, and assaulted & killed hundreds of people over the past year?

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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2021, 07:31:57 PM »
I think there's a fundamental error here of saying that everyone has to be either pro-Netanyahu or pro-Hamas.

I liken it to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s. Because they were anti-Soviet, American conservatives cheered the mujahideen including Osama Bin Laden. In film, Rambo was shown teaming up with the heroic mujahideen -- and James Bond did too. In the real world, Osama Bin Laden and his forces were given CIA training and funding.

But it was bullshit. Osama Bin Laden and the mujahideen were brave and dedicated, but they weren't actually a cause to cheer -- and giving them training and support was a mistake. The Soviet occupation was wrong, but not everyone who fought against it were positive heroes.

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I feel similarly about Israel and Palestine. I feel the Israeli occupation of Palestine is wrong, but that doesn't mean that I support Hamas.

   Well...if you have to choose between guys who have a more or less iron age religion they dont budge off of  and a group that is waging a war of outright genocide against women and kids.....

  I do not know that giving them support was a mistake.  Acting in ways you KNEW were going to offend and provoke them after the fact, might be a mistake.  Given how easily provoked and offended zealots are I guess it is a hard call, but the other choice is to allow genocide or take direct action (which would have touched off a nuclear war).   I can not say it is white and black with whether we should have supported Osama at the time we supported him from a moral perspective.  I CAN say with a what is best for American perspective, not supporting him or Israel is probably the best choice.   Let these people sort out their own shit.

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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2021, 07:39:19 PM »
Greetings!

Ben Shapiro, of the Daily Wire, discusses recent congressional members of "The Squad" as well as media talking head Trevor Noah, publicly supporting Hamas, a Muslim Terrorist group. These Marxist American politicians and media people are clearly insane, and full of hatred.

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   Well, they are "terrorists" and I think we can say the Boston Tea Party was an act of terrorism.  If you are the small, technologically disadvantaged group....there are pretty much ZERO ways to get and action, traction, or concessions without terrorism.   Israel is an ethnostate.  THey have high walls, tight borders and policies and papers written by groups such as APAC as to how they should be able to have strict immigration and who is allowed to vote in their country.  We pay for those high walls and a great deal of the technological advantages they possess.   When that dude who was spying for Israel was released after serving his prison time for espionage, he was greeted upon arrival to Israel with a parade by the prime minister and given a pension and set up for life to finish out his days in Israel.   Those are NOT the actions of a "friend".   Israel has always had a cozy relationship with the USSR and now Russia.   I am not on the ground there and have no idea as to what is going on (I have been to Israel though, and at the time, in the 90's, the racism was naked and outright) now a days.   I know we give way too much money to lots of countries that do not operate in our best interests or have our best interests even cross their minds.  I say let them fight it out and how ever it goes, it goes.

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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2021, 07:44:09 PM »
I think there's a fundamental error here of saying that everyone has to be either pro-Netanyahu or pro-Hamas.

I liken it to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s. Because they were anti-Soviet, American conservatives cheered the mujahideen including Osama Bin Laden. In film, Rambo was shown teaming up with the heroic mujahideen -- and James Bond did too. In the real world, Osama Bin Laden and his forces were given CIA training and funding.

But it was bullshit. Osama Bin Laden and the mujahideen were brave and dedicated, but they weren't actually a cause to cheer -- and giving them training and support was a mistake. The Soviet occupation was wrong, but not everyone who fought against it were positive heroes.

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I feel similarly about Israel and Palestine. I feel the Israeli occupation of Palestine is wrong, but that doesn't mean that I support Hamas.

Greetings!

Well, as Ben Shapiro discusses--these various prominent Liberals all support Hamas.

That is disgusting. Hamas is a terrorist group, and they hate Jews. They have said many times that the Jews need to be exterminated and driven into the sea. Hamas also has never been a friend to America, or any of our other allies in the West. The same goes for the PLO--also a Muslim terrorist organization.

But American Liberal cucks continue to line up in support of both Hamas and the PLO.

Semper Fidelis,

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  Israel is no friend of America, and honestly I do not care for any opinion Shapiro has on the matter.  He has naked bias in the matter (which is fine, he should protect the nation that he has his second citizenship available in) and in no way is going to be objective about the situation.   I guess what I probably find most amusing in the whole situation is there seem to be a large number of American Jewish people who tend to support Israel, as well as some way lefty policies and ideals, and now they have to turn to some of the folks beside them (like the lady who bangs her brother) and scratch their heads about what sort of "allies" they have standing beside them.   Interesting mess indeed.

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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2021, 08:11:52 PM »
   Well, they are "terrorists" and I think we can say the Boston Tea Party was an act of terrorism.  If you are the small, technologically disadvantaged group....there are pretty much ZERO ways to get and action, traction, or concessions without terrorism.   Israel is an ethnostate.  THey have high walls, tight borders and policies and papers written by groups such as APAC as to how they should be able to have strict immigration and who is allowed to vote in their country.  We pay for those high walls and a great deal of the technological advantages they possess.   When that dude who was spying for Israel was released after serving his prison time for espionage, he was greeted upon arrival to Israel with a parade by the prime minister and given a pension and set up for life to finish out his days in Israel.   Those are NOT the actions of a "friend".   Israel has always had a cozy relationship with the USSR and now Russia.   I am not on the ground there and have no idea as to what is going on (I have been to Israel though, and at the time, in the 90's, the racism was naked and outright) now a days.   I know we give way too much money to lots of countries that do not operate in our best interests or have our best interests even cross their minds.  I say let them fight it out and how ever it goes, it goes.

I generally agree with oggsmash here.

The label of "terrorist" is a meaningless binary that mostly just says who has the money and power in a conflict. The South African ANC were terrorists, and we supported them against the Apartheid regime. The mujahideen in Afghanistan were terrorists, and we supported them against the Soviets. The Nicaraguan Contras were terrorists, and we supported them against the Sandinistas. The Kurdish PKK are terrorists, and we supported them against Saddam Hussein.

I support freedom for the Palestinian people. I don't endorse Hamas, but I think the Palestinians are justified in violent resistance against Israeli oppression. Israel has been a constant aggressor against Palestine using military might for decades. Any time Palestinians fight back in any way, Israel cries that it's illegitimate and that the Palestinians must only use non-violence while they use American-made planes and missiles to blockade and encroach on the Palestinians.

I think we should stop spending billions to send weapons into that conflict.

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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2021, 08:19:41 PM »
   Well, they are "terrorists" and I think we can say the Boston Tea Party was an act of terrorism.  If you are the small, technologically disadvantaged group....there are pretty much ZERO ways to get and action, traction, or concessions without terrorism.   Israel is an ethnostate.  THey have high walls, tight borders and policies and papers written by groups such as APAC as to how they should be able to have strict immigration and who is allowed to vote in their country.  We pay for those high walls and a great deal of the technological advantages they possess.   When that dude who was spying for Israel was released after serving his prison time for espionage, he was greeted upon arrival to Israel with a parade by the prime minister and given a pension and set up for life to finish out his days in Israel.   Those are NOT the actions of a "friend".   Israel has always had a cozy relationship with the USSR and now Russia.   I am not on the ground there and have no idea as to what is going on (I have been to Israel though, and at the time, in the 90's, the racism was naked and outright) now a days.   I know we give way too much money to lots of countries that do not operate in our best interests or have our best interests even cross their minds.  I say let them fight it out and how ever it goes, it goes.

I generally agree with oggsmash here.

The label of "terrorist" is a meaningless binary that mostly just says who has the money and power in a conflict. The South African ANC were terrorists, and we supported them against the Apartheid regime. The mujahideen in Afghanistan were terrorists, and we supported them against the Soviets. The Nicaraguan Contras were terrorists, and we supported them against the Sandinistas. The Kurdish PKK are terrorists, and we supported them against Saddam Hussein.

I support freedom for the Palestinian people. I don't endorse Hamas, but I think the Palestinians are justified in violent resistance against Israeli oppression. Israel has been a constant aggressor against Palestine using military might for decades. Any time Palestinians fight back in any way, Israel cries that it's illegitimate and that the Palestinians must only use non-violence while they use American-made planes and missiles to blockade and encroach on the Palestinians.

I think we should stop spending billions to send weapons into that conflict.

  I dont think you can call Osama's guys terrorists while they were fighting Soviets....fighting a violent occupying force is not terrorism even if we stretch the definition to the limit.  Later, sure they definitely engaged in and supported terrorism, but I think context matters.  Osama ran a rough regime once they got rid of the USSR, but he only turned his ire to the USA once we started driving tanks across holy land to invade Iraq.  We invaded Iraq for taking military action against a nation opening stealing their sovereign oil.  I wonder what the USA would do if Canada or Mexico started angle drilling US oil deposits?    I agree 100 percent though, the time for the USA to fund ANYONE is long over.  Much less to fund people engaging in violence.

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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2021, 08:44:47 PM »
   Well, they are "terrorists" and I think we can say the Boston Tea Party was an act of terrorism.  If you are the small, technologically disadvantaged group....there are pretty much ZERO ways to get and action, traction, or concessions without terrorism.   Israel is an ethnostate.  THey have high walls, tight borders and policies and papers written by groups such as APAC as to how they should be able to have strict immigration and who is allowed to vote in their country.  We pay for those high walls and a great deal of the technological advantages they possess.   When that dude who was spying for Israel was released after serving his prison time for espionage, he was greeted upon arrival to Israel with a parade by the prime minister and given a pension and set up for life to finish out his days in Israel.   Those are NOT the actions of a "friend".   Israel has always had a cozy relationship with the USSR and now Russia.   I am not on the ground there and have no idea as to what is going on (I have been to Israel though, and at the time, in the 90's, the racism was naked and outright) now a days.   I know we give way too much money to lots of countries that do not operate in our best interests or have our best interests even cross their minds.  I say let them fight it out and how ever it goes, it goes.

I generally agree with oggsmash here.

The label of "terrorist" is a meaningless binary that mostly just says who has the money and power in a conflict. The South African ANC were terrorists, and we supported them against the Apartheid regime. The mujahideen in Afghanistan were terrorists, and we supported them against the Soviets. The Nicaraguan Contras were terrorists, and we supported them against the Sandinistas. The Kurdish PKK are terrorists, and we supported them against Saddam Hussein.

I support freedom for the Palestinian people. I don't endorse Hamas, but I think the Palestinians are justified in violent resistance against Israeli oppression. Israel has been a constant aggressor against Palestine using military might for decades. Any time Palestinians fight back in any way, Israel cries that it's illegitimate and that the Palestinians must only use non-violence while they use American-made planes and missiles to blockade and encroach on the Palestinians.

I think we should stop spending billions to send weapons into that conflict.

  I dont think you can call Osama's guys terrorists while they were fighting Soviets....fighting a violent occupying force is not terrorism even if we stretch the definition to the limit.  Later, sure they definitely engaged in and supported terrorism, but I think context matters.  Osama ran a rough regime once they got rid of the USSR, but he only turned his ire to the USA once we started driving tanks across holy land to invade Iraq.  We invaded Iraq for taking military action against a nation opening stealing their sovereign oil.  I wonder what the USA would do if Canada or Mexico started angle drilling US oil deposits?    I agree 100 percent though, the time for the USA to fund ANYONE is long over.  Much less to fund people engaging in violence.

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Quite right, Ogg! Context *matters*. AT THE TIME--the Muhajadeen were NOT terrorists--they were resisting the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan by the Russians--who were our enemy and political opponent at the time. Literally years later--if not actually *decades*--the fact that Osama Bin Laden became a terrorist leader, and opposed to America--does not change the fact and solid justification for America to assist the Muhajadeen during their war against the Communist Soviet Union. Anyone that attempts to make such an argument is arguing after-the-fact, with reading future developments into a situation in the past where such simply did not exist at the time.

Having said that, in regards to America getting involved in any current affair in the Middle East, I remain skeptical and conservative. Let the folks over there handle their own business, however it shakes out. America doesn't need to send American troops into the fire every time some fucking tribe of barbarians wants to have a fucking fit. Let them all fight to the death with each other.

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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2021, 08:48:50 PM »
   Well, they are "terrorists" and I think we can say the Boston Tea Party was an act of terrorism.  If you are the small, technologically disadvantaged group....there are pretty much ZERO ways to get and action, traction, or concessions without terrorism.   Israel is an ethnostate.  THey have high walls, tight borders and policies and papers written by groups such as APAC as to how they should be able to have strict immigration and who is allowed to vote in their country.  We pay for those high walls and a great deal of the technological advantages they possess.   When that dude who was spying for Israel was released after serving his prison time for espionage, he was greeted upon arrival to Israel with a parade by the prime minister and given a pension and set up for life to finish out his days in Israel.   Those are NOT the actions of a "friend".   Israel has always had a cozy relationship with the USSR and now Russia.   I am not on the ground there and have no idea as to what is going on (I have been to Israel though, and at the time, in the 90's, the racism was naked and outright) now a days.   I know we give way too much money to lots of countries that do not operate in our best interests or have our best interests even cross their minds.  I say let them fight it out and how ever it goes, it goes.

I generally agree with oggsmash here.

The label of "terrorist" is a meaningless binary that mostly just says who has the money and power in a conflict. The South African ANC were terrorists, and we supported them against the Apartheid regime. The mujahideen in Afghanistan were terrorists, and we supported them against the Soviets. The Nicaraguan Contras were terrorists, and we supported them against the Sandinistas. The Kurdish PKK are terrorists, and we supported them against Saddam Hussein.

I support freedom for the Palestinian people. I don't endorse Hamas, but I think the Palestinians are justified in violent resistance against Israeli oppression. Israel has been a constant aggressor against Palestine using military might for decades. Any time Palestinians fight back in any way, Israel cries that it's illegitimate and that the Palestinians must only use non-violence while they use American-made planes and missiles to blockade and encroach on the Palestinians.

I think we should stop spending billions to send weapons into that conflict.

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Well, Jhkim, using the term "Terrorist" is not meaningless in regards to Hamas and the PLO. For *decades* they have sponsored terrorism against Israel, our Arab allies, our European allies, and Americans. DECADES.

They are enemies of America, and of Western Civilization. They are fucking barbarians, and they should all be choked with napalm.

Those fucking scum have killed US Marines. They can all fucking die in terrible agony. Fuck them.

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"Courage is not the absence of fear, but is doing what you have to, in spite of the fear."
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