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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2021, 06:20:45 PM »
Greetings!

Ben Shapiro, of the Daily Wire, discusses recent congressional members of "The Squad" as well as media talking head Trevor Noah, publicly supporting Hamas, a Muslim Terrorist group. These Marxist American politicians and media people are clearly insane, and full of hatred.

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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2021, 06:25:33 PM »
I think there's a fundamental error here of saying that everyone has to be either pro-Netanyahu or pro-Hamas.

I liken it to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s. Because they were anti-Soviet, American conservatives cheered the mujahideen including Osama Bin Laden. In film, Rambo was shown teaming up with the heroic mujahideen -- and James Bond did too. In the real world, Osama Bin Laden and his forces were given CIA training and funding.

But it was bullshit. Osama Bin Laden and the mujahideen were brave and dedicated, but they weren't actually a cause to cheer -- and giving them training and support was a mistake. The Soviet occupation was wrong, but not everyone who fought against it were positive heroes.

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I feel similarly about Israel and Palestine. I feel the Israeli occupation of Palestine is wrong, but that doesn't mean that I support Hamas.

What parts of "Palestine" should be returned to the muslim terrorists?

You're aware (I hope) that the "occupation" of the east bank is due to the Muslims war trying to destroy Israel no?

I hope also you're aware that this new bout was initiated (as always) by the terrorists.
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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2021, 06:29:11 PM »
I think there's a fundamental error here of saying that everyone has to be either pro-Netanyahu or pro-Hamas.

I liken it to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s. Because they were anti-Soviet, American conservatives cheered the mujahideen including Osama Bin Laden. In film, Rambo was shown teaming up with the heroic mujahideen -- and James Bond did too. In the real world, Osama Bin Laden and his forces were given CIA training and funding.

But it was bullshit. Osama Bin Laden and the mujahideen were brave and dedicated, but they weren't actually a cause to cheer -- and giving them training and support was a mistake. The Soviet occupation was wrong, but not everyone who fought against it were positive heroes.

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I feel similarly about Israel and Palestine. I feel the Israeli occupation of Palestine is wrong, but that doesn't mean that I support Hamas.

   Well...if you have to choose between guys who have a more or less iron age religion they dont budge off of  and a group that is waging a war of outright genocide against women and kids.....

  I do not know that giving them support was a mistake.  Acting in ways you KNEW were going to offend and provoke them after the fact, might be a mistake.  Given how easily provoked and offended zealots are I guess it is a hard call, but the other choice is to allow genocide or take direct action (which would have touched off a nuclear war).   I can not say it is white and black with whether we should have supported Osama at the time we supported him from a moral perspective.  I CAN say with a what is best for American perspective, not supporting him or Israel is probably the best choice.   Let these people sort out their own shit.

"Genocide" https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/

The only reason the IDF ends up killing children and women is because Hamas uses them as shields by launching their missiles from schools and such.
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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2021, 07:30:42 PM »
Greetings!

Ben Shapiro, of the Daily Wire, discusses recent congressional members of "The Squad" as well as media talking head Trevor Noah, publicly supporting Hamas, a Muslim Terrorist group. These Marxist American politicians and media people are clearly insane, and full of hatred.

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Greetings!

True, my friend. very true. I think it is always good to highlight how such prominent Liberal Marxists--in the media and our government--are embracing such racism and hatred. It isn't like the figures that Shapiro is discussing are shadowy, unknown misanthropes lurking in their parent's basement somewhere.

They are front and center in American society.

It also shows--for the entire world to see--exactly how fraudulent, morally repugnant, and evil the Liberal Marxists are. Today it is the Jews and conservative Christians that are their targets of choice, along with shrieks against *anyone that voted for President Trump*.

The Jews are on the plate first, though the Liberal Marxists have a long list of people that they want to crush, imprison, and slaughter.

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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2021, 07:35:15 PM »
seems like the entire world is real bad at seeing it though, i mean if it's that obvious and we're still kicking
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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2021, 08:42:47 PM »
I say let them fight it out and how ever it goes, it goes.

They did that already, how many times now, and yet here we are.

  Yes, but never without MASSIVE economic and military support from the USA.  I think lets have them give it a try without that.   I suspect Palastine will suddenly have some very willing allies helping them out.  But you are mistaken if you think i dont know that Israel comes out on top of this latest round of poo flinging.  I just think down the road they can determine their own fates without our Mastercard going to their betterment.

You talk about how the US funds Israel but somehow fail to mention every other country in the world that the US is also funding.

At least the money being poured in Israel is supporting a winner for once.

  Incorrect I was pretty clear it was long past time for the USA to stop funding anyone.  Period.  Considering this might be the only people we funded with actual nukes, it seems our support goes way above and beyond where the USA normally supports the welfare line of nations.

You would not even have nukes if it was not for the Jews so...what are you complaining about?

Next you will be complaining about giving Israel Jewish Space Lasers.

  So now Jew and Israeli are the same thing?   I think they are not, especially in the context of a man who was American.   I did not know we were going to assign religious or ethnic tags to USA inventions.  I am complaining I do not care for MY money to help fund bullshit in another country. ANY other country.  That is what I am complaining about.

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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2021, 09:07:39 PM »
The only reason the IDF ends up killing children and women is because Hamas uses them as shields by launching their missiles from schools and such.
There is truth to that, however if you've been to Israel (easy to do, a bit harder to tourist the PA) you'll know just how densely populated most of the Israel-PA area is. And the countries are overall very small - Israel is 17km across at its narrowest point, from the outer edge of the West Bank to the sea. Gaza is 356km2, and not more than a few kilometres wide, have a look on google maps. Even if both sides scrupulously adhered to the various war crimes laws and so on, there'd still be horrendous civilian casualties. You can't chuck a hand grenade at a grunt without catching some poor civilian in the blast.

The same is true for much of Israel and PA. Which is of course an extra reason for maintaining peace there. The costs of war are simply too high for everyone involved.
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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2021, 09:35:17 PM »
The only reason the IDF ends up killing children and women is because Hamas uses them as shields by launching their missiles from schools and such.
There is truth to that, however if you've been to Israel (easy to do, a bit harder to tourist the PA) you'll know just how densely populated most of the Israel-PA area is. And the countries are overall very small - Israel is 17km across at its narrowest point, from the outer edge of the West Bank to the sea. Gaza is 356km2, and not more than a few kilometres wide, have a look on google maps. Even if both sides scrupulously adhered to the various war crimes laws and so on, there'd still be horrendous civilian casualties. You can't chuck a hand grenade at a grunt without catching some poor civilian in the blast.

The same is true for much of Israel and PA. Which is of course an extra reason for maintaining peace there. The costs of war are simply too high for everyone involved.
  I have been and I agree.   I have a vivid memory of a few things (some are dumb), like watching the Jim Carey movie The Mask with subtitles in Hebrew, spending an evening in a dockside bar (and finding out why we were forbidden to be in the dockside bars after talking to the "house" prostitutes who were 24 shekels (I think 8 bucks) for a "full ride", and meeting the detachment of Russian Infantry assigned to the Russian ship that was ALSO docked while were were there (in Haifa)...which lead to some interesting intra-military armwrestling matches and russians all screaming BUDWEISER after every match and buying all the americans one...which they were imports, way overpriced, and I hate BUD.  But I did get a chance to see something very interesting, a package was left unattended and calls to give space and the bomb squad was there inside of 15 minutes (near the local mall).  It did make me realize everyone living there is under a level of tension that people in the USA, and pretty much all of the western world do not understand. 

    I also got a chance to see that Israel has (or at least had) some laws that raised an eyebrow a time or two from me, and as I do not get all the details, I rather let them sort their own shit. I was also in Turkey a week or so before Israel and met a couple Israeli Newlyweds there.  They were nice, and we talked to them and hung around them quite a bit (though If I were Israeli, even if Sephardic..damned if I would take the honeymoon in Turkey) and they flat out asked if we would go with them when they went out in town as they felt safer.  They said they felt much safer at the Hotel (the hotels were very nice for the price and most of the tourists hanging around them were Germans, so if you can tolerate all the wrong people wearing thongs and going topless that is ok I guess)  Talking with that couple, they were also clear cut about how they felt about palestine, and the people in the strip.  Full removal seemed to be their idea (and I know, just one anectdotal opinion) and they did not care how, as they saw a continued existence at some point was going to mean one group or the other had to leave or die, and Israelis have no intention of leaving.

  So taking that experience, and watching over the 3 decades since how many US politicians seem VERY loyal to Israel,both parties,  and seeing how much money, spying (on the USA, an ally), and getting military hardware I am at a point where I think they are all stocked up and ready to sort it out themselves.    I guess reading support for open borders here and very tight borders and very tight controls on who gets to vote and be in Israel coming from APAC sort of soured me on pouring money and aid into Israel.  Watching BB congratulate that former spy and give him awards and money for life when he got to Israel didnt do much for me either.  So I guess I am done with them regarding supporting whatever goes on in their country.  I am not against them either, they are just not my business.

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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2021, 10:15:00 PM »
   Complete side track story to follow:
  Ok talking about Israel here has stirred some memories, and especially the night we (me and 4-5 other guys in my department from the Ship) were in the bar by the docks in Israel.   The story I will attempt to tell here to maybe lighten the mood/sidetrack/allow me to wallow in memory. 

  First, why were were in a dockside dive bar on the bad side of Haifa, Israel.  A couple friends and I had watched a movie at a mall (Mask, with Carrey, it was turrible) and we were walking along the road to see what we ran across.  As mentioned Israel has some narrow spots and as I remember Haifa seemed fairly small in a square mileage sense, and we figured sooner or later we would end up at some bar or place to hang out and maybe get a bite to eat.   It was night and we walked along the road and saw a couple guys we knew on a patio at a bar having a beer.  We also noticed we were by the water and these were the bars that were explicitly mentioned in the POD (plan of the day) for us to avoid.  We decide what harm can a couple beers on the patio do?  So we walked over and had a few beers and moved inside the bar.  The place was a dive, big time.  It actually had a trio of house prostitutes working there, one with the body of a 20 year old and the face of a 50 year old, another who was....a bit heavy for my taste, and another who looked to be about 8 months pregnant.   I remember talking a bit to one of the ladies (hardbody with old lady face) and she was pleasant, but I already knew the price tag for the ladies' time (about 8 bucks, as then the shekel was 3 to a dollar) and I have never cared for prostitution.  Now, I can not say I have some high minded moral objection, but we had been to Turkey a week or so before this and they have brothels (Israel does as well, more on that later) and many of the women working in the brothels in Turkey are working off an imprisoned husbands sentence or debt (not paying a debt lands you in prison over there back then) and to me it is a sad situation.

    Any way, the lady who was talking to us ends up keeping company with another fellow who is in the bar.  He is a merchant marine and 100 percent the image that would taint all Americans if anyone came into contact with him.  He constantly bragged loudly about how much money he made, how much money he had while very drunk, quite fat, and all the things we was going to do to the working lady (for simplicity sake I will call her Disa).   Here again, I say do as you will, but the level of disrespect this guy was putting on a prostitute was IMO out of line.  In any event some fellow comes into the Bar.  I do not know his nationality (Israel is diverse, and lots of people are blonde and blue eyed), but he spoke hebrew and russian and we were guessing he might be an immigrant from russia.  He was taking the loudmouthed merchant Marine's comments (I will call him dipshit from here on out) extremely personally.  I do not know if he new Disa or not, he looked to be around 20, was tall and thin and blonde haired and blue eyed.  She was much darker complexion, do not know if she was Arabic or Sephardic Jewish but I felt pretty sure they were not related.   

     So this goes on for a bit with dipshit trying to humiliate disa, and the blonde kid (I will call him ruskie from here on out) getting very agitated.  Finally, disa basically tells dipshit there will be no pay for play; we step forward and calm dipshit down and he sits and drinks his beer and disa goes over to the bar talking to ruskie.  I decide I am hungry, so i go out to the gyro guy who is set up near the bar patio.  Well I am lost in my thin sliced lamb and tazeeki (bad spelling I know) sauce and just as I finish, disa come running out to the gyro trailer and snatches a carving knife off the rack, a knife with a 20" blade.  She is screaming in what I guess was Hebrew and swinging side to side like she plans to kill someone.  I was a few feet away, so i get the fuck out of her reach wondering WTF is going on.  Well dipshit is coming toward the door shouting something.  Ruskie decides he has had enough and he and dipshit start to fight.  As all these drunken things look, it was a mess.  We are enjoying the spectacle while making sure to stay clear of the shortsword wielding hooker. Then, probably one of the most humorous things I have ever seen happens.  Ruskie drops a bit and throws a straight cross at dipshit's midsection.  He hits him right on the belly button and dipshit's pants immediately pop open and the pressure of holding back his flabalanche cause his pants to unzip and fall to his ankles all in what looked like one motion.  He is standing in the door of the bar, chasing ruskie out the door with the baby steps caused by his current condition in his whitie tighties.  The sight of a man with his pants around his ankles still trying to fight and pursue another dude had me in tears laughing.  They engage a bit more at a crowded table (full of Russian soldiers and sailors)  and dipshit lands a solid punch KTFO'ing ruskie outright.  At this point I step in and restrain dipshit from doing any more damage as he is trying to both pull up his pants and hit his fallen foe.   My other buds convince dipshit it might be best to leave, disa gets the wobbly russian kid up and takes him around the other side of the building.  A guy at the table, his name was Sergey, I remember that because he introduced himself and asked me my name.  He said I did the right thing and said I deserved a "BUTTWIDER immediately MY FRIEND", and bought be a nice $4.5 bud (insane dive bar price for an import).  Before i could tell him I hate bud I had one in my hand and was drinking it. This was a serious situation, because were  expressly forbidden from any interaction with Russian military or nationals for that matter under all circumstances.   I will tell more later if I dont get into trouble for derailing.
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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #54 on: May 16, 2021, 10:40:31 PM »
On Pundit's forum nobody is ever getting in trouble for turning a political thread into one about gaming.

And so, Ogg, how am I going to put this kind of combat in my game rules? Do I need a fumble chart where your pants might fall down? Special Drunken Slob Fight rules?
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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #55 on: May 16, 2021, 10:55:40 PM »
So now Jew and Israeli are the same thing?

You are catching on.

But in any case, your money is not funding another country so you dont need to worry about that.
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« Reply #56 on: May 16, 2021, 11:50:54 PM »
The only reason the IDF ends up killing children and women is because Hamas uses them as shields by launching their missiles from schools and such.
There is truth to that, however if you've been to Israel (easy to do, a bit harder to tourist the PA) you'll know just how densely populated most of the Israel-PA area is. And the countries are overall very small - Israel is 17km across at its narrowest point, from the outer edge of the West Bank to the sea. Gaza is 356km2, and not more than a few kilometres wide, have a look on google maps. Even if both sides scrupulously adhered to the various war crimes laws and so on, there'd still be horrendous civilian casualties. You can't chuck a hand grenade at a grunt without catching some poor civilian in the blast.

The same is true for much of Israel and PA. Which is of course an extra reason for maintaining peace there. The costs of war are simply too high for everyone involved.

Who warns the civilians in a building where the terrorists are launching missiles from?

Who puts their missile launching shit on appartment buildings, schools, hospitals, etc?

Who launches missiles into civilian areas trying to kill civilians?

1.- Israel

2.- Hamas

3.- Hamas

Now tell me who are the ones doing ANY effort not to kill the civilians from the other side?
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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2021, 12:03:05 AM »
I am not really interested in getting into that. As someone who lost someone very close to me to the Al-Aksar Martyr's Brigades, and as someone who has felt the weight of a pack on my back in a distant and unpleasant land, I say: the competition of who is more or less murderous, who started it, etc, is all rather juvenile, and not conducive to peace.

I merely point out that even with a very scrupulous military, a conflict in such a densely-populated area will necessarily lead to many civilian casualties. A military which is less scrupulous, or lacking the means for proper targeting etc, even more.

Which makes achieving peace even more important.
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Re: Leftists Support Terrorist Hamas Against Israel
« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2021, 04:18:32 AM »
What parts of "Palestine" should be returned to the muslim terrorists Palestinians?

All of it.

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« Reply #59 on: May 17, 2021, 05:26:57 AM »
I think there's a fundamental error here of saying that everyone has to be either pro-Netanyahu or pro-Hamas.

I liken it to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s. Because they were anti-Soviet, American conservatives cheered the mujahideen including Osama Bin Laden. In film, Rambo was shown teaming up with the heroic mujahideen -- and James Bond did too. In the real world, Osama Bin Laden and his forces were given CIA training and funding.

But it was bullshit. Osama Bin Laden and the mujahideen were brave and dedicated, but they weren't actually a cause to cheer -- and giving them training and support was a mistake. The Soviet occupation was wrong, but not everyone who fought against it were positive heroes.

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I feel similarly about Israel and Palestine. I feel the Israeli occupation of Palestine is wrong, but that doesn't mean that I support Hamas.

What parts of "Palestine" should be returned to the muslim terrorists?

You're aware (I hope) that the "occupation" of the east bank is due to the Muslims war trying to destroy Israel no?

I hope also you're aware that this new bout was initiated (as always) by the terrorists.

Greetings!

The fucking Arab nations have been trying to exterminate the Jews for decades now. The MUSLIMS started every goddamned war over there against the nation of Israel. 1948, 1956, 1967, 1972, and essentially since the 1980's to the present. The Muslim terrorists need to swallow napalm. The Jews should be victorious. All the stupid whining and handwringing in Europe and here in America by those that want to cuck for the Muslims is shameful, and disgusting. America wouldn't tolerate terrorists based in Mexico to launch terrorist attacks into America every year, slaughtering innocent Americans in the streets, and making rocket attacks into our cities throughout California, Arizona, and Texas every three or four years. We would demand that every last one of them be hunted down and exterminated. Every fucking one of them. And yet, so many morons here like to mewl like pussy sheep, well, the Jews should show *restraint*.

Fuck that. The terrorist scum want war? They should be shown what war is like, relentlessly.

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