Leftist Curriculum Taught to American Children

[Pat]

I have read Fahrenheit 451, and 1984, and other dystopian books that conservatives love to refer to so much.

By the nature of tolerance, you have to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints. The Tautology of Intolerance does not refute that. If we're tolerant of Nazis, their viewpoints, and their actions, then Jews and a ton of other people will be killed/otherwise discriminated against. The only way to deal with Nazi and similar intolerant groups in a tolerant society is to be intolerant of them. That's why it's called the "Paradox of Tolerance", because you have to reject some viewpoints in order to embrace the rest.

So George Orwell, avowed socialist until his death, is a conservative? Your attempt to falsely pigeonhole people leads to some absurd conundrums, doesn't?

And no, tolerance requiring intolerance is just false. You're rejecting the entire principle of freedom of speech, while trying to pretend you're supporting free discourse and puppies. One of the fallacies you're using is conflating actions (killed/discriminated against) with words and viewpoints. We can stop bad actions, but we need to allow divergent opinions and speech, even ones as offensive and as opposed to freedom of speech and other liberal ideals as yours, and allow the marketplace of ideas to work. Otherwise, we can't have a tolerant society. Because, as we're seeing now, the boundaries of "tolerance" will quickly shift, until anything except the One Approved View is suppressed. It's the start of a totalitarian state.

There is a kernel of truth in the Paradox of Tolerance, but only a small kernel. It's largely used to describe anonymous internet behavior, which is a very unique situation, that creates some unique pressures. If you're interested in a nuanced example of how exactly internet discourse can go wrong, and you're willing to read a lengthy essay on the subject, here's a good analysis:
https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/02/22/rip-culture-war-thread/

[UndyingDM]

Tucker Carlson is a racist, white-nationalist, idiotic fucker that should not be listened to under any circumstance. If any of you are capable of even listening to the "other side's" views, I recommend this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
(No doubt, you think of John Oliver in the same manner that I think of Tucker Carlson, but that's likely due to the genetic fallacy. I despise Tucker Carlson because of his words and actions, not because of his political party.)

Ah, yet another open and understanding "liberal" pushing for what appears to be an idea of censorship.  I do not believe in the Bible, but I read it.  I do not think Islam has ANY value at all to western civilization, but I read the Koran.   I can not stand totalitarian leftists, but I will watch the young turks (who named their show in such a manner that denotes celebrating a genocidal gang) and a few other similar leftists who are pretty up front with their agendas.  Both Tucker and Oliver are people who read what writers wrote for them, and both like to make some money from appealing to a side's world view or feelz.   

   Everyone knows Tucker is racist, because ANY time you point out something as a white person, well its racist.  Everything is racist, America, and everything about it, its history and its institutions are white supremacist.  So I think to get some insults or pejoratives that have any bite you may want to dig a bit deeper into the newspeak lexicon.

Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

Have you ever heard of the Tautology of Intolerance? If you're intolerant, then you're not tolerant, even if you ban all the people who dare to point that out.

I suggest reading Fahrenheit 451.

I have read Fahrenheit 451, and 1984, and other dystopian books that conservatives love to refer to so much.

By the nature of tolerance, you have to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints. The Tautology of Intolerance does not refute that. If we're tolerant of Nazis, their viewpoints, and their actions, then Jews and a ton of other people will be killed/otherwise discriminated against. The only way to deal with Nazi and similar intolerant groups in a tolerant society is to be intolerant of them. That's why it's called the "Paradox of Tolerance", because you have to reject some viewpoints in order to embrace the rest.

   But we want to be sure to tolerate Islam because........I mean if Jews being killed or discriminated against is a problem.......

Don't. Seriously, don't go there. It's one thing to acknowledge the conflict between Islam and Judaism as a pervasive problem that needs addressing, and it's another to accuse all islamic people of being racist/anti-Semitic/genocidal. If your answer to discrimination against Jews is to discriminate against Islam, you need to think that over to find the issue there. There's no "fighting fire with fire" when it comes to religious discrimination.

[oggsmash]

Tucker Carlson is a racist, white-nationalist, idiotic fucker that should not be listened to under any circumstance. If any of you are capable of even listening to the "other side's" views, I recommend this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
(No doubt, you think of John Oliver in the same manner that I think of Tucker Carlson, but that's likely due to the genetic fallacy. I despise Tucker Carlson because of his words and actions, not because of his political party.)

Ah, yet another open and understanding "liberal" pushing for what appears to be an idea of censorship.  I do not believe in the Bible, but I read it.  I do not think Islam has ANY value at all to western civilization, but I read the Koran.   I can not stand totalitarian leftists, but I will watch the young turks (who named their show in such a manner that denotes celebrating a genocidal gang) and a few other similar leftists who are pretty up front with their agendas.  Both Tucker and Oliver are people who read what writers wrote for them, and both like to make some money from appealing to a side's world view or feelz.   

   Everyone knows Tucker is racist, because ANY time you point out something as a white person, well its racist.  Everything is racist, America, and everything about it, its history and its institutions are white supremacist.  So I think to get some insults or pejoratives that have any bite you may want to dig a bit deeper into the newspeak lexicon.

Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

Have you ever heard of the Tautology of Intolerance? If you're intolerant, then you're not tolerant, even if you ban all the people who dare to point that out.

I suggest reading Fahrenheit 451.

I have read Fahrenheit 451, and 1984, and other dystopian books that conservatives love to refer to so much.

By the nature of tolerance, you have to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints. The Tautology of Intolerance does not refute that. If we're tolerant of Nazis, their viewpoints, and their actions, then Jews and a ton of other people will be killed/otherwise discriminated against. The only way to deal with Nazi and similar intolerant groups in a tolerant society is to be intolerant of them. That's why it's called the "Paradox of Tolerance", because you have to reject some viewpoints in order to embrace the rest.

   But we want to be sure to tolerate Islam because........I mean if Jews being killed or discriminated against is a problem.......

Don't. Seriously, don't go there. It's one thing to acknowledge the conflict between Islam and Judaism as a pervasive problem that needs addressing, and it's another to accuse all islamic people of being racist/anti-Semitic/genocidal. If your answer to discrimination against Jews is to discriminate against Islam, you need to think that over to find the issue there. There's no "fighting fire with fire" when it comes to religious discrimination.

    Islam has issue with judaism.   This is in the text, they are taxed and treated differently than a Muslim.  In fairness they also tax and treat Christians differently, and slaughter idolaters and atheists.  But if you have issue with the text as written, take it up with the book.   I have no doubts there are Muslims who do not adopt that view (and the fundamentalists, which are a HUGE portion of the Muslim population, call them bad Muslims) and especially the ones focused on broad economic issues or living in non Muslim governed nations.   But I think you do not know very much about Islam.  It is different from Christianity, where they feel render unto the lord what is his, and render unto caesar what is his (meaning they feel faith and government are different things largely) whereas Islam maps out ALL aspects of life. 

[RPGPundit]

Another day another communist shit stain to add to the ignore list.

Bet he's on there already under another name.

   I think you are dead on.  I also think it is pretty easy to tell the other name.

Y'all are accusing me of being a different poster? *eyeroll* Think what you want, but I've never been on this site before I made this account. If you want, you can ask RPGPundit to check my email address to see if I'm telling the truth, or however you prove that.

Just because I disagree with you does not make me a troll and it doesn't mean that I'm sockpuppeting.

This dude thinks that using different email addresses means we can't tell when he's sockpuppeting. Banned.

[BoxCrayonTales]

If the USA was an evil racist hellhole, then people wouldn't be scrambling to migrate here from Mexico and Africa. The most successful citizens wouldn't be Asian-Americans on average.

There's always room for improvement, but when isn't there?

[Shasarak]

Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

Have you ever heard of the Tautology of Intolerance? If you're intolerant, then you're not tolerant, even if you ban all the people who dare to point that out.

The Paradox of Tolerance reminds of when Jesus said "Love Thy Neighbor, But Not If They Are Bigots Cause Fuck Those Guys"

[SHARK]

Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

Have you ever heard of the Tautology of Intolerance? If you're intolerant, then you're not tolerant, even if you ban all the people who dare to point that out.

The Paradox of Tolerance reminds of when Jesus said "Love Thy Neighbor, But Not If They Are Bigots Cause Fuck Those Guys"

Greetings!

That's right, Shasarak!

Fuck the "Paradox of Tolerance." That's just a fancied up way of crushing freedom of speech, and crushing anyone that doesn't suck down the fucking Marxist jello.

Open wide, and gulp down our tolerance jello!

Fucking Marxist cuck probably has that lit up, dewy-eyed soy-boy look, wearing pajamas, while getting fucked in the ass.

TRUE freedom means there is people in society allowed to say things that you consider to be racist, bigoted, phobic, or otherwise "intolerant."

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Pat]

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
-- Poetic variation on a prose confession by Father Martin Niemöller, displayed at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
-- H.L. Mencken

Tolerate does not mean "like". If you believe in tolerance, it doesn't mean supporting people who already agree with you. And it's not enough to extend it to those who disagree with you in inoffensive ways. Tolerance means learning to live with, and suffer the words, not just of people you don't care about one way or the other, but also people who you don't like, and even people you despise. It doesn't matter their color or creed, their ideology or nationality, or their personal beliefs. It's about shared human dignity, and the faith that, when people are allowed to make up their own minds, good ideas will flourish and bad ideas will wither.

[Ghostmaker]

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
-- Poetic variation on a prose confession by Father Martin Niemöller, displayed at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
-- H.L. Mencken

Tolerate does not mean "like". If you believe in tolerance, it doesn't mean supporting people who already agree with you. And it's not enough to extend it to those who disagree with you in inoffensive ways. Tolerance means learning to live with, and suffer the words, not just of people you don't care about one way or the other, but also people who you don't like, and even people you despise. It doesn't matter their color or creed, their ideology or nationality, or their personal beliefs. It's about shared human dignity, and the faith that, when people are allowed to make up their own minds, good ideas will flourish and bad ideas will wither.

Think of it as a Venn diagram.

Big circle is 'things I tolerate'. Nickelback, surly cashiers, Mistwell, and people who always need to borrow my dice.

Within that circle, a smaller circle, labeled 'things I like and approve of': armed self defense, RPGs (mostly), puppies, kittens, and Thomas Sowell.

There's a lot of things I tolerate, but if someone starts demanding I move items from big circle to little circle, they're going to find themselves moved OUT of the big circle. And at that point it gets awkward.

[HappyDaze]

There's a lot of things I tolerate, but if someone starts demanding I move items from big circle to little circle, they're going to find themselves moved OUT of the big circle. And at that point it gets awkward.

That's what she said.

[RPGPundit]

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
-- Poetic variation on a prose confession by Father Martin Niemöller, displayed at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
-- H.L. Mencken

Tolerate does not mean "like". If you believe in tolerance, it doesn't mean supporting people who already agree with you. And it's not enough to extend it to those who disagree with you in inoffensive ways. Tolerance means learning to live with, and suffer the words, not just of people you don't care about one way or the other, but also people who you don't like, and even people you despise. It doesn't matter their color or creed, their ideology or nationality, or their personal beliefs. It's about shared human dignity, and the faith that, when people are allowed to make up their own minds, good ideas will flourish and bad ideas will wither.

Think of it as a Venn diagram.

Big circle is 'things I tolerate'. Nickelback, surly cashiers, Mistwell, and people who always need to borrow my dice.

Within that circle, a smaller circle, labeled 'things I like and approve of': armed self defense, RPGs (mostly), puppies, kittens, and Thomas Sowell.

There's a lot of things I tolerate, but if someone starts demanding I move items from big circle to little circle, they're going to find themselves moved OUT of the big circle. And at that point it gets awkward.

Brilliantly put.

[Spinachcat]

Tolerance, that grand foundational stone of civic nationalism.

While crucial for a functional America, both concepts seem like naïve nostalgia in 2021.

[Spinachcat]

The math is very simple.

Do you want your child to become a fucked up, self-hating leftist shitbag?

If yes, send your kid to public school and give them unfettered access to modern media.

If not, homeschool your child and curate their media diet.

[FelixGamingX1]

More parents like Tatiana?

[Spinachcat]

More parents like Tatiana?

Why? So the school boards and indoctrinators can ignore her and/or target her child?

Parents aren't going to alter the broken US education system enough to matter during the K-12 years of their children. They are up against the Teacher's Union and tens of thousands of entrenched bureaucrats nationwide who have debased our education system over the past 40 years. It would take a decade of massive effort (or brutal destruction of the system) to fix it...and that's not happening.

If Tatiana wants to save her kids, she needs to homeschool them. If Tatiana wants to save more kids, she needs to organize other parents with similar beliefs and help them build a local homeschooling community.