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Greetings!

Here is a brief segment where Tucker Carlson details the nonsense that Leftists are teaching children in American schools.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

  American public schools were always designed as a means to get people to conform, be compliant, and to make more efficient factory workers (reading and writing and basic math help with that).  Since the factories are going elsewhere I guess now they have to use that prussian model to its best efficiency as to what the government needs to happen for the future.  Beat white kids over the head with guilt and doubt (as they are the portion of the population that if they decide to get rowdy as a group SHTF fast) so they get lost in substances, electronics, and gleefully accept how institutions will treat them regarding university admission, jobs, and promotions.   I guess the good news (for the people shoveling some of the shit Tucker is griping about) is it is not as if anyone is actually going to do anything to make a real change. 

Public schooling is inherently about propagandizing the myths, norms, and values of society. Normally that's fine, because the organic myths, norms, and values tend to be things that help you live a Good life. Developing proficiency, becoming confident, getting married & having children, and find meaning are all things American values encouraged.

What you're seeing is that the people who run the public schools belong to a different society than you or me. They benefit when other people are ignorant, fearful, and helpless.

Quote from: Zelen on May 15, 2021, 10:23:01 PM
Public schooling is inherently about propagandizing the myths, norms, and values of society. Normally that's fine, because the organic myths, norms, and values tend to be things that help you live a Good life. Developing proficiency, becoming confident, getting married & having children, and find meaning are all things American values encouraged.

What you're seeing is that the people who run the public schools belong to a different society than you or me. They benefit when other people are ignorant, fearful, and helpless.

This.  The American Dream and the mythos of Americanism used to be the basis of education.  Now it's neo-Marxist class warfare...

This is malicious. That's all there is to it.

Hypothetically, if all the major institutions in America were controlled by people who really hate Americans, particularly "Founding Stock" Americans (White, normal, Christian, socially conservative), and whose highest priority was to destroy them and their America; would the world look any different?

Hypothetically, of course.

Quote from: Mjollnir on May 16, 2021, 02:31:33 AM
This is malicious. That's all there is to it.

Hypothetically, if all the major institutions in America were controlled by people who really hate Americans, particularly "Founding Stock" Americans (White, normal, Christian, socially conservative), and whose highest priority was to destroy them and their America; would the world look any different?

Hypothetically, of course.

It's not hypothetical, we hate you and want to destroy you, working pretty well so far

Quote from: oggsmash on May 15, 2021, 08:13:11 PM
  American public schools were always designed as a means to get people to conform, be compliant, and to make more efficient factory workers (reading and writing and basic math help with that).  Since the factories are going elsewhere I guess now they have to use that prussian model to its best efficiency as to what the government needs to happen for the future.  Beat white kids over the head with guilt and doubt (as they are the portion of the population that if they decide to get rowdy as a group SHTF fast) so they get lost in substances, electronics, and gleefully accept how institutions will treat them regarding university admission, jobs, and promotions.   I guess the good news (for the people shoveling some of the shit Tucker is griping about) is it is not as if anyone is actually going to do anything to make a real change.

Greetings!

Very true, Ogg! The mass-organized anti-white racism on full display is infuriating, noxious, and terribly worrisome. The absolute glee and the lock-step coordination of messaging by various elements of government, academia, the media, entertainment, and more seems so unstoppable. These Marxist, racist bastards have seemingly subverted our entire military *in a blink*. I know such infiltration and subversion of our military, for example, has been undergoing for some years--say, 10 years, maybe 20--and yet, in the span of just a few months, such subversion and corruption has accelerated at an incredible pace!

All of these different elements spewing anti-white racism and hatred--including expressing the desire that all white people should be exterminated (Jong chick, editor of NYT on her Twitter)--and many other horrible attitudes--such as the District superintendent of a school district back east on a recorded phone conversation admitting that yes, they are intentionally using language in the classroom to make white children feel ashamed, and insecure, demoralized, and LESSER. It's all intentional, and eagerly embraced by these fucksticks. All of this kind of language and attitudes merely 10 years ago would have gotten all of these racist jackasses fired promptly, and relentlessly humiliated. Yet now, these people not only keep their jobs, but are applauded, celebrated, and encouraged to do more.

It's bewildering, and so sad at the same time.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Zelen on May 15, 2021, 10:23:01 PM
Public schooling is inherently about propagandizing the myths, norms, and values of society. Normally that's fine, because the organic myths, norms, and values tend to be things that help you live a Good life. Developing proficiency, becoming confident, getting married & having children, and find meaning are all things American values encouraged.

What you're seeing is that the people who run the public schools belong to a different society than you or me. They benefit when other people are ignorant, fearful, and helpless.

Greetings!

Very true, Zelen! They are absolutely disgusting and horrible. They are traitors to our nation, our history, our culture, and our way of life. They all swallow the Marxist Kool-Aid.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: This Guy on May 16, 2021, 02:40:34 AM
It's not hypothetical, we hate you and want to destroy you, working pretty well so far

I appreciate your candor.

  Things like this are why I made the decision its time to leave.  I have been moving in that direction mentally for years, but now its balls out naked  contempt, I would be a fool to stay here and subject my kids to this bullshit.  Better we go somewhere else where the concerns are not on daily update of pronoun lexicons and making sure to keep talking about the how people who win the conflicts of the past are horrible.   I always hear how this is American, that is American, about the most American thing is to go where you get the best deal for you and your family.  Everyone in this country (other than Native Americans) came from somewhere else because it was a better deal for them and their futures.  It looks a whole lot like its a better deal to be somewhere else for a substantial portion of the population.  For a while that will be subjective, in 30 years it will be very, very clear and probably too late to do much about it.

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Quote from: This Guy on May 16, 2021, 02:40:34 AM
It's not hypothetical, we hate you and want to destroy you, working pretty well so far

I appreciate your candor.

I don't see any disagreement on the working pretty well so i appreciate your reply!

personally I did my part by actively indoctrinating incoming freshman college students in CRT for about eight years, so something like a few hundred students total. not gonna flatter myself and say all of em believed it - this was intro to essay writing, a parasite of a course if ever there was and most of them were there for the credit req and nothin else.

But you can tell when you get through to one after all them carefully curated readings of Malcolm X and Anzaldua and Marx and slave narratives and inconvenient facts about the founders. It helped if you faked a real connection with the vulnerable ones.

There was one kid who dared question the orthodoxy in a response essay and he did it by cursing out a grader so we sent him to academic probation. Dunno if he made it out of college from there but I did laugh when I read his forced apology letter. good shit that

Quote from: oggsmash on May 16, 2021, 07:47:12 AM
Everyone in this country (other than Native Americans) came from somewhere else because it was a better deal for them and their futures.

Actually that's true for the Native Americans as well.  They aren't native to the Americas.  It's true for everywhere except Africa.

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Quote from: oggsmash on May 16, 2021, 07:47:12 AM
Everyone in this country (other than Native Americans) came from somewhere else because it was a better deal for them and their futures.

Actually that's true for the Native Americans as well.  They aren't native to the Americas.  It's true for everywhere except Africa.

Well, didnt they find the oldest Human fossil in Europe a few years ago and put everyone into an uproar?   So we do not know for certain its true for Africa either.  I was speaking in terms of the united states.  Europeans definitely came a whole lot later, but sure if we want to say Native Americans should have the sense to know when to leave, I agree.

I talked to a European leftist recently. The kind who has their pronouns in their bio. We were discussing the Milgram experiment, and he said it "revealed people's true personalities." That's a completely wrong takeaway from the experiment. The Milgram experiment highlights flaws in normal human psychology owing to our social nature.

Believing that it reveals "true personality" is... honestly, that's the sort of logic to leads to accusations of thoughtcrime and holocausts.

Did you know that leftist "science" is increasingly claiming that there are biological differences between leftists and rightists? That scares me, because there's no doubt in my mind that this would be used to justify concentration camps, lobotomies, and mass murder.

It's ironic. Lefties claim to hate capital punishment but love to publicly fantasize about killing/raping people they don't like, especially against women.

I don't pretend to be omniscient. I'm intimidated by my lack of knowledge. That's why I'm terrified of people who think they hold a monopoly on morality and anyone who disagrees is the Devil incarnate. That line of thinking leads to Holocausts.

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Quote from: oggsmash on May 16, 2021, 07:47:12 AM
Everyone in this country (other than Native Americans) came from somewhere else because it was a better deal for them and their futures.

Actually that's true for the Native Americans as well.  They aren't native to the Americas.  It's true for everywhere except Africa.

Well, didnt they find the oldest Human fossil in Europe a few years ago and put everyone into an uproar?   

No, they found the earliest modern human (or so they think) outside Africa, together with Neanderthal remains, which is pretty cool. Meanwhile, they have found even older anatomically modern humans within Africa.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 16, 2021, 04:04:46 PM
I talked to a European leftist recently. The kind who has their pronouns in their bio. We were discussing the Milgram experiment, and he said it "revealed people's true personalities." That's a completely wrong takeaway from the experiment. The Milgram experiment highlights flaws in normal human psychology owing to our social nature.

Believing that it reveals "true personality" is... honestly, that's the sort of logic to leads to accusations of thoughtcrime and holocausts.

Did you know that leftist "science" is increasingly claiming that there are biological differences between leftists and rightists? That scares me, because there's no doubt in my mind that this would be used to justify concentration camps, lobotomies, and mass murder.

It's ironic. Lefties claim to hate capital punishment but love to publicly fantasize about killing/raping people they don't like, especially against women.

I don't pretend to be omniscient. I'm intimidated by my lack of knowledge. That's why I'm terrified of people who think they hold a monopoly on morality and anyone who disagrees is the Devil incarnate. That line of thinking leads to Holocausts.

Greetings!

Hi BoxCrayonTales! Indeed, for all of the often self-aggrandized education that Leftists love to sneer about, it has become terrifyingly apparent over and over how most of them are not only deeply uneducated and ignorant--but delusional as well. Years ago, when I was in college, I had to endure a stupid Women's Studies class. The college professor--a woman, with a PHD!--maintained with a straight face that women were "just as strong as men!". The class had like 50 students in attendance--90% of which were girls. They all of course chirped their approval of the professor's claim. I wondered how the professor--or any of the other students in the class--had managed to pass a basic college Biology course. Any basic study in Biology would entirely disprove the professor and the women students of their giggling delusion. Women, as a sex, are NOT "just as strong as men." That is a universal FACT. Somehow, though, within the four walls of the Women's Studies department, they possessed deep, profound knowledge of a truth that any Biology professor was hopelessly ignorant of.

Then, this morning, I read an article where this medical OBGYN association declared that "In light of the knowledge that race is a social construct, and not based on biology, we..." These people are so fucking delusional they need to be put in an insane asylum. There are clear, distinct, biological differences between Indians, Africans, Caucasians, and Asians. Each possesses a whole range of distinctive features and attributes that are scientifically discernible, even from *skeletons* Diseases, immunities, and on and on. Social construct my ass. These people are fucking nuts.

More and more though, with a wide variety of issues, Leftists are proving that their ideological, Marxist utopian brainwashing is overwhelming their mental functions and absolutely subverting whatever it was they may have learned in college. Over and over again, they demonstrate they are cut off from all reason and rational thought. Not content with their own terrible and pathetic delusions, they gather like mobs of filthy, diseased rats, and scream and cry that everyone else in society affirms and agrees with their brainwashed, Marxist insanity.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 16, 2021, 04:04:46 PM
I talked to a European leftist recently. The kind who has their pronouns in their bio. We were discussing the Milgram experiment, and he said it "revealed people's true personalities." That's a completely wrong takeaway from the experiment. The Milgram experiment highlights flaws in normal human psychology owing to our social nature.

Believing that it reveals "true personality" is... honestly, that's the sort of logic to leads to accusations of thoughtcrime and holocausts.

Did you know that leftist "science" is increasingly claiming that there are biological differences between leftists and rightists? That scares me, because there's no doubt in my mind that this would be used to justify concentration camps, lobotomies, and mass murder.

It's ironic. Lefties claim to hate capital punishment but love to publicly fantasize about killing/raping people they don't like, especially against women.

I don't pretend to be omniscient. I'm intimidated by my lack of knowledge. That's why I'm terrified of people who think they hold a monopoly on morality and anyone who disagrees is the Devil incarnate. That line of thinking leads to Holocausts.

wouldn't worry too much about milgram, his data was heavily massaged. At least one good book on the subject

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It gets worse. Leftists also tell me that artists are "responsible" for their art and have to make political statements in all their work. You can't just make entertainment, they think your art reflects your real life beliefs. If you write about a dictator coming to power, that means you support dictatorships unless you issue a retraction. These people are insane.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 16, 2021, 08:40:44 PM
It gets worse. Leftists also tell me that artists are "responsible" for their art and have to make political statements in all their work. You can't just make entertainment, they think your art reflects your real life beliefs. If you write about a dictator coming to power, that means you support dictatorships unless you issue a retraction. These people are insane.

okay yeah that is pretty fuckin stupid, I will enjoy my depraved art as I like it thankyouverymuch. just can't be that aesthetically conservative.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 16, 2021, 08:40:44 PM
It gets worse. Leftists also tell me that artists are "responsible" for their art and have to make political statements in all their work. You can't just make entertainment, they think your art reflects your real life beliefs. If you write about a dictator coming to power, that means you support dictatorships unless you issue a retraction. These people are insane.

Just like Rome before us, America is collapsing into chaos

Greetings!

Interesting, in this video, METATRON discusses how Marxist, SJW ideology is also infiltrating educational programs in Britain. The implications and brainwashing in Britain is similar to the nonsense being pumped here in America.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Metatron discusses "Black Achilles and BBC Cartoons about Roman Britain."

The BBC (and its American subsidiary, BBCA) is full of wokeist crap. The BBCA's adaptation of Pratchett's 'The Watch' series was so bad his daughter disavowed it, and with good reason.

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Quote from: oggsmash on May 16, 2021, 07:47:12 AM
Everyone in this country (other than Native Americans) came from somewhere else because it was a better deal for them and their futures.

Actually that's true for the Native Americans as well.  They aren't native to the Americas.  It's true for everywhere except Africa.

Well, didnt they find the oldest Human fossil in Europe a few years ago and put everyone into an uproar?   

No, they found the earliest modern human (or so they think) outside Africa, together with Neanderthal remains, which is pretty cool. Meanwhile, they have found even older anatomically modern humans within Africa.

Huh cool.  Hadn't heard about that.  How do they figure the human got there?  Like it was a mutant Neanderthal?

Throwing in characters with a different origin where they don't belong is tantamount to retconning history.

"oh look, there was no racism in the roman empire. They had black officers!" Fuck yes there was and fuck no there wasnt.

"Cleopatra was black" No she wasnt. She was greek, with a sprinkling of Persian.

And now they're doing Gawaine, the black knight I mean, and the Green knight

Now, I will concede that Palamedes and his two brothers were saracens from the middle east, so there was knights of darker colors at the round table, but Gawaine was from somehwere up in Scotland.
If they, somehow, in the movie, infer that Palamedes or one of his brothers somehow cuckolded King Lot which then produced Gawaine, I will accept it because its, while reaching, at least plausible.

You'd think they'd be able to dig up actual historical stuff to play with. Like Yasuke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke), for example.

But no, it's all wokeist revisionism, all the way down.

I think cultural appropriation is awesome, so I'm fine with adapting stories to different cultures, regions and groups, including modern cosmopolitan tokenism.

Quote from: Wntrlnd on May 17, 2021, 11:31:45 AM
Throwing in characters with a different origin where they don't belong is tantamount to retconning history.

"oh look, there was no racism in the roman empire. They had black officers!" Fuck yes there was and fuck no there wasnt.

"Cleopatra was black" No she wasnt. She was greek, with a sprinkling of Persian.

And now they're doing Gawaine, the black knight I mean, and the Green knight

Now, I will concede that Palamedes and his two brothers were saracens from the middle east, so there was knights of darker colors at the round table, but Gawaine was from somehwere up in Scotland.
If they, somehow, in the movie, infer that Palamedes or one of his brothers somehow cuckolded King Lot which then produced Gawaine, I will accept it because its, while reaching, at least plausible.

I understand people wanting to see characters who look like them and are part of the same broad culture heritage. That said, I feel rewriting history to be more politically correct is deeply offensive to the memory of all the people who were victimized under colonialism.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 17, 2021, 11:43:49 AM
You'd think they'd be able to dig up actual historical stuff to play with. Like Yasuke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke), for example.

But no, it's all wokeist revisionism, all the way down.

Yeah, writers ignore actual non-white characters in Western mythos like Morien, Feirefiz, Memnon, Andromeda, Chariclea, etc in favor of racebending Zeus and Achilles. Because obviously that's better than giving screen-time to originally non-white characters.

Also, Greek myth used "Ethiopia" in a very broad sense to refer to anyone with darker skin than Mediterranean. Andromeda could have been from Sub-Saharan Africa or India.

There's also no shortage of non-white mythology than can be crossed over with. Greek myth includes references to Middle Eastern deities. Why not have Gilgamesh and Rama join the Argonauts?

I say Write alternate history or fantasy, because then you don't have to worry about whitewashing racism.

Quote from: Pat on May 17, 2021, 11:58:19 AM
I think cultural appropriation is awesome, so I'm fine with adapting stories to different cultures, regions and groups, including modern cosmopolitan tokenism.

I don't have a problem with that. I loved the colorblind casting Cinderella movie with Whitney Houston. I loved that fairy tale anthology series where "The Little Mermaid" had an all-Asian cast. I do have a problem with people telling me I'm racist for preferring something with more internal consistency like Shadow & Bone over "we can't decide if it's colorblind casting or alternate history" Bridgerton.

With fantasy you have much more freedom to write your own human migrations. In Dragon Prince, humans originally lived in medieval ethnostates until they were forcibly resettled to another continent and economically pressured to integrate. Which neatly explains why the population hasn't interbred to the point of becoming one race.

With colorblind casting you open a can of worms because SJWs complain if a non-white character is racebent... even if the character was written for colorblind casting.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 17, 2021, 12:27:12 PM

I don't have a problem with that. I loved the colorblind casting Cinderella movie with Whitney Houston. I loved that fairy tale anthology series where "The Little Mermaid" had an all-Asian cast. I do have a problem with people telling me I'm racist for preferring something with more internal consistency like Shadow & Bone over "we can't decide if it's colorblind casting or alternate history" Bridgerton.

With fantasy you have much more freedom to write your own human migrations. In Dragon Prince, humans originally lived in medieval ethnostates until they were forcibly resettled to another continent and economically pressured to integrate. Which neatly explains why the population hasn't interbred to the point of becoming one race.

With colorblind casting you open a can of worms because SJWs complain if a non-white character is racebent... even if the character was written for colorblind casting.

I don't care if something was written to be race-blind or not.

I think it can be an issue with teaching history. The cartoon mentioned in the YouTube video upthread, for instance, which was supposed to be a historically accurate depiction of Roman Britain, and nearly every shot had a someone with sub-Saharan skin color. That's a problem, but it's a problem because the BBC are trying to rewrite history to fit their own racist ideals.

But it's almost never an issue with fiction, or fictional adaptations, because even if they're based on history, there are always major anachronistic elements. Extreme examples include shows like Xena with all the deliberately cultural and time mixing, random casting, and fantasy elements. But even historical dramas like Henry V are still fiction.

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Quote from: Wntrlnd on May 17, 2021, 11:31:45 AM
Throwing in characters with a different origin where they don't belong is tantamount to retconning history.

"oh look, there was no racism in the roman empire. They had black officers!" Fuck yes there was and fuck no there wasnt.

"Cleopatra was black" No she wasnt. She was greek, with a sprinkling of Persian.

And now they're doing Gawaine, the black knight I mean, and the Green knight

Now, I will concede that Palamedes and his two brothers were saracens from the middle east, so there was knights of darker colors at the round table, but Gawaine was from somehwere up in Scotland.
If they, somehow, in the movie, infer that Palamedes or one of his brothers somehow cuckolded King Lot which then produced Gawaine, I will accept it because its, while reaching, at least plausible.

I understand people wanting to see characters who look like them and are part of the same broad culture heritage. That said, I feel rewriting history to be more politically correct is deeply offensive to the memory of all the people who were victimized under colonialism.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 17, 2021, 11:43:49 AM
You'd think they'd be able to dig up actual historical stuff to play with. Like Yasuke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke), for example.

But no, it's all wokeist revisionism, all the way down.

Yeah, writers ignore actual non-white characters in Western mythos like Morien, Feirefiz, Memnon, Andromeda, Chariclea, etc in favor of racebending Zeus and Achilles. Because obviously that's better than giving screen-time to originally non-white characters.

Also, Greek myth used "Ethiopia" in a very broad sense to refer to anyone with darker skin than Mediterranean. Andromeda could have been from Sub-Saharan Africa or India.

There's also no shortage of non-white mythology than can be crossed over with. Greek myth includes references to Middle Eastern deities. Why not have Gilgamesh and Rama join the Argonauts?

I say Write alternate history or fantasy, because then you don't have to worry about whitewashing racism.

Quote from: Pat on May 17, 2021, 11:58:19 AM
I think cultural appropriation is awesome, so I'm fine with adapting stories to different cultures, regions and groups, including modern cosmopolitan tokenism.

I don't have a problem with that. I loved the colorblind casting Cinderella movie with Whitney Houston. I loved that fairy tale anthology series where "The Little Mermaid" had an all-Asian cast. I do have a problem with people telling me I'm racist for preferring something with more internal consistency like Shadow & Bone over "we can't decide if it's colorblind casting or alternate history" Bridgerton.

With fantasy you have much more freedom to write your own human migrations. In Dragon Prince, humans originally lived in medieval ethnostates until they were forcibly resettled to another continent and economically pressured to integrate. Which neatly explains why the population hasn't interbred to the point of becoming one race.

With colorblind casting you open a can of worms because SJWs complain if a non-white character is racebent... even if the character was written for colorblind casting.

This guy gets it.

Like, Cleopatra was probably one of the whitest rulers of Egypt, seeing as she was a Greek with some Persian admixture.

There's also plenty of actual black historical figures that were unusual but also were highly achieved. Yasuke is one, as was the Queen of Sheba.

Both the Greco-Roman and Judeo-Christian traditions have a LOT of Middle Eastern figures appear (particularly the latter, as most of the Bible literally takes place in the Levant) and even a few Ethiopians appear.

This is just pure historical revisionism and blackwashing. Propaganda, plain and simple.

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Quote from: Wntrlnd on May 17, 2021, 11:31:45 AM
Throwing in characters with a different origin where they don't belong is tantamount to retconning history.

"oh look, there was no racism in the roman empire. They had black officers!" Fuck yes there was and fuck no there wasnt.

"Cleopatra was black" No she wasnt. She was greek, with a sprinkling of Persian.

And now they're doing Gawaine, the black knight I mean, and the Green knight

Now, I will concede that Palamedes and his two brothers were saracens from the middle east, so there was knights of darker colors at the round table, but Gawaine was from somehwere up in Scotland.
If they, somehow, in the movie, infer that Palamedes or one of his brothers somehow cuckolded King Lot which then produced Gawaine, I will accept it because its, while reaching, at least plausible.

I understand people wanting to see characters who look like them and are part of the same broad culture heritage. That said, I feel rewriting history to be more politically correct is deeply offensive to the memory of all the people who were victimized under colonialism.

Keanu Reeves was relly not the draw for me when I watched the otherwise shitty 47 Ronin. Give me Akira Kurosawa with a full japanese cast any day of the week.

Shogun and The Last Samurai both had a white protagonist in a otherwise japanese setting. But those two were at least based on/inspired by real people.

Speaking of offensive falsification of history in movies.  All those movies were the americans take credit for what british troops did (U-571), Canadians (Argo), and don't get me starting on Mel Gibson with the Patriot and Braveheart.

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 17, 2021, 12:27:12 PM

Quote from: Wntrlnd on May 17, 2021, 11:31:45 AM
Throwing in characters with a different origin where they don't belong is tantamount to retconning history.

"oh look, there was no racism in the roman empire. They had black officers!" Fuck yes there was and fuck no there wasnt.

"Cleopatra was black" No she wasnt. She was greek, with a sprinkling of Persian.

And now they're doing Gawaine, the black knight I mean, and the Green knight

Now, I will concede that Palamedes and his two brothers were saracens from the middle east, so there was knights of darker colors at the round table, but Gawaine was from somehwere up in Scotland.
If they, somehow, in the movie, infer that Palamedes or one of his brothers somehow cuckolded King Lot which then produced Gawaine, I will accept it because its, while reaching, at least plausible.

I understand people wanting to see characters who look like them and are part of the same broad culture heritage. That said, I feel rewriting history to be more politically correct is deeply offensive to the memory of all the people who were victimized under colonialism.

Keanu Reeves was relly not the draw for me when I watched the otherwise shitty 47 Ronin. Give me Akira Kurosawa with a full japanese cast any day of the week.

Shogun and The Last Samurai both had a white protagonist in a otherwise japanese setting. But those two were at least based on/inspired by real people.

Speaking of offensive falsification of history in movies.  All those movies were the americans take credit for what british troops did (U-571), Canadians (Argo), and don't get me starting on Mel Gibson with the Patriot and Braveheart.

No offense, but having Keanu Reeves in 47 Ronin was the least of its problems :D

Adults all know how incredibly fake this Blackwashing of history is, especially the people who vocally defend it. It's meant to shape how kids see the world, and specifically to deny White kids any sense of their own history or identity beyond their own immediate experience. White kids are to have no cultural heroes beyond whatever POC Common Core decides make the focus of the textbooks or the current hip hop clown named lil' something.

No King Arthur, no Conan, no Odysseus, nothing. Completely cut off, isolated, atomized, and subject to the everchanging whims of pop culture and institutionally imposed ideology.

...for the purpose of demoralization and inflicting psychological harm to White kids.

Quote from: Mjollnir on May 17, 2021, 10:11:33 PM
Adults all know how incredibly fake this Blackwashing of history is, especially the people who vocally defend it. It's meant to shape how kids see the world, and specifically to deny White kids any sense of their own history or identity beyond their own immediate experience. White kids are to have no cultural heroes beyond whatever POC Common Core decides make the focus of the textbooks or the current hip hop clown named lil' something.

No King Arthur, no Conan, no Odysseus, nothing. Completely cut off, isolated, atomized, and subject to the everchanging whims of pop culture and institutionally imposed ideology.

...for the purpose of demoralization and inflicting psychological harm to White kids.

Greetings!

All very true, Mjollnir! It is so disgusting and infuriating!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Mjollnir on May 17, 2021, 10:11:33 PM
Adults all know how incredibly fake this Blackwashing of history is, especially the people who vocally defend it. It's meant to shape how kids see the world, and specifically to deny White kids any sense of their own history or identity beyond their own immediate experience. White kids are to have no cultural heroes beyond whatever POC Common Core decides make the focus of the textbooks or the current hip hop clown named lil' something.

No King Arthur, no Conan, no Odysseus, nothing. Completely cut off, isolated, atomized, and subject to the everchanging whims of pop culture and institutionally imposed ideology.

...for the purpose of demoralization and inflicting psychological harm to White kids.

Yep, this is all correct. You'll notice I didn't really mention any white heroes in my description of my teaching years, why do you think that's the case?

It continues to work pretty dang well to sort the drones into their proper place in the private sector, helped em realize they deserve it

Quote from: SHARK on May 14, 2021, 08:06:55 AM
Greetings!

Here is a brief segment where Tucker Carlson details the nonsense that Leftists are teaching children in American schools.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I'm reminded of this when anyone posts anything from Tucker Carlson:

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye



Lou Prosperi

  I am reminded NPR gets money from the government, LOVES big government, and that title is a bit misleading with regard to the actual article they wrote, as well as what actually happened in the incident they are reporting on.

Quote from: oggsmash on May 18, 2021, 11:39:25 AM
  I am reminded NPR gets money from the government, LOVES big government, and that title is a bit misleading with regard to the actual article they wrote, as well as what actually happened in the incident they are reporting on.

Greetings!

Yeah, Ogg! *Laughing* NPR are a bunch of cock-sucking Marxists. Big Government cucks, all of them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on May 16, 2021, 04:24:50 PM
Then, this morning, I read an article where this medical OBGYN association declared that "In light of the knowledge that race is a social construct, and not based on biology, we..." These people are so fucking delusional they need to be put in an insane asylum. There are clear, distinct, biological differences between Indians, Africans, Caucasians, and Asians. Each possesses a whole range of distinctive features and attributes that are scientifically discernible, even from *skeletons* Diseases, immunities, and on and on. Social construct my ass. These people are fucking nuts.

This link may prove enlightening: https://www2.palomar.edu/anthro/vary/vary_2.htm

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 18, 2021, 02:23:58 PM

Quote from: SHARK on May 16, 2021, 04:24:50 PM
Then, this morning, I read an article where this medical OBGYN association declared that "In light of the knowledge that race is a social construct, and not based on biology, we..." These people are so fucking delusional they need to be put in an insane asylum. There are clear, distinct, biological differences between Indians, Africans, Caucasians, and Asians. Each possesses a whole range of distinctive features and attributes that are scientifically discernible, even from *skeletons* Diseases, immunities, and on and on. Social construct my ass. These people are fucking nuts.

This link may prove enlightening: https://www2.palomar.edu/anthro/vary/vary_2.htm

Literally thousands of years ago we had Plato discussing what we now call "social construction" with his theory of forms. Back then people were intelligent enough to recognize that pretty much all of what we consider to be a "thing" is socially constructed based on a referent to a higher ideal, even something such as the color red or blue.

Human ethnic groups obviously exist. The categories are real by any metric we use for anything. We can independently verify that these categorizations are valid through hundreds of different non-subjective means of measurement. The argument that is often trotted out is that because we don't have a single gene, or a single trait we can use to distinguish these groups, that they aren't real. Most of this boils down to sophistry and intellectual cowardice.

See also: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/bies.10315

Quote from: Wntrlnd on May 17, 2021, 04:47:26 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 17, 2021, 12:27:12 PM

Quote from: Wntrlnd on May 17, 2021, 11:31:45 AM
Throwing in characters with a different origin where they don't belong is tantamount to retconning history.

"oh look, there was no racism in the roman empire. They had black officers!" Fuck yes there was and fuck no there wasnt.

"Cleopatra was black" No she wasnt. She was greek, with a sprinkling of Persian.

And now they're doing Gawaine, the black knight I mean, and the Green knight

Now, I will concede that Palamedes and his two brothers were saracens from the middle east, so there was knights of darker colors at the round table, but Gawaine was from somehwere up in Scotland.
If they, somehow, in the movie, infer that Palamedes or one of his brothers somehow cuckolded King Lot which then produced Gawaine, I will accept it because its, while reaching, at least plausible.

I understand people wanting to see characters who look like them and are part of the same broad culture heritage. That said, I feel rewriting history to be more politically correct is deeply offensive to the memory of all the people who were victimized under colonialism.

Keanu Reeves was relly not the draw for me when I watched the otherwise shitty 47 Ronin. Give me Akira Kurosawa with a full japanese cast any day of the week.

Shogun and The Last Samurai both had a white protagonist in a otherwise japanese setting. But those two were at least based on/inspired by real people.

Speaking of offensive falsification of history in movies.  All those movies were the americans take credit for what british troops did (U-571), Canadians (Argo), and don't get me starting on Mel Gibson with the Patriot and Braveheart.

   The Last Samuria irritated me to no end.  They have a dude who comes in and learns how to samurai better than half the samurai in the clan over the course of about 3-4 months.   That sort of greatly cheapens the whole idea of spending a lifetime honing a skill doesnt it?

Quote from: Zelen on May 18, 2021, 06:11:36 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 18, 2021, 02:23:58 PM

Quote from: SHARK on May 16, 2021, 04:24:50 PM
Then, this morning, I read an article where this medical OBGYN association declared that "In light of the knowledge that race is a social construct, and not based on biology, we..." These people are so fucking delusional they need to be put in an insane asylum. There are clear, distinct, biological differences between Indians, Africans, Caucasians, and Asians. Each possesses a whole range of distinctive features and attributes that are scientifically discernible, even from *skeletons* Diseases, immunities, and on and on. Social construct my ass. These people are fucking nuts.

This link may prove enlightening: https://www2.palomar.edu/anthro/vary/vary_2.htm

Literally thousands of years ago we had Plato discussing what we now call "social construction" with his theory of forms. Back then people were intelligent enough to recognize that pretty much all of what we consider to be a "thing" is socially constructed based on a referent to a higher ideal, even something such as the color red or blue.

Human ethnic groups obviously exist. The categories are real by any metric we use for anything. We can independently verify that these categorizations are valid through hundreds of different non-subjective means of measurement. The argument that is often trotted out is that because we don't have a single gene, or a single trait we can use to distinguish these groups, that they aren't real. Most of this boils down to sophistry and intellectual cowardice.

See also: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/bies.10315

I was not contesting that

Quote from: oggsmash on May 18, 2021, 10:35:24 PM

Quote from: Wntrlnd on May 17, 2021, 04:47:26 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on May 17, 2021, 12:27:12 PM

Quote from: Wntrlnd on May 17, 2021, 11:31:45 AM
Throwing in characters with a different origin where they don't belong is tantamount to retconning history.

"oh look, there was no racism in the roman empire. They had black officers!" Fuck yes there was and fuck no there wasnt.

"Cleopatra was black" No she wasnt. She was greek, with a sprinkling of Persian.

And now they're doing Gawaine, the black knight I mean, and the Green knight

Now, I will concede that Palamedes and his two brothers were saracens from the middle east, so there was knights of darker colors at the round table, but Gawaine was from somehwere up in Scotland.
If they, somehow, in the movie, infer that Palamedes or one of his brothers somehow cuckolded King Lot which then produced Gawaine, I will accept it because its, while reaching, at least plausible.

I understand people wanting to see characters who look like them and are part of the same broad culture heritage. That said, I feel rewriting history to be more politically correct is deeply offensive to the memory of all the people who were victimized under colonialism.

Keanu Reeves was relly not the draw for me when I watched the otherwise shitty 47 Ronin. Give me Akira Kurosawa with a full japanese cast any day of the week.

Shogun and The Last Samurai both had a white protagonist in a otherwise japanese setting. But those two were at least based on/inspired by real people.

Speaking of offensive falsification of history in movies.  All those movies were the americans take credit for what british troops did (U-571), Canadians (Argo), and don't get me starting on Mel Gibson with the Patriot and Braveheart.

   The Last Samuria irritated me to no end.  They have a dude who comes in and learns how to samurai better than half the samurai in the clan over the course of about 3-4 months.   That sort of greatly cheapens the whole idea of spending a lifetime honing a skill doesnt it?

Must be all the Dianetics...

It's even seeped into most news media.

PCGamer sneers at the idea that more police = less crime... https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/cities-skylines-has-scared-off-all-the-other-urban-city-builders/

...even as Vox, a year prior to the explosion of anti-police sentiment, explained that statistically more police = less crime and that black voters actually want more police to protect them. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/13/18193661/hire-police-officers-crime-criminal-justice-reform-booker-harris

Any way the wind blows, that's the way that a leftist goes. They don't care about the facts or even what black voters actually want. All they care about is bowing down to the capricious whims of the twitterati.

Quote from: oggsmash on May 18, 2021, 10:35:24 PMThe Last Samuria irritated me to no end.  They have a dude who comes in and learns how to samurai better than half the samurai in the clan over the course of about 3-4 months.   That sort of greatly cheapens the whole idea of spending a lifetime honing a skill doesnt it?

It would be irritating if Algren wasn't basically made out to be the ultimate badass soldier who just turned to alcoholism to avoid thinking about murdering Indians. It'd be like getting mad that a basketball movie featured Michael Jordan becoming an elite streetball player after spending an entire winter learning the differences between NBA rules and playground rules.

Quote from: Brad on May 19, 2021, 01:44:08 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on May 18, 2021, 10:35:24 PMThe Last Samuria irritated me to no end.  They have a dude who comes in and learns how to samurai better than half the samurai in the clan over the course of about 3-4 months.   That sort of greatly cheapens the whole idea of spending a lifetime honing a skill doesnt it?

It would be irritating if Algren wasn't basically made out to be the ultimate badass soldier who just turned to alcoholism to avoid thinking about murdering Indians. It'd be like getting mad that a basketball movie featured Michael Jordan becoming an elite streetball player after spending an entire winter learning the differences between NBA rules and playground rules.

   I do not think there is a great deal of overlap between Swordsmanship and being a soldier in the US army though.  Jordan did that after a lifetime of playing basketball.  Algren did have a soldier career, maybe 20 years.  But a US soldier's duties and those of a Samurai as related directly to combat have few overlaps past horsemanship.  Had he used that Henry Rifle to help his new pals its a whole lot easier to swallow.

  *Edited to add*  I thought Shogun did a much better job of telling a story of east and west meeting and collaborating.  The Japanese, and the Samuria learned to respect and even admire Blackthorn for being able to do the things he had practiced his whole life (using firearms, nautical knowledge and skill piloting a ship) extremely well, and at  the same time he learned a great deal of respect for the Samurai skill and dedication to their ways of life.   Rather than having an outsider impress everyone with his super talent at trumping their chosen skills.   To me Algren falls victim to lazy story telling (its a very common trope) instead of allowing his already honed skills to complement his new pals.   I did enjoy the movie though, despite this shoe horn hollywood methodology (that is likely a product of Cruise's ego).  But Algren is basically a Mary Sue, not my favorite flavor of character.

Quote from: oggsmash on May 19, 2021, 01:54:59 PM
   I do not think there is a great deal of overlap between Swordsmanship and being a soldier in the US army though.  Jordan did that after a lifetime of playing basketball.  Algren did have a soldier career, maybe 20 years.  But a US soldier's duties and those of a Samurai as related directly to combat have few overlaps past horsemanship.  Had he used that Henry Rifle to help his new pals its a whole lot easier to swallow.

  *Edited to add*  I thought Shogun did a much better job of telling a story of east and west meeting and collaborating.  The Japanese, and the Samuria learned to respect and even admire Blackthorn for being able to do the things he had practiced his whole life (using firearms, nautical knowledge and skill piloting a ship) extremely well, and at  the same time he learned a great deal of respect for the Samurai skill and dedication to their ways of life.   Rather than having an outsider impress everyone with his super talent at trumping their chosen skills.   To me Algren falls victim to lazy story telling (its a very common trope) instead of allowing his already honed skills to complement his new pals.   I did enjoy the movie though, despite this shoe horn hollywood methodology (that is likely a product of Cruise's ego).  But Algren is basically a Mary Sue, not my favorite flavor of character.

Wasn't he a cavalry officer? So extensive training in horsemanship, swordplay, firearms, probably pretty well educated/literate, etc. Sounds like a samurai to me. Not to mention the leadership skills, strategy and tactics, overall warfare skills...so it's a katana instead of a sabre. There is a massive amount of overlap in real life.

Quote from: Brad on May 19, 2021, 02:36:39 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on May 19, 2021, 01:54:59 PM
   I do not think there is a great deal of overlap between Swordsmanship and being a soldier in the US army though.  Jordan did that after a lifetime of playing basketball.  Algren did have a soldier career, maybe 20 years.  But a US soldier's duties and those of a Samurai as related directly to combat have few overlaps past horsemanship.  Had he used that Henry Rifle to help his new pals its a whole lot easier to swallow.

  *Edited to add*  I thought Shogun did a much better job of telling a story of east and west meeting and collaborating.  The Japanese, and the Samuria learned to respect and even admire Blackthorn for being able to do the things he had practiced his whole life (using firearms, nautical knowledge and skill piloting a ship) extremely well, and at  the same time he learned a great deal of respect for the Samurai skill and dedication to their ways of life.   Rather than having an outsider impress everyone with his super talent at trumping their chosen skills.   To me Algren falls victim to lazy story telling (its a very common trope) instead of allowing his already honed skills to complement his new pals.   I did enjoy the movie though, despite this shoe horn hollywood methodology (that is likely a product of Cruise's ego).  But Algren is basically a Mary Sue, not my favorite flavor of character.

Wasn't he a cavalry officer? So extensive training in horsemanship, swordplay, firearms, probably pretty well educated/literate, etc. Sounds like a samurai to me. Not to mention the leadership skills, strategy and tactics, overall warfare skills...so it's a katana instead of a sabre. There is a massive amount of overlap in real life.

  There would not have been a tremendous amount of saber training or sword play.  Now, shooting a revolver on horseback?  Yes.  Firing a rifle ( the Henry, for which he built his reputation as a badass, yes).  But the sword at that point in the US military was decorative.  Given how it shows Algren handle the sabre early in the movie, its obvious he has not trained with his sword much at all.  He did have fighting spirit and that counts for a lot, learning to use the sword and showing him training fine by me, but over the course of a  couplemonth coming out on top of fighting several assassins in the street with a sword?  No.   Mary Sue.  He should have done the Indiana Jones and whipped out the hog leg and shot them.

   He does similar with his Judo/grappling training they show him engaging in.  IME no matter the talent, the white belt is not throwing the 10 year vets or tapping them out no matter how talented. 

  I will add this, it is a movie, and I am already detaching myself from belief in watching.  Hollywood prefers a 7th grade way to tell a story than a higher level one, they rather show our guy reject, then come to accept, then respect, and then accel inside the new culture he is faced with.  To me that  is sort of lazy.  I enjoyed the movie in its totality, and I can also see a scenario where Tom bugged the writers and directors to make him more "badass" at all the cool Samurai stuff.  But that time period the training of a cavalry officer has no real life overlap to a Samurai's training in handling weapons.   So it means he was able to learn and make all that progress in a very short time frame.  If he had more overlap, he wouldnt have been beaten half to death when he acted like an asshole and tried to fight the sword master with the bokken.

Dude, there was a MONTAGE, ergo, he could become a master in literally minutes.

Quote from: Brad on May 19, 2021, 04:10:11 PM
Dude, there was a MONTAGE, ergo, he could become a master in literally minutes.

You know,  I did forget the montage....and since even Rocky had a montage..  I relent.  Could have happened.

Tucker Carlson is a racist, white-nationalist, idiotic fucker that should not be listened to under any circumstance. If any of you are capable of even listening to the "other side's" views, I recommend this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
(No doubt, you think of John Oliver in the same manner that I think of Tucker Carlson, but that's likely due to the genetic fallacy. I despise Tucker Carlson because of his words and actions, not because of his political party.)

Another day another communist shit stain to add to the ignore list.  British Milhouse is a steaming pile of shit.

Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:23:55 PM
Tucker Carlson is a racist, white-nationalist, idiotic fucker that should not be listened to under any circumstance. If any of you are capable of even listening to the "other side's" views, I recommend this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
(No doubt, you think of John Oliver in the same manner that I think of Tucker Carlson, but that's likely due to the genetic fallacy. I despise Tucker Carlson because of his words and actions, not because of his political party.)

  Ah, yet another open and understanding "liberal" pushing for what appears to be an idea of censorship.  I do not believe in the Bible, but I read it.  I do not think Islam has ANY value at all to western civilization, but I read the Koran.   I can not stand totalitarian leftists, but I will watch the young turks (who named their show in such a manner that denotes celebrating a genocidal gang) and a few other similar leftists who are pretty up front with their agendas.  Both Tucker and Oliver are people who read what writers wrote for them, and both like to make some money from appealing to a side's world view or feelz.   

   Everyone knows Tucker is racist, because ANY time you point out something as a white person, well its racist.  Everything is racist, America, and everything about it, its history and its institutions are white supremacist.  So I think to get some insults or pejoratives that have any bite you may want to dig a bit deeper into the newspeak lexicon. 

Quote from: oggsmash on May 27, 2021, 02:33:01 PM

Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:23:55 PM
Tucker Carlson is a racist, white-nationalist, idiotic fucker that should not be listened to under any circumstance. If any of you are capable of even listening to the "other side's" views, I recommend this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
(No doubt, you think of John Oliver in the same manner that I think of Tucker Carlson, but that's likely due to the genetic fallacy. I despise Tucker Carlson because of his words and actions, not because of his political party.)

  Ah, yet another open and understanding "liberal" pushing for what appears to be an idea of censorship.  I do not believe in the Bible, but I read it.  I do not think Islam has ANY value at all to western civilization, but I read the Koran.   I can not stand totalitarian leftists, but I will watch the young turks (who named their show in such a manner that denotes celebrating a genocidal gang) and a few other similar leftists who are pretty up front with their agendas.  Both Tucker and Oliver are people who read what writers wrote for them, and both like to make some money from appealing to a side's world view or feelz.   

   Everyone knows Tucker is racist, because ANY time you point out something as a white person, well its racist.  Everything is racist, America, and everything about it, its history and its institutions are white supremacist.  So I think to get some insults or pejoratives that have any bite you may want to dig a bit deeper into the newspeak lexicon.

Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

I personally don't agree with any religion on the planet, I'm an atheist, but I support the freedom of religion. I don't support any countries being run by religious laws and governments, but I support the religions existing, even if I feel that they're incorrect. You may want to work on getting over your islamophobia, as Islam has already contributed a ton to so called "Western Civilization" (you know, like inventing algebra).

You must know absolutely nothing about John Oliver if you think he's the same as Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson "reports" on whatever scores points with his base and gets enough people watching his show to keep Fox "News" afloat. John Oliver brings obscure topics that are actual major problems to the limelight to try and improve the world (see what he did with Net Neutrality for an example). Tucker wants the spotlight, glory, fame, and money, while Oliver actually wants to improve the world. By no means are they on the same level. (Also, having a teleprompter is by no means a criticism of either person.)

No, not "anytime you point something out as a white person you're racist". Whenever you say something racist, you prove that you're racist. Tucker Carlson is racist. I'm a white person, and I'm pointing out something in this post, but that doesn't make me racist. A white person can have an opinion and share it without being racist. However, racism exists and white people are more often racist than other racial/cultural groups in the US (you know, because the vast majority of Americans are white).

Quote from: KingCheops on May 27, 2021, 02:25:42 PM
Another day another communist shit stain to add to the ignore list.  British Milhouse is a steaming pile of shit.

I'm not a communist  ;), but I'm sure you wouldn't believe me even if you could see my post.

Also, I thought that conservatives didn't like censorship?

Agreed, John Oliver is nothing like Tucker Carlson. John Oliver is a smug liberal piece of shit, with a sub-normal IQ. Tucker Carlson is probably a conservative, and of at least average human intelligence.

Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:59:40 PM
I'm a white person, and I'm pointing out something in this post, but that doesn't make me racist. A white person can have an opinion and share it without being racist.

But only 'white people' like you, right? And other 'white people' who agree with you, and watch John Oliver?

All the other ones are racist :/

Quote from: yancy on May 27, 2021, 03:16:19 PM
Agreed, John Oliver is nothing like Tucker Carlson. John Oliver is a smug liberal piece of shit, with a sub-normal IQ. Tucker Carlson is probably a conservative, and of at least average human intelligence.

Citation needed for those intelligence comparisons.

Quote from: yancy on May 27, 2021, 03:16:19 PM
Agreed, John Oliver is nothing like Tucker Carlson. John Oliver is a smug liberal piece of shit, with a sub-normal IQ. Tucker Carlson is probably a conservative, and of at least average human intelligence.

Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:59:40 PM
I'm a white person, and I'm pointing out something in this post, but that doesn't make me racist. A white person can have an opinion and share it without being racist.

But only 'white people' like you, right? And other 'white people' who agree with you, and watch John Oliver?

All the other ones are racist :/

Methinks you are using the Genetic Fallacy again (you know, by calling John Oliver "smug liberal shit with a subnormal IQ". Let me also point out that IQ is not a good way to measure intelligence or a person's worth, and that many republicans are also "smug" (you know, like with the "liberal tears" mugs and "fuck your feelings"). Also, the more intelligent someone is, they also tend to be less racist, so if we go by that generalization, Tucker Carlson by default would be less intelligent than John Oliver.

I never said anything along those lines. I don't define racism, I call it when and where I see it. Racism is a fact, and it also is a fact that republicans tend to be more racist than democrats (I'm not saying all republicans are racist or that democrats are not racist. Don't mischaracterize what I'm saying).

When someone like Tucker Carlson says that immigrants make America "poorer and dirtier" that's a sign that they're racist. America was built by and on the backs of immigrants. The "American Dream" was/is about finding a better life in America. To say they make the country poorer and dirtier proves that you're racist. I'm not drawing the line, the line is there, and he crossed it.

If others agree with that statement and similar racist statements by him, I'm not the one labelling you as racist. However, if the shoe fits . . .

Citation 1: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-white-republicans-more-racist-than-white-democrats/
Citation 2: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4845100/

John Oliver was a failed comedian till he crossed the pond and became Jon Stewart's understudy.

I don't know why you would cite him as some kind of counter to Tucker Carlson.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on May 27, 2021, 03:39:09 PM
John Oliver was a failed comedian till he crossed the pond and became Jon Stewart's understudy.

I don't know why you would cite him as some kind of counter to Tucker Carlson.

British Comedy is different from American Comedy. Many comedians don't gain traction before they move to other countries and/or change up their act. That in no way invalidates John Oliver, his opinions, or the video I posted from him explaining why Tucker Carlson is a racist pig seeking only to improve his and his buddies' wellbeing and scoring points with his base.

I don't know why you and other conservatives on this site seem to be so fond of using the Genetic Fallacy, but I recommend you stop doing so. Here you go:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GeneticFallacy#:~:text=Rejecting%20(or%20accepting)%20something%20solely,%2C%20or%20can%20be%2C%20right.

Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 03:32:48 PM

Quote from: yancy on May 27, 2021, 03:16:19 PM
Agreed, John Oliver is nothing like Tucker Carlson. John Oliver is a smug liberal piece of shit, with a sub-normal IQ. Tucker Carlson is probably a conservative, and of at least average human intelligence.

Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:59:40 PM
I'm a white person, and I'm pointing out something in this post, but that doesn't make me racist. A white person can have an opinion and share it without being racist.

But only 'white people' like you, right? And other 'white people' who agree with you, and watch John Oliver?

All the other ones are racist :/

Methinks you are using the Genetic Fallacy again (you know, by calling John Oliver "smug liberal shit with a subnormal IQ". Let me also point out that IQ is not a good way to measure intelligence or a person's worth, and that many republicans are also "smug" (you know, like with the "liberal tears" mugs and "fuck your feelings"). Also, the more intelligent someone is, they also tend to be less racist, so if we go by that generalization, Tucker Carlson by default would be less intelligent than John Oliver.

I never said anything along those lines. I don't define racism, I call it when and where I see it. Racism is a fact, and it also is a fact that republicans tend to be more racist than democrats (I'm not saying all republicans are racist or that democrats are not racist. Don't mischaracterize what I'm saying).

When someone like Tucker Carlson says that immigrants make America "poorer and dirtier" that's a sign that they're racist. America was built by and on the backs of immigrants. The "American Dream" was/is about finding a better life in America. To say they make the country poorer and dirtier proves that you're racist. I'm not drawing the line, the line is there, and he crossed it.

If others agree with that statement and similar racist statements by him, I'm not the one labelling you as racist. However, if the shoe fits . . .

Citation 1: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-white-republicans-more-racist-than-white-democrats/
Citation 2: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4845100/

   Regarding that more intelligent = less Racist theory....I think China and Japan blow huge holes in that theory.   

Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:59:40 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on May 27, 2021, 02:33:01 PM

Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:23:55 PM
Tucker Carlson is a racist, white-nationalist, idiotic fucker that should not be listened to under any circumstance. If any of you are capable of even listening to the "other side's" views, I recommend this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
(No doubt, you think of John Oliver in the same manner that I think of Tucker Carlson, but that's likely due to the genetic fallacy. I despise Tucker Carlson because of his words and actions, not because of his political party.)

  Ah, yet another open and understanding "liberal" pushing for what appears to be an idea of censorship.  I do not believe in the Bible, but I read it.  I do not think Islam has ANY value at all to western civilization, but I read the Koran.   I can not stand totalitarian leftists, but I will watch the young turks (who named their show in such a manner that denotes celebrating a genocidal gang) and a few other similar leftists who are pretty up front with their agendas.  Both Tucker and Oliver are people who read what writers wrote for them, and both like to make some money from appealing to a side's world view or feelz.   

   Everyone knows Tucker is racist, because ANY time you point out something as a white person, well its racist.  Everything is racist, America, and everything about it, its history and its institutions are white supremacist.  So I think to get some insults or pejoratives that have any bite you may want to dig a bit deeper into the newspeak lexicon.

Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

I personally don't agree with any religion on the planet, I'm an atheist, but I support the freedom of religion. I don't support any countries being run by religious laws and governments, but I support the religions existing, even if I feel that they're incorrect. You may want to work on getting over your islamophobia, as Islam has already contributed a ton to so called "Western Civilization" (you know, like inventing algebra).

You must know absolutely nothing about John Oliver if you think he's the same as Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson "reports" on whatever scores points with his base and gets enough people watching his show to keep Fox "News" afloat. John Oliver brings obscure topics that are actual major problems to the limelight to try and improve the world (see what he did with Net Neutrality for an example). Tucker wants the spotlight, glory, fame, and money, while Oliver actually wants to improve the world. By no means are they on the same level. (Also, having a teleprompter is by no means a criticism of either person.)

No, not "anytime you point something out as a white person you're racist". Whenever you say something racist, you prove that you're racist. Tucker Carlson is racist. I'm a white person, and I'm pointing out something in this post, but that doesn't make me racist. A white person can have an opinion and share it without being racist. However, racism exists and white people are more often racist than other racial/cultural groups in the US (you know, because the vast majority of Americans are white).

  The 800's called up and wanted to tell you Islam is not compatible with Western Civilization, offering a tool is great, suggesting they contributed a ton though means to me, you do not read history.  They have literally been competing throughout their histories, and that competition is for dominance, not tolerance.    Islam was MORE progressive when their polymath separate out algebra from greek geometry than they are now.   So ask yourself how exactly any iron age religion, practiced today almost exactly as it was in the iron age in many nations, is compatible with western civilization.  You also do not need to put it in quotes (Western Civilization), its an actual thing, maybe read a book or take a college course sometime?

Quote from: KingCheops on May 27, 2021, 02:25:42 PMAnother day another communist shit stain to add to the ignore list.

Bet he's on there already under another name.

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Quote from: KingCheops on May 27, 2021, 02:25:42 PMAnother day another communist shit stain to add to the ignore list.

Bet he's on there already under another name.

   I think you are dead on.  I also think it is pretty easy to tell the other name.

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Quote from: KingCheops on May 27, 2021, 02:25:42 PMAnother day another communist shit stain to add to the ignore list.

Bet he's on there already under another name.

   I think you are dead on.  I also think it is pretty easy to tell the other name.

Y'all are accusing me of being a different poster? *eyeroll* Think what you want, but I've never been on this site before I made this account. If you want, you can ask RPGPundit to check my email address to see if I'm telling the truth, or however you prove that.

Just because I disagree with you does not make me a troll and it doesn't mean that I'm sockpuppeting.

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Tucker Carlson is a racist, white-nationalist, idiotic fucker that should not be listened to under any circumstance. If any of you are capable of even listening to the "other side's" views, I recommend this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
(No doubt, you think of John Oliver in the same manner that I think of Tucker Carlson, but that's likely due to the genetic fallacy. I despise Tucker Carlson because of his words and actions, not because of his political party.)

  Ah, yet another open and understanding "liberal" pushing for what appears to be an idea of censorship.  I do not believe in the Bible, but I read it.  I do not think Islam has ANY value at all to western civilization, but I read the Koran.   I can not stand totalitarian leftists, but I will watch the young turks (who named their show in such a manner that denotes celebrating a genocidal gang) and a few other similar leftists who are pretty up front with their agendas.  Both Tucker and Oliver are people who read what writers wrote for them, and both like to make some money from appealing to a side's world view or feelz.   

   Everyone knows Tucker is racist, because ANY time you point out something as a white person, well its racist.  Everything is racist, America, and everything about it, its history and its institutions are white supremacist.  So I think to get some insults or pejoratives that have any bite you may want to dig a bit deeper into the newspeak lexicon.

Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

I personally don't agree with any religion on the planet, I'm an atheist, but I support the freedom of religion. I don't support any countries being run by religious laws and governments, but I support the religions existing, even if I feel that they're incorrect. You may want to work on getting over your islamophobia, as Islam has already contributed a ton to so called "Western Civilization" (you know, like inventing algebra).

You must know absolutely nothing about John Oliver if you think he's the same as Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson "reports" on whatever scores points with his base and gets enough people watching his show to keep Fox "News" afloat. John Oliver brings obscure topics that are actual major problems to the limelight to try and improve the world (see what he did with Net Neutrality for an example). Tucker wants the spotlight, glory, fame, and money, while Oliver actually wants to improve the world. By no means are they on the same level. (Also, having a teleprompter is by no means a criticism of either person.)

No, not "anytime you point something out as a white person you're racist". Whenever you say something racist, you prove that you're racist. Tucker Carlson is racist. I'm a white person, and I'm pointing out something in this post, but that doesn't make me racist. A white person can have an opinion and share it without being racist. However, racism exists and white people are more often racist than other racial/cultural groups in the US (you know, because the vast majority of Americans are white).

  The 800's called up and wanted to tell you Islam is not compatible with Western Civilization, offering a tool is great, suggesting they contributed a ton though means to me, you do not read history.  They have literally been competing throughout their histories, and that competition is for dominance, not tolerance.    Islam was MORE progressive when their polymath separate out algebra from greek geometry than they are now.   So ask yourself how exactly any iron age religion, practiced today almost exactly as it was in the iron age in many nations, is compatible with western civilization.  You also do not need to put it in quotes (Western Civilization), its an actual thing, maybe read a book or take a college course sometime?

Islam is not an "iron age religion", as they were founded in the 7th century AD. Also, Christianity has been around longer than Islam and has proved that it can change enough to become a part of Western Civilization. Christianity also has had nations founded with it at the head of the government. Religion does not make one incompatible with Western Civilization. We should not be discriminating against anyone based off of their religion. To suggest that we should is bigoted.

Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:23:55 PM
Tucker Carlson is a racist, white-nationalist, idiotic fucker that should not be listened to under any circumstance. If any of you are capable of even listening to the "other side's" views, I recommend this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
(No doubt, you think of John Oliver in the same manner that I think of Tucker Carlson, but that's likely due to the genetic fallacy. I despise Tucker Carlson because of his words and actions, not because of his political party.)

I've watched exactly zero Tucker Carlson shows, and quite a few of John Oliver's. Oliver was pretty good on some traditional (not modern) liberal talking points, especially those touching on civil liberties like mandatory sentences, but went pants-on-head irrational any time Trump came up, when he transformed from a rational person presenting an argument to a barking seal spewing insults.

I just watched his clip on Carlson, and it's in Trump territory. It's just John Oliver throwing insults and accusations, like islamophobe or transphobe or his favorite white supremacist, without backing anything up. Just more partisan garbage.

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Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:23:55 PM
Tucker Carlson is a racist, white-nationalist, idiotic fucker that should not be listened to under any circumstance. If any of you are capable of even listening to the "other side's" views, I recommend this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
(No doubt, you think of John Oliver in the same manner that I think of Tucker Carlson, but that's likely due to the genetic fallacy. I despise Tucker Carlson because of his words and actions, not because of his political party.)

  Ah, yet another open and understanding "liberal" pushing for what appears to be an idea of censorship.  I do not believe in the Bible, but I read it.  I do not think Islam has ANY value at all to western civilization, but I read the Koran.   I can not stand totalitarian leftists, but I will watch the young turks (who named their show in such a manner that denotes celebrating a genocidal gang) and a few other similar leftists who are pretty up front with their agendas.  Both Tucker and Oliver are people who read what writers wrote for them, and both like to make some money from appealing to a side's world view or feelz.   

   Everyone knows Tucker is racist, because ANY time you point out something as a white person, well its racist.  Everything is racist, America, and everything about it, its history and its institutions are white supremacist.  So I think to get some insults or pejoratives that have any bite you may want to dig a bit deeper into the newspeak lexicon.

Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

I personally don't agree with any religion on the planet, I'm an atheist, but I support the freedom of religion. I don't support any countries being run by religious laws and governments, but I support the religions existing, even if I feel that they're incorrect. You may want to work on getting over your islamophobia, as Islam has already contributed a ton to so called "Western Civilization" (you know, like inventing algebra).

You must know absolutely nothing about John Oliver if you think he's the same as Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson "reports" on whatever scores points with his base and gets enough people watching his show to keep Fox "News" afloat. John Oliver brings obscure topics that are actual major problems to the limelight to try and improve the world (see what he did with Net Neutrality for an example). Tucker wants the spotlight, glory, fame, and money, while Oliver actually wants to improve the world. By no means are they on the same level. (Also, having a teleprompter is by no means a criticism of either person.)

No, not "anytime you point something out as a white person you're racist". Whenever you say something racist, you prove that you're racist. Tucker Carlson is racist. I'm a white person, and I'm pointing out something in this post, but that doesn't make me racist. A white person can have an opinion and share it without being racist. However, racism exists and white people are more often racist than other racial/cultural groups in the US (you know, because the vast majority of Americans are white).

  The 800's called up and wanted to tell you Islam is not compatible with Western Civilization, offering a tool is great, suggesting they contributed a ton though means to me, you do not read history.  They have literally been competing throughout their histories, and that competition is for dominance, not tolerance.    Islam was MORE progressive when their polymath separate out algebra from greek geometry than they are now.   So ask yourself how exactly any iron age religion, practiced today almost exactly as it was in the iron age in many nations, is compatible with western civilization.  You also do not need to put it in quotes (Western Civilization), its an actual thing, maybe read a book or take a college course sometime?

Islam is not an "iron age religion", as they were founded in the 7th century AD. Also, Christianity has been around longer than Islam and has proved that it can change enough to become a part of Western Civilization. Christianity also has had nations founded with it at the head of the government. Religion does not make one incompatible with Western Civilization. We should not be discriminating against anyone based off of their religion. To suggest that we should is bigoted.

You are confusing actual date of foundation with its actual beliefs.   It is still in the iron age with regard to its customs and culture.

Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:59:40 PM

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Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:23:55 PM
Tucker Carlson is a racist, white-nationalist, idiotic fucker that should not be listened to under any circumstance. If any of you are capable of even listening to the "other side's" views, I recommend this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
(No doubt, you think of John Oliver in the same manner that I think of Tucker Carlson, but that's likely due to the genetic fallacy. I despise Tucker Carlson because of his words and actions, not because of his political party.)

  Ah, yet another open and understanding "liberal" pushing for what appears to be an idea of censorship.  I do not believe in the Bible, but I read it.  I do not think Islam has ANY value at all to western civilization, but I read the Koran.   I can not stand totalitarian leftists, but I will watch the young turks (who named their show in such a manner that denotes celebrating a genocidal gang) and a few other similar leftists who are pretty up front with their agendas.  Both Tucker and Oliver are people who read what writers wrote for them, and both like to make some money from appealing to a side's world view or feelz.   

   Everyone knows Tucker is racist, because ANY time you point out something as a white person, well its racist.  Everything is racist, America, and everything about it, its history and its institutions are white supremacist.  So I think to get some insults or pejoratives that have any bite you may want to dig a bit deeper into the newspeak lexicon.

Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

Have you ever heard of the Tautology of Intolerance? If you're intolerant, then you're not tolerant, even if you ban all the people who dare to point that out.

I suggest reading Fahrenheit 451.

Greetings!

Islam did not invent Algebra. Hindu Indian mathematicians invented Algebra. The Muslims embraced the Indian mathematical concepts through their trade contacts and conquests through the eastern Persian frontier.

Much of the concepts and ideas that Islam benefitted from are ideas, concepts, and systems that the Muslims gained from the earlier civilizations of ancient Greece, the Roman Empire, Byzantium, and the empires of India--all of which predated Islam. Islam did not, in reality, invent or create most of which they have been applauded for by many.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

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Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:59:40 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on May 27, 2021, 02:33:01 PM

Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:23:55 PM
Tucker Carlson is a racist, white-nationalist, idiotic fucker that should not be listened to under any circumstance. If any of you are capable of even listening to the "other side's" views, I recommend this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
(No doubt, you think of John Oliver in the same manner that I think of Tucker Carlson, but that's likely due to the genetic fallacy. I despise Tucker Carlson because of his words and actions, not because of his political party.)

Ah, yet another open and understanding "liberal" pushing for what appears to be an idea of censorship.  I do not believe in the Bible, but I read it.  I do not think Islam has ANY value at all to western civilization, but I read the Koran.   I can not stand totalitarian leftists, but I will watch the young turks (who named their show in such a manner that denotes celebrating a genocidal gang) and a few other similar leftists who are pretty up front with their agendas.  Both Tucker and Oliver are people who read what writers wrote for them, and both like to make some money from appealing to a side's world view or feelz.   

   Everyone knows Tucker is racist, because ANY time you point out something as a white person, well its racist.  Everything is racist, America, and everything about it, its history and its institutions are white supremacist.  So I think to get some insults or pejoratives that have any bite you may want to dig a bit deeper into the newspeak lexicon.

Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

Have you ever heard of the Tautology of Intolerance? If you're intolerant, then you're not tolerant, even if you ban all the people who dare to point that out.

I suggest reading Fahrenheit 451.

I have read Fahrenheit 451, and 1984, and other dystopian books that conservatives love to refer to so much.

By the nature of tolerance, you have to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints. The Tautology of Intolerance does not refute that. If we're tolerant of Nazis, their viewpoints, and their actions, then Jews and a ton of other people will be killed/otherwise discriminated against. The only way to deal with Nazi and similar intolerant groups in a tolerant society is to be intolerant of them. That's why it's called the "Paradox of Tolerance", because you have to reject some viewpoints in order to embrace the rest.

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Quote from: Pat on May 27, 2021, 04:44:41 PM

Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:59:40 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on May 27, 2021, 02:33:01 PM

Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:23:55 PM
Tucker Carlson is a racist, white-nationalist, idiotic fucker that should not be listened to under any circumstance. If any of you are capable of even listening to the "other side's" views, I recommend this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
(No doubt, you think of John Oliver in the same manner that I think of Tucker Carlson, but that's likely due to the genetic fallacy. I despise Tucker Carlson because of his words and actions, not because of his political party.)

Ah, yet another open and understanding "liberal" pushing for what appears to be an idea of censorship.  I do not believe in the Bible, but I read it.  I do not think Islam has ANY value at all to western civilization, but I read the Koran.   I can not stand totalitarian leftists, but I will watch the young turks (who named their show in such a manner that denotes celebrating a genocidal gang) and a few other similar leftists who are pretty up front with their agendas.  Both Tucker and Oliver are people who read what writers wrote for them, and both like to make some money from appealing to a side's world view or feelz.   

   Everyone knows Tucker is racist, because ANY time you point out something as a white person, well its racist.  Everything is racist, America, and everything about it, its history and its institutions are white supremacist.  So I think to get some insults or pejoratives that have any bite you may want to dig a bit deeper into the newspeak lexicon.

Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

Have you ever heard of the Tautology of Intolerance? If you're intolerant, then you're not tolerant, even if you ban all the people who dare to point that out.

I suggest reading Fahrenheit 451.

I have read Fahrenheit 451, and 1984, and other dystopian books that conservatives love to refer to so much.

By the nature of tolerance, you have to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints. The Tautology of Intolerance does not refute that. If we're tolerant of Nazis, their viewpoints, and their actions, then Jews and a ton of other people will be killed/otherwise discriminated against. The only way to deal with Nazi and similar intolerant groups in a tolerant society is to be intolerant of them. That's why it's called the "Paradox of Tolerance", because you have to reject some viewpoints in order to embrace the rest.

   But we want to be sure to tolerate Islam because........I mean if Jews being killed or discriminated against is a problem.......

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Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:59:40 PM

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Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:23:55 PM
Tucker Carlson is a racist, white-nationalist, idiotic fucker that should not be listened to under any circumstance. If any of you are capable of even listening to the "other side's" views, I recommend this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
(No doubt, you think of John Oliver in the same manner that I think of Tucker Carlson, but that's likely due to the genetic fallacy. I despise Tucker Carlson because of his words and actions, not because of his political party.)

Ah, yet another open and understanding "liberal" pushing for what appears to be an idea of censorship.  I do not believe in the Bible, but I read it.  I do not think Islam has ANY value at all to western civilization, but I read the Koran.   I can not stand totalitarian leftists, but I will watch the young turks (who named their show in such a manner that denotes celebrating a genocidal gang) and a few other similar leftists who are pretty up front with their agendas.  Both Tucker and Oliver are people who read what writers wrote for them, and both like to make some money from appealing to a side's world view or feelz.   

   Everyone knows Tucker is racist, because ANY time you point out something as a white person, well its racist.  Everything is racist, America, and everything about it, its history and its institutions are white supremacist.  So I think to get some insults or pejoratives that have any bite you may want to dig a bit deeper into the newspeak lexicon.

Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

Have you ever heard of the Tautology of Intolerance? If you're intolerant, then you're not tolerant, even if you ban all the people who dare to point that out.

I suggest reading Fahrenheit 451.

I have read Fahrenheit 451, and 1984, and other dystopian books that conservatives love to refer to so much.

By the nature of tolerance, you have to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints. The Tautology of Intolerance does not refute that. If we're tolerant of Nazis, their viewpoints, and their actions, then Jews and a ton of other people will be killed/otherwise discriminated against. The only way to deal with Nazi and similar intolerant groups in a tolerant society is to be intolerant of them. That's why it's called the "Paradox of Tolerance", because you have to reject some viewpoints in order to embrace the rest.

Greetings!

Yes, precisely why Liberal, cock-sucking Marxist tyrant scum should not be "tolerated" by any society that desired to continue to thrive. We can clearly see the tyrannical, murderous desires that they have in society now, as well as see the absolute tyranny they deeply desire and love to impose on everyone else in society.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 04:50:32 PM

Quote from: Pat on May 27, 2021, 04:44:41 PM

Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:59:40 PM

Quote from: oggsmash on May 27, 2021, 02:33:01 PM

Quote from: UndyingDM on May 27, 2021, 02:23:55 PM
Tucker Carlson is a racist, white-nationalist, idiotic fucker that should not be listened to under any circumstance. If any of you are capable of even listening to the "other side's" views, I recommend this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
(No doubt, you think of John Oliver in the same manner that I think of Tucker Carlson, but that's likely due to the genetic fallacy. I despise Tucker Carlson because of his words and actions, not because of his political party.)

Ah, yet another open and understanding "liberal" pushing for what appears to be an idea of censorship.  I do not believe in the Bible, but I read it.  I do not think Islam has ANY value at all to western civilization, but I read the Koran.   I can not stand totalitarian leftists, but I will watch the young turks (who named their show in such a manner that denotes celebrating a genocidal gang) and a few other similar leftists who are pretty up front with their agendas.  Both Tucker and Oliver are people who read what writers wrote for them, and both like to make some money from appealing to a side's world view or feelz.   

   Everyone knows Tucker is racist, because ANY time you point out something as a white person, well its racist.  Everything is racist, America, and everything about it, its history and its institutions are white supremacist.  So I think to get some insults or pejoratives that have any bite you may want to dig a bit deeper into the newspeak lexicon.

Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

Have you ever heard of the Tautology of Intolerance? If you're intolerant, then you're not tolerant, even if you ban all the people who dare to point that out.

I suggest reading Fahrenheit 451.

I have read Fahrenheit 451, and 1984, and other dystopian books that conservatives love to refer to so much.

By the nature of tolerance, you have to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints. The Tautology of Intolerance does not refute that. If we're tolerant of Nazis, their viewpoints, and their actions, then Jews and a ton of other people will be killed/otherwise discriminated against. The only way to deal with Nazi and similar intolerant groups in a tolerant society is to be intolerant of them. That's why it's called the "Paradox of Tolerance", because you have to reject some viewpoints in order to embrace the rest.

   Your issue is going to get super serious when you wake up one day and find out you do not get to decide what is or is not intolerable.  Because if you keep pushing it you might just convince your political enemies they are in an actual fight, and they will start doing real damage to people like you.   Me personally I do not care to be here in the Good ol USA when the fucktards here push one another to that point.  Good luck to you, and god bless.

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I have read Fahrenheit 451, and 1984, and other dystopian books that conservatives love to refer to so much.

By the nature of tolerance, you have to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints. The Tautology of Intolerance does not refute that. If we're tolerant of Nazis, their viewpoints, and their actions, then Jews and a ton of other people will be killed/otherwise discriminated against. The only way to deal with Nazi and similar intolerant groups in a tolerant society is to be intolerant of them. That's why it's called the "Paradox of Tolerance", because you have to reject some viewpoints in order to embrace the rest.

So George Orwell, avowed socialist until his death, is a conservative? Your attempt to falsely pigeonhole people leads to some absurd conundrums, doesn't?

And no, tolerance requiring intolerance is just false. You're rejecting the entire principle of freedom of speech, while trying to pretend you're supporting free discourse and puppies. One of the fallacies you're using is conflating actions (killed/discriminated against) with words and viewpoints. We can stop bad actions, but we need to allow divergent opinions and speech, even ones as offensive and as opposed to freedom of speech and other liberal ideals as yours, and allow the marketplace of ideas to work. Otherwise, we can't have a tolerant society. Because, as we're seeing now, the boundaries of "tolerance" will quickly shift, until anything except the One Approved View is suppressed. It's the start of a totalitarian state.

There is a kernel of truth in the Paradox of Tolerance, but only a small kernel. It's largely used to describe anonymous internet behavior, which is a very unique situation, that creates some unique pressures. If you're interested in a nuanced example of how exactly internet discourse can go wrong, and you're willing to read a lengthy essay on the subject, here's a good analysis:
https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/02/22/rip-culture-war-thread/

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Tucker Carlson is a racist, white-nationalist, idiotic fucker that should not be listened to under any circumstance. If any of you are capable of even listening to the "other side's" views, I recommend this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
(No doubt, you think of John Oliver in the same manner that I think of Tucker Carlson, but that's likely due to the genetic fallacy. I despise Tucker Carlson because of his words and actions, not because of his political party.)

Ah, yet another open and understanding "liberal" pushing for what appears to be an idea of censorship.  I do not believe in the Bible, but I read it.  I do not think Islam has ANY value at all to western civilization, but I read the Koran.   I can not stand totalitarian leftists, but I will watch the young turks (who named their show in such a manner that denotes celebrating a genocidal gang) and a few other similar leftists who are pretty up front with their agendas.  Both Tucker and Oliver are people who read what writers wrote for them, and both like to make some money from appealing to a side's world view or feelz.   

   Everyone knows Tucker is racist, because ANY time you point out something as a white person, well its racist.  Everything is racist, America, and everything about it, its history and its institutions are white supremacist.  So I think to get some insults or pejoratives that have any bite you may want to dig a bit deeper into the newspeak lexicon.

Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

Have you ever heard of the Tautology of Intolerance? If you're intolerant, then you're not tolerant, even if you ban all the people who dare to point that out.

I suggest reading Fahrenheit 451.

I have read Fahrenheit 451, and 1984, and other dystopian books that conservatives love to refer to so much.

By the nature of tolerance, you have to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints. The Tautology of Intolerance does not refute that. If we're tolerant of Nazis, their viewpoints, and their actions, then Jews and a ton of other people will be killed/otherwise discriminated against. The only way to deal with Nazi and similar intolerant groups in a tolerant society is to be intolerant of them. That's why it's called the "Paradox of Tolerance", because you have to reject some viewpoints in order to embrace the rest.

   But we want to be sure to tolerate Islam because........I mean if Jews being killed or discriminated against is a problem.......

Don't. Seriously, don't go there. It's one thing to acknowledge the conflict between Islam and Judaism as a pervasive problem that needs addressing, and it's another to accuse all islamic people of being racist/anti-Semitic/genocidal. If your answer to discrimination against Jews is to discriminate against Islam, you need to think that over to find the issue there. There's no "fighting fire with fire" when it comes to religious discrimination.

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Tucker Carlson is a racist, white-nationalist, idiotic fucker that should not be listened to under any circumstance. If any of you are capable of even listening to the "other side's" views, I recommend this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc
(No doubt, you think of John Oliver in the same manner that I think of Tucker Carlson, but that's likely due to the genetic fallacy. I despise Tucker Carlson because of his words and actions, not because of his political party.)

Ah, yet another open and understanding "liberal" pushing for what appears to be an idea of censorship.  I do not believe in the Bible, but I read it.  I do not think Islam has ANY value at all to western civilization, but I read the Koran.   I can not stand totalitarian leftists, but I will watch the young turks (who named their show in such a manner that denotes celebrating a genocidal gang) and a few other similar leftists who are pretty up front with their agendas.  Both Tucker and Oliver are people who read what writers wrote for them, and both like to make some money from appealing to a side's world view or feelz.   

   Everyone knows Tucker is racist, because ANY time you point out something as a white person, well its racist.  Everything is racist, America, and everything about it, its history and its institutions are white supremacist.  So I think to get some insults or pejoratives that have any bite you may want to dig a bit deeper into the newspeak lexicon.

Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

Have you ever heard of the Tautology of Intolerance? If you're intolerant, then you're not tolerant, even if you ban all the people who dare to point that out.

I suggest reading Fahrenheit 451.

I have read Fahrenheit 451, and 1984, and other dystopian books that conservatives love to refer to so much.

By the nature of tolerance, you have to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints. The Tautology of Intolerance does not refute that. If we're tolerant of Nazis, their viewpoints, and their actions, then Jews and a ton of other people will be killed/otherwise discriminated against. The only way to deal with Nazi and similar intolerant groups in a tolerant society is to be intolerant of them. That's why it's called the "Paradox of Tolerance", because you have to reject some viewpoints in order to embrace the rest.

   But we want to be sure to tolerate Islam because........I mean if Jews being killed or discriminated against is a problem.......

Don't. Seriously, don't go there. It's one thing to acknowledge the conflict between Islam and Judaism as a pervasive problem that needs addressing, and it's another to accuse all islamic people of being racist/anti-Semitic/genocidal. If your answer to discrimination against Jews is to discriminate against Islam, you need to think that over to find the issue there. There's no "fighting fire with fire" when it comes to religious discrimination.

    Islam has issue with judaism.   This is in the text, they are taxed and treated differently than a Muslim.  In fairness they also tax and treat Christians differently, and slaughter idolaters and atheists.  But if you have issue with the text as written, take it up with the book.   I have no doubts there are Muslims who do not adopt that view (and the fundamentalists, which are a HUGE portion of the Muslim population, call them bad Muslims) and especially the ones focused on broad economic issues or living in non Muslim governed nations.   But I think you do not know very much about Islam.  It is different from Christianity, where they feel render unto the lord what is his, and render unto caesar what is his (meaning they feel faith and government are different things largely) whereas Islam maps out ALL aspects of life. 

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Quote from: KingCheops on May 27, 2021, 02:25:42 PMAnother day another communist shit stain to add to the ignore list.

Bet he's on there already under another name.

   I think you are dead on.  I also think it is pretty easy to tell the other name.

Y'all are accusing me of being a different poster? *eyeroll* Think what you want, but I've never been on this site before I made this account. If you want, you can ask RPGPundit to check my email address to see if I'm telling the truth, or however you prove that.

Just because I disagree with you does not make me a troll and it doesn't mean that I'm sockpuppeting.

This dude thinks that using different email addresses means we can't tell when he's sockpuppeting. Banned.

If the USA was an evil racist hellhole, then people wouldn't be scrambling to migrate here from Mexico and Africa. The most successful citizens wouldn't be Asian-Americans on average.

There's always room for improvement, but when isn't there?

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Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

Have you ever heard of the Tautology of Intolerance? If you're intolerant, then you're not tolerant, even if you ban all the people who dare to point that out.

The Paradox of Tolerance reminds of when Jesus said "Love Thy Neighbor, But Not If They Are Bigots Cause Fuck Those Guys"

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Have you heard of the Paradox of Tolerance? I suggest looking it up. It boils down to that in order for a tolerant society to exist, it has to be intolerant of intolerant viewpoints, otherwise it gets destroyed and overrun by intolerant viewpoints and people. Forgive me if I do not tolerate racists and intolerant people, because that is how I have to exist by nature or fail to exist at all.

Have you ever heard of the Tautology of Intolerance? If you're intolerant, then you're not tolerant, even if you ban all the people who dare to point that out.

The Paradox of Tolerance reminds of when Jesus said "Love Thy Neighbor, But Not If They Are Bigots Cause Fuck Those Guys"

Greetings!

That's right, Shasarak!

Fuck the "Paradox of Tolerance." That's just a fancied up way of crushing freedom of speech, and crushing anyone that doesn't suck down the fucking Marxist jello.

Open wide, and gulp down our tolerance jello!

Fucking Marxist cuck probably has that lit up, dewy-eyed soy-boy look, wearing pajamas, while getting fucked in the ass.

TRUE freedom means there is people in society allowed to say things that you consider to be racist, bigoted, phobic, or otherwise "intolerant."

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
-- Poetic variation on a prose confession by Father Martin Niemöller, displayed at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
-- H.L. Mencken

Tolerate does not mean "like". If you believe in tolerance, it doesn't mean supporting people who already agree with you. And it's not enough to extend it to those who disagree with you in inoffensive ways. Tolerance means learning to live with, and suffer the words, not just of people you don't care about one way or the other, but also people who you don't like, and even people you despise. It doesn't matter their color or creed, their ideology or nationality, or their personal beliefs. It's about shared human dignity, and the faith that, when people are allowed to make up their own minds, good ideas will flourish and bad ideas will wither.

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"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
-- Poetic variation on a prose confession by Father Martin Niemöller, displayed at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
-- H.L. Mencken

Tolerate does not mean "like". If you believe in tolerance, it doesn't mean supporting people who already agree with you. And it's not enough to extend it to those who disagree with you in inoffensive ways. Tolerance means learning to live with, and suffer the words, not just of people you don't care about one way or the other, but also people who you don't like, and even people you despise. It doesn't matter their color or creed, their ideology or nationality, or their personal beliefs. It's about shared human dignity, and the faith that, when people are allowed to make up their own minds, good ideas will flourish and bad ideas will wither.

Think of it as a Venn diagram.

Big circle is 'things I tolerate'. Nickelback, surly cashiers, Mistwell, and people who always need to borrow my dice.

Within that circle, a smaller circle, labeled 'things I like and approve of': armed self defense, RPGs (mostly), puppies, kittens, and Thomas Sowell.

There's a lot of things I tolerate, but if someone starts demanding I move items from big circle to little circle, they're going to find themselves moved OUT of the big circle. And at that point it gets awkward.

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There's a lot of things I tolerate, but if someone starts demanding I move items from big circle to little circle, they're going to find themselves moved OUT of the big circle. And at that point it gets awkward.

That's what she said.

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Quote from: Pat on May 27, 2021, 08:06:05 PM
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
-- Poetic variation on a prose confession by Father Martin Niemöller, displayed at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
-- H.L. Mencken

Tolerate does not mean "like". If you believe in tolerance, it doesn't mean supporting people who already agree with you. And it's not enough to extend it to those who disagree with you in inoffensive ways. Tolerance means learning to live with, and suffer the words, not just of people you don't care about one way or the other, but also people who you don't like, and even people you despise. It doesn't matter their color or creed, their ideology or nationality, or their personal beliefs. It's about shared human dignity, and the faith that, when people are allowed to make up their own minds, good ideas will flourish and bad ideas will wither.

Think of it as a Venn diagram.

Big circle is 'things I tolerate'. Nickelback, surly cashiers, Mistwell, and people who always need to borrow my dice.

Within that circle, a smaller circle, labeled 'things I like and approve of': armed self defense, RPGs (mostly), puppies, kittens, and Thomas Sowell.

There's a lot of things I tolerate, but if someone starts demanding I move items from big circle to little circle, they're going to find themselves moved OUT of the big circle. And at that point it gets awkward.

Brilliantly put.

Tolerance, that grand foundational stone of civic nationalism.

While crucial for a functional America, both concepts seem like naïve nostalgia in 2021.

The math is very simple.

Do you want your child to become a fucked up, self-hating leftist shitbag?

If yes, send your kid to public school and give them unfettered access to modern media.

If not, homeschool your child and curate their media diet.

More parents like Tatiana?

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More parents like Tatiana?

Why? So the school boards and indoctrinators can ignore her and/or target her child?

Parents aren't going to alter the broken US education system enough to matter during the K-12 years of their children. They are up against the Teacher's Union and tens of thousands of entrenched bureaucrats nationwide who have debased our education system over the past 40 years. It would take a decade of massive effort (or brutal destruction of the system) to fix it...and that's not happening.

If Tatiana wants to save her kids, she needs to homeschool them. If Tatiana wants to save more kids, she needs to organize other parents with similar beliefs and help them build a local homeschooling community.

Quote from: Spinachcat on June 05, 2021, 11:09:08 PM
They are up against the Teacher's Union and tens of thousands of entrenched bureaucrats nationwide

I don't know about tens of thousands but I find it scary how the chinese trojan horse permeated all branches of society and magically, almost as if overnight people no longer think for themselves. And the wokepire keeps getting more retarded by the day. It's ludicrous how communism is literally spreading all over the world and people are no longer there, like is 99% of the world a matrix sim with no minds of their own?

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Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on June 05, 2021, 10:36:49 PM
More parents like Tatiana?

Why? So the school boards and indoctrinators can ignore her and/or target her child?

Parents aren't going to alter the broken US education system enough to matter during the K-12 years of their children. They are up against the Teacher's Union and tens of thousands of entrenched bureaucrats nationwide who have debased our education system over the past 40 years. It would take a decade of massive effort (or brutal destruction of the system) to fix it...and that's not happening.

If Tatiana wants to save her kids, she needs to homeschool them. If Tatiana wants to save more kids, she needs to organize other parents with similar beliefs and help them build a local homeschooling community.

Alternately, we could just start fitting these bureaucrats with cement overshoes and putting them in deep water.

Granted, that is an extreme measure.

Oh my God. UNICEF said porn is safe for children. What the fuck?!

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Oh my God. UNICEF said porn is safe for children. What the fuck?!

I can't find a single mainstream news source covering that. I'm only getting a handful of hits, and they're all very minor sites on the right. Here's one that hosts a copy of the original report, which has apparently been pulled from UNICEF's website because of the bad publicity:

https://www.cnsnews.com/article/international/elisabeth-nieshalla/after-complaints-unicef-apparently-pulls-report-claiming

Yeah, UNICEF has already posted an 'edited' version....

  The problem I see for people have no real principles or limits, it is hard for them to control themselves when it comes to turning up the temperature on the frog.   

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on June 06, 2021, 03:07:48 PM
Oh my God. UNICEF said porn is safe for children. What the fuck?!

I can't find a single mainstream news source covering that. I'm only getting a handful of hits, and they're all very minor sites on the right. Here's one that hosts a copy of the original report, which has apparently been pulled from UNICEF's website because of the bad publicity:

https://www.cnsnews.com/article/international/elisabeth-nieshalla/after-complaints-unicef-apparently-pulls-report-claiming

Found a radical feminist board discussing it: https://ovarit.com/o/Radfemmery/33358/unicef-edition