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#30
December 09, 2006, 10:44:57 PM
Quote from: James McMurrayLennon is being used as a symbol by alternative style gamers? This I gotta see. Is there a link or something I can laugh at?

In this case, its music Swine, not gaming Swine: The term "swine" in fact has nothing to do with RPGs specifically. It has to do with people who put a value on appearances over truth, and image over substance.

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#31
December 09, 2006, 10:46:57 PM
Apparently, you haven't got the clearest definition of hypocrite around. Lennon never pretended to be something else than what he was at any given time.

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#32
December 09, 2006, 11:24:35 PM
To some people, hypocrisy is the worst thing in the world. Personally, I think everybody is a hypocrite, at least to some degree.

James McMurray

#33
December 10, 2006, 02:39:34 AM
Quote from: RPGPunditIn this case, its music Swine, not gaming Swine: The term "swine" in fact has nothing to do with RPGs specifically. It has to do with people who put a value on appearances over truth, and image over substance.

RPGPundit

Ah. You may want to use a different term then, as you've very specifically defined what Swine means on this site in past posts.

Hastur T. Fannon

#34
December 10, 2006, 05:27:13 AM
Quote from: ZalmoxisTo some people, hypocrisy is the worst thing in the world. Personally, I think everybody is a hypocrite, at least to some degree.

In the "Cost of Discipleship", Dietrich Bonhoeffer, riffing off the impossible standard of behaviour that Jesus sets in the Semon on the Mount (Matthew 5-8), implies and comes very close to actually saying that being a hypocrite is actually a positive thing as long as you realise it, admit it and know why you're doing it

It keeps you humble

(a lot of Bono's career, particularly post-Joshua Tree, can be viewed this way)
 

David R

#35
December 10, 2006, 05:55:02 AM
Quote from: James McMurrayAh. You may want to use a different term then, as you've very specifically defined what Swine means on this site in past posts.

After therpgsite we all began to see things differently.

He had a plan.

To what good?

To what greater purpose?

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David R

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#36
December 10, 2006, 10:25:44 AM
Quote from: James McMurrayAh. You may want to use a different term then, as you've very specifically defined what Swine means on this site in past posts.

Yes, well I assumed most people here knew that "Swine" was not originally my term, and that swinedom applies to more than just RPGs, and that obviously if I was talking about "the Swine" in the context of music, it had nothing to do with the Swine in the context of RPGs.

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Settembrini

#37
December 10, 2006, 12:15:35 PM
Quotebut until recently in your particular country there was about a 0% risk of being sent to participate in any war zone.

So what, not for my generation. And for the time before, there was the very real danger of ww3 happening just here.

QuoteWW ruined your gaming. Lennon fans ruined your politics and universities...two questions...

No, WW is not relevant here in Germany. And my gaming is fine. WW and the swine ruined anglophone internet discourse, though.

Quote1. Is there any activity you particpate in and draw from that is not dependent on how others engage in said activity?

No, because I live in a complex society. And that´s why it´s extremely important to constantly fight for the public opinion. I do that in every field I care for.  And I stand up for the values  I claim, be it in the military, in my political party, in my hobby  or as a private person.

Quote2. Isn't one of the characteristics of the Swine proper according to your definition that they complain about everything from the weather to politics?

Yes. Because they don´t act upon their values. I do, as hard as I can.
And those german swine 68  shitheads here weren´t against the war in vietnam because of any real reasons. It was all a question of aesthetics, and "HoHoHo-Chi-Minh" sounded so much better than the National Anthemn, Che guevara also looked better than Nixon. By the way, you as US Americans are all Nazis, didn´t you know? Because that´s what the Lennon-Fan fuckheads of 68 still believe.
"U-S-A --SS--SA" that´s what they chanted. If that´s more chic to you, so be it.
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David R

#38
December 10, 2006, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: SettembriniNo, WW is not relevant here in Germany. And my gaming is fine. WW and the swine ruined anglophone internet discourse, though.

No they didn't. They are just participating like everyone else.


QuoteNo, because I live in a complex society. And that´s why it´s extremely important to constantly fight for the public opinion. I do that in every field I care for.  And I stand up for the values  I claim, be it in the military, in my political party, in my hobby  or as a private person.

Some would argue that you have done more harm than good with your rants. The last thing of importance to me is what gamers on the internet think of gaming, but to you it seems that our hobby is in danger, well what can I say, your insecurity  shines through most of your post on the so-called Swine.

I agree that there needs to be active participation by all members of society. I don't think you are productively participating in our hobby with your attitude of labelling gamers with different tastes than your's swine.


QuoteYes. Because they don´t act upon their values. I do, as hard as I can.
And those german swine 68  shitheads here weren´t against the war in vietnam because of any real reasons. It was all a question of aesthetics, and "HoHoHo-Chi-Minh" sounded so much better than the National Anthemn, Che guevara also looked better than Nixon.

You know this for a fact? Yeah the swine don't act up on their values.Sure man. The WW Swine make their games. The Forge Swine make their games.That's called acting on their values...oh wait you mean their pretentious values. Or wait , you mean the fans of those games.

With regards to culture, there were/are a hell of a lot of folks who believe that what Lennon said - said mind you, was worth something, even though the man himself hardly ever lived up to his words.

But off course, you just lump everyone together. Your need to clearly define the enemy is, touching. Tack on motives to anyone who does not subscribe to your politics, whatever the fuck they may be. Rock on you rebel.

QuoteBy the way, you as US Americans are all Nazis, didn´t you know? Because that´s what the Lennon-Fan fuckheads of 68 still believe.
"U-S-A --SS--SA" that´s what they chanted. If that´s more chic to you, so be it.

Maybe you weren't aware, but I'm not American. As for the last, that's obviously untrue and just another example of you distorting the argument to justify whatever ...:shrug:

Regards,
David R

James McMurray

#39
December 10, 2006, 05:44:30 PM
Quote from: RPGPunditYes, well I assumed most people here knew that "Swine" was not originally my term, and that swinedom applies to more than just RPGs, and that obviously if I was talking about "the Swine" in the context of music, it had nothing to do with the Swine in the context of RPGs.

RPGPundit

But here in your tiny little kingdom you've redefined the term. Ask anybody whose term it is and they'll say you. Ask them what it means and you'll get various answers, all of which boil down to "those RPGers that Pundit disagrees with." Sure, you can use it to mean different things, even things that the rest of the world uses it for, but it'd be like me referring to my Gamemaster's car as GM Fiat.

And oh yeah, "dude, lighten up. it was a joke." I thought Lennon's dream was a world without sticks up asses?

Settembrini

#40
December 10, 2006, 06:41:13 PM
QuoteI agree that there needs to be active participation by all members of society. I don't think you are productively participating in our hobby with your attitude of labelling gamers with different tastes than your's swine.
Don´t shuffle around the arguments. I´m not labeling anyone swine who has difffering tastes. The swinish pigs to fight are all very well defined, at least for my part. Railroady would-be-novelists and threadcrapanistas with jumbled up terminology and stolen jargon are my enemies.
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David R

#41
December 10, 2006, 07:12:21 PM
Quote from: SettembriniDon´t shuffle around the arguments. I´m not labeling anyone swine who has difffering tastes. The swinish pigs to fight are all very well defined, at least for my part. Railroady would-be-novelists and threadcrapanistas with jumbled up terminology and stolen jargon are my enemies.

Enemies? Jeebus. Indulge for a while in a lifestyle choice called perspective - okay. That's the problem with belicose terms isn't it? It's difficut to define. You didn't define, you tried to refine it, most probably because you realized how unproductive it was. And it still doesn't make much sense. If you have a differing opinion by all means state it. Why the stolen jargon on your part ?

Regards,
David R
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