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Author Topic: James Raggi refuse to bend over backwards for the SJWs  (Read 9299 times)

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« Reply #90 on: October 10, 2019, 06:00:08 PM »
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I don't think blacklisting is ok.
I do think that blacklisting will be used as a tactic, no matter how I feel about it, or what I say about it.

Anyone, with a few very notable and rare exceptions, when put up against the wall, will toss their principles in the face of percieved annihilation.

If you have another solution, I'm all ears.
I don't think there's any magic solution that will make blacklisting disappear as a tactic. But I do think that by arguing against blacklisting, I could potentially make one or two people stop supporting it. Blacklisting isn't democratic - but it is often driven by mob behavior, and the mob is made of individuals. If enough of a fraction of the mob are changed, then it could tip the balance of power.

I'm actually not clear what your solution is. What would I be doing instead if I supported your solution?

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« Reply #91 on: October 10, 2019, 06:08:26 PM »
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I don't think there's any magic solution that will make blacklisting disappear as a tactic. But I do think that by arguing against blacklisting, I could potentially make one or two people stop supporting it. Blacklisting isn't democratic - but it is often driven by mob behavior, and the mob is made of individuals. If enough of a fraction of the mob are changed, then it could tip the balance of power.

I'm actually not clear what your solution is. What would I be doing instead if I supported your solution?

Unless those people you manage to convince are the big kahunas in some corporation you're not making any progress. Especially since you're arguing with the side that doesn't have the power to black list anybody. We're mostly arguing for boycotts, vote with your wallet. And helping the cannibals to eat their own.
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« Reply #92 on: October 10, 2019, 06:09:05 PM »
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I don't think there's any magic solution that will make blacklisting disappear as a tactic. But I do think that by arguing against blacklisting, I could potentially make one or two people stop supporting it. Blacklisting isn't democratic - but it is often driven by mob behavior, and the mob is made of individuals. If enough of a fraction of the mob are changed, then it could tip the balance of power.

I'm actually not clear what your solution is. What would I be doing instead if I supported your solution?

I don't have a solution. I'm hoping somebody has one that actually seems promising.
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« Reply #93 on: October 10, 2019, 06:09:13 PM »
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[Sarcasm]But they called me NAMES!  The least we can do is ensure that their careers are ruined, they have no future prospects for work in any industry, and we continue to harass their friends and loved ones with threats of death, rape, or some combination![/sarcasm]


Having a little trouble catching the intent of your post DeadDM; is that directed at me?

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« Reply #94 on: October 10, 2019, 06:17:37 PM »
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I don't have a solution. I'm hoping somebody has one that actually seems promising.

I think taking a more positive approach is the way to go. Support companies that are not in support of blacklisting, support designers who get blacklisted. Make sure people understand there is a demand for the content that isn't being made available, etc. I think turning into the boogeyman the other side wants you to be, that isn't going to help at all. No guarantees that you will succeed, like JHKIM said. There is obviously a broader cultural shift towards things like deplatforming and trying to get people blacklisted for a variety of reasons. Also if someone spreads a blatant falsehood, setting the record straight is a good idea. I just think you want to do it in a way that actually persuades people. And actually going out there and talking to the people who hold these views (not just to persuade them, but so you clearly know what their arguments are) is important. But trying to prevent anyone from working, I just can't get behind that. I think when you do that to people all you do is make them more extreme. Also, you have to accept there are going to be people who disagree with you, and you are going to have to continue dealing them. You are not going to win this by defeating people, you are going to win it by defeating ideas.

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« Reply #95 on: October 10, 2019, 08:58:51 PM »
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Links???


I haven't got links, they were sent to me as screenshots by the Proxy Army. I don't know if they were public or semi-public (ie. from a personal social media), so I don't think it would be appropriate to share them here.

Edit: I see later someone posted to them anyways, and they're from Raggi's facebook.
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« Reply #96 on: October 10, 2019, 09:11:10 PM »
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Having a little trouble catching the intent of your post DeadDM; is that directed at me?

No. Sorry if it was unclear.  I was teasing Ratman.
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« Reply #97 on: October 10, 2019, 10:38:49 PM »
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I haven't got links, they were sent to me as screenshots by the Proxy Army. I don't know if they were public or semi-public (ie. from a personal social media), so I don't think it would be appropriate to share them here.

Edit: I see later someone posted to them anyways, and they're from Raggi's facebook.


They're public posts, otherwise I wouldn't have posted links.

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« Reply #98 on: October 11, 2019, 12:32:12 AM »
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No. Sorry if it was unclear.  I was teasing Ratman.

Next time, try quoting the person you're "teasing".
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« Reply #99 on: October 11, 2019, 12:33:24 AM »
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[Sarcasm]But they called me NAMES!  The least we can do is ensure that their careers are ruined, they have no future prospects for work in any industry, and we continue to harass their friends and loved ones with threats of death, rape, or some combination![/sarcasm]


Now that I know this is directed at me.

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« Reply #100 on: October 11, 2019, 03:53:39 AM »
I am against blacklisting anyone. It goes against the concept of a free market and a free society.

However, SJWs must be dealt with harshly. They must be made to choke on their own rules and they need to be shamed for their idiocy and hypocrisy. But blacklisting them only makes them martyrs.

What's the solution? Voting with your dollars.

If you like the political bullshit WotC, Paizo, Chaosium, Monte Cook, Green Ronin and others are shoving into our hobby, then give them your dollars. Same with cons that support SJWS. If you want more safe space / consent in gaming bullshit infused into your cons, keep attending those cons on your vacation time.

It's not about boycotting. It's about being conscious of your spending and consciously supporting one company or designer over another. Spend the same (or more) inside the hobby, but aim your dollars because each one is a vote.


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Do you think white supremacists should be blackballed from providing health care to black urban youths..?


No. Everyone should be judged for their job performance ONLY based on what they do at their job.

Humans don't like each other. At best, as a mixed society, we hope we can tolerate each other enough to work together and peacefully deal with each other. Tolerance doesn't mean everybody is kumbaya, all is love, because that's just bullshit. Tolerance is everybody keeps their prejudices to themselves and does their damn job.