James Raggi refuse to bend over backwards for the SJWs

jhkim · October 09, 2019, 04:26:50 PM

Quote from: Snowman0147;1108578Worst yet I believe ZakS is innocent. I mean Mandy's own father sided with ZakS on this he said she said shit. Not to mention the women are split up by this with one half going to Mandy and the other half is going to ZakS. A ugly situation all around.

I can't tell on this one. I did read both Mandy's statement and those who support her, as well as others who supported Zak, and it seems like both have reasonable support.

From my own online interactions with him, he seemed like a raving loon, and I wouldn't hire him if I were in the industry. But that doesn't mean I support blacklisting him.

SHARK · October 09, 2019, 04:57:38 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1108531Huh. How about a company that doesn't want any bit of social justice nonsense being interjected into their products, the person in question gets a reputation for 1. Being an asshole to customers, and 2. Using social justice nonsense to justify their unacceptable behavior?

Where do you draw the line between "blacklisting" and someone getting a rep as a jerk?

Greetings!

EXACTLY, Ratman! Jhkim seems to hold the position that these SJW freaks have some kind of "Right" to work at *Company X* and that they inherently have something worthwhile and meaningful to offer a prospective employer in the industry.

NO. They do not. They are not *equal* to a normal, well-adjusted, rational American citizen. In our hobby industry, they are individually and collectively poisonous, corrosive, and disruptive, and at the end of the day, a *liability*

In the world of business and corporate life, that means they do not hire you, and otherwise if they discover to their folly that they are stuck with somehow employing such a liability, they find ways to get rid of them. That's the bottom line, and that is how it's done, brother!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Bedrockbrendan · October 09, 2019, 06:00:49 PM

I have to agree with JHKIM here. I don't want companies having more power than they already do over those who work for them (especially when it comes to opinions they express online). Extend that to an entire industry and I think you have a big problem when the go to tool in a society is to use social media to get them blacklisted by exerting pressure. It should be wrong whether it is being done by someone on the left or on the right.

Snowman0147 · October 09, 2019, 06:10:53 PM

See I strongly disagree with BedrockBrendan and jhkim. This is nothing more than a act of self preservation and self defense. Keeping these parasites out of any form of power is the only way we are going to fix this problem. If we don't apply this solution, then the industry will collapse and we will be treated like we are the freaks & losers that people thought us to be during the years after the Satanic Panic. You do not want to go back to those years.

S'mon · October 09, 2019, 06:20:40 PM

No sane employer should hire these people (Price, Dellaforno etc); but OTOH they shouldn't be banned from publishing on drivethrurpg, were they actually capable of producing RPG content, which I rather doubt. And of course an employer dumb enough to hire them shouldn't be punished for doing so - that employer is punishing themselves quite enough!

jhkim · October 09, 2019, 06:27:17 PM

Quote from: S'mon;1108626No sane employer should hire these people (Price, Dellaforno etc); but OTOH they shouldn't be banned from publishing on drivethrurpg, were they actually capable of producing RPG content, which I rather doubt. And of course an employer dumb enough to hire them shouldn't be punished for doing so - that employer is punishing themselves quite enough!

I haven't read any of their work yet, so I have no opinion about that side. But I agree with the sentiment here.

Bedrockbrendan · October 10, 2019, 01:57:21 PM

Quote from: Snowman0147;1108617See I strongly disagree with BedrockBrendan and jhkim. This is nothing more than a act of self preservation and self defense. Keeping these parasites out of any form of power is the only way we are going to fix this problem. If we don't apply this solution, then the industry will collapse and we will be treated like we are the freaks & losers that people thought us to be during the years after the Satanic Panic. You do not want to go back to those years.

I am not interested in having either camp be able to blacklist people from the industry

Snowman0147 · October 10, 2019, 03:52:45 PM

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;1108747I am not interested in having either camp be able to blacklist people from the industry

And I am saying you will have no choice in the matter. Eventually the SJWs will blacklist you.

jhkim · October 10, 2019, 04:13:15 PM

Quote from: Snowman0147;1108759And I am saying you will have no choice in the matter. Eventually the SJWs will blacklist you.

Even if that is true -- indeed, especially if that is true -- that doesn't mean that I have to support blacklisting as a tactic.

Bedrockbrendan · October 10, 2019, 04:28:47 PM

Quote from: Snowman0147;1108759And I am saying you will have no choice in the matter. Eventually the SJWs will blacklist you.

What Jhkim said. Even if this is the case, why would I then give another group power to do so?

Ratman_tf · October 10, 2019, 04:28:53 PM

Quote from: jhkim;1108763Even if that is true -- indeed, especially if that is true -- that doesn't mean that I have to support blacklisting as a tactic.

That's the beauty of the tactic. Whether you support it or not, its happening.

Bedrockbrendan · October 10, 2019, 05:03:49 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1108765That's the beauty of the tactic. Whether you support it or not, its happening.

But the solution isn't "blacklist the blacklisters". The problem, when blacklisting occurs, is the companies in question are actually listening to people calling for it. Go to online places where people are buying into this stuff, and convince them that it isn't a good idea. I just don't think it makes any sense to say blacklisting is okay as long as the right people get blacklisted.

Ratman_tf · October 10, 2019, 05:35:24 PM

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;1108768But the solution isn't "blacklist the blacklisters". The problem, when blacklisting occurs, is the companies in question are actually listening to people calling for it. Go to online places where people are buying into this stuff, and convince them that it isn't a good idea.

I did. I got called a shitlord.

QuoteI just don't think it makes any sense to say blacklisting is okay as long as the right people get blacklisted.

I don't think blacklisting is ok.
I do think that blacklisting will be used as a tactic, no matter how I feel about it, or what I say about it.

Anyone, with a few very notable and rare exceptions, when put up against the wall, will toss their principles in the face of percieved annihilation.

If you have another solution, I'm all ears.

Bedrockbrendan · October 10, 2019, 05:46:32 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1108776I did. I got called a shitlord.

I don't think blacklisting is ok.
I do think that blacklisting will be used as a tactic, no matter how I feel about it, or what I say about it.

Anyone, with a few very notable and rare exceptions, when put up against the wall, will toss their principles in the face of percieved annihilation.

If you have another solution, I'm all ears.

I got called names too for disagreeing with people. My solution is keep trying to persuade people

deadDMwalking · October 10, 2019, 05:50:37 PM

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;1108778I got called names too for disagreeing with people. My solution is keep trying to persuade people

[Sarcasm]But they called me NAMES! The least we can do is ensure that their careers are ruined, they have no future prospects for work in any industry, and we continue to harass their friends and loved ones with threats of death, rape, or some combination![/sarcasm]