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« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2019, 11:39:09 AM »
Kind of expected it Drivethrurpg to cave. What a bunch of gutless wonders.

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« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2019, 12:00:21 PM »
It is disappointing to see drive thru respond to social media pressure like that. Unfortunately there is no real alternative to drivethru. People generally won't make something if they think Drivethru will take it down.

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« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2019, 06:16:52 PM »
I wonder if DriveThru just walked into a trap.


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Well, he finally got what he always wanted: his book got banned by DTRPG.


I don't follow Raggi much, but why do you feel he always wanted to be banned?


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On the other hand, LOL if you believed DTRPG would be "standing their ground", "believing in free speech" or "sticking it to the SJWs". White Wolf's gonna white wolf.


It's odd that OBS didn't obey the Twitter Mob immediately. AKA, why did they wait?
 
It will be interesting to see if the Twitter Mob "forgives" OBS for its "crime" or demands further "penance".

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« Reply #33 on: October 05, 2019, 07:12:33 PM »
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I don't follow Raggi much, but why do you feel he always wanted to be banned?


He just posted a couple weeks ago for Banned Books Week that he expected several LotFP titles would make their way on the list. Plus there's the whole metal thing where getting a record banned is kind of a badge of pride.

And the Twitter mob's bloodlust is never sated. They'll move on but keep it readily available for quiet weeks where they need something to rage about. Just wait till the next LotFP book drops. It could be a coloring book with adorable kittens and they'll scream bloody murder.

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« Reply #34 on: October 05, 2019, 07:30:27 PM »
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I wonder if DriveThru just walked into a trap.




I don't follow Raggi much, but why do you feel he always wanted to be banned?




It's odd that OBS didn't obey the Twitter Mob immediately. AKA, why did they wait?
 
It will be interesting to see if the Twitter Mob "forgives" OBS for its "crime" or demands further "penance".


I don't know about the Twitter Mob (not on Twitter), but the TBP Mob is still pissed that LotFP wasn't completely banned. No real surprise there.

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« Reply #35 on: October 05, 2019, 08:13:55 PM »
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It's odd that OBS didn't obey the Twitter Mob immediately. AKA, why did they wait?
 
It will be interesting to see if the Twitter Mob "forgives" OBS for its "crime" or demands further "penance".

I think there was probably a lot of internal disagreement on this one

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« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2019, 08:30:06 PM »
At least one of the people on that twitter thread was asking for them to block all purchasers of said book from being able to leave reviews because they'd proven themselves to be horrible beings for buying said book.

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« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2019, 09:36:00 PM »
I look forward to the day when the Pendulum swings the other way again and all of these folks will be remembered as the no fun gatekeepers who wanted to control what others could do in their free time.
1. Some of you culture warriors are so committed to the bit you'll throw out any nuance or common sense in fear it's 'giving in' to the other side.

2. I'm a married homeowner with a career and a child. I won life. You can't insult me.

3. I work in a Prison, your tough guy act is boring.

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« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2019, 10:38:41 PM »
Late to the party.  So where can I get this banned book now?

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« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2019, 11:25:56 PM »
The print copy (with original title and essay) should still be available from Noble Knight. No word on if the PDF will be up for sale on LotFP's site. From the looks of his Facebook feed, Raggi's taking a timeout from the internet for a bit.

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« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2019, 03:08:53 AM »
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I don't follow Raggi much, but why do you feel he always wanted to be banned?
He's been trying to shock the normies ever since he started publishing, and consciously tried to provoke a reaction - from republishing Carcosa, to publishing a porn star, right to cannibal oompa-loompas and menstrual magick. All the things that would most definitely bother a suburban mom. For most of LotFP's career, this was empty grandstanding, since none of the conservative church ladies and concerned preachers gave a damn about RPGs anymore, and most of them have been, well, dead since the 1990s. Left or right, the common stance in gaming was anti-censorship, and gamers liked their shock content. He was fighting against windmills, or an enemy that has died peacefully of old age.

But it turns out things did change, and forces inside (and outside) gaming now do want to censor stuff and they do want to destroy creators who don't conform to their preferred agenda. The church ladies are back, except now they have blue hair and preferred pronouns. And the game-changer is, they are starting to have the kind of institutional clout where they can succeed on a wider industry basis. Getting someone banned from specific forums, or running a whisper campaign is old news - the ability to deplatform someone is new. So, James Edward Raggi IV, pubisher of fondly received shock merchandise that did not really shock anyone of note, suddenly found himself in the middle of a real, credible threat to free expression. He gets to be the shining knight of free speech he has always wanted to be. If I were him, I would be flattered, and a bit proud of myself.

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It's odd that OBS didn't obey the Twitter Mob immediately. AKA, why did they wait?
Yeah, that's an interesting part. Like BedrockBrendan, I think DTRPG, probably Wieck, may have a few old-school liberals left, who might have principles and sympathise with James' situation (if not this specific product - frankly, I also think it is a shitty idea). That these people took time to succumb to peer pressure shows that the agreement was not unanimous or easily won, but also that the pressure of nagging and social blackmail - the preferred method of church ladies of all ages - is effective and dangerous.
 
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It will be interesting to see if the Twitter Mob "forgives" OBS for its "crime" or demands further "penance".
They don't. It is only a matter of time before they try to widen the breach. I assume Pundit, as one of the notable "bad actors", will be targeted fairly soon, probably as an "alt-right" bogeyman. Further efforts to stigmatise, silence and drive out game creators has always been on the table. Before he was #metooed, Zaximillian Wokespierre had been advocating driving conservatives out of the hobby. Said so on Google+ (I may even have the screenshot if I look hard enough in my archives). It is not a fringe view anymore.
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« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2019, 04:59:18 AM »
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So, James Edward Raggi IV, pubisher of fondly received shock merchandise that did not really shock anyone of note, suddenly found himself in the middle of a real, credible threat to free expression. He gets to be the shining knight of free speech he has always wanted to be. If I were him, I would be flattered, and a bit proud of myself.


What do you think Raggi's next move will be? Double down on free speech or back off to protect his sales?


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Before he was #metooed, Zaximillian Wokespierre had been advocating driving conservatives out of the hobby. Said so on Google+ (I may even have the screenshot if I look hard enough in my archives). It is not a fringe view anymore.


And "conservative" means anyone to the right of Mao.

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« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2019, 12:16:23 PM »
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This is the last time I'll say it Opaopajr, I don't appreciate you lampooning me all over the place! :p


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« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2019, 02:09:42 PM »
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What do you think Raggi's next move will be? Double down on free speech or back off to protect his sales?
I think James has actual principles where free expression is concerned, and his heart is in the right place here. I expect him to do the right thing.
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« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2019, 02:43:55 PM »
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I think James has actual principles where free expression is concerned, and his heart is in the right place here. I expect him to do the right thing.

Of course his heart is in the right place, otherwise he'd be dead.