It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?

[Chris24601]

Clarence 'Uncle' Thomas has said that contraception and marriage rights are the next targets.

And you claim the Right is racist... because we accept that people can hold positions independent of their ethnic background. Meanwhile the Left isn't racist because it throws ethnic slurs at anyone who refuses to act in accord with their racial stereotypes... Riiiiiiiiggggght.

Frankly, those and a whole bunch of other rulings SHOULD be sent back to the states for each to make their own decision (including deciding to leave it to local ordinances). If the Constitution doesn't directly say it, then it is by definition judicial overreach. Almost invariably the federal government takes decision-making power out of the hands of local and state authorities and places it in the hands of an unelected bureaucracy that costs ten times as much as it did with all the state/local levels combined and yet delivers maybe 10% of the results... but lots of bureaucrats get cushy lifetime jobs so... winning if you're a government leech.

And that's ALL the abortion decision did; devolved the power back to the level that constitutionally is supposed to have it. Do you really think in 2020s America there's a single state that would pass laws about interacial marriage?

Well, maybe the Democrats would; they passed virtually all the anti-miscegenation laws in the United States previously and their current policies demanding "minorities need their separate spaces" seems far likely to be headed for forced division along racial lines
than Red States where Martin Luthor King Jr's (a Republican; i.e. right wing) dream of a colorblind society holds sway. (Its also funny how all that unjust cop on black violence the Left decries only seems to happen in places where the Left is firmly in control... it's almost like Leftist dogma brings out racism in people).

[Battlemaster]

Yeah, a rightard calling me a racist....

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[oggsmash]

My ideal is people able to choose for themselves as individuals how they want to live - not local government telling them how they are supposed to live. I feel that stronger local rule will lead to more government intervention telling people how to live.

  You also raised hell over the "dont say gay bill".  I suspect you prefer to live where there would never be a bill like that, I prefer to live where that is the law of the land.  You live where a 10 round magazine limit is the law, I would NEVER tolerate living where a law like that was in effect.  You are going to feel some kind of way if the state decides abortions....I am just fine with states deciding it.  You are talking about current status, I am talking about a much more idealized scenario, I would also suggest local/smaller communities are MUCH more polarized than a state may indicate.    I would agree about being left alone and being told how to live....but that is wishful thinking, and I just prefer people I see eye to eye with decide on the rules.

Sure, we have our differences, but to my mind they seem smaller than many of the differences that I've grown up with. When I was a kid, I would regularly encounter people who were openly racist - to the point of being concerned about black people in the same swimming pool, or regarding me as a moral wrong since my parents were of different races. Those views are much rarer now.

I'm used to living with intolerable laws, because I've opposed a lot of the laws that I've grown up with. I oppose civil asset forfeiture, as well as monetary fines (which mean the rich can break the law freely), and plea bargaining. I've been opposed to the war on drugs, and most of U.S. foreign wars. I wouldn't say that I tolerate those, but I'm not going to move out of the U.S. or call for secession because of my disagreement. I just have advocated for changing them to something I consider more just.

Historically, people of very incompatible viewpoints have lived in the U.S. In the past, our ethnic divides have been much more stark, like the divide between blacks and whites in the 1920s, or Navajo and settlers, etc.

I don't know you well enough to see whether we could get along in a community, but we wouldn't have to be  friends in order to live in the same country as each other. We could hate each other's guts - we just can't, say, burst into violence against each other. You say that gun rights and transgender issues are your two touch points. I've been close friends with people who are gun enthusiasts, even though I'm not. My girlfriend's mother was murdered by a gun-wielding domestic abuser, so in particular, I support the ban on convicted abusers having guns - but I think magazine limits are dumb. On the other hand, my housemate and their kid are both transgender, as is my sister's kid. Would you do anything if they were living in the same community, like going to school with your daughter?

  I am not a gun enthusiast.  I just know if the government wants to take a gun, the real reason is always to the same end goal, complete disarmament.  Domestic abusers already can not buy guns (try filling out a back ground check some time).  I would NOT tolerate a trans kid (AKA a boy) using the same bathroom facilities or competing in sports with my daughter.  Would NOT tolerate.

  I consider trans people to be insane.  Period.  I think people who transition  their children are insane child abusers..  How much insane child abuse should anyone tolerate?   These are no compromise positions, especially if you want to start pushing federal laws to force acceptance and celebration from everyone.  There is a whole lot more common ground between black and white people than there are people preaching trans folk are all just fine and kids should transition and people who see it as out right child abuse, borderline satanic child abuse.

[Pat]

Yeah, a rightard calling me a racist....

The newest one of those is 10 years old, and none of those people post here.

You posted racist shit yesterday.

[oggsmash]

Yeah, a rightard calling me a racist....

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http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/POLITICS/09/17/obama.witchdoctor.teaparty/art.obama.protest.sign.cnn.jpg

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  You quite literally called Thomas an ethnic slur and then proclaim other people racist.  You might want to really look at some of the things you are saying.

[Battlemaster]

He is what blacks call an uncle Tom, period.

[oggsmash]

He is what blacks call an uncle Tom, period.

  Which is in fact a racist slur.  Period. 

[jeff37923]

So Battlemaster is not just a groomer, but also a racist. How stereotypically Leftist of him.....

[DocJones]

He is what blacks call an uncle Tom, period.

Have you read Uncle Tom's Cabin?

[Ghostmaker]

He is what blacks call an uncle Tom, period.

Have you read Uncle Tom's Cabin?

Keep in mind the people who use that as a slur typically have NOT read the book.

[Shasarak]

Clarence 'Uncle' Thomas has said that contraception and marriage rights are the next targets.

One of us! One of us!

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Yes, Shasarak! It would be delicious to watch the SCOTUS go down their list of all the Leftist sacred cows and target them. Destroy them utterly. Just break them the fuck down, all the way to the roots.

Then enjoy the popcorn as the cock-sucking Liberals REEEE and sob like the whining, shrieking pussies that they are.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Ratman_tf]

He is what blacks call an uncle Tom, period.

All the racists are coming out of the woodwork over Clarence Thomas!



Must feel good to get that white hood out of the closet and wear it in public finally. 

[jeff37923]

He is what blacks call an uncle Tom, period.

All the racists are coming out of the woodwork over Clarence Thomas!



Must feel good to get that white hood out of the closet and wear it in public finally. 

It is SO Precious that she is sourcing her authority to be a racist from being a trans woman.....It's like someone being a bigot against trans saying that it is OK because they are either male or female....

[KindaMeh]

He is what blacks call an uncle Tom, period.

All the racists are coming out of the woodwork over Clarence Thomas!



Must feel good to get that white hood out of the closet and wear it in public finally. 

It is SO Precious that she is sourcing her authority to be a racist from being a trans woman.....It's like someone being a bigot against trans saying that it is OK because they are either male or female....

What, you mean being legally and institutionally discriminated against as a white person DOESN'T mean I can be a sexist?! *GASP*

Also, a bit more seriously, it disturbs me how countering gender essentialism or pointing out basic biological, physiological, and psychological facts  or even just statistics and points that go against their narrative is typically seen as bigotry by the trans community.