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Author Topic: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?  (Read 23082 times)

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #660 on: May 09, 2022, 09:16:10 AM »
Alright, you crosseyed goat fuckers.

I think "responsibility" is overrated in this situation. People are stupid, and they're doubly stupid about birth control. You get drunk and hot and heavy, and forget your rubber one night and bam. Baby jail.
Conservatives are stupid. They preach about responsibility, but when it's their teen who done (literally) screwed up, and that abortion starts looking like an *unfortunate but necessary exception* Buncha side talking jackasses there.

Meanwhile we regress into hot lysol abortions and dead women on the deck because the program of shame doesn't work to keep their legs closed, but does work to put money in the pockets of back-alley abortionists. That's how you dumbasses got Roe v Wade in the first place.

I think the general consensus is a decent one. The mistake the activist left made was in trying to turn abortion into some kind of women's rights issue. Now, they have to go all the way, and cheer about it. But they built their prescedent on quicksand and now instead of proposing a better law, they just harass judges because they're mad.

And I'm darkly amused at all the pro-lifers who are happy to let this fall back into states rights, knowing full well that some states will make abortion even more accessible. I guess those dead babies are a price they're willing to pay...

You completely don't get it.

Waking up the next morning after having had unprotected sex? Personal responsibility is you get your ass to the pharmacy and pick up the day after pill, even if your partner is a worthless sack of shit.  You *don't* wait until 2nd trimester because laziness or hoping the baby-daddy is gonna be financially supporting you for the rest of your life.  Proper parenting means you teach your teenagers to not have unprotected sex instead of squirting out pups by the dozen in a never-ending cycle of EBT and WIC payments and/or trailer parks full of 35 year old meth head grandparents.

Women wanted equal rights - it's time for them to have equal responsibility, even as the feminization and infantilization of some "men" results in fewer personally responsible males. 

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #661 on: May 09, 2022, 10:07:43 AM »
Alright, you crosseyed goat fuckers.

I think "responsibility" is overrated in this situation. People are stupid, and they're doubly stupid about birth control. You get drunk and hot and heavy, and forget your rubber one night and bam. Baby jail.
Conservatives are stupid. They preach about responsibility, but when it's their teen who done (literally) screwed up, and that abortion starts looking like an *unfortunate but necessary exception* Buncha side talking jackasses there.

Meanwhile we regress into hot lysol abortions and dead women on the deck because the program of shame doesn't work to keep their legs closed, but does work to put money in the pockets of back-alley abortionists. That's how you dumbasses got Roe v Wade in the first place.

I think the general consensus is a decent one. The mistake the activist left made was in trying to turn abortion into some kind of women's rights issue. Now, they have to go all the way, and cheer about it. But they built their prescedent on quicksand and now instead of proposing a better law, they just harass judges because they're mad.

And I'm darkly amused at all the pro-lifers who are happy to let this fall back into states rights, knowing full well that some states will make abortion even more accessible. I guess those dead babies are a price they're willing to pay...

  The only way some states can make it MORE accessible is to have it done after birth.  So I am willing to accept the people living there want that sort of thing.  I probably am "pro life", but I am also all for idiots removing their gene seed from the earth.  So, if people want to kill their baby, so be it, just do not subsidize it with money I put into the pool (meaning no federal subsidizing and no state funds in my state), if Bill Gates wants to fund all the subsidized abortions, he can knock himself out.  If New York wants to make abortions free, so be it.  I do not plan on living in NY state, and if the people who live down the road from me want to go to NY and get a free abortion, so be it.  I think people who kill their own kids are likely doing what is best long term, as such a person is going to be shit as a parent, and likely have a kid that is a problem.  I suppose I could declare Jihad on baby killers, but what would be the point?  If the people I do not get along with anyway decide to take their seed out of the matrix, better for me down the road.

   More to the point, there is a way the country is supposed to run.  Judicial activism is NOT it.  If we are to be a democratic republic and have rule of law, enact the laws as the rules say, not proclaiming beloved democracy and then engage in lawfare every time democracy gives a result one does not want.
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« Reply #662 on: May 09, 2022, 10:17:27 AM »
I think "responsibility" is overrated in this situation. People are stupid, and they're doubly stupid about birth control. You get drunk and hot and heavy, and forget your rubber one night and bam. Baby jail.

You completely don't get it.

Waking up the next morning after having had unprotected sex? Personal responsibility is you get your ass to the pharmacy and pick up the day after pill, even if your partner is a worthless sack of shit. You *don't* wait until 2nd trimester because laziness or hoping the baby-daddy is gonna be financially supporting you for the rest of your life.  Proper parenting means you teach your teenagers to not have unprotected sex instead of squirting out pups by the dozen in a never-ending cycle of EBT and WIC payments and/or trailer parks full of 35 year old meth head grandparents.

Just as common as unprotected sex is using birth control (either preventative or the morning after pill) but then finding out 3-4 weeks later that one is pregnant anyway because there are significant failure rates. And you're specifying 2nd trimester when the most common case of abortion is within the first 8 weeks, not in second trimester after 14 weeks.

Personally, I have far more judgement about people who are irresponsible and not prepared to have a child, but have a child anyway and raises them in a shitty environment -- as opposed to someone who accidentally gets pregnant and has an abortion.

All of this comes down to whether one says that abortion is an inherent crime - which comes down to whether one thinks a zygote is a person. I think being a person requires having thoughts and feelings, so I do not think that a zygote is a person.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #663 on: May 09, 2022, 10:21:03 AM »
I think "responsibility" is overrated in this situation. People are stupid, and they're doubly stupid about birth control. You get drunk and hot and heavy, and forget your rubber one night and bam. Baby jail.

You completely don't get it.

Waking up the next morning after having had unprotected sex? Personal responsibility is you get your ass to the pharmacy and pick up the day after pill, even if your partner is a worthless sack of shit. You *don't* wait until 2nd trimester because laziness or hoping the baby-daddy is gonna be financially supporting you for the rest of your life.  Proper parenting means you teach your teenagers to not have unprotected sex instead of squirting out pups by the dozen in a never-ending cycle of EBT and WIC payments and/or trailer parks full of 35 year old meth head grandparents.

Just as common as unprotected sex is using birth control (either preventative or the morning after pill) but then finding out 3-4 weeks later that one is pregnant anyway because there are significant failure rates. And you're specifying 2nd trimester when the most common case of abortion is within the first 8 weeks, not in second trimester after 14 weeks.

Personally, I have far more judgement about people who are irresponsible and not prepared to have a child, but have a child anyway and raises them in a shitty environment -- as opposed to someone who accidentally gets pregnant and has an abortion.

All of this comes down to whether one says that abortion is an inherent crime - which comes down to whether one thinks a zygote is a person. I think being a person requires having thoughts and feelings, so I do not think that a zygote is a person.

  Those people, who do the one or the other, are IME the same people.  One just cans the project very early, and it is the main reason I have no problem with people killing their own kid.  I just prefer to be "out of the loop", meaning no public funds subsidizing it.

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« Reply #664 on: May 09, 2022, 04:47:57 PM »
  I would like to see more support for medically assisted suicide as well.  That way the folks who think life has gotten tough can just go check out, because if raising a kid is too tough and justifies abortion I think we can make a case a person should be allowed to get some help for their self deletion.   I have a feeling Bill Gates and those like him would L O V E that sort of thing and have billions to help people express their rights.

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« Reply #665 on: May 09, 2022, 06:05:48 PM »
Greetings!

Matt Walsh on his program discusses abortion, pro-abortion terrorists, and also recent NPR articles. Walsh absolutely destroys NPR. Very funny!

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« Reply #666 on: May 09, 2022, 06:17:31 PM »
Greetings!

Steve Hilton discusses a broad range of political issues involved with the corrupt, Liberal regime of Biden.

Brilliant, sharp, and insightful.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #667 on: May 09, 2022, 06:27:22 PM »
Alright, you crosseyed goat fuckers.

I think "responsibility" is overrated in this situation. People are stupid, and they're doubly stupid about birth control. You get drunk and hot and heavy, and forget your rubber one night and bam. Baby jail.
Conservatives are stupid. They preach about responsibility, but when it's their teen who done (literally) screwed up, and that abortion starts looking like an *unfortunate but necessary exception* Buncha side talking jackasses there.

Meanwhile we regress into hot lysol abortions and dead women on the deck because the program of shame doesn't work to keep their legs closed, but does work to put money in the pockets of back-alley abortionists. That's how you dumbasses got Roe v Wade in the first place.

I think the general consensus is a decent one. The mistake the activist left made was in trying to turn abortion into some kind of women's rights issue. Now, they have to go all the way, and cheer about it. But they built their prescedent on quicksand and now instead of proposing a better law, they just harass judges because they're mad.

And I'm darkly amused at all the pro-lifers who are happy to let this fall back into states rights, knowing full well that some states will make abortion even more accessible. I guess those dead babies are a price they're willing to pay...

You completely don't get it.

Waking up the next morning after having had unprotected sex? Personal responsibility is you get your ass to the pharmacy and pick up the day after pill, even if your partner is a worthless sack of shit.  You *don't* wait until 2nd trimester because laziness or hoping the baby-daddy is gonna be financially supporting you for the rest of your life.  Proper parenting means you teach your teenagers to not have unprotected sex instead of squirting out pups by the dozen in a never-ending cycle of EBT and WIC payments and/or trailer parks full of 35 year old meth head grandparents.

Women wanted equal rights - it's time for them to have equal responsibility, even as the feminization and infantilization of some "men" results in fewer personally responsible males.

1) Again, birth control fails sometimes. It's often not "the day after". It's often not "unprotected sex" but is "protected sex but that failed." ANY calculation of failure numbers, from any source, even if you use both a condom and The Pill, will net you a LOT of unwanted pregnancies every year. No spin will make that number small. If people are sexually active, and use protection, a meaningful number each year end up with an unwanted pregnancy. 
2) The abortion bans are sometimes in the first trimester bans. Last time I counted it was 13 states trying to ban it during the first trimester. This topic blew well past "waiting until the second trimester" issues.


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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #668 on: May 10, 2022, 12:14:15 AM »
Personally, I have far more judgement about people who are irresponsible and not prepared to have a child, but have a child anyway and raises them in a shitty environment -- as opposed to someone who accidentally gets pregnant and has an abortion.

All of this comes down to whether one says that abortion is an inherent crime - which comes down to whether one thinks a zygote is a person. I think being a person requires having thoughts and feelings, so I do not think that a zygote is a person.

  Those people, who do the one or the other, are IME the same people.  One just cans the project very early, and it is the main reason I have no problem with people killing their own kid.  I just prefer to be "out of the loop", meaning no public funds subsidizing it.

As the type of people who get abortions - I think there is overlap with mothers raising kids in shitty environments, but not the same. Basically all classes of people get abortions. I was just talking with my mother, who started working as a medical doctor before Roe v. Wade. She said all the OB/GYNs and pediatricians knew that rich girls and women would regularly get abortions that were both safe and discrete. It wasn't obvious because they privately paid doctors to keep it quiet. Poor girls and women had unsafe abortions, which were obvious when they were taken to the ER.

oggsmash, your language sounds mocking such that I'm not sure what your real position is. Do you genuinely believe that someone killing a zygote is a moral wrong of "killing their own kid"? If someone genuinely believed that an act is killing children, then I can't picture them having no problem with it. For me, the reason I don't have a problem with abortion or in-vitro fertilization or morning-after pills is that I don't think that they are killing kids. They are preventing kids from being created.

I think as a society, we should aim to have fewer unwanted and/or poorly-raised children. That's why I think all of sex education, preventative contraception, morning-after pills, and abortion should be supported by the public. I think forcing unwilling mothers to raise unwanted kids will end up costing our society far more than it saves.

I have sympathy for people who genuinely believe that a zygote is really a person - like those with the religious belief that the soul enters into the zygote at fertilization. That is a genuine argument, and I think it's a debate that we should have.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #669 on: May 10, 2022, 12:31:00 AM »
Alright, you crosseyed goat fuckers.

I think "responsibility" is overrated in this situation. People are stupid, and they're doubly stupid about birth control. You get drunk and hot and heavy, and forget your rubber one night and bam. Baby jail.
Conservatives are stupid. They preach about responsibility, but when it's their teen who done (literally) screwed up, and that abortion starts looking like an *unfortunate but necessary exception* Buncha side talking jackasses there.

Meanwhile we regress into hot lysol abortions and dead women on the deck because the program of shame doesn't work to keep their legs closed, but does work to put money in the pockets of back-alley abortionists. That's how you dumbasses got Roe v Wade in the first place.

I think the general consensus is a decent one. The mistake the activist left made was in trying to turn abortion into some kind of women's rights issue. Now, they have to go all the way, and cheer about it. But they built their prescedent on quicksand and now instead of proposing a better law, they just harass judges because they're mad.

And I'm darkly amused at all the pro-lifers who are happy to let this fall back into states rights, knowing full well that some states will make abortion even more accessible. I guess those dead babies are a price they're willing to pay...

You completely don't get it.

Waking up the next morning after having had unprotected sex? Personal responsibility is you get your ass to the pharmacy and pick up the day after pill,

We've had posters here and conservative pundits say that life begins at conception. Morning after pill would be a big no-no.
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #670 on: May 10, 2022, 12:40:38 AM »
Alright, you crosseyed goat fuckers.

I think "responsibility" is overrated in this situation. People are stupid, and they're doubly stupid about birth control. You get drunk and hot and heavy, and forget your rubber one night and bam. Baby jail.
Conservatives are stupid. They preach about responsibility, but when it's their teen who done (literally) screwed up, and that abortion starts looking like an *unfortunate but necessary exception* Buncha side talking jackasses there.

Meanwhile we regress into hot lysol abortions and dead women on the deck because the program of shame doesn't work to keep their legs closed, but does work to put money in the pockets of back-alley abortionists. That's how you dumbasses got Roe v Wade in the first place.

I think the general consensus is a decent one. The mistake the activist left made was in trying to turn abortion into some kind of women's rights issue. Now, they have to go all the way, and cheer about it. But they built their prescedent on quicksand and now instead of proposing a better law, they just harass judges because they're mad.

And I'm darkly amused at all the pro-lifers who are happy to let this fall back into states rights, knowing full well that some states will make abortion even more accessible. I guess those dead babies are a price they're willing to pay...

You completely don't get it.

Waking up the next morning after having had unprotected sex? Personal responsibility is you get your ass to the pharmacy and pick up the day after pill,

We've had posters here and conservative pundits say that life begins at conception. Morning after pill would be a big no-no.

The Morning after pill is not an abortive tablet.  The way it works is by stopping conception.

But heh, I am not the science talking guy.
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #671 on: May 10, 2022, 12:49:11 AM »
Alright, you crosseyed goat fuckers.

I think "responsibility" is overrated in this situation. People are stupid, and they're doubly stupid about birth control. You get drunk and hot and heavy, and forget your rubber one night and bam. Baby jail.
Conservatives are stupid. They preach about responsibility, but when it's their teen who done (literally) screwed up, and that abortion starts looking like an *unfortunate but necessary exception* Buncha side talking jackasses there.

Meanwhile we regress into hot lysol abortions and dead women on the deck because the program of shame doesn't work to keep their legs closed, but does work to put money in the pockets of back-alley abortionists. That's how you dumbasses got Roe v Wade in the first place.

I think the general consensus is a decent one. The mistake the activist left made was in trying to turn abortion into some kind of women's rights issue. Now, they have to go all the way, and cheer about it. But they built their prescedent on quicksand and now instead of proposing a better law, they just harass judges because they're mad.

And I'm darkly amused at all the pro-lifers who are happy to let this fall back into states rights, knowing full well that some states will make abortion even more accessible. I guess those dead babies are a price they're willing to pay...

You completely don't get it.

Waking up the next morning after having had unprotected sex? Personal responsibility is you get your ass to the pharmacy and pick up the day after pill,

We've had posters here and conservative pundits say that life begins at conception. Morning after pill would be a big no-no.

The Morning after pill is not an abortive tablet.  The way it works is by stopping conception.

But heh, I am not the science talking guy.

I didn't know. I assumed it was an abortifacient since the brou-ha-ha over Hobby Lobby not wanting to cover it in their health plan.

I wonder what the general "pro-life" opinion on morning after pills is regarding if they are acceptable as a contraceptive, or do they consider it a kind of abortion.
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« Reply #672 on: May 10, 2022, 12:59:52 AM »
I didn't know. I assumed it was an abortifacient since the brou-ha-ha over Hobby Lobby not wanting to cover it in their health plan.

Nah, the abortive one is the horse ulcer treatment being advertised over on Twitter.

Its funny how the narrative on horse medicine changes so quickly.

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I wonder what the general "pro-life" opinion on morning after pills is regarding if they are acceptable as a contraceptive, or do they consider it a kind of abortion.

I guess it depends on how hard core they are on pre marital sex.

I have never heard anyone going hard at condoms.
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« Reply #673 on: May 10, 2022, 06:41:02 AM »
Personally, I have far more judgement about people who are irresponsible and not prepared to have a child, but have a child anyway and raises them in a shitty environment -- as opposed to someone who accidentally gets pregnant and has an abortion.

All of this comes down to whether one says that abortion is an inherent crime - which comes down to whether one thinks a zygote is a person. I think being a person requires having thoughts and feelings, so I do not think that a zygote is a person.

  Those people, who do the one or the other, are IME the same people.  One just cans the project very early, and it is the main reason I have no problem with people killing their own kid.  I just prefer to be "out of the loop", meaning no public funds subsidizing it.

As the type of people who get abortions - I think there is overlap with mothers raising kids in shitty environments, but not the same. Basically all classes of people get abortions. I was just talking with my mother, who started working as a medical doctor before Roe v. Wade. She said all the OB/GYNs and pediatricians knew that rich girls and women would regularly get abortions that were both safe and discrete. It wasn't obvious because they privately paid doctors to keep it quiet. Poor girls and women had unsafe abortions, which were obvious when they were taken to the ER.

oggsmash, your language sounds mocking such that I'm not sure what your real position is. Do you genuinely believe that someone killing a zygote is a moral wrong of "killing their own kid"? If someone genuinely believed that an act is killing children, then I can't picture them having no problem with it. For me, the reason I don't have a problem with abortion or in-vitro fertilization or morning-after pills is that I don't think that they are killing kids. They are preventing kids from being created.

I think as a society, we should aim to have fewer unwanted and/or poorly-raised children. That's why I think all of sex education, preventative contraception, morning-after pills, and abortion should be supported by the public. I think forcing unwilling mothers to raise unwanted kids will end up costing our society far more than it saves.

I have sympathy for people who genuinely believe that a zygote is really a person - like those with the religious belief that the soul enters into the zygote at fertilization. That is a genuine argument, and I think it's a debate that we should have.

  I think some people want to put perfume on a turd until they feel it is OK to call it something else.  I am curious as to when the soul pops in there though.  Since the zygote WILL almost certainly become a person without outside interference I think you are splitting hairs to align with your conscience.  I am just calling the thing what it is, and I do not have an issue with people who are unfit to reproduce responsibly taking care of a societal problem super early.    Your problem, is you want to call the thing you are doing something other than what it is.  If the case were all abortions were extremely early, well maybe your conscience could rest.  But you, and I know full well MANY abortions happen fairly (or extremely) late and in several states can be attained "legally" with doctor shopping to get those all so nebulous "mental health of the mother" threats down on paper. 

   Though I have no issue with unwilling mothers killing off their unwanted kids, there is the one thing there that sticks out.  A long shot for sure, but we do hear those inspiring stories of the unwanted kid who gets adopted and becomes a stand out citizen...we even hear about the kids who had that unwilling parent raise them, and often adapting to the situation and rising to the occasion and producing a wonderful member of society.  We even hear about the exceptions where the kid is raised in what is pretty much a terrible home, grows up and goes on to achieve great things anyway.  Now these are all of course exceptions and testaments to the wonders of human ability to adapt and overcome bad situations, being exceptions they are of course statistical anomalies, and I normally prefer to go with the odds.  So that is why I am fine with your position to terminate a life (does that sound better than killing babies?  maybe we can just say terminate a pregnancy, or lets just call it free to choose, that sure sounds a whole lot better) and agree with it.  Odds are the kid is going to be unproductive at best, and a terror at worst.  I do sometimes find myself thinking of that underdog in all of us though, and wonder how many great people got exterminated in our Nation/society.   

   I have no interest in debating when the soul starts being a thing in a human, because I think it is philosophy and not provable as a scientific metric.  Besides if we knew for sure the soul was there at say...20 weeks, and it was proven as some sort of hard science...what happens to the conscience of all the good people who have supported all these abortions at almost any term for the "safety of the mother" that including "mental health" as well of course?  They all then know they are killing babies all this time.  I think it might be best you keep whatever perfume you like and let me go on thinking in the terms I do, which in this case are pretty black and white.

   

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« Reply #674 on: May 10, 2022, 06:50:01 AM »
Alright, you crosseyed goat fuckers.

I think "responsibility" is overrated in this situation. People are stupid, and they're doubly stupid about birth control. You get drunk and hot and heavy, and forget your rubber one night and bam. Baby jail.
Conservatives are stupid. They preach about responsibility, but when it's their teen who done (literally) screwed up, and that abortion starts looking like an *unfortunate but necessary exception* Buncha side talking jackasses there.

Meanwhile we regress into hot lysol abortions and dead women on the deck because the program of shame doesn't work to keep their legs closed, but does work to put money in the pockets of back-alley abortionists. That's how you dumbasses got Roe v Wade in the first place.

I think the general consensus is a decent one. The mistake the activist left made was in trying to turn abortion into some kind of women's rights issue. Now, they have to go all the way, and cheer about it. But they built their prescedent on quicksand and now instead of proposing a better law, they just harass judges because they're mad.

And I'm darkly amused at all the pro-lifers who are happy to let this fall back into states rights, knowing full well that some states will make abortion even more accessible. I guess those dead babies are a price they're willing to pay...

You completely don't get it.

Waking up the next morning after having had unprotected sex? Personal responsibility is you get your ass to the pharmacy and pick up the day after pill,

We've had posters here and conservative pundits say that life begins at conception. Morning after pill would be a big no-no.

The Morning after pill is not an abortive tablet.  The way it works is by stopping conception.

But heh, I am not the science talking guy.

I didn't know. I assumed it was an abortifacient since the brou-ha-ha over Hobby Lobby not wanting to cover it in their health plan.

I wonder what the general "pro-life" opinion on morning after pills is regarding if they are acceptable as a contraceptive, or do they consider it a kind of abortion.

  I am not really pro life, I do consider abortion killing a kid, so I am maybe in the middle of those.  I think it is fine and far preferred to those extremely late abortions for "mental health of the mother".   I am also fine with Hobby Lobby being against covering it for employees, if you can not scrape up 20 or so bucks to take care of the juice some rando shot into you the night before, your biggest problems are not Hobby Lobby policies.