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Author Topic: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?  (Read 60688 times)

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #510 on: May 04, 2022, 01:02:53 AM »
That's exactly what they zzzzzz ominous rumblings

HEY HEY, HO HO, ROE V. WADE HAS GOT TO GO!

This has zero to do with the topic but every time I see your handle I think of The Thing from Fantastic Four, who grew up on Yancy Street in the Bronx, and who often talked about the Yancy Street Gang in the comics.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #511 on: May 04, 2022, 01:37:30 AM »
The Republicans just became the dog who caught the car.

Personally, I'm shocked the SCOTUS even went there. They could easily have just let a 50 year old ruling be.


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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #512 on: May 04, 2022, 07:53:03 AM »
  Well, people are shitting their pants over what is an opinion draft.   It is not as if the SCOTUS was about to rule on a case.  I think it is hilarious lefties are losing their minds to find out one of the most conservative justices is against making laws from the bench.  I suspect it is just an attempt to prevent the midterms from being such a bloodbath.   As for how much people in red areas are against abortion, assuming they are going to talk about this in day to day conversation is IMO folly.  after 50 years of CONSTANT msm and hollywood propaganda about the wonders of killing a baby I think you might get a lot of trump like answers about how they tell you in public they can not stand the guy....then they go in private and vote for him.


   For me, its a non issue.  If someone wants to kill their baby,  it is on them.  Just do not subsidize it federally or with any other tax money and I have no involvement.  If it gets overturned (the ruling), it should.  I suspect most states would still make laws allowing abortion as it is at this point a check point of "Americana" as it has been normalized for a looong time, so the people who want them will still get them.  It just wont stand on terrible legal precedence anymore, which is my only concern with it.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #513 on: May 04, 2022, 08:01:50 AM »
  Well, people are shitting their pants over what is an opinion draft.   It is not as if the SCOTUS was about to rule on a case.  I think it is hilarious lefties are losing their minds to find out one of the most conservative justices is against making laws from the bench.  I suspect it is just an attempt to prevent the midterms from being such a bloodbath.   As for how much people in red areas are against abortion, assuming they are going to talk about this in day to day conversation is IMO folly.  after 50 years of CONSTANT msm and hollywood propaganda about the wonders of killing a baby I think you might get a lot of trump like answers about how they tell you in public they can not stand the guy....then they go in private and vote for him.


   For me, its a non issue.  If someone wants to kill their baby,  it is on them.  Just do not subsidize it federally or with any other tax money and I have no involvement.  If it gets overturned (the ruling), it should.  I suspect most states would still make laws allowing abortion as it is at this point a check point of "Americana" as it has been normalized for a looong time, so the people who want them will still get them.  It just wont stand on terrible legal precedence anymore, which is my only concern with it.
Well, actually, they are about to rule on a Mississippi law that bars abortions after something like 15 weeks. OK, the ruling's not due for a month or two, but it is coming.

What's rather funny has been the histrionics. Lots of 'Handmaid's Tale' references (READ ANOTHER BOOK). Completely ignoring how badly the Covid mandates fucked 'medical privacy' and 'my body, my choice'. Bizarre hallucinatory scenarios about forced pregnancy that make me think of disturbing fetish fantasies.

And it was all avoidable. They had fifty years to lock this in with legislation, and instead opted to fetishize it with 'shout your abortion' and other such creepiness. And then they're surprised when things start to backfire.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #514 on: May 04, 2022, 08:17:50 AM »
  Well, people are shitting their pants over what is an opinion draft.   It is not as if the SCOTUS was about to rule on a case.  I think it is hilarious lefties are losing their minds to find out one of the most conservative justices is against making laws from the bench.  I suspect it is just an attempt to prevent the midterms from being such a bloodbath.   As for how much people in red areas are against abortion, assuming they are going to talk about this in day to day conversation is IMO folly.  after 50 years of CONSTANT msm and hollywood propaganda about the wonders of killing a baby I think you might get a lot of trump like answers about how they tell you in public they can not stand the guy....then they go in private and vote for him.


   For me, its a non issue.  If someone wants to kill their baby,  it is on them.  Just do not subsidize it federally or with any other tax money and I have no involvement.  If it gets overturned (the ruling), it should.  I suspect most states would still make laws allowing abortion as it is at this point a check point of "Americana" as it has been normalized for a looong time, so the people who want them will still get them.  It just wont stand on terrible legal precedence anymore, which is my only concern with it.
Well, actually, they are about to rule on a Mississippi law that bars abortions after something like 15 weeks. OK, the ruling's not due for a month or two, but it is coming.

What's rather funny has been the histrionics. Lots of 'Handmaid's Tale' references (READ ANOTHER BOOK). Completely ignoring how badly the Covid mandates fucked 'medical privacy' and 'my body, my choice'. Bizarre hallucinatory scenarios about forced pregnancy that make me think of disturbing fetish fantasies.

And it was all avoidable. They had fifty years to lock this in with legislation, and instead opted to fetishize it with 'shout your abortion' and other such creepiness. And then they're surprised when things start to backfire.

  The part that always makes me laugh about Handmaid's Tale proclamations is they seem to miss it is simply a world where Christians act like Muslims act NOW.  Yeah I know about the Mississippi thing...but again, its not a ban, its applying a touch of actual humanity to a law that allows a woman to kill her baby.   It also is not there yet, but in any event the OUTRAGE that a very conservative justice would draft a very conservative opinion is hilarious.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #515 on: May 04, 2022, 09:13:50 AM »
  Well, people are shitting their pants over what is an opinion draft.   It is not as if the SCOTUS was about to rule on a case.  I think it is hilarious lefties are losing their minds to find out one of the most conservative justices is against making laws from the bench.  I suspect it is just an attempt to prevent the midterms from being such a bloodbath.   As for how much people in red areas are against abortion, assuming they are going to talk about this in day to day conversation is IMO folly.  after 50 years of CONSTANT msm and hollywood propaganda about the wonders of killing a baby I think you might get a lot of trump like answers about how they tell you in public they can not stand the guy....then they go in private and vote for him.


   For me, its a non issue.  If someone wants to kill their baby,  it is on them.  Just do not subsidize it federally or with any other tax money and I have no involvement.  If it gets overturned (the ruling), it should.  I suspect most states would still make laws allowing abortion as it is at this point a check point of "Americana" as it has been normalized for a looong time, so the people who want them will still get them.  It just wont stand on terrible legal precedence anymore, which is my only concern with it.
Well, actually, they are about to rule on a Mississippi law that bars abortions after something like 15 weeks. OK, the ruling's not due for a month or two, but it is coming.

What's rather funny has been the histrionics. Lots of 'Handmaid's Tale' references (READ ANOTHER BOOK). Completely ignoring how badly the Covid mandates fucked 'medical privacy' and 'my body, my choice'. Bizarre hallucinatory scenarios about forced pregnancy that make me think of disturbing fetish fantasies.

And it was all avoidable. They had fifty years to lock this in with legislation, and instead opted to fetishize it with 'shout your abortion' and other such creepiness. And then they're surprised when things start to backfire.

  The part that always makes me laugh about Handmaid's Tale proclamations is they seem to miss it is simply a world where Christians act like Muslims act NOW.  Yeah I know about the Mississippi thing...but again, its not a ban, its applying a touch of actual humanity to a law that allows a woman to kill her baby.   It also is not there yet, but in any event the OUTRAGE that a very conservative justice would draft a very conservative opinion is hilarious.
Putting on my tinfoil hat here, I find it interesting how fast the protest groups showed up when the memo leaked. And with very nice professional signs to boot.

There's some speculation that it's an attempt to distract from the regime's truly spectacular failures on just about every front. Maybe, but if so this was poorly timed. Joe Average voter doesn't have a long attention span, and I don't think they can sustain the outrage long enough to get to November.

Plus, much like the Russia-Ukraine war, it's hard to get all excited when you're paying 3x normal for gas and food.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #516 on: May 04, 2022, 11:37:34 AM »
  Lefties are ALWAYS ready to mobilize at a moment's notice thanks to billions of dollars in war chests, infrastructure and being able to operate any time they want.  If you try to form a right wing activist organization, you will have a 1 in 10 (at the LOWEST) fed to member ratio inside of a week, and have one of them talk a tard in the group into buying a conversion kit or a shotgun 1/2 too short on barrel length.  So I think it is more a demonstration of how fast these people can mobilize thanks to stacks of cash and being able to operate in any way they want.  So if there is anything that looks tinfoil to me, it is the very obvious difference in treatment from government entities to one spectrum versus the other.  This has led to there being a very efficient network on one side, and reactionary behavior from the other (because one side is NOT ALLOWED to gather and make proactive moves).

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #517 on: May 04, 2022, 02:19:23 PM »
  Lefties are ALWAYS ready to mobilize at a moment's notice thanks to billions of dollars in war chests, infrastructure and being able to operate any time they want.  If you try to form a right wing activist organization, you will have a 1 in 10 (at the LOWEST) fed to member ratio inside of a week, and have one of them talk a tard in the group into buying a conversion kit or a shotgun 1/2 too short on barrel length.  So I think it is more a demonstration of how fast these people can mobilize thanks to stacks of cash and being able to operate in any way they want.  So if there is anything that looks tinfoil to me, it is the very obvious difference in treatment from government entities to one spectrum versus the other.  This has led to there being a very efficient network on one side, and reactionary behavior from the other (because one side is NOT ALLOWED to gather and make proactive moves).
The left has always been really good at building (or suborning to their use) institutions, as well as gathering shock troops (as David Z. Hines remarked in his review of Days of Rage).

Review here: https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/

I recommend the book, by the way; I'm seeing a lot of really depressing parallels.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #518 on: May 04, 2022, 02:37:45 PM »
There's some speculation that it's an attempt to distract from the regime's truly spectacular failures on just about every front. Maybe, but if so this was poorly timed. Joe Average voter doesn't have a long attention span, and I don't think they can sustain the outrage long enough to get to November.

Apart from Texas, this is the very first week for state primary elections. And they absolutely need something to interest their voters and distract from the dismal job happening in Washington now.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #519 on: May 04, 2022, 02:47:04 PM »
There's some speculation that it's an attempt to distract from the regime's truly spectacular failures on just about every front. Maybe, but if so this was poorly timed. Joe Average voter doesn't have a long attention span, and I don't think they can sustain the outrage long enough to get to November.

Apart from Texas, this is the very first week for state primary elections. And they absolutely need something to interest their voters and distract from the dismal job happening in Washington now.

  Just seems a little....ick to have killing unborn babies being the flag to rally to.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #520 on: May 04, 2022, 02:48:22 PM »
There's some speculation that it's an attempt to distract from the regime's truly spectacular failures on just about every front. Maybe, but if so this was poorly timed. Joe Average voter doesn't have a long attention span, and I don't think they can sustain the outrage long enough to get to November.

Apart from Texas, this is the very first week for state primary elections. And they absolutely need something to interest their voters and distract from the dismal job happening in Washington now.

  Just seems a little....ick to have killing unborn babies being the flag to rally to.
These are the same lunatics who wanted to make 'shout your abortion' a hashtag on Twitter.

I mean, come on, we just saw them go to the mat in defense of grooming children. This really shouldn't be a surprise.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #521 on: May 04, 2022, 03:01:32 PM »
There's some speculation that it's an attempt to distract from the regime's truly spectacular failures on just about every front. Maybe, but if so this was poorly timed. Joe Average voter doesn't have a long attention span, and I don't think they can sustain the outrage long enough to get to November.

Apart from Texas, this is the very first week for state primary elections. And they absolutely need something to interest their voters and distract from the dismal job happening in Washington now.

  Just seems a little....ick to have killing unborn babies being the flag to rally to.
These are the same lunatics who wanted to make 'shout your abortion' a hashtag on Twitter.

I mean, come on, we just saw them go to the mat in defense of grooming children. This really shouldn't be a surprise.

  Yeah, not surprised, I just feel like there are A LOT of left type ideas that are much more hopeful and less polarizing than stuff like that.  A common good, I would even say a well run (laughable, but the idea is a noble one at least) health care for all (and actually affordable, not giving it to some for free and making others premiums hit the roof) and some actual public works projects at least project an image of hope and caring.  Aborting kids is not really all that much hope and care from my perspective.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #522 on: May 04, 2022, 05:29:03 PM »
I don't think people realize, Balkanization has never been peaceful. That's a coward's fantasy. You should really look up the political and societal situation of Yugoslavia just before the civil war against Bosnia. Random groups of armed militias, vehicles kept in storage/national guard stockpile being pulled out for use. There is no peaceful resolution, but it seems just like Yugoslavia it will be ethnically oriented with politics being only half of it.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #523 on: May 04, 2022, 05:44:26 PM »
Reminder for the pro-abortion, follow the science types:

96% of biologists, regardless of their position on that issue agree; Life begins at fertilization.

So, since it's you who are arguing for a magical moment when the zygote, fetus, etc suddenly becomes a human life... Care to point exactly when?
https://quillette.com/2019/10/16/i-asked-thousands-of-biologists-when-life-begins-the-answer-wasnt-popular/
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #524 on: May 04, 2022, 06:00:11 PM »
I don't think people realize, Balkanization has never been peaceful. That's a coward's fantasy. You should really look up the political and societal situation of Yugoslavia just before the civil war against Bosnia. Random groups of armed militias, vehicles kept in storage/national guard stockpile being pulled out for use. There is no peaceful resolution, but it seems just like Yugoslavia it will be ethnically oriented with politics being only half of it.

If the armed militias are roughing up the woke, how is that a problem? Isn't that exactly what the woke members of Antifa and BLM did during the riots? Seems that turnabout would be fair play.
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