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Author Topic: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?  (Read 60700 times)

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #495 on: May 03, 2022, 11:03:48 AM »
I can't imagine it will be that difficult to figure out who leaked it. There aren't a lot of people who have access to them in the first place.

It could have been any of them, but it is probably safe to start the investigation with four of the judges and their law clerks.
The heavy money seems to be on one of Sotomayor's clerks. She's as dumb as a bag of hammers and I can't imagine her clerks are much better.

Nah, I'm calling it right now.  It'll be a cyber-breach of their systems, which, amazingly, no one will ever be too interested in investigating that resulted in the leak.  That way no one has to fall on a sword, but the news is still out there to help mobilize the base for the democrats during mid-terms (which is what this is actually about... in addition to intimidating justices to see if they can sway someone).  And frankly, I wouldn't put it past the alphabet agencies to actually be hacking and spying on the USSC...

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #496 on: May 03, 2022, 11:28:10 AM »
I can't imagine it will be that difficult to figure out who leaked it. There aren't a lot of people who have access to them in the first place.

It could have been any of them, but it is probably safe to start the investigation with four of the judges and their law clerks.
The heavy money seems to be on one of Sotomayor's clerks. She's as dumb as a bag of hammers and I can't imagine her clerks are much better.

Nah, I'm calling it right now.  It'll be a cyber-breach of their systems, which, amazingly, no one will ever be too interested in investigating that resulted in the leak.  That way no one has to fall on a sword, but the news is still out there to help mobilize the base for the democrats during mid-terms (which is what this is actually about... in addition to intimidating justices to see if they can sway someone).  And frankly, I wouldn't put it past the alphabet agencies to actually be hacking and spying on the USSC...


They won't have to investigate...obviously it was the Russians!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #497 on: May 03, 2022, 11:44:15 AM »
  The legal standing for Roe V Wade to be a federal law/ruling has been on thin ice since it was made.  Even RBG stated this several times and she said it would not win out in any sort of legitimate legal challenge.  If it gets over turned, and abortion becomes a state by state ruling, so be it.  It is how it should have been in the first place.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #498 on: May 03, 2022, 06:47:52 PM »
  The legal standing for Roe V Wade to be a federal law/ruling has been on thin ice since it was made.  Even RBG stated this several times and she said it would not win out in any sort of legitimate legal challenge.  If it gets over turned, and abortion becomes a state by state ruling, so be it.  It is how it should have been in the first place.
Roe v. Wade is a horrible law, because judges shouldn't be making laws. Especially when they claim it's somehow magically found in the Constitution, because that means the duly elected representatives of the people (however shitty they might be) can't overrule it, without the extreme measure of amending the Constitution.

NPR of course is freaking out, in their extreme leftist way.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #499 on: May 03, 2022, 10:28:12 PM »
The Republicans just became the dog who caught the car.

As someone who lives in Red State farmland, I always can strongly notice the difference between right-wing poster culture and right-wing people who live off the internet. And oh man, right-wing people who live off the internet are not going to the mat over cancelling abortion rights. But city liberals who live off the internet totally are.

But to tie this in to the overall thread, the people around me don't want to form the Free State of Trump's Cool, they'd much rather push the far-right-wingers who want anything but life as normal into the ocean to find a new homeland and bitch about those dumb liberals, than the reverse. Roe v. Wade might be technically awful law, but it was the easiest way to be where we will inevitably end up no matter what.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #500 on: May 03, 2022, 10:37:38 PM »
The Republicans just became the dog who caught the car.

As someone who lives in Red State farmland, I always can strongly notice the difference between right-wing poster culture and right-wing people who live off the internet. And oh man, right-wing people who live off the internet are not going to the mat over cancelling abortion rights. But city liberals who live off the internet totally are.

But to tie this in to the overall thread, the people around me don't want to form the Free State of Trump's Cool, they'd much rather push the far-right-wingers who want anything but life as normal into the ocean to find a new homeland and bitch about those dumb liberals, than the reverse. Roe v. Wade might be technically awful law, but it was the easiest way to be where we will inevitably end up no matter what.
Sure, those Red State farmhands would much rather let libs establish CRT in the schools, dudes in women's bathroom, and have teachers grooming kids than right wingers abolishing abortion... that's who they'd choose to banish.  ::)

I think it's far more likely that you are just seeing what you want to see...

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #501 on: May 03, 2022, 10:45:52 PM »
I think it's far more likely that a 5 post account is just a sockpuppet trying to stir up trouble.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #502 on: May 03, 2022, 10:56:32 PM »
I think it's far more likely that

HEY HEY, HO HO, ROE V. WADE HAS GOT TO GO!
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #503 on: May 03, 2022, 11:09:34 PM »
And I DID NOT GO THERE ON VACATION.  The touristy stuff I saw was just extra to what we were doing. Because why not?

Yes, grandpa, you told us all before that you went there on another one of your 'secret missions.'

It's almost 7, visiting hours are over, we'll see you again next weekend, now go with the nice nurse and get some strawberry ice cream before they run out and you get stuck with vanilla again.

LOL not a secret mission at all, just none of your guys' business. Anyone who knows me, knows why I was there.

You were on vacation. Like any other fucking tourist.

I wasn't. And you're kinda a shitty human being Jeff.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #504 on: May 03, 2022, 11:11:49 PM »
  The USA has 5x the murder rate and 10x the violent crime rate, triple the rape rate of Ireland.   So..... That is interesting.

I don't know the stats on those for "Northern Ireland." But I do know it's literally a different nation than "Ireland." Which is the point of the conflict of course.

But maybe building walls and shutting gates on Catholic neighborhoods every single evening reduces crime?  Again, not sure the stats for Northern Ireland.

So, days later, you admit to talking out of your ass about the balkanized Hellscape (but still good for a vacation visit) that was Ireland. Like we couldn't tell you were being a liar again by what you wrote.

WTF are you talking about? I never called it a hellscape YOU DID. I never claimed I knew what their current murder and rape stats were. But you again called it Ireland - which, again, it's NORTHERN Ireland. Not the same country as Ireland. I told you exactly what I saw there (which wasn't during a vacation). Jesus Jeff you really are just plain a shitty human being. I know you live a miserable life, but I suggest the reason your life is miserable is because you're a miserable human being to others. Damn dude, I hope at least your wife loves you.
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #505 on: May 03, 2022, 11:17:35 PM »
The Republicans just became the dog who caught the car.

I totally read that as the Dog that caught the Cat and thought, yep that Cat is fucked now.
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #506 on: May 03, 2022, 11:27:05 PM »
The Republicans just became the dog who caught the car.

As someone who lives in Red State farmland, I always can strongly notice the difference between right-wing poster culture and right-wing people who live off the internet. And oh man, right-wing people who live off the internet are not going to the mat over cancelling abortion rights. But city liberals who live off the internet totally are.

But to tie this in to the overall thread, the people around me don't want to form the Free State of Trump's Cool, they'd much rather push the far-right-wingers who want anything but life as normal into the ocean to find a new homeland and bitch about those dumb liberals, than the reverse. Roe v. Wade might be technically awful law, but it was the easiest way to be where we will inevitably end up no matter what.
Sure, those Red State farmhands would much rather let libs establish CRT in the schools, dudes in women's bathroom, and have teachers grooming kids than right wingers abolishing abortion... that's who they'd choose to banish.  ::)

I think it's far more likely that you are just seeing what you want to see...

Nobody really hires farmhands (except part time kids), there's not enough money in farming. But you're missing my main point, poster culture and real life small town America, they don't use the same denominator mentally. And if you think they're ready to declare Confederacy over the screed of poster culture, well they're not. They don't like CRT, but it's much like that interview with Virginia moms who voted Youngkin who all said, "Yeah CRT had nothing to do with our vote. We wanted our kids out of the house and back in school." It's real life vs. some internet outrage.

Dudes in women's bathrooms wouldn't be seen as an opinion you can't have out here, but a little uncouth and most wouldn't be ready to freak out about it or cast in such simple terms, even if they're explicitly opposed. And the okay groomer thing is pure poster culture. That's like thinking everybody out here in real red America supports Q because we wouldn't want our babies' blood drank. Again, different denominator. People online all assume they have the masses behind them because they must all agree with you about issues X, Y, and Z, without realizing most people on internet forums sound like absolute lunatics to those masses and they couch all those issues and the world itself differently than you assume. But don't believe it if you don't want to (you or the next guy), I didn't write it to hurt anybody's feelings.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #507 on: May 03, 2022, 11:35:26 PM »
lots of words I don't care about
Yeah, whatever.

HEY HEY, HO HO, ROE V. WADE HAS GOT TO GO!


And I DID NOT GO THERE ON VACATION.  The touristy stuff I saw was just extra to what we were doing. Because why not?

Yes, grandpa, you told us all before that you went there on another one of your 'secret missions.'

It's almost 7, visiting hours are over, we'll see you again next weekend, now go with the nice nurse and get some strawberry ice cream before they run out and you get stuck with vanilla again.

LOL not a secret mission at all, just none of your guys' business. Anyone who knows me, knows why I was there.

You were on vacation. Like any other fucking tourist.

I wasn't. And you're kinda a shitty human being Jeff.

Grandpa you've been home for two weeks, your friends here are all tired of hearing about how you hung out with the Red Hand during your vacation. Besides, I looked at your photo of them and the "Red Hand" are just the other people on the tour, and the tour guide.

Now go along with Lloyd and watch your movie, I think tonight is lemon custard!
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #508 on: May 03, 2022, 11:48:00 PM »
lots of words I don't care about
Yeah, whatever.


That's exactly what they say about you. In the abstract, they don't know you. And they don't chant.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #509 on: May 04, 2022, 12:16:17 AM »
That's exactly what they zzzzzz ominous rumblings

HEY HEY, HO HO, ROE V. WADE HAS GOT TO GO!


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