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Author Topic: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?  (Read 60719 times)

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #480 on: April 26, 2022, 02:23:50 PM »
I think I fought that thing in a prior D&D game.
It's an evolved form with spikes that prevent one from placing the traditional millstone around its neck.
How does one dispatch such a beast?
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #481 on: April 26, 2022, 06:25:55 PM »
The right wing 'groomer' narrative has gone so far that it is the baseline accusation used by anyone on the right.

What the fuck is this?  What is its purpose?

To find innocent victims to sacrifice to Lord Slaanesh.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #482 on: April 29, 2022, 02:22:30 PM »
The right wing 'groomer' narrative has gone so far that it is the baseline accusation used by anyone on the right.

What the fuck is this?  What is its purpose?

To find innocent victims to sacrifice to Lord Slaanesh.

Here's the thing.  If someone were to be transgendered (usually it's always MTF), but they dressed conservatively, looked like a woman and sounded like a woman and were not trying to indoctrinate children into leftist ideology, I doubt that many people would care. The problem is things like spikehead  or the blue haired commie activists who are men in drag with stubble and deep voices - the only person that thinks that *that* is a woman is the delusional man in drag. 

The same can be said for gay/lesbian - when they *aren't* cigar-chomping bull dukes or flaming swish  girly-men trying to claim that they're normal while flamboyantly acting out, no one gives a shit.  You are a man who looks, dresses, and sounds like a man but you like a deep dicking from your equally-conservative looking husband  behind closed doors? Who cares. You want to adopt kids and raise them to be good people who are patriotic, generous, and caring? Great. But we don't need anyone who is LGBTxxx trying to tell children that everything is wrong with traditional values.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #483 on: April 30, 2022, 05:40:56 PM »
Here's the thing.  If someone were to be transgendered (usually it's always MTF), but they dressed conservatively, looked like a woman and sounded like a woman and were not trying to indoctrinate children into leftist ideology, I doubt that many people would care. The problem is things like spikehead  or the blue haired commie activists who are men in drag with stubble and deep voices - the only person that thinks that *that* is a woman is the delusional man in drag. 

The same can be said for gay/lesbian - when they *aren't* cigar-chomping bull dukes or flaming swish  girly-men trying to claim that they're normal while flamboyantly acting out, no one gives a shit.  You are a man who looks, dresses, and sounds like a man but you like a deep dicking from your equally-conservative looking husband  behind closed doors? Who cares. You want to adopt kids and raise them to be good people who are patriotic, generous, and caring? Great. But we don't need anyone who is LGBTxxx trying to tell children that everything is wrong with traditional values.
People did use to give a shit, even when they blended in. Gay-bashing and homophobia were a thing, and people were worried about shit like "what the queers are doing to the soil"[1].

That's changed, on both of the two branches of psychopathy we call the political spectrum. And in a large part it's changed because people have seen positive examples. People who were out, or men who wore a dress (whether trans or not; the general public at the time wasn't really aware of those distinctions), but who were charming, or funny, or even... normal. Will & Grace, Queer Eye, Rupaul, and so on.

As a result of that publicity, most people agreed that all those people seem human. So let's give them the same basic rights, and stop panicking.

This is just the next step. So the argument that they should just act normal and people would be fine with it isn't a good one, because the current state is the result of the previous generation not acting normal and blending in. Instead, the criticism should be aimed at what they do that's wrong, or inappropriate, or over the line. Not on being flamboyant.

[1] Not a specific thing that people believed, but a parody from the Dead Milkmen song, Stuart. Awesome animated version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71PNZH1OaW0

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #484 on: May 02, 2022, 08:47:50 PM »
Here's the thing.  If someone were to be transgendered (usually it's always MTF), but they dressed conservatively, looked like a woman and sounded like a woman and were not trying to indoctrinate children into leftist ideology, I doubt that many people would care. The problem is things like spikehead  or the blue haired commie activists who are men in drag with stubble and deep voices - the only person that thinks that *that* is a woman is the delusional man in drag. 

The same can be said for gay/lesbian - when they *aren't* cigar-chomping bull dukes or flaming swish  girly-men trying to claim that they're normal while flamboyantly acting out, no one gives a shit.  You are a man who looks, dresses, and sounds like a man but you like a deep dicking from your equally-conservative looking husband  behind closed doors? Who cares. You want to adopt kids and raise them to be good people who are patriotic, generous, and caring? Great. But we don't need anyone who is LGBTxxx trying to tell children that everything is wrong with traditional values.
People did use to give a shit, even when they blended in. Gay-bashing and homophobia were a thing, and people were worried about shit like "what the queers are doing to the soil"[1].

That's changed, on both of the two branches of psychopathy we call the political spectrum. And in a large part it's changed because people have seen positive examples. People who were out, or men who wore a dress (whether trans or not; the general public at the time wasn't really aware of those distinctions), but who were charming, or funny, or even... normal. Will & Grace, Queer Eye, Rupaul, and so on.

As a result of that publicity, most people agreed that all those people seem human. So let's give them the same basic rights, and stop panicking.

This is just the next step. So the argument that they should just act normal and people would be fine with it isn't a good one, because the current state is the result of the previous generation not acting normal and blending in. Instead, the criticism should be aimed at what they do that's wrong, or inappropriate, or over the line. Not on being flamboyant.

[1] Not a specific thing that people believed, but a parody from the Dead Milkmen song, Stuart. Awesome animated version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71PNZH1OaW0

This *isn't* "just the next step." It's an extremist activist agenda.  If it were "just the next step" we wouldn't have The Advocate refer to Ric Grenell (who is gay, but conservative) as "...not popular with LGBTQ people..." We wouldn't have gaycitynews refer to him as "Vichy gay." Competing for "who is gay enough" and declaring those who they deem to not be as "enemies of the (LGBTQ) people" is straight out of the communist playbook.

It's not enough for these extremists to live with normal people tolerating them. They demand celebration of the abnormal. And make no mistake, with gay and lesbian people making up a single digit percentage of the overall population, they aren't the norm. So the rest of us should stop kowtowing to their demands.
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #485 on: May 02, 2022, 09:01:47 PM »
Here's the thing.  If someone were to be transgendered (usually it's always MTF), but they dressed conservatively, looked like a woman and sounded like a woman and were not trying to indoctrinate children into leftist ideology, I doubt that many people would care. The problem is things like spikehead  or the blue haired commie activists who are men in drag with stubble and deep voices - the only person that thinks that *that* is a woman is the delusional man in drag. 

The same can be said for gay/lesbian - when they *aren't* cigar-chomping bull dukes or flaming swish  girly-men trying to claim that they're normal while flamboyantly acting out, no one gives a shit.  You are a man who looks, dresses, and sounds like a man but you like a deep dicking from your equally-conservative looking husband  behind closed doors? Who cares. You want to adopt kids and raise them to be good people who are patriotic, generous, and caring? Great. But we don't need anyone who is LGBTxxx trying to tell children that everything is wrong with traditional values.
People did use to give a shit, even when they blended in. Gay-bashing and homophobia were a thing, and people were worried about shit like "what the queers are doing to the soil"[1].

That's changed, on both of the two branches of psychopathy we call the political spectrum. And in a large part it's changed because people have seen positive examples. People who were out, or men who wore a dress (whether trans or not; the general public at the time wasn't really aware of those distinctions), but who were charming, or funny, or even... normal. Will & Grace, Queer Eye, Rupaul, and so on.

As a result of that publicity, most people agreed that all those people seem human. So let's give them the same basic rights, and stop panicking.

This is just the next step. So the argument that they should just act normal and people would be fine with it isn't a good one, because the current state is the result of the previous generation not acting normal and blending in. Instead, the criticism should be aimed at what they do that's wrong, or inappropriate, or over the line. Not on being flamboyant.

[1] Not a specific thing that people believed, but a parody from the Dead Milkmen song, Stuart. Awesome animated version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71PNZH1OaW0

This *isn't* "just the next step." It's an extremist activist agenda.  If it were "just the next step" we wouldn't have The Advocate refer to Ric Grenell (who is gay, but conservative) as "...not popular with LGBTQ people..." We wouldn't have gaycitynews refer to him as "Vichy gay." Competing for "who is gay enough" and declaring those who they deem to not be as "enemies of the (LGBTQ) people" is straight out of the communist playbook.

It's not enough for these extremists to live with normal people tolerating them. They demand celebration of the abnormal. And make no mistake, with gay and lesbian people making up a single digit percentage of the overall population, they aren't the norm. So the rest of us should stop kowtowing to their demands.

Yes, 100% this

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #486 on: May 02, 2022, 09:15:25 PM »
Here's the thing.  If someone were to be transgendered (usually it's always MTF), but they dressed conservatively, looked like a woman and sounded like a woman and were not trying to indoctrinate children into leftist ideology, I doubt that many people would care. The problem is things like spikehead  or the blue haired commie activists who are men in drag with stubble and deep voices - the only person that thinks that *that* is a woman is the delusional man in drag. 

The same can be said for gay/lesbian - when they *aren't* cigar-chomping bull dukes or flaming swish  girly-men trying to claim that they're normal while flamboyantly acting out, no one gives a shit.  You are a man who looks, dresses, and sounds like a man but you like a deep dicking from your equally-conservative looking husband  behind closed doors? Who cares. You want to adopt kids and raise them to be good people who are patriotic, generous, and caring? Great. But we don't need anyone who is LGBTxxx trying to tell children that everything is wrong with traditional values.
People did use to give a shit, even when they blended in. Gay-bashing and homophobia were a thing, and people were worried about shit like "what the queers are doing to the soil"[1].

That's changed, on both of the two branches of psychopathy we call the political spectrum. And in a large part it's changed because people have seen positive examples. People who were out, or men who wore a dress (whether trans or not; the general public at the time wasn't really aware of those distinctions), but who were charming, or funny, or even... normal. Will & Grace, Queer Eye, Rupaul, and so on.

As a result of that publicity, most people agreed that all those people seem human. So let's give them the same basic rights, and stop panicking.

This is just the next step. So the argument that they should just act normal and people would be fine with it isn't a good one, because the current state is the result of the previous generation not acting normal and blending in. Instead, the criticism should be aimed at what they do that's wrong, or inappropriate, or over the line. Not on being flamboyant.

[1] Not a specific thing that people believed, but a parody from the Dead Milkmen song, Stuart. Awesome animated version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71PNZH1OaW0

This *isn't* "just the next step." It's an extremist activist agenda.  If it were "just the next step" we wouldn't have The Advocate refer to Ric Grenell (who is gay, but conservative) as "...not popular with LGBTQ people..." We wouldn't have gaycitynews refer to him as "Vichy gay." Competing for "who is gay enough" and declaring those who they deem to not be as "enemies of the (LGBTQ) people" is straight out of the communist playbook.

It's not enough for these extremists to live with normal people tolerating them. They demand celebration of the abnormal. And make no mistake, with gay and lesbian people making up a single digit percentage of the overall population, they aren't the norm. So the rest of us should stop kowtowing to their demands.
So you didn't read what I said.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #487 on: May 02, 2022, 10:27:08 PM »
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In a democracy, our solution is usually something we call "elections."
My guess is that their next step will be to legalise a way of being able to cross-reference names with which candidate they voted for. The way the Left keeps getting blindsided by things like Trump and Brexit because the silent majority don't want to risk their careers/lives on speaking Wrong Think aloud, which they can do in the voting booth. This will naturally lead them to try and 'give nazis no safe places to hide', though it will probably be under the guise of preventing voter fraud/foreign agents.

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I can't wait for the campaign source book.  :-)
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You ain't gettin' a Job.

by the way, the above illegal discrimination has spread to other government departments, and not just in California.
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #488 on: May 03, 2022, 12:01:38 AM »
And I DID NOT GO THERE ON VACATION.  The touristy stuff I saw was just extra to what we were doing. Because why not?

Yes, grandpa, you told us all before that you went there on another one of your 'secret missions.'

It's almost 7, visiting hours are over, we'll see you again next weekend, now go with the nice nurse and get some strawberry ice cream before they run out and you get stuck with vanilla again.

LOL not a secret mission at all, just none of your guys' business. Anyone who knows me, knows why I was there.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #489 on: May 03, 2022, 12:04:43 AM »
  The USA has 5x the murder rate and 10x the violent crime rate, triple the rape rate of Ireland.   So..... That is interesting.

I don't know the stats on those for "Northern Ireland." But I do know it's literally a different nation than "Ireland." Which is the point of the conflict of course.

But maybe building walls and shutting gates on Catholic neighborhoods every single evening reduces crime?  Again, not sure the stats for Northern Ireland.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #490 on: May 03, 2022, 06:40:15 AM »
And I DID NOT GO THERE ON VACATION.  The touristy stuff I saw was just extra to what we were doing. Because why not?

Yes, grandpa, you told us all before that you went there on another one of your 'secret missions.'

It's almost 7, visiting hours are over, we'll see you again next weekend, now go with the nice nurse and get some strawberry ice cream before they run out and you get stuck with vanilla again.

LOL not a secret mission at all, just none of your guys' business. Anyone who knows me, knows why I was there.

You were on vacation. Like any other fucking tourist.
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #491 on: May 03, 2022, 06:42:39 AM »
  The USA has 5x the murder rate and 10x the violent crime rate, triple the rape rate of Ireland.   So..... That is interesting.

I don't know the stats on those for "Northern Ireland." But I do know it's literally a different nation than "Ireland." Which is the point of the conflict of course.

But maybe building walls and shutting gates on Catholic neighborhoods every single evening reduces crime?  Again, not sure the stats for Northern Ireland.

So, days later, you admit to talking out of your ass about the balkanized Hellscape (but still good for a vacation visit) that was Ireland. Like we couldn't tell you were being a liar again by what you wrote.
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #492 on: May 03, 2022, 08:43:46 AM »
If you're living inside a Martian habitat, you may not have heard about this.

Someone leaked a prelim draft of a SCOTUS opinion that overrules and overturns Roe vs Wade.

And, unsurprisingly, the usual suspects are having a titanic freak out over it.

We're gonna balkanize, I think. The only question is how bloody it gets.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #493 on: May 03, 2022, 09:05:59 AM »
I can't imagine it will be that difficult to figure out who leaked it. There aren't a lot of people who have access to them in the first place.

It could have been any of them, but it is probably safe to start the investigation with four of the judges and their law clerks.




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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #494 on: May 03, 2022, 09:48:33 AM »
I can't imagine it will be that difficult to figure out who leaked it. There aren't a lot of people who have access to them in the first place.

It could have been any of them, but it is probably safe to start the investigation with four of the judges and their law clerks.
The heavy money seems to be on one of Sotomayor's clerks. She's as dumb as a bag of hammers and I can't imagine her clerks are much better.