It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?

[jeff37923]

We are living in a balkanized country based on the new satanic panic of ultra right wing ideologies. CRT, immigrants, LGBTQ+ are the new enemies of their so-called purified merica. We'll never have unity as long as ultra conservatives continue to trample on women's rights, LGBTQ+ rights, immigrant rights, poor peoples rights. Basically, the right in the US has declared open war over against anyone who does not conform to their ideal of fundamental christian ideologies.

The ultra-right has literally stated that these people don't have a right to live peacefully and don't have the same protections under the Constitution of the Untied States. They will use their vast media power (all media is right wing media - the liberal media thing is a myth).

Why? Because money. The ultra wealthy the richest people in the world the capitalist overlords (who have more money and power than any of us can possibly imagine) run it all. They own us completely and they will use their power to make you conform to the idea that anyone who wants an individual to have power in this world is the enemy. They tell you that people who want fair distribution of basic needs to live as woke. That if you want to love a person you choose as woke. That you want to survive in this world as woke.

The right wing ideology has a foundation of an ultra rich capitalist elite who want to control every aspect of our lives and squeeze every last penny from us. They will collapse our planet's ecosystem to make more profit, they will watch people suffer to make more profit. The right needs to separate itself from ultra rich capitalists if they want to hold true to the Constitution... but I think we all know that the right doesn't give a f*ck about the Constitution and they will cheat and steal and intimidate and coerce their way into power.

Lol.. i find it hilarious that you guys don't' realize that YOU are the evil empire. You guys cry cry cry cry cry like babies,  but you guys are winning. You got your asinine b.s. legislation going everywhere, and you got your cultist trump flag waving morons everywhere.

What? how much more do you want to rape our country???Are you already getting everything your sad pathetic desires fulfilled?? How far do you fascists want to go? 1984 level control over our society??? Satanic panic in full effect.

I'm married to someone not of my same race. Am I on the execution block?? You are gunning for interracial marriage ( and yes I know you mean interracial with blacks) My daughter is interracial. Is my daughter open season to be raped and forced to bear that child? Is that what you all want? Good for you.(I mean go F*CK yourselfs... if that wasn't claear).

Drunk or just hyperbolic, you decide.

[DocJones]

Drunk or just hyperbolic, you decide.

I think he writes for The Onion.

[Chris24601]

We are living in a balkanized country based on the new satanic panic of ultra right wing ideologies. CRT, immigrants, LGBTQ+ are the new enemies of their so-called purified merica. We'll never have unity as long as ultra conservatives continue to trample on women's rights, LGBTQ+ rights, immigrant rights, poor peoples rights. Basically, the right in the US has declared open war over against anyone who does not conform to their ideal of fundamental christian ideologies.

The ultra-right has literally stated that these people don't have a right to live peacefully and don't have the same protections under the Constitution of the Untied States. They will use their vast media power (all media is right wing media - the liberal media thing is a myth).

Why? Because money. The ultra wealthy the richest people in the world the capitalist overlords (who have more money and power than any of us can possibly imagine) run it all. They own us completely and they will use their power to make you conform to the idea that anyone who wants an individual to have power in this world is the enemy. They tell you that people who want fair distribution of basic needs to live as woke. That if you want to love a person you choose as woke. That you want to survive in this world as woke.

The right wing ideology has a foundation of an ultra rich capitalist elite who want to control every aspect of our lives and squeeze every last penny from us. They will collapse our planet's ecosystem to make more profit, they will watch people suffer to make more profit. The right needs to separate itself from ultra rich capitalists if they want to hold true to the Constitution... but I think we all know that the right doesn't give a f*ck about the Constitution and they will cheat and steal and intimidate and coerce their way into power.

Lol.. i find it hilarious that you guys don't' realize that YOU are the evil empire. You guys cry cry cry cry cry like babies,  but you guys are winning. You got your asinine b.s. legislation going everywhere, and you got your cultist trump flag waving morons everywhere.

What? how much more do you want to rape our country???Are you already getting everything your sad pathetic desires fulfilled?? How far do you fascists want to go? 1984 level control over our society??? Satanic panic in full effect.

I'm married to someone not of my same race. Am I on the execution block?? You are gunning for interracial marriage ( and yes I know you mean interracial with blacks) My daughter is interracial. Is my daughter open season to be raped and forced to bear that child? Is that what you all want? Good for you.(I mean go F*CK yourselfs... if that wasn't claear).

Drunk or just hyperbolic, you decide.

I vote sock puppet of the banned moron who posted that Biden was a RIGHT WING stooge. The idea that the Alphabet People are being oppressed right now is a joke and the dude seriously believes the crony capitalists are still backing Republicans.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

*Laughing* What a Leftist moron!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[I]

The question of state secession was answered, in blood, in 1865.  The answer is "no."

It was decided at the time by force.  Not legally and not for all time.  Did the seceding thirteen British colonies establish legally for all time that colonies could secede from their government?   Nope, they fought and won, just like the South fought and lost.  Winners get to make the rules.  In this case, the victorious Northern states still didn't pass an amendment specifically forbidding a breakup of the country, even though they easily could have with no opposition whatsoever.  Why?  Probably because they knew that the day might come when it would be some of them who wanted to secede.

You're also ignoring the convention of states I mentioned.  Not enough states have signed on to it yet, but that number keeps increasing.  It doesn't mean that any state could or would secede under it, but it would be perfectly legal and constitutional if the convention said so.

[fixable]

Greetings!

*Laughing* What a Leftist moron!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

That's ok. I think you're a blow hard too. Cheers.

[jeff37923]

Greetings!

*Laughing* What a Leftist moron!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

That's ok. I think you're a blow hard too. Cheers.

So were you drunk or just hyperbolic? I've got money riding on this.

[Ghostmaker]

Greetings!

*Laughing* What a Leftist moron!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

That's ok. I think you're a blow hard too. Cheers.

So were you drunk or just hyperbolic? I've got money riding on this.

I vote delusional.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

*Laughing* What a Leftist moron!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

That's ok. I think you're a blow hard too. Cheers.

So were you drunk or just hyperbolic? I've got money riding on this.

I vote delusional.

Greetings!

Yeah, he is a brainwashed Marxist freak. Their entire outburst and "analysis" was straight out of cock-sucking, Marxist propaganda. It is the same bullshit talking-points so often found being pumped into college students everywhere in America nowadays.

The same world-view that is pumped into college students on a daily basis, is also found throughout their college textbooks. The same, Marxist propaganda and Marxist-flavoured world-view that Americans see piped into them and served up to them on Mainstream Media, News outlets, and propaganda platforms like "The View", as well as the blatherings of most people in the music and entertainment industries.

So, there you go. Clearly the poster is a deeply brainwashed Marxist cultist. We see hordes of them throughout society nowadays too. The fruits of labour for the last 50 years of cock-sucking Liberals in this country purposely or naively working to get the country corrupted entirely by Marxism.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Mistwell]

We do NOT want a balkanized USA.

Just returned from Belfast, Northern Ireland, UK.

Catholic neighborhoods have walls around them, with gates that close anywhere from 6:30pm to 9:30pm.

Every school has to be duplicated: one Catholic school, and one Protestant school.

Once a year they build huge bonfires near Catholic neighborhoods (sometimes as high as 12 stories tall) to remind everyone of William of Orange's conquest of Ireland, where they burn Irish flags and have F the Pope signs. They also do marches. During both events, teens routinely throw rocks, eggs, and other objects at Catholic houses (over the fences) such that the Catholic houses had to erect fencing at their roof-line to stop such projectiles from hitting their homes. The Catholics also do bonfires, where they burn British flags. Because the UK supports Israel, the Catholics support Palestine, so you see Israel or Palestinian flags all over depending on the neighborhood, despite it very much seeming like nobody actually knows much of anything about Israel or Palestine or that conflict.

Every older person knows someone who was either 1) killed during the Troubles by the other side, or 2) imprisoned for killing someone from the other side, or 3) both.

To create peace, BOTH major political parties must by law share leadership power. So if the Ulster party (the Loyalist/British/Protestant party) wins, then Sinn Fein (the Republic/Irish/Catholic) party leader is also placed in equal power in leadership, and vice versa.

There are billboards showing men armed with machine guns dressed in all black around town, with statements about "protecting their cultural identity." As money dried up overseas to support these militias, they turned to drugs sales and other similar crimes to fund their militia efforts to "remain ready" to defend their culture. This appears to be true for both the IRA and the UVF.

Here is an example of one I saw (this one happens to be a UVF one, which is the Loyalist/British/Protestant sides militia):



This is what a balkanized nation looks like. We don't want that. There has got to be a better way to focus on common ground than turning to that sort of solution.

[The Spaniard]

Finding common ground sounds great, but in practice it becomes less and less likely as we continue down the current path.

[jeff37923]

We do NOT want a balkanized USA.

Just returned from Belfast, Northern Ireland, UK.

Catholic neighborhoods have walls around them, with gates that close anywhere from 6:30pm to 9:30pm.

Every school has to be duplicated: one Catholic school, and one Protestant school.

Once a year they build huge bonfires near Catholic neighborhoods (sometimes as high as 12 stories tall) to remind everyone of William of Orange's conquest of Ireland, where they burn Irish flags and have F the Pope signs. They also do marches. During both events, teens routinely throw rocks, eggs, and other objects at Catholic houses (over the fences) such that the Catholic houses had to erect fencing at their roof-line to stop such projectiles from hitting their homes. The Catholics also do bonfires, where they burn British flags. Because the UK supports Israel, the Catholics support Palestine, so you see Israel or Palestinian flags all over depending on the neighborhood, despite it very much seeming like nobody actually knows much of anything about Israel or Palestine or that conflict.

Every older person knows someone who was either 1) killed during the Troubles by the other side, or 2) imprisoned for killing someone from the other side, or 3) both.

To create peace, BOTH major political parties must by law share leadership power. So if the Ulster party (the Loyalist/British/Protestant party) wins, then Sinn Fein (the Republic/Irish/Catholic) party leader is also placed in equal power in leadership, and vice versa.

There are billboards showing men armed with machine guns dressed in all black around town, with statements about "protecting their cultural identity." As money dried up overseas to support these militias, they turned to drugs sales and other similar crimes to fund their militia efforts to "remain ready" to defend their culture. This appears to be true for both the IRA and the UVF.

Here is an example of one I saw (this one happens to be a UVF one, which is the Loyalist/British/Protestant sides militia):



This is what a balkanized nation looks like. We don't want that. There has got to be a better way to focus on common ground than turning to that sort of solution.

I call bullshit.

This image came from a news story from Mar 16-17, 2021 where a Leo Varadkar was threatened via graffiti. The same story was reported in several newspapers. It isn't recent at all and it sure as fuck didn't "just happen" while you were being a tourist over the weekend.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/police-investigate-latest-graffiti-threat-to-leo-varadkar-in-belfast-40205886.html

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0316/1204469-varadkar-graffiti/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/varadkar-s-address-daubed-on-belfast-wall-in-latest-graffiti-threat-1.4512783

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/leo-varadkar-graffiti-belfast-address-20195163

https://www.independent.ie/videos/sinister-leo-varadkar-graffiti-written-on-wall-in-east-belfast-40206801.html

[Pat]

Finding common ground sounds great, but in practice it becomes less and less likely as we continue down the current path.

That's why I've argued that we need to decentralize. When there are multiple sides, and each of those sides have hard lines where they won't bend, and those lines cross, the only solutions are 1) genocide, or 2) to allow every side a space. It's also better for minorities, who are disenfranchised 100% of the time in winner-takes-all systems, and those who aren't part of the insanity and just want to be left alone. All the modern problems come from the core assumption that there needs to be One True Law, and it must rule us all.

[Mistwell]

We do NOT want a balkanized USA.

Just returned from Belfast, Northern Ireland, UK.

Catholic neighborhoods have walls around them, with gates that close anywhere from 6:30pm to 9:30pm.

Every school has to be duplicated: one Catholic school, and one Protestant school.

Once a year they build huge bonfires near Catholic neighborhoods (sometimes as high as 12 stories tall) to remind everyone of William of Orange's conquest of Ireland, where they burn Irish flags and have F the Pope signs. They also do marches. During both events, teens routinely throw rocks, eggs, and other objects at Catholic houses (over the fences) such that the Catholic houses had to erect fencing at their roof-line to stop such projectiles from hitting their homes. The Catholics also do bonfires, where they burn British flags. Because the UK supports Israel, the Catholics support Palestine, so you see Israel or Palestinian flags all over depending on the neighborhood, despite it very much seeming like nobody actually knows much of anything about Israel or Palestine or that conflict.

Every older person knows someone who was either 1) killed during the Troubles by the other side, or 2) imprisoned for killing someone from the other side, or 3) both.

To create peace, BOTH major political parties must by law share leadership power. So if the Ulster party (the Loyalist/British/Protestant party) wins, then Sinn Fein (the Republic/Irish/Catholic) party leader is also placed in equal power in leadership, and vice versa.

There are billboards showing men armed with machine guns dressed in all black around town, with statements about "protecting their cultural identity." As money dried up overseas to support these militias, they turned to drugs sales and other similar crimes to fund their militia efforts to "remain ready" to defend their culture. This appears to be true for both the IRA and the UVF.

Here is an example of one I saw (this one happens to be a UVF one, which is the Loyalist/British/Protestant sides militia):



This is what a balkanized nation looks like. We don't want that. There has got to be a better way to focus on common ground than turning to that sort of solution.

I call bullshit.

This image came from a news story from Mar 16-17, 2021 where a Leo Varadkar was threatened via graffiti. The same story was reported in several newspapers. It isn't recent at all and it sure as fuck didn't "just happen" while you were being a tourist over the weekend.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/police-investigate-latest-graffiti-threat-to-leo-varadkar-in-belfast-40205886.html

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0316/1204469-varadkar-graffiti/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/varadkar-s-address-daubed-on-belfast-wall-in-latest-graffiti-threat-1.4512783

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/leo-varadkar-graffiti-belfast-address-20195163

https://www.independent.ie/videos/sinister-leo-varadkar-graffiti-written-on-wall-in-east-belfast-40206801.html

Oh for fuck's sake I didn't say it "just happened" I said I just saw it there. And I did, as we drove by in a cab. It's still there. So are a half dozen others on the peace wall. They didn't take it down at all.  And it's not the graffiti next to it in those articles I saw (I don't recall seeing that) it's the billboard I posted that I saw.

I'm curious Jeff. You've proven the billboard was put up. Which was my point. What point do you think you're making by falsely calling me a liar about having just gotten back from there and having seen the billboard (and others)? I am pretty sure there are people here who know me on Facebook and saw me post the pictures this past 2 weeks from there (I have some good photos of some Game of Thrones locations if you'd like to see them, and even one of Titanic Studios which just completed shooting the D&D movie). Where the fuck are you going with this?

Tell you what Jeff why don't you go ahead and Google Ulster Volunteer Force and see what you find on your own. You will see they are real, they do put up stuff like that, it's not taken down, it's very real and there right now. This is in fact a reality in Belfast right now. It's what a Balkanized nation looks like.

Here this guy has been gathering some pictures of billboards around Belfast. Fascinating stuff.

[Mistwell]

Finding common ground sounds great, but in practice it becomes less and less likely as we continue down the current path.

That's why I've argued that we need to decentralize. When there are multiple sides, and each of those sides have hard lines where they won't bend, and those lines cross, the only solutions are 1) genocide, or 2) to allow every side a space. It's also better for minorities, who are disenfranchised 100% of the time in winner-takes-all systems, and those who aren't part of the insanity and just want to be left alone. All the modern problems come from the core assumption that there needs to be One True Law, and it must rule us all.

You mean like having a southern part of the country and a northern part of the country where people from each side can go to one or the other? That kind of "space"?