It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?

[Ghostmaker]

I support abortion access because we live in an imperfect world. Shit happens.

I believe that every male should be legally compelled to bank their sperm and get a vasectomy. But obviously that's not gonna happen even though it would reduce the abortion rate to near zero.

The best we can do is do what other countries have done. Make it easier to get contraception, social safety nets for single mothers, etc... and the abortion rate will go down.

The only way we could make contraception easier to get is if we offered it for free.

Fucking hell, crayon boy, this isn't 1950. This isn't a case of unavailability, it's a case of men and women not wanting to be responsible.

[BoxCrayonTales]

I support abortion access because we live in an imperfect world. Shit happens.

I believe that every male should be legally compelled to bank their sperm and get a vasectomy. But obviously that's not gonna happen even though it would reduce the abortion rate to near zero.

The best we can do is do what other countries have done. Make it easier to get contraception, social safety nets for single mothers, etc... and the abortion rate will go down.

The only way we could make contraception easier to get is if we offered it for free.

Fucking hell, crayon boy, this isn't 1950. This isn't a case of unavailability, it's a case of men and women not wanting to be responsible.

Then why do other countries with free abortion have lower abortion rates than the USA?

[oggsmash]

  Is this an argument that if abortion was free in the USA there would be fewer of them?   I think I need a list of the nations where abortion is free and what the limits are regarding term of pregnancy.  I looked at a list of several european nations, and they are ALL considerably more restrictive as to term than the USA is (where you can just go to the state with the right note concerning "mental health of the mother" and get that baby terminated at a VERY late date) so I am not sure it is an apple to apple comparison. 

[SHARK]

  Is this an argument that if abortion was free in the USA there would be fewer of them?   I think I need a list of the nations where abortion is free and what the limits are regarding term of pregnancy.  I looked at a list of several european nations, and they are ALL considerably more restrictive as to term than the USA is (where you can just go to the state with the right note concerning "mental health of the mother" and get that baby terminated at a VERY late date) so I am not sure it is an apple to apple comparison.

Greetings!

Yeah, it's a worthless comparison. Other countries have different cultures, different media, different societies. In addition, they don't have 350 million people, nor are they as diverse as America.

Beyond that, right is right. Fuck what Europe or anyone else does. Abortion should be banned. Fuck abortion being *free*. It isn't free. The tax payers are paying for it. Tax payers are paying, with their money, so that irresponsible strumpets can fuck all they want and never take responsibility for their behavior.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[BoxCrayonTales]

And now we're back to slut shaming.

[SHARK]

And now we're back to slut shaming.

Greetings!

Sluts *should* be shamed, and relentlessly. They should be shamed and condemned throughout society, at every opportunity, instead of having "Slut Walks" and having sluts and Thottery celebrated and promoted everywhere.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[BoxCrayonTales]

And now we're back to slut shaming.

Greetings!

Sluts *should* be shamed, and relentlessly. They should be shamed and condemned throughout society, at every opportunity, instead of having "Slut Walks" and having sluts and Thottery celebrated and promoted everywhere.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Does that include shaming men for being sluts too?

[Pat]

And now we're back to slut shaming.

Greetings!

Sluts *should* be shamed, and relentlessly. They should be shamed and condemned throughout society, at every opportunity, instead of having "Slut Walks" and having sluts and Thottery celebrated and promoted everywhere.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Does that include shaming men for being sluts too?

Have you been paying any attention at all to the last few pages? Basically everyone who was advocating for personal responsibility for women also came out very strongly in favor of personal responsibility for men. And that seems to be the consistent conservative position, going back decades if not longer.

Meaning you're either remarkably naive, or deliberately disingenuous.

[HappyDaze]

And now we're back to slut shaming.

Greetings!

Sluts *should* be shamed, and relentlessly. They should be shamed and condemned throughout society, at every opportunity, instead of having "Slut Walks" and having sluts and Thottery celebrated and promoted everywhere.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Good, good...

Now make them cover all skin under threat of stoning and your journey to the dark side will be complete.

[3catcircus]

And now we're back to slut shaming.

Greetings!

Sluts *should* be shamed, and relentlessly. They should be shamed and condemned throughout society, at every opportunity, instead of having "Slut Walks" and having sluts and Thottery celebrated and promoted everywhere.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Does that include shaming men for being sluts too?

Have you been paying any attention at all to the last few pages? Basically everyone who was advocating for personal responsibility for women also came out very strongly in favor of personal responsibility for men. And that seems to be the consistent conservative position, going back decades if not longer.

Meaning you're either remarkably naive, or deliberately disingenuous.

But this goes to the fact that many who are pro-baby murder are also less likely to be personally responsible *for their own actions* but are the same who have white guilt while defending minorities because the poor things are incapable of being responsible for themselves - all which goes hand-in-hand with their belief in the socialist nanny state...

We desperately *need* to go back to the 1950s where shame had it's place in preventing irresponsible and immoral behavior.

This lack of morality in western society directly correlates with governments being staffed with lazy and incompetent wastes of oxygen and run by corrupt grifters.

[BoxCrayonTales]

And now we're back to slut shaming.

Greetings!

Sluts *should* be shamed, and relentlessly. They should be shamed and condemned throughout society, at every opportunity, instead of having "Slut Walks" and having sluts and Thottery celebrated and promoted everywhere.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Does that include shaming men for being sluts too?

Have you been paying any attention at all to the last few pages? Basically everyone who was advocating for personal responsibility for women also came out very strongly in favor of personal responsibility for men. And that seems to be the consistent conservative position, going back decades if not longer.

Meaning you're either remarkably naive, or deliberately disingenuous.

And that's great. I applaud consistency.

And now we're back to slut shaming.

Greetings!

Sluts *should* be shamed, and relentlessly. They should be shamed and condemned throughout society, at every opportunity, instead of having "Slut Walks" and having sluts and Thottery celebrated and promoted everywhere.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Does that include shaming men for being sluts too?

Have you been paying any attention at all to the last few pages? Basically everyone who was advocating for personal responsibility for women also came out very strongly in favor of personal responsibility for men. And that seems to be the consistent conservative position, going back decades if not longer.

Meaning you're either remarkably naive, or deliberately disingenuous.

But this goes to the fact that many who are pro-baby murder are also less likely to be personally responsible *for their own actions* but are the same who have white guilt while defending minorities because the poor things are incapable of being responsible for themselves - all which goes hand-in-hand with their belief in the socialist nanny state...

We desperately *need* to go back to the 1950s where shame had it's place in preventing irresponsible and immoral behavior.

This lack of morality in western society directly correlates with governments being staffed with lazy and incompetent wastes of oxygen and run by corrupt grifters.

I'm chaste, actually.

[SHARK]

And now we're back to slut shaming.

Greetings!

Sluts *should* be shamed, and relentlessly. They should be shamed and condemned throughout society, at every opportunity, instead of having "Slut Walks" and having sluts and Thottery celebrated and promoted everywhere.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Does that include shaming men for being sluts too?

Have you been paying any attention at all to the last few pages? Basically everyone who was advocating for personal responsibility for women also came out very strongly in favor of personal responsibility for men. And that seems to be the consistent conservative position, going back decades if not longer.

Meaning you're either remarkably naive, or deliberately disingenuous.

But this goes to the fact that many who are pro-baby murder are also less likely to be personally responsible *for their own actions* but are the same who have white guilt while defending minorities because the poor things are incapable of being responsible for themselves - all which goes hand-in-hand with their belief in the socialist nanny state...

We desperately *need* to go back to the 1950s where shame had it's place in preventing irresponsible and immoral behavior.

This lack of morality in western society directly correlates with governments being staffed with lazy and incompetent wastes of oxygen and run by corrupt grifters.

Greetings!

PREACH ON, 3Catcircus! I agree entirely.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Shasarak]

And now we're back to slut shaming.

Greetings!

Sluts *should* be shamed, and relentlessly. They should be shamed and condemned throughout society, at every opportunity, instead of having "Slut Walks" and having sluts and Thottery celebrated and promoted everywhere.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Good, good...

Now make them cover all skin under threat of stoning and your journey to the dark side will be complete.

When we say Dark Side we are not talking about our precious Somalis.

[Ratman_tf]

Alright, you crosseyed goat fuckers.

I think "responsibility" is overrated in this situation. People are stupid, and they're doubly stupid about birth control. You get drunk and hot and heavy, and forget your rubber one night and bam. Baby jail.
Conservatives are stupid. They preach about responsibility, but when it's their teen who done (literally) screwed up, and that abortion starts looking like an *unfortunate but necessary exception* Buncha side talking jackasses there.

Meanwhile we regress into hot lysol abortions and dead women on the deck because the program of shame doesn't work to keep their legs closed, but does work to put money in the pockets of back-alley abortionists. That's how you dumbasses got Roe v Wade in the first place.

I think the general consensus is a decent one. The mistake the activist left made was in trying to turn abortion into some kind of women's rights issue. Now, they have to go all the way, and cheer about it. But they built their prescedent on quicksand and now instead of proposing a better law, they just harass judges because they're mad.

And I'm darkly amused at all the pro-lifers who are happy to let this fall back into states rights, knowing full well that some states will make abortion even more accessible. I guess those dead babies are a price they're willing to pay...

[Pat]

Since it's Mother's Day, NPR decided to spend the day promoting abortion rights. Which makes as much sense as celebrating Juneteenth by talking about how grand the plantation system was, and how everyone should own a slave. But anyway....

One of the radical extremists they used in a propaganda piece disguised as an interview had an interesting confession: For the last 49 years (and they kept repeating that time frame), the left and the progressive abortion rights movement has almost entirely been focused on the national stage, and were operating under the unwavering assumption that Roe v. Wade was settled law and 49 years (again) of precedent would never be overturned. During that time, the right primarily operated at the state and local level, and chipped away at the edges of Roe v. Wade, including setting up laws that take effect if it's repealed. Strategically, they didn't get very far because of the absolute nature of Roe v. Wade, but tactically they won almost every battle. This led to the right being a dramatically better place than the left, if the law-by-judicial-fiat is thrown out.

That's a pretty frank admission of two major gaping blind spots and the resulting failure in contingency planning, and I think it's also a relevant commentary on the strengths and weaknesses of the two sides. The right has focused more on the local and state level, which has led to many victories in areas like constitutional carry, congressional redistricting, and so on. While the left has taken the national stage, and dominates almost all issues at that level.