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Author Topic: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?  (Read 60737 times)

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It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #390 on: July 12, 2020, 11:36:38 AM »
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LOL. We're approaching peak stupidity.

I wonder if the US citizens in east Oklahoma are ready to become subjects of a stone age tribe.


Silicon is found in stones, but you shouldn't confuse it with "silicon age" because that has very different connotations.

You can visit the Muscogee Nation website @ https://www.mcn-nsn.gov/

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« Reply #391 on: July 12, 2020, 02:24:09 PM »
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The USA balkanizing is much different issue than Israel/Palestine, but I can agree there could be some parallels.

Would a balkanized America be peaceful? Good question.

Much depends on the division of the previous nation's wealth and its natural resources.

This Oklahoma situation is quite strange and it will be interesting to see how it develops. It's quite possible it will be a nothingburger, just an odd legal ruling with extremely limited effect, or it could become a culture war flashpoint.

I'm surprised we haven't heard commentary from US citizens whose homes are now legally considered tribal lands and not part of the USA anymore. Maybe it will become the next Las Vegas?


The Oklahoma ruling doesn't undermine the state's ownership. In practice, it means that only the Muscogee Nation can prosecute Muscogee criminals. So all those criminals have to be extradited now, if that makes sense.

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« Reply #392 on: July 13, 2020, 04:01:26 AM »
Greetings!

Here we have a Texas cowboy, Ryan Upchurch, doing a funny video about how true Americans need to stand up and speak out against BLM and other insanity!

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« Reply #393 on: July 13, 2020, 06:14:12 AM »
Greetings!

This young woman, Sydney Watson, has had enough of the radical Left. Very interesting and refreshing commentary from this young woman. She encourages people to stand up, and fight back! I believe she is also an immigrant from Australia!

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« Reply #394 on: July 13, 2020, 06:50:57 PM »
Greetings!

Two courageous Police Officers were ambushed and murdered in Texas! Watch the video for more. Also, the grieving young daughter of one of the murdered police officers posted a tribute online, saying Blue Lives Matter!--and she was harassed and slammed by a horde of BLM scum online.

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« Reply #395 on: July 17, 2020, 10:35:02 AM »
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The USA balkanizing is much different issue than Israel/Palestine, but I can agree there could be some parallels.

Would a balkanized America be peaceful? Good question.

Much depends on the division of the previous nation's wealth and its natural resources.

This Oklahoma situation is quite strange and it will be interesting to see how it develops. It's quite possible it will be a nothingburger, just an odd legal ruling with extremely limited effect, or it could become a culture war flashpoint.

I'm surprised we haven't heard commentary from US citizens whose homes are now legally considered tribal lands and not part of the USA anymore. Maybe it will become the next Las Vegas?


Greetings!

"It's quite possible it will be a nothingburger,":D Hilarious!

I can't imagine the Supreme Court just *expanding* the jurisdiction of an Indian Reservation with the stroke of a pen! I'm also thinking there has to be some level of Congressional and even Executive involvement, because the Supreme Court is not allowed to change, create, or otherwise alter US Government treaties--such is beyond their power, and is almost entirely a Presidential prerogative, with some involvement of Congress. That is dealing with foreign policy. As I also recall, the court cannot change boundaries of states, either. Such would be a violation of states' rights.

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« Reply #396 on: July 24, 2020, 01:26:11 AM »
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Greetings!

"It's quite possible it will be a nothingburger,":D Hilarious!

I can't imagine the Supreme Court just *expanding* the jurisdiction of an Indian Reservation with the stroke of a pen! I'm also thinking there has to be some level of Congressional and even Executive involvement, because the Supreme Court is not allowed to change, create, or otherwise alter US Government treaties--such is beyond their power, and is almost entirely a Presidential prerogative, with some involvement of Congress. That is dealing with foreign policy. As I also recall, the court cannot change boundaries of states, either. Such would be a violation of states' rights.

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From what I understand, that's the whole point.  Congress didn't nullify the treaty when creating the state the same way they laughed and tore up every other treaty we made with Native nations.  The key language wasn't there, Congress dropped the ball.  The SC didn't change anything, just ruled what was already there.  Since Congress never transferred the legal jurisdiction of those old Native lands to the State of Oklahoma, they're still under Federal Jurisdiction Judically, or the Muskogee Tribe.

The real issue is going to be with resources, as most of Oklahoma's gas and oil industry lies now on arguably Native Land.

Of course Congress could just come up with a new law to fix it, so it makes legal what everyone thought the borders were before, but good luck getting a Dem to vote on voiding a treaty in 2020.
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« Reply #397 on: July 24, 2020, 11:41:01 AM »
I would ask what is the Tribe's policy on pedos?   Because if it is something extremely harsh and barbaric, we can all call it a win if they have jurisdiction over the dude.

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« Reply #398 on: July 24, 2020, 11:56:09 AM »
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I would ask what is the Tribe's policy on pedos?   Because if it is something extremely harsh and barbaric, we can all call it a win if they have jurisdiction over the dude.

The Woke tribe? They love pedos... Oh, wait you were talking about The Tribe the judge just gave half of a state right? Sorry my bad.
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It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #399 on: August 09, 2020, 01:46:26 AM »
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #400 on: February 19, 2022, 06:20:03 PM »
The people who run the USA are not divided. They do not care what the general public want. The main factions are the limousine Left, represented by the ruling elite in the Democrat Party, and the Left fascists, who promote a Marxist friendly form of racism in the name of fighting racism and are trying very hard to overthrow the present government. For the most part, the limousine Left of the Democratic Party use these Left fascists in much the same way they once used the Ku Klux Klan and other white supremacist groups - as a militant faction to suppress dissent and to engage in extra-legal punishment of their political enemies, such as small business owners.

The limousine Left has their vision of the future, which will secure the power of this group for at least two or three generations. The rebellion of Trump, a long time Democrat supporter of the Clintons, demonstrated less the power of the Right so much as their irrelevance (a rebellious Democrat was literally able to take over their party). The victory of the Affordable Care Act and many other policies, and the complete impotence of the Trump administration underlines the utter powerlessness of Republicans and the tax peasants who support them. The January 6th "insurrection," which was so brutally and successful put down compared to the months of similar "mostly peaceful" riots, looting, arsons and murders of their Left fascist equivalent demonstrate the utter powerlessness of the alt-Right. During the Trump administration, the State Department simply ignored the instructions of the executive branch. The public school monopoly, dead set against charter schools let alone school choice, ostracized the Department of Education under Betsy DeVos. Black Lives Matter went out of their way to support the segregated school system enforced by the public schools. And so on.

It doesn't matter what you want. It matters what the main players want. The limousine Left wants to keep and expand their power base. The Left fascists want to overthrow the limousine Left. The Republicans are being co-opted by a rival Democrat family to the Clintons. The Democrats will continue to win elections, if necessary by creative vote counting and fast tracking illegal immigrants to battleground regions. The Left fascists will try to confound this process, but whenever they engage in unauthorized violence they will be treated like the Proud Boys. And that is that.

George Carlin had a good approximation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dY4WlxO6i0

Now add that the socialists are in league with the multinationals. It's what we call the Asian model of Marxism. Remember that the real purpose of socialism, right from the very beginning is and always has been the enrichment and empowerment of a small socialist elite, all at the expense of everyone else. The end state is something called "managerialism." For further details on what this system is and how it relates to the evolution of modern economies and politics, see "The Managerial Revolution" by James Burnham.

It's good that so many people here are RPG veterans, because this makes it easy to explain the mindset of the limousine Left. Did you ever run a high level party that "owned" a region of the gaming world? If a player got hurt or died, they would get the best healing potions and magic possible or get resurrected, regardless of the cost. Indeed, some of their gear cost more than the annual wealth output of whole villages. Your players might have been benevolent, or perhaps ran their peasant mobs like the players in KODT, but regardless they felt they were doing the best for "their" people. Any alternate forms of power would be identified and crushed, and a convenience excuse contrived, because those high level players knew what was best for their peasants. Perhaps they kept a convenient group of hounds or orcs or whatnot around, just in case the peasants got restless and needed a lesson in obedient servitude. And so on. Kinda like Arthur and Co in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Or like modern Cuba or Nicaragua.

So no balkanization, unless the high level players start fighting over the loot. And unless you figure out real fast how to get into power as a Democrat member of Congress or a Democrat governor, you're going to get to roleplay one of the tax peasants. Won't that be fun. Enjoy.
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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #401 on: April 11, 2022, 06:20:00 PM »
Here ya go. Made this up years ago.

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« Reply #402 on: April 11, 2022, 06:22:22 PM »
Slightly different version. ;)

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #403 on: April 11, 2022, 08:03:13 PM »
Indiana is too conservative to be in the Liberal zone. It’s basically the Middle Finger of the South.

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Re: It's time for the USA to balkanize. How can that happen peacefully?
« Reply #404 on: April 11, 2022, 08:10:48 PM »
Indiana is too conservative to be in the Liberal zone. It’s basically the Middle Finger of the South.

Don't waste your breath. Anyone who claims that the southeast United States is going to become the "New Confederacy" has their head so far up their ass that they can taste their own heartbeat.
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