Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[Brad]

Sadly, I must conclude you are correct. The militia types won't even peacefully protest -- the 2nd Amendment has just become a gun collecting fetish. The only people willing to do anything are on the Left, and it seems to me they have won.

Be nice until it's time to not be nice. Still not there yet.

Cf. Killdozer

[squirewaldo]

Sadly, I must conclude you are correct. The militia types won't even peacefully protest -- the 2nd Amendment has just become a gun collecting fetish. The only people willing to do anything are on the Left, and it seems to me they have won.

Be nice until it's time to not be nice. Still not there yet.

Cf. Killdozer

Ok. Let me know when we get there. Will it be when the cattle cars start taking us to re-education camps?

Just my opinion, but we got there a long time ago, and now it is too late. But what do I know?

[Ratman_tf]

As long as people have their Netflix and hot pockets, they'll stay complacent. Maybe grumble but not actually do anything.
The few "Strong men" who stand out will get hammered down while the masses cluck their tongues and comment about "Those survival prepper kooks."
Your best bet, IMO, is to hunker down and hope they don't come around for you before you croak.

[Garry G]

FFS you're all Kiero!

This is it then, you've been talking for years about how the world is ending because of stuff and your reaction is a whimper? The strongest comment is from Brad who doesn't want to stop being nice until some undefined time?

I'm not feeling the strong men thing here peeps!

[Howard]

FFS you're all Kiero!

This is it then, you've been talking for years about how the world is ending because of stuff and your reaction is a whimper? The strongest comment is from Brad who doesn't want to stop being nice until some undefined time?

I'm not feeling the string men thing here peeps!

Coming out and stating anything, even hypothetical, in a public forum is not a good survival strategy. Look at the overcharging of J6 folks vs. the undercharging of the '20 riots.

[Garry G]

FFS you're all Kiero!

This is it then, you've been talking for years about how the world is ending because of stuff and your reaction is a whimper? The strongest comment is from Brad who doesn't want to stop being nice until some undefined time?

I'm not feeling the string men thing here peeps!

Coming out and stating anything, even hypothetical, in a public forum is not a good survival strategy. Look at the overcharging of J6 folks vs. the undercharging of the '20 riots.

That's reasonable, it's okay to be feart strong men.

[Grognard GM]

FFS you're all Kiero!

This is it then, you've been talking for years about how the world is ending because of stuff and your reaction is a whimper? The strongest comment is from Brad who doesn't want to stop being nice until some undefined time?

I'm not feeling the string men thing here peeps!

Coming out and stating anything, even hypothetical, in a public forum is not a good survival strategy. Look at the overcharging of J6 folks vs. the undercharging of the '20 riots.

That's reasonable, it's okay to be feart strong men.

People like you make me wish that karma was real.

[Garry G]

FFS you're all Kiero!

This is it then, you've been talking for years about how the world is ending because of stuff and your reaction is a whimper? The strongest comment is from Brad who doesn't want to stop being nice until some undefined time?

I'm not feeling the string men thing here peeps!

Coming out and stating anything, even hypothetical, in a public forum is not a good survival strategy. Look at the overcharging of J6 folks vs. the undercharging of the '20 riots.

That's reasonable, it's okay to be feart strong men.

People like you make me wish that karma was real.

Because karma is free result of actually doing something?

[Eirikrautha]

FFS you're all Kiero!

This is it then, you've been talking for years about how the world is ending because of stuff and your reaction is a whimper? The strongest comment is from Brad who doesn't want to stop being nice until some undefined time?

I'm not feeling the string men thing here peeps!

Coming out and stating anything, even hypothetical, in a public forum is not a good survival strategy. Look at the overcharging of J6 folks vs. the undercharging of the '20 riots.

That's reasonable, it's okay to be feart strong men.

People like you make me wish that karma was real.

No need.  Watching someone who has never accomplished anything in their life of note urge others to action they'd never take is the height of humor.

[Kiero]

Debated in Parliament (and reported here):

Astonishing revelation by @ABridgen in this morning's today's Westminster Hall excess death debate:

It has been confirmed that @UKHSA holds data on C19 vaccine dosage dates and deaths, data which is critical to establishing the absence, or otherwise, of a causal link between excess deaths and the vaccines.  UKHSA has apparently released this data to Pfizer, Moderna and Astra Zeneca, but it has refused to release the data to the public.

This is incredible. As @ABridgen states:

"They've released our health data to Big Pharma but they won't release it to us...is it really too much to ask that the British public be given the same level of access to the relevant data given to big pharma companies..."

And also:

"The Covid Inquiry should be urgently looking at this issue instead they are wasting taxpayers' money... while people are dying...it is as if the Inquiry is so desperate not to find fault that they can't even look".

It is clear from the number of attendees in the Hall and the tone and content of the comments being made ("there is far more demand to speak in this debate than there is time" - @miriam_cates) that concern within Parliament is mounting.  Full summary to follow but @mariacaulfield, currently chewing her fingernails, appears not to be relishing the prospect of responding.

The UKHSA is the UK government's health protection agency. Apparently, they work for Big Pharma, not the citizens who pay for them.

[oggsmash]

  I do not think a time for violence (and IMO violence is acting to kill people, not street brawling, not shouting and not shoving) has arrived yet.   I do think there is a population that is getting very irritated.   I know, for fact, many of that population are doing all they can right now to be strong, fit, independent, well supplied.   Do I think there will be open revolution?  Doubtful.   Do I forsee massive internal collapse?  Much more possible.  I feel the strong men are preparing for the next phase more so than planning to die to convince insane people to not cut their kids sex organs off.  The nation as a whole is a loss regarding what it was built to be and how it was formed.  There is NO AMOUNT of political activism (which the loud mouth here screeches about...forgetting all his "activism" he engages in is institutionally endorsed) that is going to change the strange off the cliff trajectory of the United States.  Too much rot, demographic change (rapid fire forced demographic change), and mass levels of propaganda to accept "change".   But I think its a house built on sand.  It will rot and fall apart.   Already the military is losing its combat arms demographic in huge numbers.   I am not interested in storming the streets...its folly.  I am however raising Jane and John Conner. 

[squirewaldo]

  I do not think a time for violence (and IMO violence is acting to kill people, not street brawling, not shouting and not shoving) has arrived yet.   I do think there is a population that is getting very irritated.   I know, for fact, many of that population are doing all they can right now to be strong, fit, independent, well supplied.   Do I think there will be open revolution?  Doubtful.   Do I forsee massive internal collapse?  Much more possible.  I feel the strong men are preparing for the next phase more so than planning to die to convince insane people to not cut their kids sex organs off.  The nation as a whole is a loss regarding what it was built to be and how it was formed.  There is NO AMOUNT of political activism (which the loud mouth here screeches about...forgetting all his "activism" he engages in is institutionally endorsed) that is going to change the strange off the cliff trajectory of the United States.  Too much rot, demographic change (rapid fire forced demographic change), and mass levels of propaganda to accept "change".   But I think its a house built on sand.  It will rot and fall apart.   Already the military is losing its combat arms demographic in huge numbers.   I am not interested in storming the streets...its folly.  I am however raising Jane and John Conner.

My real problem with this, "We are not there yet..." is it implies a wholly passive attitude. A resolve to do nothing but wait until things get really really really bad. By that time it will be too late. I think the time has already come and gone to fix the USA with traditional non-violent means. We failed to honor our civic obligations when all we would have had to do is get involved in a peaceful way. I also think that the time to rise up and rebel against a tyrannical system has passed. There has been a revolution, and the revolution won -- they control every aspect of power. The only way to defeat a victorious revolution is to mount a counter-revolution. That will not happen. Counter-revolutions run just like revolutions... they require a committed leadership that works subversively to bring down the corrupt system and willing to break some eggs to make an omelette, as well as the cadres quietly moving among the people executing the subversion. We don't have either of those.

We are alone. No one will save us. We have to make decisions on our own about how to deal with these situations as best we can. IMHO

Good luck to everyone!

[Brad]

My real problem with this, "We are not there yet..." is it implies a wholly passive attitude.

Restating this: Be nice until it's time to not be nice. This is in no way passive whatsoever, it's the same thing as some dude trying to start shit with you in a bar, you keep ignoring him until it's time to crack his skull with a beer bottle. Waaaaay too many wannabes will engage in a shoving/shouting match; a lot of them don't care about getting thrown in jail overnight or having yet another line item on their rap sheet. People who have a lot to lose avoid trouble as much as possible until they cannot avoid trouble, then they act swiftly with great resolve. Rousing the guy who just wants to be left alone is a great folly because once he has decided he must either act or lose everything, he will not stop. It won't just be some riot that disperses and everyone goes home to post about it on reddit, it's going to be a concerted, directed effort that will not stop until the objective is complete. More concisely, don't poke the bear.

So we're not there yet. When we are, all the people you think are "passive" won't seem that way when they're sweeping streets with 00 buck.

[oggsmash]

  I do not think a time for violence (and IMO violence is acting to kill people, not street brawling, not shouting and not shoving) has arrived yet.   I do think there is a population that is getting very irritated.   I know, for fact, many of that population are doing all they can right now to be strong, fit, independent, well supplied.   Do I think there will be open revolution?  Doubtful.   Do I forsee massive internal collapse?  Much more possible.  I feel the strong men are preparing for the next phase more so than planning to die to convince insane people to not cut their kids sex organs off.  The nation as a whole is a loss regarding what it was built to be and how it was formed.  There is NO AMOUNT of political activism (which the loud mouth here screeches about...forgetting all his "activism" he engages in is institutionally endorsed) that is going to change the strange off the cliff trajectory of the United States.  Too much rot, demographic change (rapid fire forced demographic change), and mass levels of propaganda to accept "change".   But I think its a house built on sand.  It will rot and fall apart.   Already the military is losing its combat arms demographic in huge numbers.   I am not interested in storming the streets...its folly.  I am however raising Jane and John Conner.

My real problem with this, "We are not there yet..." is it implies a wholly passive attitude. A resolve to do nothing but wait until things get really really really bad. By that time it will be too late. I think the time has already come and gone to fix the USA with traditional non-violent means. We failed to honor our civic obligations when all we would have had to do is get involved in a peaceful way. I also think that the time to rise up and rebel against a tyrannical system has passed. There has been a revolution, and the revolution won -- they control every aspect of power. The only way to defeat a victorious revolution is to mount a counter-revolution. That will not happen. Counter-revolutions run just like revolutions... they require a committed leadership that works subversively to bring down the corrupt system and willing to break some eggs to make an omelette, as well as the cadres quietly moving among the people executing the subversion. We don't have either of those.

We are alone. No one will save us. We have to make decisions on our own about how to deal with these situations as best we can. IMHO

Good luck to everyone!

   There has been NO TIME for a violent revolution to rise.  Soldiers will do as they are told.  The USA military has been for a long time EXTREMELY powerful and would quickly crush any concentrations of revolution.  At no time was there a "civic" answer either, those options were long removed by propaganda arms that gave you decisions between pepsi and coke and that was it.  For there to be a mass action, especially from Right wing people, they need the "Morale Green light" and it will have to be really really bad for them to act because all other Morale options will have been exhausted.   In the meantime as we approach that position...the military is MUCH weaker than it has been in the past.  Police officers are leaving their posts and police departments are horribly understaffed.   The institutions that keep these insane tyrants in power are SEVERELY weakened and many who manned their ranks are now out with other jobs and new points of view about what is going on.   As for being alone...network with IRL people.  See just how alone you really are, because I can assure you in most places in the country you are not alone.   If you find its just you and your family...well exercise, lift weights, learn to fight, learn to shoot, store some food.  This is in reality about all you can do until it gets really bad, because it will have to get really bad for that morale green light to pop on for most people you would want on your side.   Raise Jane and John Conner and reach around where you live and see just how alone you really are.  I again assure you...you are not alone nor unique in your concerns.    Start a club that meets weekly.   If you are not even doing that....IMO you are the one asking for someone to come save you. 

[squirewaldo]

  I do not think a time for violence (and IMO violence is acting to kill people, not street brawling, not shouting and not shoving) has arrived yet.   I do think there is a population that is getting very irritated.   I know, for fact, many of that population are doing all they can right now to be strong, fit, independent, well supplied.   Do I think there will be open revolution?  Doubtful.   Do I forsee massive internal collapse?  Much more possible.  I feel the strong men are preparing for the next phase more so than planning to die to convince insane people to not cut their kids sex organs off.  The nation as a whole is a loss regarding what it was built to be and how it was formed.  There is NO AMOUNT of political activism (which the loud mouth here screeches about...forgetting all his "activism" he engages in is institutionally endorsed) that is going to change the strange off the cliff trajectory of the United States.  Too much rot, demographic change (rapid fire forced demographic change), and mass levels of propaganda to accept "change".   But I think its a house built on sand.  It will rot and fall apart.   Already the military is losing its combat arms demographic in huge numbers.   I am not interested in storming the streets...its folly.  I am however raising Jane and John Conner.

My real problem with this, "We are not there yet..." is it implies a wholly passive attitude. A resolve to do nothing but wait until things get really really really bad. By that time it will be too late. I think the time has already come and gone to fix the USA with traditional non-violent means. We failed to honor our civic obligations when all we would have had to do is get involved in a peaceful way. I also think that the time to rise up and rebel against a tyrannical system has passed. There has been a revolution, and the revolution won -- they control every aspect of power. The only way to defeat a victorious revolution is to mount a counter-revolution. That will not happen. Counter-revolutions run just like revolutions... they require a committed leadership that works subversively to bring down the corrupt system and willing to break some eggs to make an omelette, as well as the cadres quietly moving among the people executing the subversion. We don't have either of those.

We are alone. No one will save us. We have to make decisions on our own about how to deal with these situations as best we can. IMHO

Good luck to everyone!

   There has been NO TIME for a violent revolution to rise.  Soldiers will do as they are told.  The USA military has been for a long time EXTREMELY powerful and would quickly crush any concentrations of revolution.  At no time was there a "civic" answer either, those options were long removed by propaganda arms that gave you decisions between pepsi and coke and that was it.  For there to be a mass action, especially from Right wing people, they need the "Morale Green light" and it will have to be really really bad for them to act because all other Morale options will have been exhausted.   In the meantime as we approach that position...the military is MUCH weaker than it has been in the past.  Police officers are leaving their posts and police departments are horribly understaffed.   The institutions that keep these insane tyrants in power are SEVERELY weakened and many who manned their ranks are now out with other jobs and new points of view about what is going on.   As for being alone...network with IRL people.  See just how alone you really are, because I can assure you in most places in the country you are not alone.   If you find its just you and your family...well exercise, lift weights, learn to fight, learn to shoot, store some food.  This is in reality about all you can do until it gets really bad, because it will have to get really bad for that morale green light to pop on for most people you would want on your side.   Raise Jane and John Conner and reach around where you live and see just how alone you really are.  I again assure you...you are not alone nor unique in your concerns.    Start a club that meets weekly.   If you are not even doing that....IMO you are the one asking for someone to come save you.

No need to worry about me. I have already decided what to do and did it.

The wheels on the bus have been wobbling for a very long time. Now it is too late to fix them. Things are going to start falling apart and there is no one who will put the pieces back together. If there was a time to fix things, that time is passed.

Again, we are all alone. You go join a club. I have already found my solution, and it is working out very well for me. I am not waiting for patriots, or leaders, or my fellow Americans to help me or anyone else. None of that is going to happen.

I have decided what to do. And I did it. I don't need to talk to anyone to come up with excuses as to why I am not going to act to preserve myself and my family.

Take care and best of luck!