Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[Klava]

how did she find out it was a side effect of taking the injection?

Most likely, because the only intervention out of the ordinary was the jab.

Ah. So there's no actual evidence, things just happened one after another, so she assumed they were related? Okay.

[Kiero]

Ah. So there's no actual evidence, things just happened one after another, so she assumed they were related? Okay.

Aw, they still make them like you? Keep on working that cognitive dissonance, I'm sure your jabs are just fine.

[Klava]

Aw, they still make them like you? Keep on working that cognitive dissonance, I'm sure your jabs are just fine.

uh huh. i, personally, had no side effects. and neither had any of those people that i know personally. and you provided no evidence for your claims, so... meh?

[Fheredin]

Aw, they still make them like you? Keep on working that cognitive dissonance, I'm sure your jabs are just fine.

uh huh. i, personally, had no side effects. and neither had any of those people that i know personally. and you provided no evidence for your claims, so... meh?

Well, let's actually ask some experts, shall we?

These are both doctors I started following at the start of the pandemic. Dr. Campbell (the second vid) was originally strongly for the jab and late last year he abruptly changed his tune. He now has multiple videos discussing excess deaths not attributable to COVID.

[GamerSince77]

Real experts don't need to post monetized videos on YouTube. This is just more anti-vax grifting.

[Grognard GM]

Real experts don't need to post monetized videos on YouTube. This is just more anti-vax grifting.

Yeah, everyone knows the real experts are all fully funded by government or private interests, that's how you know they're real, unbiased experts.

[Klava]

Well, let's actually ask some experts, shall we?

every anti-vaxer i ever came across, including the "experts" you just linked to, had one thing is common - they had no scientifically sound and peer reviewed evidence for any of their claims.

did you at least follow the links they provided as "basis" for their bs? if you did not, do yourself a favor and do so. if you did... well... there's my point right there.

[Brad]

every anti-vaxer i ever came across, including the "experts" you just linked to, had one thing is common - they had no scientifically sound and peer reviewed evidence for any of their claims.

did you at least follow the links they provided as "basis" for their bs? if you did not, do yourself a favor and do so. if you did... well... there's my point right there.

Is this a joke?

[dkabq]

Well, let's actually ask some experts, shall we?

every anti-vaxer i ever came across, including the "experts" you just linked to, had one thing is common - they had no scientifically sound and peer reviewed evidence for any of their claims.

did you at least follow the links they provided as "basis" for their bs? if you did not, do yourself a favor and do so. if you did... well... there's my point right there.

Careful throwing stones...

No technical basis for lockdowns.

Ignoring the technical basis regarding masking: Cochrane 2020 and Cochrane 2023 stating, "Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference to the outcome of influenza-like illness (ILI)/COVID-19 like illness compared to not wearing masks".

No technical basis for ignoring natural immunity.

The results from a study of 9 mice as the basis for boosters.

[Fheredin]

Well, let's actually ask some experts, shall we?

every anti-vaxer i ever came across, including the "experts" you just linked to, had one thing is common - they had no scientifically sound and peer reviewed evidence for any of their claims.

did you at least follow the links they provided as "basis" for their bs? if you did not, do yourself a favor and do so. if you did... well... there's my point right there.

Welp, this one's easy enough.

Dr. Campbell's Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36602621/

Yup. That's a legit scholarly source on Pubmed.

Dr. Moran's sources:

https://www.mdpi.com/2414-6366/7/8/196

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/75/4/673/6445179?login=false

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-myocarditis-pericarditis-vaccines-epi.pdf?sc_lang=en

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00392-022-02129-5

Sources include official data from Public Health Ontario, Clinical Infectious Diseases, and The Lancet.

Now, I am aware of the Surgisphere fraud case where early in the Pandemic The Lancet published an article based on straight up fabricated data, but that was made with the specific intent of making Trump look bad in an election year. Before that The Lancet was considered the world's premiere medical journal. These sources are not CNN articles.

[Klava]

okay, i'm following the links from just the first "expert" for you:

>> findings might not be generalisable given the small sample size and further follow-up is needed for the subset of patients with atypical test results or not considered recovered.

>> In this observational study, clinically suspected myopericarditis was temporarily associated with the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine in a small proportion of adolescent patients. Chest pain is an alarming symptom in patients receiving BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccination, especially a second dose of BNT162b2. The risk for these symptoms was found to be higher than reported elsewhere. The adverse cardiovascular manifestations observed in this adolescent cohort were both mild and transient.

>> Between 14 June 2021 and 4 September 2021, 33 Chinese adolescents who developed acute myocarditis/pericarditis following Comirnaty vaccination were identified. In total, 29 (87.88%) were male and 4 (12.12%) were female, with a median age of 15.25 years. And 27 (81.82%) and 6 (18.18%) cases developed acute myocarditis/pericarditis after receiving the second and first dose, respectively. All cases are mild and required only conservative management.

>> we cannot provide a definitive functional proof or a direct causal link between vaccination and myocarditis.

so, where's the bloody evidence again? the last one pretty much sums it all up. you cannot just use statistics of before-and-after kind as evidence if you are to do anything like ANYTHING scientific at all. statistics is nothing but a cause to do more research, and to this day i've not seen enough of that - just a lot of politics, hype riding and click bait.

[Klava]

Careful throwing stones...

don't pin that stuff on me. i've never said that they didn't cut corners and neither did i claim they handled it well - they definitely didn't. i'm just talking vaccines here - you know, stuff madd using general knowledge and technology thanks to which none of us here had their kids' lives destroyed by small pox or polio.

[Fheredin]

okay, i'm following the links from just the first "expert" for you:

>> findings might not be generalisable given the small sample size and further follow-up is needed for the subset of patients with atypical test results or not considered recovered.

>> In this observational study, clinically suspected myopericarditis was temporarily associated with the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine in a small proportion of adolescent patients. Chest pain is an alarming symptom in patients receiving BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccination, especially a second dose of BNT162b2. The risk for these symptoms was found to be higher than reported elsewhere. The adverse cardiovascular manifestations observed in this adolescent cohort were both mild and transient.

>> Between 14 June 2021 and 4 September 2021, 33 Chinese adolescents who developed acute myocarditis/pericarditis following Comirnaty vaccination were identified. In total, 29 (87.88%) were male and 4 (12.12%) were female, with a median age of 15.25 years. And 27 (81.82%) and 6 (18.18%) cases developed acute myocarditis/pericarditis after receiving the second and first dose, respectively. All cases are mild and required only conservative management.

>> we cannot provide a definitive functional proof or a direct causal link between vaccination and myocarditis.

so, where's the bloody evidence again? the last one pretty much sums it all up. you cannot just use statistics of before-and-after kind as evidence if you are to do anything like ANYTHING scientific at all. statistics is nothing but a cause to do more research, and to this day i've not seen enough of that - just a lot of politics, hype riding and click bait.

I don't think you understand what you are reading. These are CYA statements which are pretty much standard academic practice when handling controversial material. Scientists and clinicians do not take personal responsibility for the findings they present, nor are they particularly keen on taking political fire.

[Brad]

don't pin that stuff on me. i've never said that they didn't cut corners and neither did i claim they handled it well - they definitely didn't. i'm just talking vaccines here - you know, stuff madd using general knowledge and technology thanks to which none of us here had their kids' lives destroyed by small pox or polio.

Tell me you're parroting MSM without telling me you're parroting MSM...

[Kiero]

uh huh. i, personally, had no side effects. and neither had any of those people that i know personally. and you provided no evidence for your claims, so... meh?

You've had no side effects...yet.

How long has it been? Maybe we should revisit this question in 5 years?

don't pin that stuff on me. i've never said that they didn't cut corners and neither did i claim they handled it well - they definitely didn't. i'm just talking vaccines here - you know, stuff madd using general knowledge and technology thanks to which none of us here had their kids' lives destroyed by small pox or polio.

mRNA jabs are not vaccines, which is why they had to change the definition in 2020. So don't go conflating them with the real thing, we're not that dumb.

Vaccines grant immunity from infection (see measles, et al). Every attempt to create a vaccine for the common cold failed. Which is why they came up with the mRNA wheeze, which unsurprisingly, doesn't work either.

More pertinently, of course, we never needed a vaccine for the sniffles. Which is what covid is. I've had it several times and had worse bouts of flu. And there all the paid-up shills were claiming it would be deadly for us unjabbed (which we knew wasn't the case, given the Diamond Princess proved covid was a nothingburger long before they rolled out any jabs).

I always have to ask you jabees, do you feel really, really stupid now? Having subjected yourself to a completely unnecessary and ineffective medical intervention with unknown medium and long term risks?