Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[Kiero]

But the Government isn't here and is an impersonal thing. Kiero is right here still doing it and you won't call him out for it, though you know he's a whack job.

You're an utter imbecile desperately trying to justify the cognitive dissonance you're feeling, knowing you've been duped into poisoning yourself and your children.

I haven't changed anything about myself or the way I live since 2020, yet I'm the "whackjob"? Please.

[Kiero]

I'm still hoping for sources at some point on some of this stuff. (Though the Reuters dude with the Pfizer board membership thing was definitively a thing, it seems.)

That said, I looked some points up online since you didn't have source material you were immediately sharing, and this study does seem to imply that shingles specifically might not be an issue: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8608757/ 

Though I also found this on immune response more generally for non-Covid things: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9167431/    (It references a study I couldn't find, but if the reference is correct it could be a problem for repeat mRNA vaccinators doing so on short timespan, immune-wise.)

Couldn't find anything for J&J dropping immune response, tho. I think I might go for that if the price is just paid upfront in whether or not the spike proteins produced by the viral vectors do damage or whatever? That said, I'll probably first hope to catch it again while I still have some degree of immunity from the prior catch cuz maybe that might happen, and presumably it gives longer for my spike protein setup(?) to reset in the meantime, I'd guess.

I'm a bit overweight and don't have great breathing stuff and the like, with some reportedly related preexisting conditions for COVID troubles, though I am young and working on my health, so that does factor in. From what I've heard COVID is weird too, in that it can have long term effects and mental stuff it can do to you even if it doesn't put you in the hospital or kill you.

That and it was pretty annoying even when I last had it in terms of symptoms and not being able to see people or go out in public and stuff. I get that J&J is maybe a minor risk short-term, but it sounds like if I don't get damaged on go #1 I'm probably fine and it makes life easier. I appreciate the concern and willingness to engage with me on your part, especially as I know we seem to have disagreements on some of our statistical positions. If I catch it again in time (which I might, seems pretty endemic) I presumably won't need to go in for a booster. But it also sounds like it might be worth it to pick J&J over mRNA for knowing quickly whether I'm affected long term.

If you or whoever else have more sources or points, though, I do at least try to stay informed and hear what different people have to say. This site has interesting discussions that bring me out of my bubble a bit, I feel. Thank y'all for being part of that.  (Now watch me somehow be part of the ~.04% who get myocarditis later on, in my case after already catching an instance of COVID after their original mRNA shot, making this whole conversation irrelevant, lol.   )

I've posted all sorts of stuff in this thread before. As a general rule, if it comes from government or industry sources, it's lies to support the profits they're making and the utterly corrupt way they've bent all the normal processes. I've mentioned Robert Malone, who pioneered the mRNA techniques (and now regrets being jabbed twice), look up the lectures online from JJ Couey (an actual immunologist) who explains the mechanisms by which the jabs work. In particular the shocking things they do.

Unless you're over 70, your actual risk from a covid infection is in the range of fuck all. It's bad flu at worst. However, if you've been jabbed, that calculation changes (look at the UKHSA reports churned out every week showing the awful outcomes for the jabbed in terms of hospitalisation and death "with" covid). The jabs were supposed to prevent those outcomes, but they patently don't. That's without the documented rise in all-cause mortality (often from strokes, heart attack and so on) that have already appeared, and we haven't a clue how much cancer is being caused by mRNA.

The mRNA jabs break the sterilising immune system, which is why the jabbed keep getting covid again and again. They also appear to remove prior immunity, which is why shingles, smallpox and other diseases are having outbreaks. The spike protein causes endolithial damage, which is why the increase in heart attacks, strokes and so on. That's also the root of the observed myocarditis and pericarditis (which contrary to MSM bollocks is not "temporary" but life-limiting) in young people and athletes.

That last one was more than enough to warn me off every going near the fucking things, I have much more in common with a young athlete than I do some 80-something. Being fit and healthy appears to accelerate and amplify the damage caused, which is why we're seeing so many sports people suddenly dying and retiring because they can no longer compete.

You seem to be missing my central point thought: STOP GETTING JABBED. There is no benefit from any of them, unless getting a check on the digital ID system matters to you. There is no health benefit, whatsoever, and you roll the dice on adverse effects.

On that point, just because you can't see an immediate harm, doesn't mean you're not storing it up for the future. As I said, this is a novel, new technology which hasn't even been trialled, that's happening right now. They literally have no idea what the medium-term or long-term effects are going to be.

Luc Montagnier, a Nobel-prize winning French virologist who died recently, thought in 3-5 years everyone jabbed would be dead. I hope he's wrong, but the thing to consider is that amongst the people who've been pushing all this shit are those with the "Depop" agenda who think there are too many people on the planet.

[SHARK]

I'm still hoping for sources at some point on some of this stuff. (Though the Reuters dude with the Pfizer board membership thing was definitively a thing, it seems.)

That said, I looked some points up online since you didn't have source material you were immediately sharing, and this study does seem to imply that shingles specifically might not be an issue: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8608757/ 

Though I also found this on immune response more generally for non-Covid things: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9167431/    (It references a study I couldn't find, but if the reference is correct it could be a problem for repeat mRNA vaccinators doing so on short timespan, immune-wise.)

Couldn't find anything for J&J dropping immune response, tho. I think I might go for that if the price is just paid upfront in whether or not the spike proteins produced by the viral vectors do damage or whatever? That said, I'll probably first hope to catch it again while I still have some degree of immunity from the prior catch cuz maybe that might happen, and presumably it gives longer for my spike protein setup(?) to reset in the meantime, I'd guess.

I'm a bit overweight and don't have great breathing stuff and the like, with some reportedly related preexisting conditions for COVID troubles, though I am young and working on my health, so that does factor in. From what I've heard COVID is weird too, in that it can have long term effects and mental stuff it can do to you even if it doesn't put you in the hospital or kill you.

That and it was pretty annoying even when I last had it in terms of symptoms and not being able to see people or go out in public and stuff. I get that J&J is maybe a minor risk short-term, but it sounds like if I don't get damaged on go #1 I'm probably fine and it makes life easier. I appreciate the concern and willingness to engage with me on your part, especially as I know we seem to have disagreements on some of our statistical positions. If I catch it again in time (which I might, seems pretty endemic) I presumably won't need to go in for a booster. But it also sounds like it might be worth it to pick J&J over mRNA for knowing quickly whether I'm affected long term.

If you or whoever else have more sources or points, though, I do at least try to stay informed and hear what different people have to say. This site has interesting discussions that bring me out of my bubble a bit, I feel. Thank y'all for being part of that.  (Now watch me somehow be part of the ~.04% who get myocarditis later on, in my case after already catching an instance of COVID after their original mRNA shot, making this whole conversation irrelevant, lol.   )

I've posted all sorts of stuff in this thread before. As a general rule, if it comes from government or industry sources, it's lies to support the profits they're making and the utterly corrupt way they've bent all the normal processes. I've mentioned Robert Malone, who pioneered the mRNA techniques (and now regrets being jabbed twice), look up the lectures online from JJ Couey (an actual immunologist) who explains the mechanisms by which the jabs work. In particular the shocking things they do.

Unless you're over 70, your actual risk from a covid infection is in the range of fuck all. It's bad flu at worst. However, if you've been jabbed, that calculation changes (look at the UKHSA reports churned out every week showing the awful outcomes for the jabbed in terms of hospitalisation and death "with" covid). The jabs were supposed to prevent those outcomes, but they patently don't. That's without the documented rise in all-cause mortality (often from strokes, heart attack and so on) that have already appeared, and we haven't a clue how much cancer is being caused by mRNA.

The mRNA jabs break the sterilising immune system, which is why the jabbed keep getting covid again and again. They also appear to remove prior immunity, which is why shingles, smallpox and other diseases are having outbreaks. The spike protein causes endolithial damage, which is why the increase in heart attacks, strokes and so on. That's also the root of the observed myocarditis and pericarditis (which contrary to MSM bollocks is not "temporary" but life-limiting) in young people and athletes.

That last one was more than enough to warn me off every going near the fucking things, I have much more in common with a young athlete than I do some 80-something. Being fit and healthy appears to accelerate and amplify the damage caused, which is why we're seeing so many sports people suddenly dying and retiring because they can no longer compete.

You seem to be missing my central point thought: STOP GETTING JABBED. There is no benefit from any of them, unless getting a check on the digital ID system matters to you. There is no health benefit, whatsoever, and you roll the dice on adverse effects.

On that point, just because you can't see an immediate harm, doesn't mean you're not storing it up for the future. As I said, this is a novel, new technology which hasn't even been trialled, that's happening right now. They literally have no idea what the medium-term or long-term effects are going to be.

Luc Montagnier, a Nobel-prize winning French virologist who died recently, thought in 3-5 years everyone jabbed would be dead. I hope he's wrong, but the thing to consider is that amongst the people who've been pushing all this shit are those with the "Depop" agenda who think there are too many people on the planet.

Greetings!

Excellent commentary, Kiero! Very interesting. I think it is important to stay informed, and to actually listen to different ideas and perspectives. Thank you! Keep up the good work! Many people are in denial, Kiero, and prefer to stay, living in their bubble. They don't want to hear the truth, and don't like it one bit when someone comes along and presents the truth to them. They get angry and bitter very quickly, defensive and all too eager to have the truth-tellers stoned and killed.

You have to remember, many people are globalists. They like the idea of an all-powerful, mommy government controlling everything and everyone. They want to be slaves. They love tyranny, and see themselves somehow as being part of the tyrannical system, and somehow therefore benefitting.

Sad, but true. There are many people eager to see you and others that resist the "Official Narratives" to be silenced and crushed. These globalists are terrible people. They are hateful scum. They love tyranny and yearn to be slaves to the tyrant mommy government.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Mistwell]

True. I am not going to forgive you for all the nonsense conspiracy theories you were peddling here.

Fuck you. I never threatened anyone's livelihood or ability to function, or threatened to ostracise them from society because they didn't comply with the jab.

Virtually all of my "conspiracy theories" have proven to be true. Unlike the fallacious narrative morons like you slavishly lapped up.

No really, they were not true. They were never true. Some of them even contradicted each other and had no internal consistency even in theory. They were completely paranoid and moronic. And guys like you probably did end in killing people indirectly by spreading falsehoods and convincing people who otherwise would have gotten the vaccine to not get it. Because you were not just casually disagreeing, you were actively telling people it was all lies and intended to do actual harm and claiming the vaccine was making people more susceptible to Covid and making Covid worse for those people who had been vaccinated and that the vaccine itself was resulting in mass death, all lies that can persuade someone to engage in more dangerous behavior even if they're elderly or have underlying conditions.

And you're not accountable to anyone for that behavior. 90% of people even here didn't agree with your madness but even they won't hold you accountable for it thinking "he's has a right to his bad opinion" is the same as "he shouldn't be told it's bad to do it for spreading that bad opinion."

I am far more concerned about the government and media spreading bad information about Covid that directly got people killed.

But the Government isn't here and is an impersonal thing. Kiero is right here still doing it and you won't call him out for it, though you know he's a whack job.

Yes. This is a personal thing between you and Kiero. Don't go looking for me to validate either of your positions.

Fair nuff

[dkabq]

SHOCKING - Finnish covid deaths OVER REPORTED by 62%
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/finland-overreported

[Kiero]

SHOCKING - Finnish covid deaths OVER REPORTED by 62%
https://petersweden.substack.com/p/finland-overreported

Just as I've been saying all along, hugely exaggerated "covid deaths" figures to bolster the fallacious narrative.

[DefNotAnInsiderNopeNoWay]

Holy shit, you idiots never learn, do you? SUBSTACK, especially one run by an amateur photographer, alt-right influencer, and holocaust denier is not a valid source, and the fact that you don't already know this shines a 20k-lumen torch on just how desperately stupid and stuck in an echo chamber you are.

[dkabq]

Holy shit, you idiots never learn, do you? SUBSTACK, especially one run by an amateur photographer, alt-right influencer, and holocaust denier is not a valid source, and the fact that you don't already know this shines a 20k-lumen torch on just how desperately stupid and stuck in an echo chamber you are.

I looked though the articles in the Substack in question and did not see any alt-right or holocaust denial, or any amateur photography. And even if there was, the information cited in the article is stated as being from the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare. I found article in Yle News (the Finish version of NPR) that corroborates what is in the Substack article:
https://yle.fi/news/3-12668492
https://yle.fi/aihe/s/about-yle/public-service

Even the CDC director has admited that "deaths with covid" can be reported as "deaths from covid"
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1393919639449649154

Is is all of Substack that you think cannot be a valid source? Or just this Peter Imanuelsen guy?

[3catcircus]

Holy shit, you idiots never learn, do you? SUBSTACK, especially one run by an amateur photographer, alt-right influencer, and holocaust denier is not a valid source, and the fact that you don't already know this shines a 20k-lumen torch on just how desperately stupid and stuck in an echo chamber you are.

I looked though the articles in the Substack in question and did not see any alt-right or holocaust denial, or any amateur photography. And even if there was, the information cited in the article is stated as being from the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare. I found article in Yle News (the Finish version of NPR) that corroborates what is in the Substack article:
https://yle.fi/news/3-12668492
https://yle.fi/aihe/s/about-yle/public-service

Even the CDC director has admited that "deaths with covid" can be reported as "deaths from covid"
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1393919639449649154

Is is all of Substack that you think cannot be a valid source? Or just this Peter Imanuelsen guy?

C'mon, man! Don't you know that amateur photographers are all highly suspect?!?!

[Daztur]

Holy shit, you idiots never learn, do you? SUBSTACK, especially one run by an amateur photographer, alt-right influencer, and holocaust denier is not a valid source, and the fact that you don't already know this shines a 20k-lumen torch on just how desperately stupid and stuck in an echo chamber you are.

I looked though the articles in the Substack in question and did not see any alt-right or holocaust denial, or any amateur photography. And even if there was, the information cited in the article is stated as being from the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare. I found article in Yle News (the Finish version of NPR) that corroborates what is in the Substack article:
https://yle.fi/news/3-12668492
https://yle.fi/aihe/s/about-yle/public-service

Even the CDC director has admited that "deaths with covid" can be reported as "deaths from covid"
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1393919639449649154

Is is all of Substack that you think cannot be a valid source? Or just this Peter Imanuelsen guy?

C'mon, man! Don't you know that amateur photographers are all highly suspect?!?!

Take a look at some of his archived tweets, he's almost as much of a loon as Kiero: https://web.archive.org/web/20160428205144/https://twitter.com/PeterSweden7

[dkabq]

Holy shit, you idiots never learn, do you? SUBSTACK, especially one run by an amateur photographer, alt-right influencer, and holocaust denier is not a valid source, and the fact that you don't already know this shines a 20k-lumen torch on just how desperately stupid and stuck in an echo chamber you are.

I looked though the articles in the Substack in question and did not see any alt-right or holocaust denial, or any amateur photography. And even if there was, the information cited in the article is stated as being from the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare. I found article in Yle News (the Finish version of NPR) that corroborates what is in the Substack article:
https://yle.fi/news/3-12668492
https://yle.fi/aihe/s/about-yle/public-service

Even the CDC director has admited that "deaths with covid" can be reported as "deaths from covid"
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1393919639449649154

Is is all of Substack that you think cannot be a valid source? Or just this Peter Imanuelsen guy?

C'mon, man! Don't you know that amateur photographers are all highly suspect?!?!

Take a look at some of his archived tweets, he's almost as much of a loon as Kiero: https://web.archive.org/web/20160428205144/https://twitter.com/PeterSweden7

Ok. Let's go with he's an alt-right, holocaust denier. That does not impute the information in that Substack article, which comes from Yle.

[Zelen]

Take a look at some of his archived tweets, he's almost as much of a loon as Kiero:

He seems to know that men have penises, and that women have vaginas. Seems sane to me.

[KindaMeh]

Holy shit, you idiots never learn, do you? SUBSTACK, especially one run by an amateur photographer, alt-right influencer, and holocaust denier is not a valid source, and the fact that you don't already know this shines a 20k-lumen torch on just how desperately stupid and stuck in an echo chamber you are.

I looked though the articles in the Substack in question and did not see any alt-right or holocaust denial, or any amateur photography. And even if there was, the information cited in the article is stated as being from the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare. I found article in Yle News (the Finish version of NPR) that corroborates what is in the Substack article:
https://yle.fi/news/3-12668492
https://yle.fi/aihe/s/about-yle/public-service

Even the CDC director has admited that "deaths with covid" can be reported as "deaths from covid"
https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1393919639449649154

Is is all of Substack that you think cannot be a valid source? Or just this Peter Imanuelsen guy?

C'mon, man! Don't you know that amateur photographers are all highly suspect?!?!

Take a look at some of his archived tweets, he's almost as much of a loon as Kiero: https://web.archive.org/web/20160428205144/https://twitter.com/PeterSweden7

Ok. Let's go with he's an alt-right, holocaust denier. That does not impute the information in that Substack article, which comes from Yle.

Agreed. I don't like either of those two things, or think them correct. But if a source is a study or based on one or more such things, I say look at the methodology and not just the publisher before dismissing it. That's part of why I say my sources on COVID mortality, including with respect to vaccination rates and the like, still stand. Though I also do think Kiero and his stuff helped me feel less safe about the long term effects of mRNA and even more recently J&J. (Though that latter one still seems better to me, and with the sources I posted may be worth it for me if I don't get reinfected anytime soon instead, specifically in my own opinion and preferences, which I feel all are entitled to. Admittedly it's not just the kill rate that worries me too, admittedly unlikely hospitalization as well as longhauler stuff and mental effects seem like risks in a constantly applied game of roulette.)

I also always suspected that Trump's 1% kill quote on COVID early in the game was correct, because a lot of people probably didn't test for it or bother going in when they had it. This confirms my suspicions, and makes me feel like whatever science was used to justify unjustifiable lockdowns and mandates was off the mark, which my subconscious Confirmation Bias approves of. 

[oggsmash]

  What is the definition of a holocaust denier?  I have seen that moniker tossed around for things that did not involve denying of the holocaust.   I would like a detailed definition of that that means exactly.  Maybe one for white supremacist and racist as well.  Why we are at it, get one on paper for alt right.  Because those words seem to cover broader and broader varieties of people/actions all the time.

[Kiero]

Take a look at some of his archived tweets, he's almost as much of a loon as Kiero: https://web.archive.org/web/20160428205144/https://twitter.com/PeterSweden7

I didn't change the way I lived in 2020, but of course I'm the loon...