Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[Ratman_tf]

Very cool! Boston University researchers are taking the Omicron spike protein and adding it to SarsCov-2 (link):

"In K18-hACE2 mice, while Omicron causes mild, non-fatal infection, the Omicron S-carrying virus inflicts severe disease with a mortality rate of 80%."

I can't even put my reaction into words...

[Mistwell]

Really telling how quiet all the mask and vax advocates are being now that everything they wanted is shown to be definitively a failure, and in most cases, actually harmful.

Your ongoing insanity in claiming the vax did nothing despite massive scientific evidence it did is not in fact an excuse for you to claim it was "shown to be a definitive failure" because you saw some stupid shit on Twitter which confirmed your bias.

[oggsmash]

Really telling how quiet all the mask and vax advocates are being now that everything they wanted is shown to be definitively a failure, and in most cases, actually harmful.

Your ongoing insanity in claiming the vax did nothing despite massive scientific evidence it did is not in fact an excuse for you to claim it was "shown to be a definitive failure" because you saw some stupid shit on Twitter which confirmed your bias.

   Then keep hitting your boosters and keep on trucking.  What is good for you is not good or necessary for me.

[Mistwell]

Really telling how quiet all the mask and vax advocates are being now that everything they wanted is shown to be definitively a failure, and in most cases, actually harmful.

Your ongoing insanity in claiming the vax did nothing despite massive scientific evidence it did is not in fact an excuse for you to claim it was "shown to be a definitive failure" because you saw some stupid shit on Twitter which confirmed your bias.

   Then keep hitting your boosters and keep on trucking.  What is good for you is not good or necessary for me.

And that's fine with me. I am not a guy who was advocating anyone should be forced to vax. My named was mentioned so I responded.

[oggsmash]

  If you are reading what they said, they did in fact make the point the vax was never tested regarding efficacy regarding spreading the virus, despite being marketed HEAVILY as stopping the spread.  After the fact it became "surviving" the virus, and then advocates made the case you will be killing people in car wrecks because resources are tied up from people in ICU's due to covid.   The attempt to constantly move goalposts as to why people should get vaxxed, including making people get vaxxed to keep their jobs and many people....possibly including any speaking up now....stating that an employer had the right to force a vax on an employee to stay employed despite the vax largely being experimental compared to pretty much every other vax released to the public the past 50 years. 


   So boil it down as tight as you want and say the vax scientifically did "something" if you like, but  that is not exactly a strong case to force it or attempt to lecture people about getting it.  Same with masks.

[jhkim]

  If you are reading what they said, they did in fact make the point the vax was never tested regarding efficacy regarding spreading the virus, despite being marketed HEAVILY as stopping the spread.

My understanding is that it's difficult and ethically questionable to directly test transmissibility. With individuals, you have people who volunteer, and you can give them double-blind vaccine or placebo. You then have a list of people to check their viral load and their survival on months later if they are accidentally exposed. There's a defined set of people to test.

To directly check transmission, though, you need to double-blind dose people, wait for them to get infected, and then contact trace everyone who they come into contact with after. Contact tracing can be very difficult in high statistics with thousands of people living real lives, and the people they expose were not volunteers.

This isn't my field, though, so I'm open to correction.

I never got the impression that the vaccine would stop the spread, any more than it was absolute protection. I was told by my doctor and medical friends that it was projected to improve one's odds by a significant factor.

[Ratman_tf]

I never got the impression that the vaccine would stop the spread,

[dkabq]

Infectious disease expert: All of us being vaccinated stops COVID spread | Ohio State Medical Center
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2o28wu7As8

Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine prevents spread of COVID from person to person
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xcur3kwCyg

Fauci: If You're Vaccinated, You're Safe. If You're Not, You're At Risk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrjMLONm-Bw

[oggsmash]

  If you are reading what they said, they did in fact make the point the vax was never tested regarding efficacy regarding spreading the virus, despite being marketed HEAVILY as stopping the spread.

My understanding is that it's difficult and ethically questionable to directly test transmissibility. With individuals, you have people who volunteer, and you can give them double-blind vaccine or placebo. You then have a list of people to check their viral load and their survival on months later if they are accidentally exposed. There's a defined set of people to test.

To directly check transmission, though, you need to double-blind dose people, wait for them to get infected, and then contact trace everyone who they come into contact with after. Contact tracing can be very difficult in high statistics with thousands of people living real lives, and the people they expose were not volunteers.

This isn't my field, though, so I'm open to correction.

I never got the impression that the vaccine would stop the spread, any more than it was absolute protection. I was told by my doctor and medical friends that it was projected to improve one's odds by a significant factor.

  You never got the impression by the people who are supposed to know, like Fauci constantly saying it would stop spreading?    No one said anything about improving odds until everyone getting jabbed kept getting Covid.  Come one now at least be honest as to how this all happened.  It was mis represented and pushed as such and the story (as well as the CDC's definition of vaccine changed) changed once we all got a chance to see it seemed to do very little to keep anyone from catching it.

   Now I can understand if you personally knew it was not going to stop the spread (this was common sense given speed of mutation)  but you seem to be acting as if you never heard or got an impression from some authority at any point, on the talking box that the vax was there to stop the spread..... weird.

[dkabq]

Really telling how quiet all the mask and vax advocates are being now that everything they wanted is shown to be definitively a failure, and in most cases, actually harmful.

Your ongoing insanity in claiming the vax did nothing despite massive scientific evidence it did is not in fact an excuse for you to claim it was "shown to be a definitive failure" because you saw some stupid shit on Twitter which confirmed your bias.

   Then keep hitting your boosters and keep on trucking.  What is good for you is not good or necessary for me.

And that's fine with me. I am not a guy who was advocating anyone should be forced to vax. My named was mentioned so I responded.

I believe that it was Happy Daze who was arguing for vaccine mandates, and that threatening to fire you from your job if you did not get vaccinated was not "using force". But I am too lazy to go back through the covid topics to verify.

[Kiero]

Your ongoing insanity in claiming the vax did nothing despite massive scientific evidence it did is not in fact an excuse for you to claim it was "shown to be a definitive failure" because you saw some stupid shit on Twitter which confirmed your bias.

Over 90% of the people dying "with" covid have had two, three or even four jabs. That's not "stupid shit on Twitter", that's from the official statistics produced every week by the UKHSA.

The jabs don't do a fucking thing. Don't stop you dying. Don't prevent infection. Don't stop people spreading the virus. Not that they were ever necessary, because for 99% of people, coronavirus is nothing more than the sniffles.

[Mistwell]

  If you are reading what they said, they did in fact make the point the vax was never tested regarding efficacy regarding spreading the virus, despite being marketed HEAVILY as stopping the spread.  After the fact it became "surviving" the virus, and then advocates made the case you will be killing people in car wrecks because resources are tied up from people in ICU's due to covid.   The attempt to constantly move goalposts as to why people should get vaxxed, including making people get vaxxed to keep their jobs and many people....possibly including any speaking up now....stating that an employer had the right to force a vax on an employee to stay employed despite the vax largely being experimental compared to pretty much every other vax released to the public the past 50 years. 


   So boil it down as tight as you want and say the vax scientifically did "something" if you like, but  that is not exactly a strong case to force it or attempt to lecture people about getting it.  Same with masks.

Vax and masks help, and I think that's good enough basis to tell others about whatever help the offer.

I am not in favor of forcing anyone (I just said that in fact).

But I don't give a crap if you don't like lecturing. I hear plenty of lecturing I don't agree with or like. Hell half the posts in this part of the forum are attempts to lecture people. You're going to have to learn to deal with lecturing from others that you disagree with because that's just part of life.

[Mistwell]

Your ongoing insanity in claiming the vax did nothing despite massive scientific evidence it did is not in fact an excuse for you to claim it was "shown to be a definitive failure" because you saw some stupid shit on Twitter which confirmed your bias.

Over 90% of the people dying "with" covid have had two, three or even four jabs. That's not "stupid shit on Twitter", that's from the official statistics produced every week by the UKHSA.

The jabs don't do a fucking thing. Don't stop you dying. Don't prevent infection. Don't stop people spreading the virus. Not that they were ever necessary, because for 99% of people, coronavirus is nothing more than the sniffles.

This does not demonstrate the point you think it does, you dumb fuck.

[Kiero]

This does not demonstrate the point you think it does, you dumb fuck.

Says the fucker dumb enough to still believe all this utter horseshit almost three years after it's been proven to be false.

Why am I not dead, despite following none of the guidance, having never been masked or jabbed, and having had covid several times?

[Mistwell]

This does not demonstrate the point you think it does, you dumb fuck.

Says the fucker dumb enough to still believe all this utter horseshit almost three years after it's been proven to be false.

Why am I not dead, despite following none of the guidance, having never been masked or jabbed, and having had covid several times?

The fact you cannot work out for yourself the answer to that last question demonstrates to everyone here just how fucking dumb you are. This level of logic is obvious to a 3rd grader but you don't grok it. I mean at this point I have to wonder if I am being overly harsh to someone with special needs and should adjust my tone to be kinder.