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Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

Started by Spinachcat, August 02, 2021, 11:31:32 PM

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Ghostmaker

Welp, Justin 'Fidel Jr.' Trudeau pulled the trigger and activated the Emergencies Act.

Not really a surprise, though. He was looking weaker by the minute. What's interesting is just how far reaching it is -- allowing banks to freeze any assets if your social media shows support for the protests, for example. So much for free speech in Canada, eh?

oggsmash

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 15, 2022, 09:50:22 AM
Welp, Justin 'Fidel Jr.' Trudeau pulled the trigger and activated the Emergencies Act.

Not really a surprise, though. He was looking weaker by the minute. What's interesting is just how far reaching it is -- allowing banks to freeze any assets if your social media shows support for the protests, for example. So much for free speech in Canada, eh?

  Well, he gets knocked out by punches that miss him.  I am not too shocked he pulled the martial law card.  Free speech and the right to assemble is strongly tied to what you assemble for.   Burn a building...mostly peaceful protest, honk a horn...domestic terrorism.   

   I give him this though, had this happened in the USA, that trigger gets pulled a lot quicker.

Zirunel

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 15, 2022, 09:50:22 AM
Welp, Justin 'Fidel Jr.' Trudeau pulled the trigger and activated the Emergencies Act.

Not really a surprise, though. He was looking weaker by the minute. What's interesting is just how far reaching it is -- allowing banks to freeze any assets if your social media shows support for the protests, for example. So much for free speech in Canada, eh?

Yeah the Emergencies Act is pretty expansive. Not martial law, not unlimited powers, but expansive. I'm pretty sure no one could have their bank accounts frozen just for tweeting support, you need to be transferring financial or material support for that to happen, but still...it's never been invoked before so who knows where this goes.

I'll agree Trudeau has looked weak, although municipal and especially provincial  governments have as well. Something like 75% of Canadians want the blockades and occupations ended decisively, by force if necessary, and all levels of government and law enforcement, including federal, have looked impotent to deliver that.

oggsmash

Quote from: Zirunel on February 15, 2022, 01:17:14 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 15, 2022, 09:50:22 AM
Welp, Justin 'Fidel Jr.' Trudeau pulled the trigger and activated the Emergencies Act.

Not really a surprise, though. He was looking weaker by the minute. What's interesting is just how far reaching it is -- allowing banks to freeze any assets if your social media shows support for the protests, for example. So much for free speech in Canada, eh?

Yeah the Emergencies Act is pretty expansive. Not martial law, not unlimited powers, but expansive. I'm pretty sure no one could have their bank accounts frozen just for tweeting support, you need to be transferring financial or material support for that to happen, but still...it's never been invoked before so who knows where this goes.

I'll agree Trudeau has looked weak, although municipal and especially provincial  governments have as well. Something like 75% of Canadians want the blockades and occupations ended decisively, by force if necessary, and all levels of government and law enforcement, including federal, have looked impotent to deliver that.

  Luckily he did say it will only be for a very short time, I bet no more than 2 weeks........

Zirunel

Quote from: oggsmash on February 15, 2022, 01:25:32 PM
Quote from: Zirunel on February 15, 2022, 01:17:14 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 15, 2022, 09:50:22 AM
Welp, Justin 'Fidel Jr.' Trudeau pulled the trigger and activated the Emergencies Act.

Not really a surprise, though. He was looking weaker by the minute. What's interesting is just how far reaching it is -- allowing banks to freeze any assets if your social media shows support for the protests, for example. So much for free speech in Canada, eh?

Yeah the Emergencies Act is pretty expansive. Not martial law, not unlimited powers, but expansive. I'm pretty sure no one could have their bank accounts frozen just for tweeting support, you need to be transferring financial or material support for that to happen, but still...it's never been invoked before so who knows where this goes.

I'll agree Trudeau has looked weak, although municipal and especially provincial  governments have as well. Something like 75% of Canadians want the blockades and occupations ended decisively, by force if necessary, and all levels of government and law enforcement, including federal, have looked impotent to deliver that.

  Luckily he did say it will only be for a very short time, I bet no more than 2 weeks........

It expires in 30 days.

Parliament already has to approve this within 7 days, which it looks like he has the votes for.

Parliament can also grant an extension, but I doubt he has the votes for that.

oggsmash

Quote from: Zirunel on February 15, 2022, 01:45:55 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on February 15, 2022, 01:25:32 PM
Quote from: Zirunel on February 15, 2022, 01:17:14 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 15, 2022, 09:50:22 AM
Welp, Justin 'Fidel Jr.' Trudeau pulled the trigger and activated the Emergencies Act.

Not really a surprise, though. He was looking weaker by the minute. What's interesting is just how far reaching it is -- allowing banks to freeze any assets if your social media shows support for the protests, for example. So much for free speech in Canada, eh?

Yeah the Emergencies Act is pretty expansive. Not martial law, not unlimited powers, but expansive. I'm pretty sure no one could have their bank accounts frozen just for tweeting support, you need to be transferring financial or material support for that to happen, but still...it's never been invoked before so who knows where this goes.

I'll agree Trudeau has looked weak, although municipal and especially provincial  governments have as well. Something like 75% of Canadians want the blockades and occupations ended decisively, by force if necessary, and all levels of government and law enforcement, including federal, have looked impotent to deliver that.

  Luckily he did say it will only be for a very short time, I bet no more than 2 weeks........

It expires in 30 days.

Parliament already has to approve this within 7 days, which it looks like he has the votes for.

Parliament can also grant an extension, but I doubt he has the votes for that.

  Nice to know Castro Jr has a limit on how long he can wield that power.

Kiero

Wales is the first in the UK to "offer" the jab to small children: https://www.gbnews.uk/news/wales-to-be-first-uk-country-to-offer-covid-vaccine-to-all-five-to-11-year-olds-minister-says/227016

Remember months ago when I said this was the direction of travel, and some of you muppets laughed?
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Zirunel

Quote from: Kiero on February 15, 2022, 02:23:15 PM
Wales is the first in the UK to "offer" the jab to small children: https://www.gbnews.uk/news/wales-to-be-first-uk-country-to-offer-covid-vaccine-to-all-five-to-11-year-olds-minister-says/227016

Remember months ago when I said this was the direction of travel, and some of you muppets laughed?

No. I don't remember that. Can you show us any posts from people laughing at your prediction?

Pat

One positive result of Trudeau using emergency powers to seize protestors' assets and lock them out of their bank accounts is that a number of leftists like Vaush and ShoeOnHead think it's going too far.

Of course, freezing someone's cash seems less an invasion than forcing people to inject something into their bodies or sending in the military to quash protesters, but consistency is the hobgoblin of little breadtubers. It's a comment on the world we live in that its refreshing to see even a half-assed and inconsistent example of someone standing on principle and not just reflexively supporting their tribe.

Zelen

Quote from: Zirunel on February 15, 2022, 01:17:14 PMSomething like 75% of Canadians want the blockades and occupations ended decisively, by force if necessary, and all levels of government and law enforcement, including federal, have looked impotent to deliver that.

This is a fake statistic. (And, lets be honest -- Most of these polls are intended to sway more than they are to report.)
The survey is done by Angus Reid. If you want to register your opinion on the Freedom protests, you must register an account on their website and then participate in the survey. There's no way this is a representative sample, simply by the nature of what is required to participate, and presenting it as such is actively misleading.

Zelen

Quote from: Ghostmaker on February 15, 2022, 09:50:22 AM
Welp, Justin 'Fidel Jr.' Trudeau pulled the trigger and activated the Emergencies Act.

Not really a surprise, though. He was looking weaker by the minute. What's interesting is just how far reaching it is -- allowing banks to freeze any assets if your social media shows support for the protests, for example. So much for free speech in Canada, eh?

What this means effectively is that any "protest" that doesn't result in people losing their bank accounts is actually a state-sanctioned action.

For example: Black Lives Matter & Antifa protests, or Church burnings in 2020 & 2021. We can now say with certainty that these were state-sanctioned actions. The tens of millions* of dollars in property damage, physical injuries, deaths, and denial of basic rights caused by these "protests" was actually at the behest of the government.

* I'm speaking only about Canada here, in the US the figure is easily billions or tens of billions.

Zirunel

#1316
Quote from: Zelen on February 15, 2022, 06:41:23 PM
Quote from: Zirunel on February 15, 2022, 01:17:14 PMSomething like 75% of Canadians want the blockades and occupations ended decisively, by force if necessary, and all levels of government and law enforcement, including federal, have looked impotent to deliver that.

This is a fake statistic. (And, lets be honest -- Most of these polls are intended to sway more than they are to report.)
The survey is done by Angus Reid. If you want to register your opinion on the Freedom protests, you must register an account on their website and then participate in the survey. There's no way this is a representative sample, simply by the nature of what is required to participate, and presenting it as such is actively misleading.

It's not a "fake" statistic exactly. Yes it's a poll result, yes it's Angus Reid, and like many pollsters nowadays they try to build a representative sample by selecting from a (very) large panel of volunteer respondents rather than cold-calling landlines. So yes, every respondent has chosen to register with Angus Reid. That doesn't necessarily mean it isn't representative. It may or may not be, as with a phone poll (Incidentally, respondents can only participate in a poll when they are invited, so you can't just join and immediately expect to participate in a particular poll you might feel strongly about).

Anywho, yes the Angus Reid poll is the most recent, but look at any other poll from the last two weeks...Leger, Ipsos, Maru... The precise numbers vary (and attitudes may shift over two weeks) , but clearly there is little support for these blockades and occupations.

Kiero

Quote from: Zirunel on February 15, 2022, 03:05:52 PM
No. I don't remember that. Can you show us any posts from people laughing at your prediction?

No, I'm not doing your research for you. You have access to the forum, off you pop, have a look.
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Our podcast site, In Sanity We Trust Productions.

Kiero

Peak clownworld: https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/19931641.covid-data-will-not-published-concerns-misrepresented-anti-vaxxers/

Scotland will no longer publish official statistics with the vaccination status of covid hospitalisations and deaths, because it's plain to anyone who looks at them that the jabs don't do a fucking thing.
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Our podcast site, In Sanity We Trust Productions.

Ratman_tf

Quote from: Kiero on February 18, 2022, 06:51:08 AM
Peak clownworld: https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/19931641.covid-data-will-not-published-concerns-misrepresented-anti-vaxxers/

Scotland will no longer publish official statistics with the vaccination status of covid hospitalisations and deaths, because it's plain to anyone who looks at them that the jabs don't do a fucking thing.

Those damn "anti-vaxxers!" They ruin everything by asking for evidence and information!
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