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Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

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GeekyBugle

Quote from: Shasarak on February 01, 2022, 10:28:30 PM
Quote from: RandyB on February 01, 2022, 10:03:16 PM
Quote from: Zelen on February 01, 2022, 06:17:53 PM
Lets not buy into the frame that we should just "live our lives" after these assholes spent 2 years waging psychological warfare, impoverishing people, assaulting them, and demanding people be injected with harmful substances.

Fuck them. Gallows.

If we see justice done for this in our lifetimes, it will make Nuremberg look like traffic court.

Where to I sign up for the popcorn concession?

I'll put $20 internet bucks down on No Justice.

I'll join you and raise it to $1,000 internet bucks that we'll never see this even aknowledged anywhere in the MSM, much less in any court.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

jhkim

Quote from: RandyB on February 01, 2022, 10:03:16 PM
If we see justice done for this in our lifetimes, it will make Nuremberg look like traffic court.

Where to I sign up for the popcorn concession?

What is it with comparing opponents to nazis? There was the John Battle video accusing Pundit of being a nazi, which Pundit responded by calling Battle a nazi, and now RandyB suggests today's crimes are vastly *worse* than nazis? I feel like it is a complete disconnect with history on both sides.

Both the mainstream and alternative media are hellbent on portraying everything as terrible because of the demonic other side, because outrage gets clicks and subscriptions. But the world is so much better now than in WWII. Yes, there are challenges - but democracy has spread, the Third Reich and Soviet Union have ended, wars are much reduced, and overall prosperity in the world has risen. There are plenty of challenges, but from knowing people who grew up in actual 20th century war, it seems like an impossible comparison to today.

GeekyBugle

Quote from: jhkim on February 02, 2022, 02:24:13 AM
Quote from: RandyB on February 01, 2022, 10:03:16 PM
If we see justice done for this in our lifetimes, it will make Nuremberg look like traffic court.

Where to I sign up for the popcorn concession?

What is it with comparing opponents to nazis? There was the John Battle video accusing Pundit of being a nazi, which Pundit responded by calling Battle a nazi, and now RandyB suggests today's crimes are vastly *worse* than nazis? I feel like it is a complete disconnect with history on both sides.

Both the mainstream and alternative media are hellbent on portraying everything as terrible because of the demonic other side, because outrage gets clicks and subscriptions. But the world is so much better now than in WWII. Yes, there are challenges - but democracy has spread, the Third Reich and Soviet Union have ended, wars are much reduced, and overall prosperity in the world has risen. There are plenty of challenges, but from knowing people who grew up in actual 20th century war, it seems like an impossible comparison to today.

Saying that legal repercutions to today's crimes against humanity would make Nuremberg look like traffic court, isn't calling anyone a nazi. It's recognizing that crimes against humanity were commited. But nice attempt at a strawman, might I suggest you someday try steelmanning your opponent's positions?
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Pat

Quote from: jhkim on February 02, 2022, 02:24:13 AM
Quote from: RandyB on February 01, 2022, 10:03:16 PM
If we see justice done for this in our lifetimes, it will make Nuremberg look like traffic court.

Where to I sign up for the popcorn concession?

What is it with comparing opponents to nazis?
After a decade where one side has been calling everyone Nazis nonstop with absolutely no justification whatsoever, you jump in and complain it's unjust to point out that the name callers are supporting policies that violate laws that were created in response to the horrors of the Nazi regime?

Ghostmaker

Quote from: jhkim on February 02, 2022, 02:24:13 AM
Quote from: RandyB on February 01, 2022, 10:03:16 PM
If we see justice done for this in our lifetimes, it will make Nuremberg look like traffic court.

Where to I sign up for the popcorn concession?

What is it with comparing opponents to nazis? There was the John Battle video accusing Pundit of being a nazi, which Pundit responded by calling Battle a nazi, and now RandyB suggests today's crimes are vastly *worse* than nazis? I feel like it is a complete disconnect with history on both sides.

Both the mainstream and alternative media are hellbent on portraying everything as terrible because of the demonic other side, because outrage gets clicks and subscriptions. But the world is so much better now than in WWII. Yes, there are challenges - but democracy has spread, the Third Reich and Soviet Union have ended, wars are much reduced, and overall prosperity in the world has risen. There are plenty of challenges, but from knowing people who grew up in actual 20th century war, it seems like an impossible comparison to today.
Suck it up. That's been the rhetoric for a while.

Some of us have memories longer than goldfish, after all.

"They were so busy calling Bush Hitler, and Cheney Hitler, and Rumsfeld Hitler, that they completely missed the guy feeding people into a wood chipper."

Trond

The link below is Canadian news bullshit (pardon my French-Canadian). It IS about the truckers. Any researcher worth his salt who looked into SARS-CoV-2 knew this a long time ago. I certainly did, and I'm not a specialist in virology. For starters, you can't eliminate a disease that is this transmissible and so easily jumps from animals to humans. Are we supposed to pretend that this is new info, and that it's not really about politicians sensing that the tide of public opinion is turning?

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/canada/health-officials-are-hinting-at-ending-covid-restrictions-and-its-not-because-of-the-truckers/wcm/6c5fd757-f643-400a-a8d9-0259b6dc2cd6

oggsmash

  The nazi thing is a product of 80 years of constant yammer about what was painted as the worst political movement in history.  Mathematically, it probably was not, horrible to be sure, but its commie counterparts got no where near the press or push the nazis got in print, film, tv, news shows, documentaries, etc for years and years and years.  Boomers especially seem really into how terrible nazis and neo nazi are/were.   Shitloads of 80's movies and tv shows are constantly banging on and on about the ideology and how evil and horrible it is/was.  Strangely no concern about the commies infiltrating most major institutions around that time and a bit before, but anyway, Nazis are painted as the absolute worst thing a person can be by media for a loooong time.   So of course it ends up being a common insult/name to call someone for generation X people (Boomers hammered constantly about nazis to gen X) to really get under their skin.

  I think the later generations, M and Z just toss it out like you might call someone a goof, with no real underlying understanding that Nazis were in fact horrible (though they got a whole bunch of extra hype while other movements were ignored, they were horrible) and what they are implying about someone.  I do have some worries that in a couple more generations kids are going to try to look "edgy" and start sporting Hugo Boss uniforms due to the ease of using the name as an insult for Gen X, and the complete disregard for what they are saying by later generations and using it as a casual insult.

Ghostmaker

I love the reports that the Canadian government is calling tow-truck companies to haul off the trucks... and the companies are saying, 'Sorry, can't get out there due to Covid. Moose outside shoulda told ya.'

KingCheops

Quote from: Trond on February 02, 2022, 10:23:55 AM
The link below is Canadian news bullshit (pardon my French-Canadian). It IS about the truckers. Any researcher worth his salt who looked into SARS-CoV-2 knew this a long time ago. I certainly did, and I'm not a specialist in virology. For starters, you can't eliminate a disease that is this transmissible and so easily jumps from animals to humans. Are we supposed to pretend that this is new info, and that it's not really about politicians sensing that the tide of public opinion is turning?

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/canada/health-officials-are-hinting-at-ending-covid-restrictions-and-its-not-because-of-the-truckers/wcm/6c5fd757-f643-400a-a8d9-0259b6dc2cd6

Angus Reid polling (that's our premiere polling up here that the government uses) shows an 11% increase in the last two weeks of people saying we should get rid of all mandates.  We now sit at 54% against mandates.  That coincides with the start of the trucker stuff.  What it did is showed all the atomized individuals that there's loads of people like them out there and they can speak up.  At the very least the truckers have now made it okay to discuss resistance to the fascists.

SHARK

Quote from: Zelen on February 01, 2022, 06:17:53 PM
Lets not buy into the frame that we should just "live our lives" after these assholes spent 2 years waging psychological warfare, impoverishing people, assaulting them, and demanding people be injected with harmful substances.

Fuck them. Gallows.

Greetings!

Exactly, Zelen! Let these fuckers *swing*. They all deserve to dance for the evil they have supported, promoted, and enforced on people.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

moonsweeper

Quote from: jhkim on February 02, 2022, 02:24:13 AM
Quote from: RandyB on February 01, 2022, 10:03:16 PM
If we see justice done for this in our lifetimes, it will make Nuremberg look like traffic court.

Where to I sign up for the popcorn concession?

What is it with comparing opponents to nazis? There was the John Battle video accusing Pundit of being a nazi, which Pundit responded by calling Battle a nazi, and now RandyB suggests today's crimes are vastly *worse* than nazis? I feel like it is a complete disconnect with history on both sides.

Both the mainstream and alternative media are hellbent on portraying everything as terrible because of the demonic other side, because outrage gets clicks and subscriptions. But the world is so much better now than in WWII. Yes, there are challenges - but democracy has spread, the Third Reich and Soviet Union have ended, wars are much reduced, and overall prosperity in the world has risen. There are plenty of challenges, but from knowing people who grew up in actual 20th century war, it seems like an impossible comparison to today.

Considering the violations of the Nuremberg Code that is actually the best comparison...
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Timothe

Today's Antifa are like Munich Brownshirts, except they're not combat veterans and they live in their parents' basements.

jhkim

Quote from: oggsmash on February 02, 2022, 10:48:58 AM
The nazi thing is a product of 80 years of constant yammer about what was painted as the worst political movement in history.
Quote from: oggsmash on February 02, 2022, 10:48:58 AM
I think the later generations, M and Z just toss it out like you might call someone a goof, with no real underlying understanding that Nazis were in fact horrible (though they got a whole bunch of extra hype while other movements were ignored, they were horrible) and what they are implying about someone.  I do have some worries that in a couple more generations kids are going to try to look "edgy" and start sporting Hugo Boss uniforms due to the ease of using the name as an insult for Gen X, and the complete disregard for what they are saying by later generations and using it as a casual insult.

Yes, I am well aware nazi name-calling is not a new thing - but sometimes I get overwhelmed by how ridiculous it is. One thing I picture is telling a Holocaust survivor "Well, you went through some bad stuff - but _I_ had to live through (X)" - when that's anything in the last few years in the U.S.

There have been plenty of injustices - but I think it should be plain that we are not in the midst of anything like the Holocaust or WWII.


Pat

Quote from: jhkim on February 02, 2022, 05:40:09 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on February 02, 2022, 10:48:58 AM
The nazi thing is a product of 80 years of constant yammer about what was painted as the worst political movement in history.
Quote from: oggsmash on February 02, 2022, 10:48:58 AM
I think the later generations, M and Z just toss it out like you might call someone a goof, with no real underlying understanding that Nazis were in fact horrible (though they got a whole bunch of extra hype while other movements were ignored, they were horrible) and what they are implying about someone.  I do have some worries that in a couple more generations kids are going to try to look "edgy" and start sporting Hugo Boss uniforms due to the ease of using the name as an insult for Gen X, and the complete disregard for what they are saying by later generations and using it as a casual insult.

Yes, I am well aware nazi name-calling is not a new thing - but sometimes I get overwhelmed by how ridiculous it is. One thing I picture is telling a Holocaust survivor "Well, you went through some bad stuff - but _I_ had to live through (X)" - when that's anything in the last few years in the U.S.

There have been plenty of injustices - but I think it should be plain that we are not in the midst of anything like the Holocaust or WWII.
You're correct. It's more like the mid-1930s, and we're learning who among us would have been Nazi apologists.

oggsmash

#1214
Quote from: jhkim on February 02, 2022, 05:40:09 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on February 02, 2022, 10:48:58 AM
The nazi thing is a product of 80 years of constant yammer about what was painted as the worst political movement in history.
Quote from: oggsmash on February 02, 2022, 10:48:58 AM
I think the later generations, M and Z just toss it out like you might call someone a goof, with no real underlying understanding that Nazis were in fact horrible (though they got a whole bunch of extra hype while other movements were ignored, they were horrible) and what they are implying about someone.  I do have some worries that in a couple more generations kids are going to try to look "edgy" and start sporting Hugo Boss uniforms due to the ease of using the name as an insult for Gen X, and the complete disregard for what they are saying by later generations and using it as a casual insult.

Yes, I am well aware nazi name-calling is not a new thing - but sometimes I get overwhelmed by how ridiculous it is. One thing I picture is telling a Holocaust survivor "Well, you went through some bad stuff - but _I_ had to live through (X)" - when that's anything in the last few years in the U.S.

There have been plenty of injustices - but I think it should be plain that we are not in the midst of anything like the Holocaust or WWII.

  Of course we are not in the midst of it.  However, even the ADL now redefines racism to be something only white people can do, there is a constant and long tirade on mass media about how terrible white people are, there are laws to limit how many white people get into college or hired for certain positions, on and on. 

    So...being a student of history, and understanding how tenuous the financial situation is in the USA, and watching a massive troop build up on a nation adjacent to Russia....I think what we can say, is we do certainly have some elements from before WW2 that could play out to end horribly.

  Edited to add: I consider, and I suspect a sizable portion of the population in the USA does as well, the USA government to be a BIGGER enemy and problem for me than the Russian Federation.  AS such, there is NO WAY I will support in ANY way military action there, at all.