Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[dkabq]

Depends. That person that didn't get vaxxed takes up an ICU bed that another patient could use. And I still don't get the resistance to the covid vaccines. Most of the people not getting it dod get the mmr and polio for example.

And a person that doesn't control their diabetes can take up an ICU bed that another patient could use. They certainly take bed space at the rehab hospital my wife works at.

Because I don't like to be told what to do. And I want to make my own risk decisions. If I was 10+ years older than I am now and had a plethora of co-morbidities, I would be getting jabbed seven ways to Sunday. If I was 17 years old with no co-morbidities I would absolutely not take a vaccine that has no long term testing, for a virus that is less likely to kill me my chance of dying in a car accident.

That said, I respect your right to make the decision that you believe is best for you.

[Pat]

Depends. That person that didn't get vaxxed takes up an ICU bed that another patient could use. And I still don't get the resistance to the covid vaccines. Most of the people not getting it dod get the mmr and polio for example.

And a person that doesn't control the diabetes can take up an ICU bed that another patient could use. The certainly take bed space at the rehab hospital my wife works at.

And they're using up other healthcare resources, by needing more and more expensive care for gangrene, amputations, insulin jabs, and so on. And those are resources we could be using to fix poverty, cure cancer, give healthcare to everyone, prevent children from watching too many violent videos games, suppressing nuclear power in favor of throwing lots of money at wind and solar, and all those wonderful things that the public wants and the government would be sure to give them, if only they had more money. So we must vigorously enforce rules to prevent those diabeetus fatties from being fat and having diabetes, even if we have to imprison them for their unhealthy lifestyles, because they're actively and intentionally hurting all the other people we could be helping!

[HappyDaze]

Depends. That person that didn't get vaxxed takes up an ICU bed that another patient could use. And I still don't get the resistance to the covid vaccines. Most of the people not getting it dod get the mmr and polio for example.

And a person that doesn't control the diabetes can take up an ICU bed that another patient could use. The certainly take bed space at the rehab hospital my wife works at.

Ooh! Can we do another parallel here? Are they in the ICU for diabetes or with diabetes? Is it the bloodsugar levels killing them or the concurrent electrolyte imbalances (or delayed wound healing or...)? How many comorbidities do most diabetic patients have (and yes, a great many of them are chronic,  lifestyle disorders).

[dkabq]

Depends. That person that didn't get vaxxed takes up an ICU bed that another patient could use. And I still don't get the resistance to the covid vaccines. Most of the people not getting it dod get the mmr and polio for example.

And a person that doesn't control the diabetes can take up an ICU bed that another patient could use. The certainly take bed space at the rehab hospital my wife works at.

Ooh! Can we do another parallel here? Are they in the ICU for diabetes or with diabetes? Is the bloodsugar levels killing them or the concurrent electrolyte imbalances (or delayed wound healing or...)? How many comorbidities to most diabetic patients have (and yes, a great many of them are chronic,  lifestyle disorders).

That's actually an interesting question. I imagine that the answer is a little of column A and a little of column B, depending on the mechanistic correlation between the proximate cause of death and any co-morbidities.

For example, I die as a passenger in a car accident and test positive for covid postmortem, I would count that as a non-covid death, just like if I had diabetes and die as a passenger in a car accident, I would count that as a non-diabetes death. Or let's say that I die of a heart attack and showed no covid symptoms but tested positive for covid postmortem, I could count that as a non-covid death. Conversely, if I was having severe covid symptoms, had a heart condition, and had a heart attack, I could see including covid as a contributor to my death along with the underlying heart condition.

[Eirikrautha]

Depends. That person that didn't get vaxxed takes up an ICU bed that another patient could use.

And a specialist or maybe a whole ward that should be devoted to something else (like Gynaecology or Oncology). Nothing beats to see some specialist for your non-Covid problem at 9PM with them deadly tired.

You clearly have no idea how hospitals work.  A obgyn doesn't get "pulled" to work in a covid ward.  In fact, if the hospital doesn't have room for the specialist's patients, they just lay off the specialist (it happened all through the lockdown phase of the pandemic last year).  So your obgyn isn't going to be tired from treating Covid patients; in fact they'll be very well rested, since they haven't been working at all.

Your ignorant weaseling doesn't change the facts:  the covid vaccine doesn't stop covid transfer.  So, no matter how many people get jabbed, the same number will catch covid as if everyone had never gotten jabbed.  And US hospitals have more than enough beds (except in isolated areas where medical professional firings due to mandates, public panic due to testing requirements and business mandates, and poor and illegals flooding the ERs have impacted the number), so someone else not being vaccinated doesn't affect me at at (it may be different in your third-world medical system, but that's on you...).

[Reckall]

Depends. That person that didn't get vaxxed takes up an ICU bed that another patient could use.

And a specialist or maybe a whole ward that should be devoted to something else (like Gynaecology or Oncology). Nothing beats to see some specialist for your non-Covid problem at 9PM with them deadly tired.

What I wonder, however, is how people would react if diabetes or not keeping in shape were transmissible conditions. You watch what you eat, you go to the gym, you strive to keep a healthy lifestyle - only for some idiot who doesn't and plays online all day long to go around spreading diabetes. You wake up one morning needing insulin for the rest of your life and 100 lbs. overweight thanks to that idiot. But all is fine because "his body his choice", right?

Personally, no, I don't think that the other dude would survive the mob. But diabetes and unhealthy lifestyles aren't transmissible, as Covid is, so we will never know...

That's just a lovely attempt to rationalize totalitarianism. I know what side you'd be on in the 1930s.

No problem: I can as easily imagine what disease you would help to transmit in 1919

[dkabq]

Depends. That person that didn't get vaxxed takes up an ICU bed that another patient could use.

And a specialist or maybe a whole ward that should be devoted to something else (like Gynaecology or Oncology). Nothing beats to see some specialist for your non-Covid problem at 9PM with them deadly tired.

What I wonder, however, is how people would react if diabetes or not keeping in shape were transmissible conditions. You watch what you eat, you go to the gym, you strive to keep a healthy lifestyle - only for some idiot who doesn't and plays online all day long to go around spreading diabetes. You wake up one morning needing insulin for the rest of your life and 100 lbs. overweight thanks to that idiot. But all is fine because "his body his choice", right?

Personally, no, I don't think that the other dude would survive the mob. But diabetes and unhealthy lifestyles aren't transmissible, as Covid is, so we will never know...

That's just a lovely attempt to rationalize totalitarianism. I know what side you'd be on in the 1930s.

No problem: I can as easily imagine what disease you would help to transmit in 1919

We would have all been (potentially) transmitting the Spanish Flu in 1919. Just like we are all now (potentially) transmitting covid.

And just in case you didn't hear it the first time, none of the covid vaccines stop you from getting covid or transmitting covid. If they did, then your example would be valid.

[3catcircus]

Depends. That person that didn't get vaxxed takes up an ICU bed that another patient could use.

And a specialist or maybe a whole ward that should be devoted to something else (like Gynaecology or Oncology). Nothing beats to see some specialist for your non-Covid problem at 9PM with them deadly tired.

What I wonder, however, is how people would react if diabetes or not keeping in shape were transmissible conditions. You watch what you eat, you go to the gym, you strive to keep a healthy lifestyle - only for some idiot who doesn't and plays online all day long to go around spreading diabetes. You wake up one morning needing insulin for the rest of your life and 100 lbs. overweight thanks to that idiot. But all is fine because "his body his choice", right?

Personally, no, I don't think that the other dude would survive the mob. But diabetes and unhealthy lifestyles aren't transmissible, as Covid is, so we will never know...

That's just a lovely attempt to rationalize totalitarianism. I know what side you'd be on in the 1930s.

No problem: I can as easily imagine what disease you would help to transmit in 1919

We would have all been (potentially) transmitting the Spanish Flu in 1919. Just like we are all now (potentially) transmitting covid.

And just in case you didn't hear it the first time, none of the covid vaccines stop you from getting covid or transmitting covid. If they did, then your example would be valid.

What I don't get is the cognitive dissonance of those who demand someone else get vaccinated to protect them.  If *you're* vaccinated because you believe the jab works, then why do you care if someone else isn't vaccinated?  They'll be risking their own lives, not your's...  Or is your insistence that they get vaccinated due to you recognizing that the vaccine doesn't prevent infection and transmission? If so, then why would you take something that isn't helping you? And why would you demand someone else take something that isn't helping?

Of course, if they simply admitted that the jabs are pretreatment that reduces duration and severity, similarly to how tamiflu reduces duration and severity of flu, then perhaps there would be less misinformation and less rancor.  But the problem is that they will never be able to keep up with the rate of mutation.  Instead of thinking they're so smart, which did nothing but prolong the amount of time it will take before all the people who would have gotten covid get it, they should have simply protected the vulnerable and allowed COVID to run roughshod.  Instead of a wide but lower peak, we'd have had a sharp short peak (area under the curve is the same for both) and made it endemic quickly.  What they don't understand is that every other coronavirus (and rhinovirus, and adenovirus, and enterovirus) starts out deadly.  There are theories that the 1889 Russian Flu was actually coronavirus OC 43. It now causes the common cold, but still causes severe lower respiratory infection and pneumonia in the immunocompromised, infants and older people. Rhinovirus can also kill.  Of course this assumes SARS-CoV-2 wasn't engineered...

[Shasarak]

Depends. That person that didn't get vaxxed takes up an ICU bed that another patient could use. And I still don't get the resistance to the covid vaccines. Most of the people not getting it dod get the mmr and polio for example.

And a person that doesn't control the diabetes can take up an ICU bed that another patient could use. The certainly take bed space at the rehab hospital my wife works at.

Ooh! Can we do another parallel here? Are they in the ICU for diabetes or with diabetes? Is it the bloodsugar levels killing them or the concurrent electrolyte imbalances (or delayed wound healing or...)? How many comorbidities do most diabetic patients have (and yes, a great many of them are chronic,  lifestyle disorders).

Imagine if people found out who wastes the majority of healthcare money just trying to stave off certain death for another 3 to 6 months.

[Pat]

Depends. That person that didn't get vaxxed takes up an ICU bed that another patient could use.

And a specialist or maybe a whole ward that should be devoted to something else (like Gynaecology or Oncology). Nothing beats to see some specialist for your non-Covid problem at 9PM with them deadly tired.

What I wonder, however, is how people would react if diabetes or not keeping in shape were transmissible conditions. You watch what you eat, you go to the gym, you strive to keep a healthy lifestyle - only for some idiot who doesn't and plays online all day long to go around spreading diabetes. You wake up one morning needing insulin for the rest of your life and 100 lbs. overweight thanks to that idiot. But all is fine because "his body his choice", right?

Personally, no, I don't think that the other dude would survive the mob. But diabetes and unhealthy lifestyles aren't transmissible, as Covid is, so we will never know...

That's just a lovely attempt to rationalize totalitarianism. I know what side you'd be on in the 1930s.

No problem: I can as easily imagine what disease you would help to transmit in 1919

You clearly know what the word Mengele means. But do you know what the word "endemic" means?

[Pat]

What I don't get is the cognitive dissonance of those who demand someone else get vaccinated to protect them. 

Fear.

If *you're* vaccinated because you believe the jab works, then why do you care if someone else isn't vaccinated?

Fear.

They'll be risking their own lives, not your's...  Or is your insistence that they get vaccinated due to you recognizing that the vaccine doesn't prevent infection and transmission? If so, then why would you take something that isn't helping you?

Fear.

And why would you demand someone else take something that isn't helping?

Fear.

Of course this assumes SARS-CoV-2 wasn't engineered...

Conspiracy theory!

[Ratman_tf]

Depends. That person that didn't get vaxxed takes up an ICU bed that another patient could use. And I still don't get the resistance to the covid vaccines. Most of the people not getting it dod get the mmr and polio for example.

Those vaccinations have been around for decades, and their side effects are relatively well understood.

The Covid vaccinations are barely one year old, and were rushed out the door with emergency use protections against government and corporate liability.
That's just for starters. The way the media, the governments, the pharmecutical companies, and the general pubic have acted about the vaccines have convinced me that it's better to stay unvaccinated.

[Kiero]

People, Kiero just admitted that he had Covid while posting on this very thread (which may explain some of his erratic "thinking"). Don't panic, scan your computers for viruses, don't use them for seven days and warn posters on other forums you frequent!

I've told you many times I've had covid and it's a nothingburger. I haven't been hiding at home avoiding human contact the last two years. I'm exposed to people all the time.

You know where another level of faith is staggering? Among no-vaxxers who, once they find themselves (or a relative) with a ventilator up in the ass, immediately ask for prayers. Usually these appeals go to "Prayer Warriors" (which would be a great Prestige Class for D&D, admittedly). People who derided the idea that vaccines could have been developed in one year are now the first in line to ask God for "a miracle". These stories almost inevitably end up with the Covided person "being now one with God", or Jesus, or the angels (thus bringing Covid up there to more unvaxxed, I guess, since no no-vaxxer would have faith in pro-vaxxers).

Yup, faith is a bitch.

You mean the fake stories the MSM pushes every time jab takeup falls?

Funny in all this time I still haven't had a single family member, not even the unhealthy ones, hospitalised "with" covid. Never mind died.

I'm still pissed I hadn't gotten my mutant powers yet.

You should be rather more concerned about clotting and cardiovascular related issues. Along with your sterilising immune system being utterly fucked.

Depends. That person that didn't get vaxxed takes up an ICU bed that another patient could use. And I still don't get the resistance to the covid vaccines. Most of the people not getting it dod get the mmr and polio for example.

What about that person who didn't bother to manage their diet and activity appropriately, taking up an ICU bed because their body was so battered by inflammation that they couldn't resist an infection healthy people shrug off? Or the person who smoked and destroyed their lungs and now requires medical attention? Can you not see where that line of reasoning takes you?

Spoiler alert on your future, should the US reach the level of vaccination of the UK, Israel, et al: "vaccination" makes fuck all difference to hospitalisation and death.

In the UK over 60% of people hosplitalised with covid are double- or triple-jabbed. Over 80% of people dying with covid are double- or triple-jabbed.

You don't get the resistance because you're clearly an imbecile who never even bothered researching what you were being injected with. Otherwise you might understand that mRNA technology is nothing like a deactivated, attenuated pathogen. The fact that you keep conflating actual vaccines with these jabs merely highlights your ignorance.

[Ghostmaker]

Reckall's posts have a non-zero chance of giving us all cancer at this rate.

[HappyDaze]

Reckall's posts have a non-zero chance of giving us all cancer at this rate.

So is that from his posts or just with his posts?