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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #630 on: September 14, 2021, 07:57:54 PM »
In addition to illegal immigrants, what's another group that's exempt from Biden's fascistvaccine mandate?

Members of Congress and their staff.

https://www.newsweek.com/members-congress-staff-exempt-biden-covid-vaccine-mandate-1627859

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #631 on: September 14, 2021, 08:02:12 PM »
In addition to illegal immigrants, what's another group that's exempt from Biden's fascistvaccine mandate?

Members of Congress and their staff.

https://www.newsweek.com/members-congress-staff-exempt-biden-covid-vaccine-mandate-1627859

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #632 on: September 14, 2021, 08:15:20 PM »
In addition to illegal immigrants, what's another group that's exempt from Biden's fascistvaccine mandate?

Members of Congress and their staff.

https://www.newsweek.com/members-congress-staff-exempt-biden-covid-vaccine-mandate-1627859

The Executive branch can not dictate to the Legislative or Judicial branches unless Biden wants to poke the Supreme Court out of its slumber.
Overriding the Supreme Court's decision on the rent moratorium should have done that already.

Plenty of laws apply to Congress, including those that judgment call by the executive branch.

This feels more like a favor.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #633 on: September 14, 2021, 08:27:55 PM »
In addition to illegal immigrants, what's another group that's exempt from Biden's fascistvaccine mandate?

Members of Congress and their staff.

https://www.newsweek.com/members-congress-staff-exempt-biden-covid-vaccine-mandate-1627859

The Executive branch can not dictate to the Legislative or Judicial branches unless Biden wants to poke the Supreme Court out of its slumber.
Overriding the Supreme Court's decision on the rent moratorium should have done that already.

Plenty of laws apply to Congress, including those that judgment call by the executive branch.

This feels more like a favor.

The Rent moratorium does not explicitly target the Supreme Court
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #634 on: September 14, 2021, 08:29:22 PM »
In addition to illegal immigrants, what's another group that's exempt from Biden's fascistvaccine mandate?

Members of Congress and their staff.

https://www.newsweek.com/members-congress-staff-exempt-biden-covid-vaccine-mandate-1627859

The Executive branch can not dictate to the Legislative or Judicial branches unless Biden wants to poke the Supreme Court out of its slumber.
Overriding the Supreme Court's decision on the rent moratorium should have done that already.

Plenty of laws apply to Congress, including those that judgment call by the executive branch.

This feels more like a favor.

The Rent moratorium does not explicitly target the Supreme Court
It explicitly targets their authority. Biden just ignored and overrode one of their rulings.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #635 on: September 14, 2021, 08:32:00 PM »
Back before the ACLU turned against liberty:
https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/privacy/pemic_report.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1BSdVmEdg7mQSToww5aosRLGrufJKUDpuWP3_Q_gUnjPCE18iBJBE2aBM

Quote from: Pandemic Preparedness (2008)
Conflating Public Health with National Security and Law Enforcement

Rather than focusing on well-established measures for protecting the lives and health of Americans, policymakers have recently embraced an approach that views public health policy through the prism of national security and law enforcement.  This model assumes that we must “trade liberty for security.”  As a result, instead of helping individuals and communities through education and provision of health care, today’s pandemic prevention focuses on taking aggressive, coercive actions against those who are sick.  People, rather than the disease, become the enemy.

Lessons from History

American history contains vivid reminders that grafting the values of law enforcement and national security onto public health is both ineffective and dangerous.  Too often, fears aroused by disease and epidemics have justified abuses of state power. Highly discriminatory and forcible vaccination and quarantine measures adopted in response to outbreaks of the plague and smallpox over the past century have consistently accelerated rather than slowed the spread of disease, while fomenting public distrust and, in some cases, riots.

The lessons from history should be kept in mind whenever we are told by government officials that “tough,” liberty-limiting actions are needed to protect us from dangerous diseases.  Specifically:
• Coercion and brute force are rarely necessary.  In fact they are generally counterproductive—they gratuitously breed public distrust and encourage the people who are most in need of care to evade public health authorities.
• On the other hand, effective, preventive strategies that rely on voluntary participation do work.  Simply put, people do not want to contract smallpox, influenza or other dangerous diseases.  They want positive government help in avoiding and treating disease.  As long as public officials are working to help people rather than to punish them, people are likely to engage willingly in any and all efforts to keep their families and communities healthy.
• Minorities and other socially disadvantaged populations tend to bear the brunt of tough public health measures. 

What's ironic is what they were protesting falls short of what's already happened.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #636 on: September 14, 2021, 09:11:24 PM »
Just take the needle, let me know how it goes.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #637 on: September 14, 2021, 09:26:05 PM »
In addition to illegal immigrants, what's another group that's exempt from Biden's fascistvaccine mandate?

Members of Congress and their staff.

https://www.newsweek.com/members-congress-staff-exempt-biden-covid-vaccine-mandate-1627859

The Executive branch can not dictate to the Legislative or Judicial branches unless Biden wants to poke the Supreme Court out of its slumber.
Overriding the Supreme Court's decision on the rent moratorium should have done that already.

Plenty of laws apply to Congress, including those that judgment call by the executive branch.

This feels more like a favor.

The Rent moratorium does not explicitly target the Supreme Court
It explicitly targets their authority. Biden just ignored and overrode one of their rulings.

But it does not specifically tell them that they need to get all of the staff vaccinated and or tested weekly or face being fined by what ever your work and safety organisation is.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #638 on: September 14, 2021, 10:13:40 PM »
In addition to illegal immigrants, what's another group that's exempt from Biden's fascistvaccine mandate?

Members of Congress and their staff.

https://www.newsweek.com/members-congress-staff-exempt-biden-covid-vaccine-mandate-1627859

The Executive branch can not dictate to the Legislative or Judicial branches unless Biden wants to poke the Supreme Court out of its slumber.
Overriding the Supreme Court's decision on the rent moratorium should have done that already.

Plenty of laws apply to Congress, including those that judgment call by the executive branch.

This feels more like a favor.

The Rent moratorium does not explicitly target the Supreme Court
It explicitly targets their authority. Biden just ignored and overrode one of their rulings.

But it does not specifically tell them that they need to get all of the staff vaccinated and or tested weekly or face being fined by what ever your work and safety organisation is.
I think directly flouting the only real power they have is a lot more of a threat to the Supreme Court than requiring them to abide by work standards that are being applied universally across the entire country.

And the the idea that people just assume they should be exempt deeply troubles me, because it shows how deep the belief that a different set of rules should apply to the ruling class runs.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #639 on: September 14, 2021, 11:11:23 PM »
In addition to illegal immigrants, what's another group that's exempt from Biden's fascistvaccine mandate?

Members of Congress and their staff.

https://www.newsweek.com/members-congress-staff-exempt-biden-covid-vaccine-mandate-1627859

The Executive branch can not dictate to the Legislative or Judicial branches unless Biden wants to poke the Supreme Court out of its slumber.
Overriding the Supreme Court's decision on the rent moratorium should have done that already.

Plenty of laws apply to Congress, including those that judgment call by the executive branch.

This feels more like a favor.

The Rent moratorium does not explicitly target the Supreme Court
It explicitly targets their authority. Biden just ignored and overrode one of their rulings.

But it does not specifically tell them that they need to get all of the staff vaccinated and or tested weekly or face being fined by what ever your work and safety organisation is.
I think directly flouting the only real power they have is a lot more of a threat to the Supreme Court than requiring them to abide by work standards that are being applied universally across the entire country.

You mean universally except for the people not required to abide by the universal work standards applied to companies of more then 100 people?

Thats not really universal is it.

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And the the idea that people just assume they should be exempt deeply troubles me, because it shows how deep the belief that a different set of rules should apply to the ruling class runs.

I dont think that people assume that they should be exempt because they are a "ruling class", rather that they remember the checks and balances built in to your system.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #640 on: September 14, 2021, 11:16:10 PM »
I think directly flouting the only real power they have is a lot more of a threat to the Supreme Court than requiring them to abide by work standards that are being applied universally across the entire country.

You mean universally except for the people not required to abide by the universal work standards applied to companies of more then 100 people?

Thats not really universal is it.

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And the the idea that people just assume they should be exempt deeply troubles me, because it shows how deep the belief that a different set of rules should apply to the ruling class runs.

I dont think that people assume that they should be exempt because they are a "ruling class", rather that they remember the checks and balances built in to your system.
Does Congress have more than 100 people?

The 100+ rule is universal, except for....

It's not checks and balances. It's the assumption that the rules shouldn't apply to Congress. This isn't comparable to the protection from prosecution for anything Congressdemons say on the floor, which is at least justifiable.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #641 on: September 14, 2021, 11:27:26 PM »
Like I said before:

So much for 'my body, my choice'.

Nobody is forcing you to make that choice.

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Ouch. I'd forgotten about that exchange.

Well done, sir.

Is anyone forcing him to make that choice?
I would say your lord and savior, Sleepy Joe, is taking a crack at it.

(Ironically, I'm already vaccinated.)

But hey, keep talking. Maybe you'll say something to make up for all the other stupid shit you've said.

So...do you work somewhere covered by the order and was testing not an option for some reason?
If you can't see what a colossal overreach this is, I can't help you.

But I think you do see it, and you like it.

I do think it's both an overreach and mistake. And yet, I m asking about whether it even applied and if testing was an option.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #642 on: September 14, 2021, 11:42:19 PM »
I think directly flouting the only real power they have is a lot more of a threat to the Supreme Court than requiring them to abide by work standards that are being applied universally across the entire country.

You mean universally except for the people not required to abide by the universal work standards applied to companies of more then 100 people?

Thats not really universal is it.

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And the the idea that people just assume they should be exempt deeply troubles me, because it shows how deep the belief that a different set of rules should apply to the ruling class runs.

I dont think that people assume that they should be exempt because they are a "ruling class", rather that they remember the checks and balances built in to your system.
Does Congress have more than 100 people?

The 100+ rule is universal, except for....

It's not checks and balances. It's the assumption that the rules shouldn't apply to Congress. This isn't comparable to the protection from prosecution for anything Congressdemons say on the floor, which is at least justifiable.

I didnt realise that Congress was the only business in the universe of the US of A.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #643 on: September 15, 2021, 04:57:55 AM »
Back before the ACLU turned against liberty:
https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/privacy/pemic_report.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1BSdVmEdg7mQSToww5aosRLGrufJKUDpuWP3_Q_gUnjPCE18iBJBE2aBM

Quote from: Pandemic Preparedness (2008)
Conflating Public Health with National Security and Law Enforcement

Rather than focusing on well-established measures for protecting the lives and health of Americans, policymakers have recently embraced an approach that views public health policy through the prism of national security and law enforcement.  This model assumes that we must “trade liberty for security.”  As a result, instead of helping individuals and communities through education and provision of health care, today’s pandemic prevention focuses on taking aggressive, coercive actions against those who are sick.  People, rather than the disease, become the enemy.

Lessons from History

American history contains vivid reminders that grafting the values of law enforcement and national security onto public health is both ineffective and dangerous.  Too often, fears aroused by disease and epidemics have justified abuses of state power. Highly discriminatory and forcible vaccination and quarantine measures adopted in response to outbreaks of the plague and smallpox over the past century have consistently accelerated rather than slowed the spread of disease, while fomenting public distrust and, in some cases, riots.

The lessons from history should be kept in mind whenever we are told by government officials that “tough,” liberty-limiting actions are needed to protect us from dangerous diseases.  Specifically:
• Coercion and brute force are rarely necessary.  In fact they are generally counterproductive—they gratuitously breed public distrust and encourage the people who are most in need of care to evade public health authorities.
• On the other hand, effective, preventive strategies that rely on voluntary participation do work.  Simply put, people do not want to contract smallpox, influenza or other dangerous diseases.  They want positive government help in avoiding and treating disease.  As long as public officials are working to help people rather than to punish them, people are likely to engage willingly in any and all efforts to keep their families and communities healthy.
• Minorities and other socially disadvantaged populations tend to bear the brunt of tough public health measures. 

What's ironic is what they were protesting falls short of what's already happened.

I'm surprised they haven't scrubbed that document yet.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #644 on: September 15, 2021, 06:55:53 AM »
Just take the needle, let me know how it goes.

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